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Thread for discussing the works of Lewis Carroll, his photography, his stories, his novels, and his obsession with children.
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>>24717980
>'When I use a word,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less .... The question is .... which is to be master—that's all.'
What word is the master of them all? Was Humpty Dumpty speaking of a symbolic order,of the Big Other?

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Our time has come, schoppybros.
/lit/ is now a full Schopenhauer board. Only today I read a bunch of schoppy threads. Great!
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>>24717810
Guys I cant tell who or what youre responding to or criticizing. As an open minded anon who is a fan of Schopenhauer based on reading of his essays, the linked post was my post, trying to wrestle with the criticism of the post I was replying to criticizing Schopenhauer's understanding of Kant (which I dont even think in principle is necessarily ridiculous, but the anon contexualizing and reminding how Kant is a response to Hume and that not incorporating certain tenets of Kant leaves you open to the criticisms Hume posited that Kant was trying to escape from)
So what are you guys responding to specifically?
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>>24717837
>Schopenhauer based on reading of his essays,
Read "On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient Reason" and then his main work until then you haven't read.
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>>24717838
Im currently reading something else I just browse these threads and this board to learn new concepts through osmosis to develop interest to read in the future in the first place. This was the first Schopenhauer criticism that made sense to me. I just want to know if it can even be addressed or if Schopenhauer even dodges the problem of Hume or if the criticism is apt
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>>24717630
I'm reading a book on Idealism, and the authors mention that F. H. Bradley's philosophy of the Absolute, despite its name, actually is much closer to Schopenhauer's Will than the other Idealists' Absolutes. I don't know if it's an influence, but it's interesting, nonetheless.
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>>24717817
>muh schope won

Won what?

>m-muh schope said I don't gotta say nuthin

So you'll never perform?

>m-m-muh yeah

So you didn't win so much as never started?

>hey man like I jus like magic n shaheeet m-muh retVrn


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How many books have you read so far this year?
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I don't know how I would find out when I finished and begun each book
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Intensely ESL thread.
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Lost count at 30, also there are a few textbooks/reference books where I read large sections but didn't technically "read" from cover to cover
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not bad but not as many as the last couple of years at this point
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>>24717469
>more books read means I'm smarter of course.
Only if they're quan millz books, otherwise they don't really count

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Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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>Thread Question:
Post quotes or highlighted passages from books you've read (so we can admire or make fun of it)
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>>24717887
snowflake
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What's with the zoomer slang? Clankers? Really? This is supposed to be serious.
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>>24717971
> zoomer
oh rly??

https://sfdictionary.com/view/3048/clanker
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>>24717926
Ok Shlomo.
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>>24717906
correct me if im wrong, but didnt he suddenly become religious when writing the 2nd book?

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>spend a lifetime enriching my mind through classic literature
>cultivate an extensive and rich vocabulary
>when speaking to others they don't understand what I say and think I'm a tryhard fedora-tipper

How has reading negatively impacted your life?
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>>24707269
>read most of the /lit/ top 100 before I finish highschool
Children shouldn't be allowed on this site.
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>>24707404
>What impression does that give off?
You care too much about what other people think. Fix that.
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>>24706259
If intellectualism were encouraged and nurtured by tptb that wouldn't be an issue. They want you to feel alienated and isolated

>>24709265
>so retarded you just want to live your life normally socializing with peers instead of having to constantly lie and manipulate artifically dumbed-down people en masse
shalom
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>>24706418
>Drop any of it in a conversation and you'll get confusion or derision as "pretentious" depending on the company
Irrelevant point because accusations of "pretentiousness" are almost always meaningless and arbitrary, and the people who do such things are not worth your time or energy. Unless the person is correcting a misuse of a word, the accusation of "pretentious" should never exit an educated person's mouth
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>>24716109
Neither /lit/ or 4chan existed when I read those books. I know this is a very difficult and abstract concept for you, but the world did exist before 4chan.

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>The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal”. To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows.

Do you agree?
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>>24712335
To disagree is not to be filtered
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>>24715666
Your post just comes across as sad cope, like you've finally given up on using your brain and decided to enter into a sort of numbers-game, a soulless void devoid of creativity, empathy, or anything human, just throwing around half-understood memetic insults you've seen hurled around a thousand times on this board. Like computers playing chess, the pieces are moving but there's no sentient thought.
It's truly incredible how this time around, of all times, you've decided to drop all pretenses and get on with pushing for the motive you've likely had since the beginning. And to your motive , I'll say this: I will not enable or legitamize it. Your need for approval is now exposed, and you've exposed it. I guess it goes to show that we were never conversing, we're we? You were always just waiting, trying to figure out a good angle, like a scam caller having some inane conversation while looking for a way to weasel himself in. It's kind of sad, really. We had, at least I thought we had, a discussion of ideas here. I guess I was wrong, you're just another cynic looking to try to win internet points. Like a twitter bot made out of meat.
And Pale King's supposed to be about me? You sure? Maybe this whole time you've been reading DFW ironically. Or maybe you never read anything from him at all, and you're just holding on to his name and a few Wikipedia summaries of his work in order to build something resembling a personality. Feel free to scream "projection", that's the usual part of your script, but don't pretend that you care about discussing irony in earnest when you act like this.
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>>24716386
He's a major postmodernist
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>>24710509
no it turned out the new artists are tiktokers
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>>24717307
You admitted to failing to say what you meant and throwing stuff in for shits and giggles and just winging it; how is my not wanted to wade through it all coping? lol. Put in the effort, I will respond in kind.

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Books on the correlation between fighting wars, militarization and the GDP? Prefer history books but theoretical works are fine too.
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When will US and China team up to destroy the synagogue of Satan and their occult symbols?

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Post your own work and critique others.
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Rum tum tum and a bottle of cum!
Rindle dindle dee and a thimble of wee!
Dum thum doo and a bucket of poo!
Siddle diddle dot and a goblet of snot!
Lum whum dom and a bowl of vom!
Niddle biddle fool and a spoon of grool!
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Etsy witches really killed Charlie Kirk
lmao lol jk
But maybe not, you do your own research.
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copacabana777
lovely casino, a slice of heaven
friendly atmosphere, swear to god
find me dere, i cut dis cord
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bump
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The town remembers
a storm that softened the ground
shining like lost saints
candles trembling in the wind
and your shadow still listens.

Books against advertising as a concept?
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>>24717934
Retard. We are all paying "free" things with our society, civilization, and soul. There is no free lunch.
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>>24717783
Syrup by Max Barry
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>>24717783
probably anything by Bernays. the guy wrote the playbook on advertising and PR. you don't need a book against advertising to find it repulsive. it's enough to see how it works. it's probably much harder to find a book that argues for advertising (outside of the business context which is a self-justification of its own ethos).
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You should read No Logo
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>>24718011
By Naomi Klein? Isn't she some kind of shill?

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>muh common sense
"Common sense is stubborn; it stubbornly believes itself secure in the force of its inertia, believes the non-conscious secure in its primordial gravity and opposition to consciousness; believes matter secure against the difference that light brings into it just in order to reconstruct the difference into a new synthesis at a higher level. In northern climates this stubbornness perhaps requires a longer period of time to be so far conquered that the atomic matter itself has become more diversified, and inertia has first been set in motion on its own ground by a greater variety of their combination and dissolution and next by the multitude of fixed atoms thus generated. Thus the human intellect becomes more and more confused in its own proper doings and knowings, to the point where it makes itself capable of enduring the suspension of this confusion and the opposition itself."

"As regards philosophy in its proper and genuine sense, we find put forward without any hesitation, as an entirely sufficient equivalent for the long course of mental discipline – for that profound and fruitful process through which the human spirit attains to knowledge – the direct revelation of the divine and the healthy common sense of mankind, unconcerned with and undisciplined by any other knowledge or by proper philosophical reflection. These are held to be a good substitute for real philosophy, much in the way that chicory is lauded as a substitute for coffee. It is not a very pleasing spectacle to observe uncultivated ignorance and crudity of mind, with neither form nor taste, without the capacity to concentrate its thoughts on an abstract proposition, still less on a connected statement of such propositions, confidently proclaiming itself to be intellectual freedom and toleration, and even the inspiration of genius."
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>>24716613
>SchopenGod
>God
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>>24716539
I have never read anything by Hegel but after reading those quotes, which made me laugh out loud several times, I think I like him.
I think it has to do with putting him in the proper framework which is that of an eccentric German philosopher in the 1800s.
If you treat it as part comedy part philosophy it's a lot more enjoyable.
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Hegels writing can be summarized by the acronym TLDR
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>>24716539
>umm, ackchyually i am really, really, REALLY smart and you are not and neither is common sense
if upvotes existed in the 19th century, hegel would have a lot of reddit karma
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>>24716539
A wild Thomas Reid appears

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How do you achieve enlightenment and reach Nirvana?
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>>24713399
Pure land Buddhism is heretical
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>>24712788
Nirvana isn't anhilationism but it's some kind of "transcendence" that "goes beyond the duality of existing and not existing". I don't really get it. Moskha is much easier to understand - you reunite with the Godhead (Brahman) but what does Nirvana's transcendence entail? How can their be reincarnation if their's no self? Or is there a self that just isn't permanent?
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>>24717947
they're pretty much talking about the same thing but using different terms
the 'self' is the aggregates
there is ultimately no self, as in, once all of the karma of all of the aggregates is burnt up, you are left with 'brahman' or 'buddhanature', which I guess could be called 'raw reality' without any duality/selfing getting in the way, in even the most subtle of ways
not that you become some weird robotic entity you are actually much more alive and less 'stuffy' like your clogged nose (being completely self-based/karmically obscured) is completely unclogged and the breath (life) flows free with no resistance (not that you can't live, you breathe better with an unclogged nose, no?)
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>>24717958
Interesting, I've never heard it explained that way before. Thanks anon. So are jivanmuktas or people who are active Moksha while alive breathing freely? What is that like?
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>>24717947
The problem with "unity with gidheas" Is that thisngoshead Is what cast you unto the illusion, so this unity Is just going back to a state that still has illusión as a potentiality, there's no radical change or overcoming, the causes and conditions of your ignorance still exist, nibbana Is the destrucción if those causes and conditions,absolute freedom without conditions, and Is by deffinition impossible to grasp because that would imply that nibbana Is conditioned by some concept that entables said grasping, you can't understand nibbana only the Marks of existence that negates your achieving of nibbana, Is a vía negativa kind of thing

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Notable Authors: H.P. Lovecraft, Thomas Ligotti, Robert Aickman, Clive Barker, Edgar Allan Poe, Algernon Blackwood, Shirley Jackson, Richard Matheson, Stephen King, William Peter Blatty, Robert Bloch, Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Edogawa Rampo, Arthur Machen, Ambrose Bierce, M.R. James, Sheridan Le Fanu, Brian Evenson, William Hope Hodgson, Clark Ashton Smith, Frank Belknap Long, Ramsey Campbell, Caitlin R Kiernan, Laird Barron, Jack Ketchum, Stefan Grabinski, Peter Straub, and many many more

Discuss your favorite horror tales in both short and long form. What have you read lately? What do you want to read? What's a work of horror fiction or an author who you want to recommend?
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Which one do I read next? The ones marked in red I've read. I'm thinking of Pickman's Model.
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>>24717886
Ibid
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So I just finished The White People. Overall I liked it but it was definitely very obtuse and mystical. Did Machen really deliberately include obscure esoteric references in the story? I feel like there's a connection with the spiritualism that was popular in the in 19th century. Are there direct allusions to alchemy and other magickal sciences that even the more-than-average reader wouldn't understand? And further, this makes me wonder about what kind of person Machen was. Was he in the Golden Dawn by any chance?
>>24717891
Thanks bro I think I'll do that.
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Good sci-fi space horror recommendations that aren't hp lovecraft, Dan Simmons, or Peter Watts? Looking for a fun read, it doesn't have to be super literary or anything.
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>>24702117
Can anyone recommend me books which feature parallel dimensions?

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I'm a complete outsider to the US so I'm asking for some recommendations on any writings and histories in early American political thought. Founding Fathers sort of stuff.
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>>24716625
William Blackstone and the English Bill of Rights of 1689 were both pretty important in the lead-up. That anon also lists
>2nd treatise on government (Locke)
>theological-political treatise (Spinoza)
>the spirit of the laws (Montesqieue)
>discourses on livy (Machiavelli)
Which were all written prior to the Declaration. But otherwise you'd want to look to colony founders like William Penn for what the original settlers had in mind.
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>>24716645
thanks.
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>>24715546
Benjamin Franklin's autobiography is kino. Not as much a political tract, but it's got that in there.
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>>24715546
I might make a chart on this actually, there's a lot of stuff to read if you really want to understand early American thought
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>>24716612
I find Spinoza abhorrent

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What do we think of "La Comédie humaine"?

As a social retard, I need to learn. I got no empathy but I'm too much of a retard to be a machiavellian dude
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>>24717230
I have only finished Eugenie Grandet and Pere Goriot myself. Both works are greats in their own right, but I feel inclined to prefer the former.
I specially like his reflective tone on changing social structures. It makes one think about how much this world has changed since the 18th-19th century bourgeoisie paradigm shift
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I've only read Goriot and I only really like Rastignac's med school buddy and the Fag Prison King. Was a good novel.
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honore de balzac

lol, how does God keep coming up with these bangers.
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>>24717131
Haven't read much out of it but from what little I did read I concluded that it is like reading Buffon's natural history
You will gain very little if you read it to learn, as information about common animals is all stuff you already would know and there are better texts about them out there anyway, while what is written about exotic animals is laughably inaccurate
Still it is super fun to read about his description a crocodile, especially accompanied by illustrations, as it ends up being zany and weird and novel in a way, you just have to get past the chapter on the household cat first
Likewise everything surrounding Vatrin is a joy to read even though he more often than not seems closer to a weird fantastical reptilian creature than an actual realistic human, while it will be much less fun to read about Goirot and the tired archetype of the vexed father sacrificing everything for his ungrateful spawn. Just read King lear instead if you are interested in that
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>>24717131
I've read about two-thirds of it. Here's a quick ranking with some personal thoughts.
>The Good
The "trilogy": Père Goriot > Illusions perdues (Lost Illusions) > Splendeurs et misères des courtisanes (A Harlot High and Low)
Eugénie Grandet
La Rabouilleuse (The Black Sheep)
Cousine Bette
Cousin Pons
Le Chef-d'œuvre inconnu (The Unknown Masterpiece)
Sarrasine
Colonel Chabert
Curé de Tours (The Vicar of Tours)
>The Bad
Many of the hastily written Scènes de la vie privée (Scenes from private life)
Études analytiques (Analytical studies)

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>>24717455
>Clustering is the way I do it, and for me it's been quite reliable. Some people write early in the morning right after they wake up. Other's sit and daydream. Or nap with ball bearings in their fist. Some people induce it through autohypnosis. Some people drink. Rituals can often help.

you write wildly different things based on each of these activities?
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Forgot to say I voted
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>>24717536
Yeah normally when I write in the morning I write about writing in the morning, then when I daydream I write about writing about daydreaming about writing. With the ball bearings it's interesting because then I'll write about thinking about writing while falling asleep with ball bearings in my hands (because I can't write with ball bearings in my hands). Writing about writing about writing while hypnotised. Writing about writing about writing about writing while drunk. Sometimes I write from the toilet, and I'll leave the rest for you to figure out.
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I voted.
I’ll give more feedback on Sunday & Monday.


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