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post books that would make great video games
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>>25189237
It's too clubky. Moss Roberts is as smooth as a good scotch.
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>>25189243
Wrong.
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>>25189028
I have the four chinese classics in the Foreign Language Press edition (like OPs pic) and I think you can't go wrong with them, but I haven't read Three Kingdoms yet. A Dream of Red Mansions and Water Margin were good though
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>>25189237
Moss Robert’s is the most soulful tf?
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>>25189254
Nah, you're wrong. Sozz, lol.

the hills of norvos edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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Most of Marx's writings are either economic books, critiques of Hegelian thought, or historical analysis. He never left a coherent epistemology or metaphysics, and never really developed an ontology.
His only philosophical work that I know of are the Manuscripts of 1844, but they remains very poor in their philosophical content.

So why is he considered as one of the major thinkers of philosophy when his thought was as complex and philosophically rich as Montesquieu's thought was ?

>dialectical and historical materialism
Marx used a hegelian method to analyze history and society, but, apart from the German Ideology, he never really developed it. Even then, he doesn't really present a big and structured account for his philosophical thought but rather relies on a philosophical critique and historical presentation.
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>>25188303
Religion can be practiced without any recourse to self harm, cult-like tribalism or drugs, so I’d rather choose that. “Intellectual self harm” does not do any quantifiable damage physiologically or psychologically, all it does is create a vague concern of not being consistent or logical. Which, is a concern most people, many of whom have learned to be resilient and keep their spirits high despite great loss and trauma, do not have.

>>25188666
Because Scandinavia has had a history of Lutheran and Pietist movements that already instilled a collective and social culture in them, so it’s not surprising they easily adopted socialist policies. Of course, I’m glossing over their eugenics program.

>>25188672
I’m not despairing due to lack of money. Marxism gave me some hope that humans can enact real change in human society and truly reduce suffering instead of superficially, and someday it will, but probably not even in my great-grandchild’s old age. For my lifetime, me and other people like me need to live our lives at some point or the other. This is why you often don’t get the support of the actual working class of a country for its communist party.
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>>25188878
How did you determine that the Lutheran and Pietist movements instilled it and not that those were adopted because of the strong collective and social biases in Scandinavia? Does Lutheranism correlate to socialist policies in other countries? This just seems like a weird non-sequitur.
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>>25187810
If labour outweighs "value", you can just fire people and reduce wages. If labour still isn't worth it, then you disinvest. You can also use marketing to create demand where it did not previously exist thereby increasing value. None of this is adequately explained by LTV. All of it is logically explained by Marginal Utility Theory. Even if parts of LTV are true, they serve no practical purpose. No one is getting rich making market bets on LTV. Everyone uses Marginal Utility and gets results.
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>>25188909
It…kinda does? The Pietist movement and Lutheranism in general was strongest in Scandinavia, but was also significant in Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany, Latvia as well as several eastern European countries. Most of the latter were part of the USSR and its orbit, and the rest are socdems like Scandinavia.
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>>25188923
For pure descriptive and “financial analyst” economics, after the discipline narrowed its focus during the 20th century? Yeah, marginal utility is enough, no definitions of value are needed.

For an integration of economics with sociology and historiography? You need a theory of what value is, hence why the LTV is used.

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Why are his comedies not funny at all?
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>>25188138
show me the facts or shut the fuck up
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>>25187933
>I have 47 chromosomes and none of them work
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The Merry Wives of Windsor strikes me as Shakespeares funniest non-pastoral comedy because of how much he clearly hates Falstaff and wants to humiliate the shit out of him.

Bloom crying about it is always good for a laugh too.
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yeah he's just not that good.
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>>25188449
kill yourself

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How many pages per day is a "good" reading pace? How fast does /lit/ get through books?
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>>25188290
Casual books and fiction I can read a few hundred pages a day. For something like Being and Time sometimes I don't get past half a page a day. Don't worry about it, and certainly don't worry about comparing with others. Just have fun and learn.
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>>25188290
I measure only time, since pages are too affected by difficulty. It took me two weeks to work through Mrs. Dalloway, but only a few days for Hyperion. I get 20-30 minutes each way on my commute and then try to read an extra 30 minutes on the weekend as well. I can finish most average non-slop 200-300 page novels every 2 weeks.

Before I got my Ritalin prescription, I spent about 5 years really trying to make books work but despite putting in the time, I found it too hard to make noticeable consistent progress. I'd read an epic in a week then not read for months. I didn't know reading was actually fun until I got on drugs.
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>>25188290
try for a minimum of 40 pages a day. the secret to reading lots is to only read books you want to read. don't plod through some heavy tome because you feel obligated to.
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You should read enough pages that it adds up over time but not so it becomes cumbersome. I set a goal of exactly 50 pages a day.
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>>25188290
Really depends on how good the book is.

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>has this reputation of being a mind-bending psychedelic sci-fi odyssey
>both Lynch and Jodorowsky tried their hand at making some kind of surrealist masterpiece
>finally get around to reading the book
>it's the driest thing ever written, mfw Villeneuve's movies actually captured the tone perfectly
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>>25188740
I unironically like David Lynch's adaptation over the modern films and I found the book way too fatalistic even though I agree with the general message. I also hate Zendaya and what Villeneuve did to Chani.
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>>25188740
>it's the driest thing ever
no shit idiot thats the whole point
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>>25188749
>wikislop browsers believe this constitutes plagiarism.
Have you ever read any of the many Herbert interviews about Dune? He tells you upfront the influences of his book. If anything, he was ripping of Jung
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>>25188943
Kek
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>>25188740
GEOD mogs

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So i have a friend who recently got into audiobooks and he keeps talking about this one and tries getting us into it but it just seems like slop to me,did anyone here read it and what do you think of it ? worth getting into ?
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>>25187539
of course it's slop
tell him that you read for the same reason you go to the gym (you do go to the gym, don't you?)
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same situation but actually tried it
gigaslop
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>>25188110
>(you do go to the gym, don't you?)
i have dumbbells and stuff and train at home 3 times a week,here gym membership is expensive and id rather do it in my own space.
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>>25187539
i read this thing in like 5 hours, and i thought it was AI generated or something. it's like the guy mashed together all the tropes he knew, added reddit tier humor and vulgarity.

it's perfect for normies who don't like reading, which is why it's getting popular with the romantasy crowd
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>>25187539
I got over halfway through the first book and couldn't finish it. it's like a dumb action comedy movie in book format. just turn your brain off and enjoy. it wasn't for me, but that's fine.

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Are there any science fiction stories about trying to create superhumanly competent/ubermench people, not through mechanical meddling of biology, but by orchestrating their lives on the pattern on some of history's most accomplished people? E.g. it seems like many great people in the past had traumatic childhoods, with loved ones dying early, being immersed in novel/foreign situations where the had to constantly think fast and adapt to survive.
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>>25189165
Dune but it isn't what you're imagining lol
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>ubermench
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>>25189165
There are but it's called aristocrat autobiographies and it's not science fiction.
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>>25189167
Well I imagine something conspiratorial and questionable and traumatic.
I suppose Dune does fit from what I know of it, in a way. Asimov has his "psychohistory" too though that's a much broader in scope.

>ubermensch
It adequately communicates an idea, no?
What term do you prefer for people on the Pareto edge who are capable of accomplishing magnitudes more than most of their supposed peers in any given field? "Genius" IMO doesn't really cut it. Drive, motivation, and the ability to synthesize multiple domains of life experience are as necessary if not more so than just raw intelligence.
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>>25189165
you mean like The Boys From Brazil?
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>>25189165
Frank Herbert's Dosadi Experiment

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Would you recommend it?
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>>25186976
I support the mullahs sorely because Iranian diaspora are the most annoying people I've ever met. Even worse than Indian nationalists.
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Can you two tonguing each other's anus fuck off to /pol/ perhaps
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>>25188516
How is there complete silence over the plight of Iranians? There’s a war against the country from the most powerful countries in the world with the intention of toppling the government. There has been nothing but hostility from the world against Iran since 1979. You couldn’t even dream of groups like Palestinians having an intervention in their favor

>Palestinian and Israeilis can work on a two state solution without Hamas dictating them what to do.
There is absolutely zero excuse for this kind of naivety in the current year. You have to be joking. There will never be a two state solution, Israel doesn’t want it and would rather just get rid of Gaza and West Bank, its leaders are openly confessing to desiring hegemony over the Middle East and want to expand their war machine to Syria, Turkey etc in the future.
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>>25188554
Israel is an ally of the west and subject to the west‘s humanism, if Hamas is not there and Israel continues flattening them out the west won’t accept this. Besides they’ve already proposed two state solutions to Palestine multiple times and every time Arabs rejected it. If the mullahs in Iran fall palestine will give PSA a chance. Lebaneese people have had enough of hezbollah and Iran and the lebaneese prime minister said the iranian diplomats are persona non grata and should fuck off. I want to see this in palestine.
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>>25189223
Lmao

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Part 1 was kino. Parts 2 & 3 were meh.
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Enjoyed the book but found out afterwards Miller killed himself so he was kind of full of shit.
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>>25179181
The only think that kept me reading past the lightbulb scene was inertia. Cute stuff, humanity rediscovering technology thought lost, beung put back on track to the golden age long thought lost. I don't like the cyclicality of history thing, very depressing. Humanity will just forever bomb itself into the stoneage... again and again, again and again.
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>>25188307
No it isn't you autistic retard. Also, Jews are the master race.
>>25189201
That's life, unfortunately. We climb upwards but lose something with every step we take.
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>>25182079
your boyfriend taught me to type that way. while he was giving me typing lessons, he kept talking about some idiot he was dating, but just when he was bored. Oh hey, that was you. my bad. anyways, your boyfriend taught me and he really doesn't like you. You're just that pathetic, anon.
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>>25188247
I mean the book had its moments and all. I remember it was interesting when the one priest noticed that the step stone had worn in the shape of a bell curve. but taken in total, it was just boring as you got to the end. I was expecting some big finish, but it just fizzled out.

This might be the last Aristotle topic that is still vexing to me, but how exactly does the Unmoved Mover work as a first final cause and/or a first efficient cause?

So, I get that the final cause has to be prior to the efficient cause. But is the Unmoved Mover an efficient cause of anything?

My problem is that in Metaphysics Lambda, the Unmoved Mover is not described as an efficient cause, but only as a final cause. Aristotle also affirms in Lambda that motion has to be eternal (IIRC comes from Physics VIII), which seems to imply that the universe has an infinite chain of efficient causes. So, you get this picture of there being two eternal principles: the Unmoved Mover, and the cosmos in motion.

However, in Metaphysics Little Alpha, 994a, Aristotle argues precisely against the idea that you can have an infinite chain of even efficient causes. So, it seems like the idea that there are two coexisting eternal principles idea is wrong, since the cosmos cannot be the infinite chain of eternal causes that it appears to be. However, Aristotle does not fix the problem and call the Unmoved Mover an efficient cause at any point whatsoever.

I am not sure how to rectify this. Any thoughts? I think the idea might be that "eternal things can be infinite sources, and since motion is eternal, there can be infinite efficient causes in a temporal sense", but this might be a copout.
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>>25188390
No, I meant that if you were to perish, the various combinations of elements (earth fire water air) that once constituted your body would then determine the possibilities that your body could become later, perhaps as nutrients for trees and such.
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>>25188381
>>25188390
Wait, why is this guy talking like this? I thought I was talking to the Aristotlechad who was against culture war bullshit and stuff and sticks to the text. My bad, not interested in what you're peddling. No student of the philosopher would think that matter and form are the same.

Man these last 10 replies have been weird. Usually the identities of the posters stand out.
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>>25188390
So, to be an individual matter/receptivity is like being a trichromatic eye. Your capacity to know RGB landscape is your 'Form in potential in your soul'. Ergo though a colorblind eye and normal eye are equally 'non actual' have them see the same light and they would know it differently—this difference is the difference of their eternal souls.
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>>25188404
I'm both.
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>>25188409
huh nigga??

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>he writes in first person
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>>25189214
bugman
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>>25189214
I'm the first person ever
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Consider this anons. The most popular women’s literature and the literature women enjoy the most is first person.

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How the fuck does this get published?
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>>25182101
what a gay innuendo, just have buttsex already
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>>25180847
Okay, it's shit. But genuinely, how did it get published? Does it have some sort of globohomo propaganda message? Do his previous books? Or is it literally just because he's jewish that he got published?
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>>25180847
How would you write a narrative based on the perspective of a nerd science teacher?
Do you feel the same way when reading Catcher in the Rye?
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>>25189203
Third person so the book can harshly judge the retard.

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>>25185982
I enjoyed the play about Dugin
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>>25185982
So Gaviloski, do you plan on putting on a performance for these plays?
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>>25188681
Didn't he already?
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>>25189163
t. didn't read book
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>>25188019
if you actually read it and this isnt just the author samefagging give us anons a review to know if its worth buying.

Do they count if you’re listening attentively?
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>>25189187
I'm sorry you feel that way but I have no obligation to participate in or be judged by whatever insecure game it is you wish to play with your own personal exploration of the written (or recited) word. Simplistic aphorisms like "No man is an island" don't make for compelling reasons why I should reduce myself to your level of rote, mechanical authoritarian thinking.

You don't strike me as someone who's trying to carefully consider what he's read, you strike me as someone insecure who needs to have a scoring system so he can "prove" that he read it "better than" someone else. I don't have much respect for that sort of thinking.
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>>25187269
I believe listening to the book 100% via audio is not ideal for most books, but some stories may work.

When I go for a run, a base run, no intervals or harder efforts, I like to listen to the book I'm currently reading, some books require more effort from me so I have to read the bits again, but some books are perfectly fine. The easiest book I've listened was Catcher in the Rye, the whole thing really feels like someone telling a story to you. Another one is Count of Monte Cristo, because the dude on librivox did a great job with all the different accents.
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>>25189196
If we all read and listen different ways, why do we bother arguing over the true interpretation? We inherently want to put forward the best interpretation, which is usually our own, but may be a patchwork of what others have said. I do concede you are right about how your personal experience of a text is your own, and no one really can tell you otherwise, but maybe you should think about how egocentric reading and listening to a text can be. You are limited by what jumps out to you and no one fully has an objective, static view of the text. Instead, they like what they like about it and ignore what they ignore and dislike what they dislike. Are you starting to see how everyone is interconnected in a web of difference and repetition in interpretation?
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>>25189206
If you want to have a conversation with someone about a book, have a conversation with him. If you don't, then don't. Making a priori decisions about who read it "better" because of the form you consumed it in doesn't accomplish anything beyond stroking your own ego, which suggests you're not interested so much in the conversation as you are the "game" you've devised and what your point tally says about you in relation to other people.

>Are you starting to see how everyone is interconnected in a web of difference and repetition in interpretation?
I'm starting to see you sound very insecure to me and need validation from others for your hobby. Sorry, the only thing I feel from your way of thinking is pity.
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>>25189210
Reading isn’t a hobby for me. It’s my snorkel to the universe, my divining wand for meaning. If that makes me pathetic, then so be it. Who needed the desert of the real anyway?


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