I've heard that scholars and bookworms tend to be cat owners and tend to dislike dogs. Does /lit/ hate dogs?
dogs all the waycats are for low-t shrimps too weak for daily walks
I prefer cats but dogs are great too (minus shitbulls)
>>25189679cat owner. I'm a low-t shrimp too weak for daily walks
>>25189679I love dogs and cats.t. Has one cat and two dogs
>>25189962dogs have been domesticated over 10,000 years to love you, but humans have also been domesticated over 10,000 years to love dogs. most people don't realize that it's a two way street.
>name is literally GOATWas he not the greatest of all time?
>>25189658Hey now, his opinion is retarded but Melville is brilliant; shut your mouth.
>>25189079English from German is always better in translation than it ever was in German anyway.If it's translated to Swedish that's even more beautiful. (As is English into Swedish.)
>>25189024yeah he be da goat n shiet nigga got those bars in dem books like that one about the sorrows of a yung nigga nietzsche vibed with this nigga he was a real g dont mess with my fucking goat yall bitch ass niggas
>>25189857This manner of conduct ill beseems you, anon.
>>25189862shut up nigga
I just ordered my first book & read ever. The divine Comedy
>>25189941I hope you enjoy it, anon. It's a beautiful poem, but also a difficult one. Even if you end up dropping it, I hope you come back to it in a decade or two.t. loved Purgatorio, but was filtered by Paradiso and I plan to come back to it eventually
>>25189941I have it on my reading list for a long time. i hope you make a post on the book telling us your thoughts some day
This week we're going to talk about a very simple idea that's going to get you from someone who's really confused by complex paragraphs or complex books, especially nonfiction books that you're struggling to understand. And the automatic conclusion that we all have is basically I am stupid. I can't understand books because if you know, if this book is understandable, I speak English, I read English, why can't I understand any of it?And if you want to take anything away from today's post, it's simply this. This problem right here, this reading problem is not an intelligence problem. It is merely a skill problem that you've inherited from the shitty English education system or from the education system that really never bothered to teach you what it takes to read well or to teach you how to get the message out of a pretty complicated paragraph.So, as your substitute English teacher today, we're going to cover two exercises or two aspects of reading that anyone can work on. It takes a bit of time, takes a bit of getting used to, but once you get into the habit of doing these two exercises when you read after a few months, your ability to tackle difficult material will skyrocket. And you will be able to tackle whatever material that you want to tackle. And this, especially in the age of AI, this is a superpower. The power to explore whatever subject that you want to explore without language, without letting language get in the way. I think this is a worthy skill to pursue.So, these two aspects of reading that underpin most of how we consume information or how we even register information are comprehension and coherence. To put it simply, comprehension's all about understanding what the words are about on a page. For example, when you study a new field like history, words like sovereignty, words like colonialism, words like multiculturalism, these words won't automatically make sense to you if you don't know what the word is pointing to.So, in case you encounter a paragraph that's really dense and difficult, the first pass that you have to do is to slow down. And slowing down is not an act of, you know, declaring defeat. You know, I think I'm too dumb to understand this. Why can't I just understand it straight away? But slowing down to gather the definitions of words you don't understand, concepts that are not quite clear to you yet. This should be seen as an investment because as you define one word, and if you if you see the same word again two pages later, in most cases you don't have to look that up again.
View building comprehension as you investing different things into a bank of words or a bank of ideas. And over time, this bank of ideas is going to start to grow. You're going to start to understand everything a little bit better. And when you move on to another book that contain these words and ideas, you'll be able to read a lot faster. This grows at an exponential scale, not that reading fast is the point of of today's post. But over time, you start to see that that even understanding one key idea will unlock a whole sphere of different readings for you.And over time, yes, you'll get to a point where you can recognize most of the words on a page. You know the definition of most of these words, and reading reading becomes really enjoyable from that point onward.And the second aspect of reading that throws a lot of people for a loop is coherence. In short, if comprehension wants you to understand the individual building blocks of a paragraph or of an idea or of an argument, coherence wants you to trace how this idea moves or how this argument moves.And one of the quickest ways to do this is to spot the connectives. In grammar, there's a group of words called conjunctions that also come with uh subsections like coordinating conjunctions and subordinating conjunctions. But nevertheless, the main function of a conjunction is to join different sentences together or to join sentences together without using full stops because if we use full stops all the time, all the sentences would sound pretty clunky. And on the other hand, these conjunctions also provide logical relations between different ideas. Hence, if you want to grasp how an argument or how an idea is flowing on a page, the quickest way to do that is to spot these connecting words. To let these connecting words tell you how the idea is moving on a page.Some common connectives or conjunctions include and, which shows sequence, because shows relation, however shows an exception, therefore shows an explanation. Different connective words, they serve these very distinct functions. So, as you go through a difficult section of a text that you don't really understand, these words are your keys to understand how the idea is moving on a page.And when combined with comprehension, if you already know what the definitions of these words mean, that's what creates a powerful reading experience when you're able to tell what the ideas first of all mean and being able to trace how these ideas are moving on a page. And this is essentially the two main mechanisms of reading. Like I said before, every one of your reading problems probably come down to one of these two factors.
So, as a series of practical exercises, this week after you've finished today's post, make sure to return to a difficult book and pick out a difficult paragraph that you're having some trouble understanding. And exercise number one to build comprehension, I want you to take a difficult paragraph from one of these books that you're currently reading >> [snorts] >> and circle every unfamiliar word out there.I know some people out there are going to say, you know, if I do this for every paragraph, I'll never finish the book. Well, the beauty here is if you simply do this exercise on one paragraph, you probably don't need to do this again for a few paragraphs that follows that paragraph. Again, learning new definitions and learning comprehension or gathering a bank of ideas and words, this is an investment that's really going to expand what you can read and what you can comprehend in the long run.So, circle and define every unfamiliar word on a page. Look them up. You only need a brief definition, and then reread the paragraph to see if things start to make a little more sense.And once you get into the habit of collection and definition to expand your comprehension, let's move on to exercise number two. And this is when you have to go back to that paragraph. And then now, instead of circling unfamiliar words, I want you to circle the connective words that glue the entire paragraph together.Do you see an and? And is the author showing a sequence of arguments? Do you see therefore? Is the author introducing a conclusion after providing a lot of evidence? Do you see however? Is an exception being introduced after however?Remember, connecting words, aka conjunctions, they are the linchpins that hold an idea together. Without them, the whole text would fall apart. It wouldn't make any logical sense. So, if you can go in there and to retrace the shape of the paragraph, they'll make your reading experience a lot less taxing because now at least you have a general overview of the flow of the paragraphs.And just like comprehension, the more of these connectives you collect, the more you build up a backlog of how these words are functioning in a text. And over time, you probably don't need to look this up every time you read a book. But for the first couple of books, if you read through them with these two exercises, over time, you're going to wake up one day and a book that was very difficult to you will start to appear like, you know, it's it's really all right to read. I can understand everything now.
So, in conclusion, difficult writing becomes easy once we see that there are these mechanisms holding them together, at least in the case of nonfiction. And if you can learn to see that, in fact, wrestling with every difficult book out there or every difficult book that you wrestle with, they will all expand your comprehension or expand your ability to read permanently.So, that over time this becomes a life skill. This becomes a formidable force in your life where you're able to explore different weird interests that you have, not through second-hand opinions on the internet, but first-hand through accessing a piece of text without bias.And over time, as you practice some of the ideas in these posts and as you practice some of the techniques and exercises that I give you every single week, you're going to start to see that this really is a superpower. And I'm very excited to share more perspectives and ideas around this topic of learning how to read and write. Or in other words, teaching you all the stuff that you should have learned in your English classes.Nevertheless, that's all I have for this week's post, and I'll be back here next week with more. Take care and goodbye.
did you read a logic book lately or did i witness an independent derivation in real time? either way good explication
Will literature ever regain cultural prominence?
>>25189100>he's not the richest or the most famousshouldn't it be "he's not the richest nor the most famous"?
Of course old-school books/authors are not as influential as they were but the creative force is still vital; it just finds its way into other forms (products).Regardless of the modern entertainment, it's genesis is still someone and their ideas (and a desire to express them).I see writing as vital because it is the least meditated of the art forms. Consider all the efforts made, the number of people involved, in adapting an author's work into a film/tv show. So many egos, opinions, constraints and obstacles exist that the writer avoids, snug in his garret, living in their imagination.Consider the struggle for authors to get published in the past, if their themes were heterodox to their culture, race, politics. Many were prosecuted and exiled in a manner that few of us could contextualize or really understand (off the top of my head, see Solzhenitzen).If you have an idea and some ambition, you have a million ways to make that a reality that people in past did not have.When an author achieves mass popularity, they can also become a character/public persona (or even caricature). Nowadays, someone becomes notorious first, or gets some niche attention, then leverages it to get published. Many of the agents I've listened to have made this point.I guess the point is that the forms that lit will take in the future are hard to predict, but that spark will remain.Hit me with your best cynicism and I'll try to defend my dung heap.
>>25189705"Nor" is typically used with "neither."
How do I get started with Franzen?
>>25189923the word typically is doing a lot of heavy lifting for your so-called argument
>have to re-read a paragraph because my mind drifted to boobs and pusy again
>>25189406Libido out, then what other pleasure? Hunger as well? Taking a nice shit also? Everything we do is so we can maximize our pleasure and minimize our misery at the end of the day. We work, we read, we want to become more intellectual partly because of pussy.
>>25187153Your wife's boobs and pussy are that distracting? Lucky man.
Then you simply don't enjoy reading. It's a cult for you. Find other hobby
>>25189406Or..you can just discipline yourself.
>>25187142if you have any interest at all in the book you are reading, your attention likely snaps when you are challenged by a phrase or word you do not immediately understand - and i mean this word literally, not in any abstract or "higher enlightenment" sense. you were likely very poorly educated, there is so much you do not know, and the real problem is your mind is used to wandering when faced with any challenge whatsoever.my suggestion: read with a pencil and/or notebook. immediately write when you notice you have stopped paying attention, either with your thoughts, or your best attempt to understand what the impediment was. keep a wiktionary or wikipedia tab open, or better, use physical reference material to keep from being distracted by the internet. and, obviously, stop watching so much porn.you are an idiot, i am very sorry to tell you. we all are. you have to educate yourself. it will take years, and most of the time you will just be frustrated. but it can be done. you do not have to be convinced it is worth doing, since you are already doing it yourself, which is perhaps your strongest asset.>>25189954we ought to read for more than mere enjoyment!
"Sadly, Porn" by The Last Psychiatrist, what do you think of this, is it worth reading?
>>25189863Used to be more common than you'd think
>>25189875wait is it an essay? i thought it was a novel
>>25189881its for people who read too much, externalizing their desires and ideas of their accomplishment and loss to other people and things
>>25189578>>25189866This guy has never interested me.
>>25189894joyce and bely already addressed this, read more
Bakker being deep editionHere we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25189709You must know, all that pointless exposition will be skipped entirely. Maybe that will make it entertaining.
>>25188718>filteredYes. Shitty writing and poor characterization filters me.
>>25189647AppleTV seems to give respectable budgets. Still, I can't see anyway they could do a live action Stormlight well. The scale is too large and there is just far too many fantasy elements.
>>25189287Sounds like the game is missing an arab orgy expansion.
>>25186986The Wolf's Call in nuthshell.
>>25188863"Jewry cannot create a new world; it can only draw the world’s new-made creations and relationships into the sphere of its industriousness, because practical need, whose motivation is private interest, acts passively and never initiates growth, only feeds on the growth of society.""Jewish Jesuitism—that practical Jesuitism which in the Talmud, as Bauer shows, deals with the clever circumvention by the world of private interest of the laws that rule it—is the chief art of that world.""What is stated as theory in Jewish religion, namely, contempt for theory, art, history and man as an end in himself, is an actual and conscious point of view, held to be virtuous by the man of money. Even the relations between the sexes, between man and woman, become an object of commerce. The woman is auctioned off.""The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the true nationality of the merchant, of the man of money.""The law of the Jew, lacking all solid foundation, is only a religious caricature of morality and of law in general, but it provides the formal rites in which the world of property clothes its transactions.">The view of nature gained under the dominion of money and private property is a genuine contempt, a materialistic degradation of nature, such as exist in Jewish religion, if only in fancy.>It is in this sense that Thomas Münzer complains that “all creatures have become property, the fish in the water, the birds in the air, the plants on the ground—the creatures, too, must become free.”Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>the JQ will be solved if we give everyone free shit
>>25188899Wrong thread
>>25188899The ruling class are the ones getting gibs without doing any work, it's just a matter of cutting parasitic jews out of the equation
>EditedWhat gal
What advice would you ask her for, as aspiring writers yourselves?
>>25186227Reckon she'd let a man with (certifiably) better prose than her grope her arse and have a little go (a "go" in whatever form he deemed cromulent, that is)?
>>25186384Oh "test" is something you don't have, for sure.
>>25189370So it seems, perhaps some of them know but are too blinded by their indignation towards to formation of the words that anger takes over. Though, I highly doubt it.I replied too, but it was in a jocular manner. >>25186478
>>25186239based women respeteur
>>25189370Unfortunately.
were standards just different back then? I can’t really see a guy like him pulling today, when most women's baseline prerequisite seems to be tall, athletic and outdoorsy .
>>25188639>>25189555the correlation between profound intellect and inceldom is that a lot of introspective thinkers often were on the spectrum or at least neurotics who couldn't or didn't internalize gendered behavior as a given which was crucial to attract women who are more of a hive mind. Being a 'ladies man' means internalizing all the cliched gendered behavior women want in a man: confidence, assertiveness, being self-assured - how can one be all that if you're noticing things all the time. You will likely behave neurotic or even worse like a paranoid schizo, which historically gave women "the ick". To put in perspective: much like autistic kid at school full of wiggers cannot adapt to the slang and even if he tries his street smart peers immediately size him up, the neurotic intellectual couldn't perform the suave non-nonchalant masculinity that gets women wet.
>>25188639Plato was a Chad.
>>25189942A self loathing faggot. But maugre a great one.
>>25187476>akshuallyintelligence is one of the traits actively selected against
>>25189948Among British working classes, not real society. They also select for obesity and smoking. If that's the study you have in mind.
My granddad really enjoyed Against the Day by Thomas Pynchon and I want to buy him pic rel. Is it anything like Against the Day for those who've read it?
It's like a mix of Mann, Dostoevsky and Pynchon, in this order. It's erudite, presents a portrait of early 20th century Europe and dives into character psychology, but the only thing it has in common with Pynchon is the inclusion of science (specifically logic and alternative physics) into the narrative and its focus on history, which Mann also does. It's nowhere near as dense as GR, stylistically I'd say it's between Mann and Dostoevsky, with some neologisms. He's no Pynchon, but it's a fun read.
>>25189574>>25189787If OBAA movie is any indicator of Pynchon's writing, then Dukaj is leagues above him
>>25189906Pynchon is a master stylist. A hair below Melville/Joyce, but still top tier and I'd definitely put him above Dukaj. His writing has the same intensity, density and hallucinogenic quality as Shulz.
>>25189910You're fucking stupid
>>25189951
>Intellectually competent main character>An understanding of history and geopoliticsThis web novel mocks every single Mexican fiction writer, that's both laughable and depressing.Why does Latam literature have to be obsessed with garbage that has nothing happening, but it's written in 'pretty prose'?
>>25183937>This web novel mocks every single Mexican fiction writer, that's both laughable and depressing.Mexican here. We have bigger problems, like to churn out good genre fiction, locally you can find some good stuff but not like to export to other countries. Now, I remember reading from the LA Times an article, about something else entirely (criticising the Mexican Gov for their Injun LARPing while real life modern indigenous people get kicked out of their lands for Gov mega projects) and somewhere in the article it said something like "Mexico is a country of extremes; one that produces both, very high brow and very,very low brow culture" and I cannot agree more. The thing is, English speaking countries and East Asian countries (Korea and Japan particularly) produce the stuff they do because they have the social and economical conditions for that; Mexico is instead a handful of relatively developed Southern European cities surrounded that the most underdeveloped of South-East Asia. We are in North-America, but you know what I mean about the country being made up of Southern Europeans and East Asians >>25184660>But then again, i'm aware of the existence of Tezcatlipoca, a novel (and manga) by a japanese author about mexico so hey, maybe the west is as exotic to the east as they are to us.Indigenous people of the Western Hemisphere are exotic to Westernes themselves, not only East Asians. But yeah, "The West" as a whole can be "exotic" and is often romanticized by East Asians (the "Paris Syndrome" for example).
>>25186890I already explained why the isekai does not make sense at all.Here:>>25185857And here:>>25185951No, it is not a rational masterwork. It is pretty shitty. It is made for children or juveniles. >>25186907Okay, I can see why you miss most of what makes Rulfo great since that translation is extremely bland. And I can also see why you preffer Pedro Páramo, since it might have better translations.Anyhow, the point of 'her breasts' is that she was his sister and now has become a woman. It is a symbol, a very easy one to get, you know? And like his other sisters, due to the poverty, she will be either whored out or kidnapped by a man.It is actually an ironic and black comedy short story, but also terribly real.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25188256>Anyhow, the point of 'her breasts' is that she was his sister and now has become a woman. It is a symbol, a very easy one to get, you know? And like his other sisters, due to the poverty, she will be either whored out or kidnapped by a man.No shit. How is that deep, or intellectually compelling?I could go to Mexico city interview the prostitutes there and write the exact same shit in like a week.>>25188256It is not shitty, all his syllogisms are carefully made, granted you could argue about the historical accuracy, but it is well above anything that Rulfo ever wrote.
>>25183937ask borges
>>25188726How is your isekai thing intelectually compelling?The guy basically overcomes all problems by fantasy. He writes like a middle schooler.It is as intelectually complex as playing a strategy videogame.And if you like intellectual complexity, learn spanish and try to read Rulfo in the original version, that is intelectually stimulating and difficult. Try to decipher then Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz Divino Sueño. Learn grad school math...Literature should be like a puzzle, not a selfwanking exercise. You work on trying to make sense out of something you originally could not. It is an act of becoming. Isekai is the contrary of becoming. Is as if you 'already' had all the tools at your disposal to be god of the universe created by you. 0 real effort, 100% pretentious. Just juvenile and narcissistic.Why did I talk about symbols? You kept saying: "The rural guy was obsessed by her sister's breasts", missing totally the point of the story, which is an elegy of loss. He lost her sisters to poverty. The only sister that probably could have had a noble future lost her livelihood due to rain (the cow). She lost it in the point that she sexually matured, so she is probably fucked.You also said: "Stories about barking dogs", and the short story where a dog barks has nothing to do with dogs barking, really. So yes, I think you are not as intellectual as you claim to be. It all goes over your head.
Arberry can retire
What the FUCK dude
>>>/x/
>>25189848It's history little nigger
>>25189873Then please say more than "what the FUCK dude" like stoned surfer who finally put his handheld down and is only reacting to the cover. >>25189848Half of /x/ is panning out to be factual shit. This would be better than another fucking frog bait thread
>>25189920Basically it's a history of the confrontation between English 'Scarlet' and Continental 'Beast' freemasonry. There's a lot of Conspiracy BS, but the core idea is that English freemasonry is the more conservative inheritor of pre-christian traditions and french freemasonry is a radical humanist offshoot. This is IMO is super fascinating, especially given their historical evolution. For example the original French lodge was founded by Jacobite exiles who you'd typically think of as more reactionary. Yet today it's ultra-liberal and is in fact the very lodge Macron spoke in about the 'dark enlightenment' - i.e. contemporary reactionaries many of whom are self-identified Jacobites. Kinda funny.Also it's shocking how many well-known people were/are freemasons. Genuinely shocking.