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>>25188102Give examples please, Im somewhat into history but I usually defer to YouTube for any of that
>>25188191Don’t tell that to all the people in the Camus thread treating him like some sort of prophet.
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>>25186994Butthurt commie cunt detected
>>25188334history is not an area in which i would feel comfortable giving recommendations id suggest looking through some university curriculums and working through the mentioned works (which will also mention other works)
I'm working my way through the first folio and can't decide what play to read next. My favorites have been Macbeth, Taming of the Shrew and Julius Ceaser. Any favorites to look out for?These are the ones I haven't read yet:>King John>Henry VI 1>Henry VI 2>Henry VI 3>Henry VIII>Troilus and Cressida>Antony and Cleopatra>The Winters Tale>Coriolanus>Timon of Athens>Merry Wives of Windsor>Loves Labor Lost>Alls Well That Ends WellComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>has this reputation of being a mind-bending psychedelic sci-fi odyssey>both Lynch and Jodorowsky tried their hand at making some kind of surrealist masterpiece>finally get around to reading the book>it's the driest thing ever written, mfw Villeneuve's movies actually captured the tone perfectly
The worst part? He plagiarized passages from another book. Which means the sequels are actually Frank Herbert's real power level.
>>25188749It's a historical reference
>>25188740I unironically like David Lynch's adaptation over the modern films and I found the book way too fatalistic even though I agree with the general message. I also hate Zendaya and what Villeneuve did to Chani.
Do you attempt to read things you're sure you'll hate, or things you know you'll disagree with, in order to better understand them? Do you find it shapes your understanding at all or that it just sets up and reinforces your current opinions? I'm a fan of cranks and manifestos, but I'm not exactly planning to start trying to tap the phoenix amerind bigfoot frequency or doing meth and trying to turn myself into a government owned troonputer. Reading some of the less objectionable feminist lit mostly just made me leas receptive to its ideas.
>>25188670It's a *very* recent development haha. Finished Wayward by Dana Spiotta yesterday. It was an interesting glimpse into how people similar to her and the demographic she writes for thinks, and she's quite competent and even occasionally great as a stylist. There were bits of characterization and plot that were quite compelling, but it was overall drowned out by unnatural plotting and digressions, unnuanced political commentary, like she was trying to reach a word count minimum. Much of it struck me as quite false and artificial.
>>25188575i skipped the chapter in trainspotting in which the narrator is a woman who won't stop interrupting herself with "no way!" and the like.
>>25188575When I was in college I read Mere Christianity and The Screwtape Letters for this reason. His arguments had what seemed like some obvious flaws to me but it was good to get a better idea of what Christians believe and why. I also started After Virtue but bounced off it.
>>25188575>Do you attempt to read things you're sure you'll hate, or things you know you'll disagree with, in order to better understand them?Yes, though I've found that having my beliefs confronted and misunderstandings corrected hasn't really changed the way I think as much as reading something without any preconceptions. I think it's important to live outside of an echo chamber. Currently I'm reading That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis, a mean and sneering book I don't think I will change my mind on, and The Stripping of the Altars because I've always seen English Catholicism after Henry VIII as a fad imported from the continent and want to see if that belief bears out.
>>25188876I've found C.S. Lewis' "mere Christianity" a very personal faith that other Christians adopt parts of to suit themselves. I don't consider him a serious thinker even if he was a decent writer.
>Pynchonruined by Hollywood trendhoppers>DeLilloruined by schizophrenic wannabe podcasters>McCarthyruined by manosphere conservatardsit's time to get into Roth, anons
>open thread>filled with people who obviously haven't read Philip RothThis board is so predictable.
>>25187259>all of them are about jewsWho cares? It's like complaining Scorsese makes movies about Italians. Read American Pastoral, The Human Stain, Sabbath's Theater, you picked a bunch of his late books where he's ruminating on his childhood.
>>25187875i only started to get into lesser-known postmodernists in the past year or so. i snagged W&M on Amazon for decently cheap and i got three of his other novels but thats it
>>25188141The Italians have aesthetic and historic value.
>>25188131a less retarded op wouldve been beneficial here
Where do you usually get free e-books for your Kindle?
>>25186488Everyone who pirates ebooks should use calibre. It auto-converts anything to anything, and can also strip existing DRM off your own stuff (or stuff from Libby)
>>25188604Shame that no matter how good it gets, pdf conversions will forever be awful
>>25187793People think bib is frozen in time since the-eye. You can get anything at Anna's archive or irc or any library overdrive anywhere. With a request worth enough people will straight up purchase a book to upload. I got several in Swedish from bib because people there are desperate for upload.
>>25188626Yeah. It's frustrating how many older books are either PDF-only or the only epub copy has really bad OCR errors.I've tried to tinker with the advanced conversion options before and have had some success, but the spacing is never right.
>>25188661Or the ebook is 50 bucks and the pdf is the only pirate available. I'll pay that for a hardcover, or something I can see myself returning to often like reference material. Not something I'm reading once out of curiousity. Maybe when we get flashable ereaders - 500 flexible eink pages that you turn like normal paper and reflash into another book when done. The young lady's illustrated primer, or more specifically the drunken neanderthal ancestor.
Do they count if you’re listening attentively?
>>25187442>From a comprehension standpoint, listening can absolutely count as engaging with the workBut you aren't engaging with the work on the same level as if you were reading it. Of course this entirely depends on how you read. If you speed through a book and don't bother to go over stuff twice then you may as well have listened to it.
>>25187419>I wouldn't imagine many works being created so as to be intended to be read out, and that is certainly not the case for most of what I have read by JoyceJoyce, the practically blind wordplayer, who loved to write stuff the reader has to sound out to get?
This discussion about oral tradition is utterly meaningless. Joyce (ironically enough) is the one who made literature a respectable medium. You could listen to Dostoevsky and have the same experience as someone reading it, but Joyce (and the ones that followed him) require far more effort than just listening. >>25187563 is right though, in saying that you should read it aloud, and using an audiobook as a companion piece is a great idea.
>>25187562>But you aren't engaging with the work on the same level as if you were reading it.I think it depends on what you are reading, but yeah, if you are reading something more difficult, and or your goal is to study and retain as much as possible, even going back and taking notes, written word is best.I do think that retaining the information and concentating on either format is somewhat of a developed skill. I listen to biographies at work. Retaining every word of every sentence isnt always necessary, depending on the verbosity of the author.
>>25187269Don't worry about whether they "count" in someone else's opinion, worry about whether you, personally, are able to absorb the contents of the book as effectively that way.
>At high school, Lenin fell in love with Latin. His headteacher had high hopes that he might become a philologist and Latin scholar. History willed otherwise, but Lenin’s passion for Latin, and taste for the classics, never left him. He read Virgil, Ovid, Horace and Juvenal in the original, as well as Roman senatorial orations. He devoured Goethe during his two decades in exile, reading and rereading Faust many times.>Lenin put his knowledge of the classics to good use in the time leading up to the October revolution of 1917. In April of that year, he broke with Russian social-democratic orthodoxy and, in a set of radical theses, called for a socialist revolution in Russia. A number of his own close comrades denounced him. In a sharp riposte, Lenin quoted Mephistopheles from Goethe’s masterwork: “Theory, my friend, is grey, but green is the eternal tree of life.”>Lenin knew better than most that classical Russian literature had always been infused with politics. Even the most “apolitical” of writers had found it difficult to conceal their contempt for the state of the country. Ivan Goncharov’s novel Oblomov was a case in point. Lenin loved this work.
>>25188510He's the main character of the first quarter of the 20th century. Of course he's /lit/
>>25188510yes but he was also a pseud
>>25188510>was this writer and theorist /lit/? Are you 16?
>>25188754Then why do they show up as red on Shinigami Eyes?
>>25188837I made this meme in opposition to the so called Ukrops Nazis who clearly infest /lit/ with their homosexual fascist ravings. I hope you enjoy it
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25146787
>>25172552Which religion is closest to Neoplatonism? I understand the concept of initiation to kill the ego and to provide an actual pathway to spiritual salvation but the religious models in contemporary Abrahamic faiths don't make any sense to me.
>>25188541Because something can only be analyzed if it is the product of synthesis and vice versa.>>25188553Well that’s too bad because Roman Catholicism and… fine, Eastern Orthodoxy are both deeply influenced by Neoplatonism. The whole tradition of contemplative prayer is extremely Platonic. Beyond that you have Sufis with some Platonic influence, also some Shi’ite.
>>25188620Roman Catholicism doctrine of Hell and Christianity's mandate of original sin alongside the fatalistic view of human redemption prevents me from ever believing in Christianity. I don't like messianism and I find the twelfth Imam stuff really silly so I can't believe in that. Maybe I should explore Sufism more.
>>25188640What about Hell and original sin put you off? What do you mean by "fatalistic view of human redemption," exactly?
>>25188843>What about Hell and original sin put you off?Hell in Catholicism is a physical place where you are eternally at rather than simply a soul too unaware of its original self to reach enlightenment. Theoretically in non-Abrahamic traditions Hell is something you can escape and the moral conundrum of God eternally punishing someone doesn't even exist. Original sin is even worse because it views humanity, and the world as a whole, as a corrupted creation rather than an imperfect creation made intentionally (or at least, is not evil) so that we can understand and appreciate our true form.>What do you mean by "fatalistic view of human redemption," exactly?It's fatalistic partially because of what I said about original sin earlier, but also because it literally sees the human soul as so impossibly corrupted that only through rituals where, according to Christian doctrine, you're cannibalizing God, can you be interceded for. There's basically no point in doing anything because Christianity has such a cynical view of the world, and the entire religion is built on not being accountable and banking on a messiah to purge all the conflict in yourself and the rest of the world.
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>>25188615I don't know but you piss me off
>>25188624We can do an old timey boxing match if you're in the buffalo area. Afterwards we'll go out for root beer floats.
>>25188547What is this Victoria story anons keep mentioning? Let me in on the joke
>>25188693It's not a joke, it's a really good excerpt one anon shared some time ago.
>>25188699so is it done? He probably just dropped it half way like everyone else
History general thread. What have you been reading and what have you to recommend–>discuss? I started this last night and it's kino of the highest order. For fans of Storm of Steel. Next history book I'm going to read after this will probably be Dancing in the Glory of Monsters. I'll finish Ghost Wars eventually.
>>25187652>thought this was gonna be about nogs doing stupid shit.Try The Fate of Africa: A History of the Continent Since Independence. It's kino, basically Africa Blood and Guts on paper.
>>25186952The black cover with a huge swastika on it? That's the one I read. They were all over the place in bookstores back then.
>>25152095What are the best books to learn about Richard the Lionheart?
Are history book audibooks any good? Like are they as good as books for memory retention?
>>25187652It is about nogs doing stupid shit? It barely even talks about the Rwandan genocide It barely even mentions it. Did you finish it already?>Updated edition You dun goofed, yah dope.
Why did Harold Bloom lie about Harry Potter? Did he not know people could compare his comments with the books themselves.To tell you the truth, it makes me doubt his veracity as a critic as a whole. How can I trust him on anything?
>>25188434It wasn't
>>25188137>>25188156>No literary critics ever say something is slop and that's what breaks my trust in literary criticshttps://youtu.be/EVWiwd0P0c0Read Bloom then, he called Harry Potter slop on national television in 2000 [8:57] and is able to articulate exactly why it's slop - it's an endless series of cliches.
>>25186080he looks like he smells so bad and doesn't shut up
>>25186080He never lied. He referred to hackneyed phrases in general littering every page, not one particular hackneyed phrase being repeated over and over.
>>25187948He's not referred to that phrase being repeated over and over, but that hackneyed phrases, like that one, appear over and over as a crutch for Rowling, making the work tedious.
What are some good audiobook reads (voice, emotion, clarity) of Camp of The Saints and where can I find it (preferably free and un-modernified/edited)?>inb4 audionoobYes yes, inferior this and that...I don't have much time and am already in the process of reading all the monogatari novels so I'd prefer to listen to it when I'm working/doing other things.
New full translation of Pepys' coded rape diary, from the shorthand and Franco-Latino polyglot of the original. Will you be reading his tales of predation upon London's servant girls?
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>>25188785>The author has performed nearly forensic new translations of Pepys’s diary, drilling down especially on the material in foreign languages. This was essentially a secret code: Pepys was a polyglot who could pun in two languages within a single sentenceIn other words: the author has already decided Pepys is a monster in the MeToo era, so he makes sure to read every single ambiguous or opaque passage in only one way. Shan't be reading it.
>one chance at life >cant grope maids
>>25188845The purpose of this book is not to create a gratuitously distorted or scurrilous account of Pepys’s private life. Instead, the intention is to complete Pepys’s own story, because for one reason or another, all the previous transcribers of his diary in some way sought either to omit or occlude an important component of his testimony. The revelations here of the content and the methods Pepys used to compose the passages concerned should now take their proper place as important components of the diary and evidence for Pepys’s personality. They may serve to stimulate further study of this fascinating aspect of the diary text, especially the light they throw on the way he used the shorthand ... Revised readings, which were not anticipated when the work for this book began, have been introduced where they fulfil one or more of the following criteria: they are more plausible and accurate transcriptions of the shorthand, better match contemporary spellings and usages, and correspond more convincingly to the context by generating translations that make sense as opposed to not doing so.https://www.pepysdiary.com/indepth/2025/08/04/confessions-samuel-pepys/
Sample of the translation work>I realized that L&M had mistranscribed some of the polyglot because their versions do not make sense. These are the main areas where they made mistakes unlike the rest of the text where there are very, very few errors. Some of the errors are so obvious it is difficult to understand how they were made.>Let's take 3 June 1666 as an example. L&M have 'devante and backward'. 'devante' is not a word. It does not exist in Spanish or any other language, whether now or back then. The shorthand reads d(e)l(a)nt(e). 'delante' is in Percivale's 1623 Spanish Dictionary which P owned (it's still at Magdalene') and means 'forward'. Thus 'forward and backward'.>On 13 October 1663 P uses 'forward and backward' in a way that makes it obvious what he meant on 3 June 1666. I could cite various other examples of erroneous words.
the walls of tyrosh editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25132678
>>25188695>>25188743I prefer feasting over dancing, though that might just be me being a fat ass who can't dance.
>>25188745As Cat (Stoneheart) fooking performing cbt on capture prisoner behind red wedding.
>>25188518>The Others will have to scoutWhy? Humans can't kill them and the Other will eventually find any humans who might be hiding.>>25188580>Sam killed one easilyHe managed to surprise one who never expected the fat blubbering tard to whip out an obsidian blade.
>>25188786They don't have omniscience. They have to see through wights or something, so they have to send them out.
>>25188797>They don't have omniscience.They don't need it. The land will be in the midst of an ice age and whatever few humans manage to slip past them, will either die of starvation or be found by zombies before too long.Gurm fucked up introducing the Others right out of the gate because now he's committed and they're simply too powerful.
