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[something pithy and engaging]

Tomorrow morning 10:00am BTS the Character and Theme requirements of Lit’s writing competition will be released.

You will have until Monday 23:59 BTS to write and submit. (that’s an extra half day from the other comps.)

Submit via rentry.co – you can change the url of your submission to your story name to be identified easily.

Your writing must reflect the Character and Theme requirements – the character requirement doesn’t have to be your main character and the theme can be creatively interpreted, but those who just ignore it will not be voted for.

No word count, but anything over three thousand is most likely going to drag and no one wants to read your novel.

To submit, reply in the thread with your rentry.co url using a tripcode (Namefield: Name + “#” + Password).

If you submit you should leave meaningful feedback for at least two other stories. Put in what you want back. There aren’t many places on this planet to get raw, no filter feedback, and it’s the best way to keep sharp and improve.

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Man thank you so much for extending the deadline. I've been wanting to participate for months now but I just don't have the time to get a story done so quickly when I have so many chores to catch up with on the weekends.

Never used a trip before I hope I'm doing it right.

Here's my entry: https://rentry.co/3l1z4b3th4n

I admit I had trouble integrating lyricism in a way that didn't make me cringe, so I hope it qualifies. I tried keeping it pretty short.
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fuckkkk i think i can make it by the deadline
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>>24609781
Me too. I'm doing something... highly overpoetic and wrought over, flow-of-thought and it's going to be kind of short, so I hope it won't be too cringe. Few more hours before I melt in this heat. Good luck to all.
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Jus under SEVEN HOURS REMAIN!

great stuff so far, and great to see all these new faces. welcome all. I've got mine in the chamber, just polishing and polishing (more like rearranging commas) until the final moment.
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These deadlines are outrageous.

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I've noticed the reaction generally falls into two broad categories

>The transcendental/utopianist response
Where you cope through the hope that mankind will somehow be able to transcend its condition and tame the universe and create the idealised world we picture in our minds. It's almost pseudo-religious belief in this sense and promotes collectivist attitudes. Marx obviously comes to mind here though you see the undertones of this in people like Nietzsche as well.

>The detached response
The one where you give up hope of the situation ever changing and simply take life at face value. The rest of the world becomes meaningless with this attitude and the goal of life is simply to enjoy it. Camus exemplifies this the best.
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you obviously go to heaven where there's plenty of fruits and many women to your heart's desire.
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>>24609067
>Just kys now so you can prove how much of a badass you are.
I am already dead because I am amongst the living, and there’s no-thing to rush towards here, so why gild the lily?
If get to ride the contradiction of a mortal life for even a moment, I’m profoundly lucky. Living with the conscious awareness of death is why I don’t freak out and immediately turn to thoughts of suicide like you freaks.
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>>24605612
Why are people not as upset about where they were 200 years ago as where they will be in 200 years? That’s really the clue to unraveling this entire anxiety.
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>>24609927
This argument does not really work because for me the universe began when I was born. It never having existed in the first place is different from it having existed before being taken away.
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>>24609702
>Anon, dying is not that big of a deal. Everyone dies.
Yet you can't refute a single point I made. Normie retards like you seem to think everything has to be some sort of childish emotional knee-jerk reaction to something, and can't even conceive ot making decisions based on actual long-term calculation.

>>24609914
>I am already dead because I am amongst the living, and there’s no-thing to rush towards here, so why gild the lily?
>If get to ride the contradiction of a mortal life for even a moment, I’m profoundly lucky. Living with the conscious awareness of death is why I don’t freak out and immediately turn to thoughts of suicide like you freaks.
This is nothing but a bunch of platitudes. What the fuck is "ride the contradiction of a mortal life" even supposed to mean? Either you think life is valuable or you don't. If life is valuable, there's no reason not to get cryopreserved. If it isn't, there's no reason not to kys. Valuing your current life but not your potential future life as a reanimated being is an obvious double standard.

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If Martin Luther knew in 500 years his revolution would result in whatever this is, he would have shut up and paid his indulgences.
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>>24609873
>meanwhile, prothies:
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>>24609863
>vehicle for 20th century liberalism
>Catholics literally buy a vehicle for 21st century liberal pope

Why do people need to oscillate between one extreme and another? Just because extremely deranged Protestantism exists does not mean you need a political authority to govern your church and that you cannot commune with God through Jesus freely.
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>>24609945
Why would you ever be able to commune with God whenever you want? You're an ant.
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>>24609954
Can you explain to me why only the pope can do so? I am genuinely curious.

Why did Jesus teach his disciples to pray?
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>>24609958
To avoid taxes

system edition

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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

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>>24609805
>write 5000 words of heartfelt sloppa
>15% AI use
BRB rope
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>>24609445
seems like it's amazon or bust for harem
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Thanks, Google Docky, very cool.

I waited for this correction with baited breath. I always held a deep-seeded belief that Google's common phrases dictionary was, for all intensive purposes, correct; but it seems it doesn't pass mustard when you test its metal.
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>>24609942
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morels are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a six cents when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of morale righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the fax. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
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>>24609737
What I did was ask for examples in context instead, that way you learn how to write better. You get better really fast doing that as well.

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>read book from the 19th century
>random lines of french and latin in there
were you just expected to know 3 languages if you wanted to read books back then?
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>>24608860
>19th century
A bit too late, but earlier, only patricians were really reading books, and they would have learned other languages, yeah:
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I'm starting to get really conflicted about eating cows but they're so tasty.
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>>24608860
You're most likely reading authors from Europe where it was more normal to have that crossover.
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yeah any like even early 20th century or 19th century philosophy book will just throw a ton of latin and greek at you because anyone even slightly educated would know them, we were robbed
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>>24608860
>il ne parle pas français
oh tempora oh mores

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David foster wallace: threw a coffee table at a woman, raped a 17 year old while on tour, stalked a 5 year old child, pushed woman from a moving car, threatened to kill a guy.... why do literary people still stan him? "buhhh but uh irony is the problem"
>He pushed the poet and memoirist Mary Karr from a speeding vehicle.
>He threw a coffee table at Karr and shattered it.
>After attempting to pay Karr back for destroying the table he threw at her, he demanded that she give him shards of the table to keep.
>He stalked Karr and punched out her car window.
>He assaulted a student during a creative writing class he was teaching.
>He had sex with his creative writing students and, while on book tour, a 17-year-old.
>He stalked Karr and her five-year-old son, and threatened to shoot Karr’s husband with a gun he’d bought for that express purpose.

https://medium.com/@devonprice/a-brief-on-hideous-things-about-david-foster-wallace-72034b20de94?fbclid=IwAR3Te8EPX0-OZceCh4uHe2EjPQeqYPuGeOALA8z4JtCmz1BteW5o5ss23jQ
And you all still think he’s some self-help guru?
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>>24606334
>17-year-old.
YIKES
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>>24606334
The guy had some problems. So what? We gonna burn and salt his body because of it? What makes you so saintly?
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>>24606334
What was his problem with this Karr lady? Did he just really hate her poetry?
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>>24606334
Art students can do this not writers
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>>24609867
They were dating obviously. I wouldn't be surprised if my ex wrote smth like this even while I'm alive, so I really don't see the point of this post.

>fattie dies next week

What becomes the fate of ASOIAF afterwards?
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>>24609920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F
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>>24603491
Damn he looks warm and snuggly af .. that being said would I trust him around my two daughters ? No. I remember that close call with that mall santa. That twinkle in their eyes isn't all just benevolence. A teddy bear is still a bear after all.
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>>24609944
>would I trust him around my two daughters?
George writes smut but he does not disrespect women
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>>24609938
This is the sort of detail that can only happen when [bold][italics][underline]REAL PEOPLE[/italics][/bold][/underline] populate your stories.
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>>24603491
>Was applying to universities the same summer i was reading dance of dragons
>Figured the next book will probably come out around the time i finish university
>Graduated 9 years ago
>Have my own house, have had a stable job for years
>This fat fuck still hasn't finished the next book

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Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>Previous:
>>24594072

>Thread Question:
Should authors have real jobs or turn their writing into a career?
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>>24609144
who is this and how do I make her my wife?
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>>24609553
Each character/species/AI represents a different approach to consciousness. The vampires represent consciousness as experienced through a permanent semi-lucid dream state. The vampire stuff is a little distracting perhaps but maybe Watts felt "guy who zones out 99% of the time but then also pops off with the correct answers to complex problems without needing to think about them" isn't an engaging concept by itself.
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>>24609876
Asking that disqualifies you.
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>>24609847
Sarasti was fine. He's a fairly well rounded character with some nuanced motivations and relatively grounded, if occasionally slightly silly, strengths and weaknesses. Valerie jumped the shark with some truly preposterous intelligence-fueled superpowers.
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>>24609720
It would be extremely painful.

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Arthur Conan Doyle was Jack the Ripper
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>>24609778
I thought Ernest Dowson was
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>>24609778
Fascinating man and fascinating life story. Such a presence in London as he lived, and even after he died, with the aid of spiritual mediums. One means toward social immortality.
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>>24609778
Jack the ripper wasn't a single person.but a cult.
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>>24609963
well then arthur conan doyle was the leader of that cult or a major player at the very least

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>14 years
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>>24609952
And still alive.
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God is making sure he doesn't add sodomy to it so the show can be the only thing that is completely and forever accursed
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tfw 4 separate ASOIAF threads and not a single interdasting post between them. niggas love to harp on about how shloppy the prose is with simultaneously making new posts and threads in neverending pisstream ..

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I'm a fifth of the way through Heart of Darkness and am realizing that I'm getting none of it. It's cool prose and imagery, and I think I see some common threads: ecological harm, darkness and shrouds, civilization as a costume, can't really name much more off the top of my head because I'm not that great of a reader. But I don't get it. It's kind of made me realize that I don't know what I'm doing.

I picked up heavier books to see what the pinnacle of literature looks like, and while I've enjoyed a lot of these books, I think the imagery, metaphor, and symbolism aspects of many books goes entirely over my head. I re-read Blood Meridian and I'm still not convinced that I actually 'got' it.

I've got some questions to help uncover more. Answer as many as you want:

1. What's your reading process like? What has and hasn't worked for you?

2. Is there a thread or lineage of common literary imagery that I'm missing? I know that the Bible is referenced by both Blood Meridian and Moby Dick, but I haven't read it, so I don't know. How long would such a thing take to cultivate, and how do I do it?

3. How do you read? What are you looking for? I just read like normal, keep track of the plot, and let the mental image conjure itself then pick out similarities between scenes. Am I doing something wrong?

4. How does one get better at reading serious literature beyond reading more? I have no problems with the language itself. Is it a matter of doing research beforehand? Re-reading? Re-reading after each chapter? Letting things digest or pondering the novel after you're done?

And lastly, a really important one, which I hope most of you will answer:

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I make mental notes and forget them
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Bump.
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>>24607853
Don't worry, anon. If you only read things that you perfectly understood, you would never get better at reading. Mortimer Adler said that we should only read books "over our heads" because we need to exercise our ability to read difficult texts. Anyway, in answer to your questions:
1. I typically will read a book on its own first, because I don't want my impression of it to be influenced by what I already know about the author (although I do often know a bit before I start incidentally). I don't really annotate - I'm sure it would be good for me, but unfortunately I feel like I'm forcing it whenever I try, and it doesn't work for me. When I finish the book, I read up on the author and the context in which it was written, and often watch lectures about it.
2. Have you ever heard of Indra's web? Everything is influenced by everything else, and even those influences influence each other. You can't read literally everything. If you really want foundational knowledge, identify the absolute most influential works and read them. I recommend the Bible as well as Shakespeare's biggest works and Greek myth.
3. This seems the same as question 1.
4. I recommend the book How To Read A Book by Mortimer Adler. It answers this question far better than I could.
5. As I said, I don't really annotate.
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>>24607864
>>24608095
Taking notes while reading is for apple polishing schoolgirls.

>>24608456
Based.
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>>24607853
1
I just pick a book I like and read it. If it is too much for me and I don't understand anything, I will put it back. Maybe I revisit it a few weeks/months later and try again.
Watching an analysis of the book or something isn't for me. I want my first impression to be my first impression, and not that of someone else.

2
You probably need to read a fuck ton of literature to get every reference. But many authors or some works often reference a few other certain people.
Bataille likes Sade (for obvious reasons)
Bernhard likes Pascal and Voltaire (they were mentioned pretty often in Woodcutters f.e.)
Houellebecq likes Schopenhauer.
If you have some basic understanding which thinkers influenced the authors, you probably have a better chance of getting more references.

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Just reading it. Some books give me the feeling that I need a cigarette while reading it. So maybe I read it outdoors and when a part comes that makes me think, I smoke a cig and think about it.


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>Harry Potter is not reading. There is nothing there, just an endless stream of clichés. I cannot think that that does anyone any good. People tell me: 'Well, at least the child is reading.' To which my answer is: 'No, the child isn't reading.'
was he right?
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The Key to Harry Potter is Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
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>>24600758
>It’s a children’s series
There's beautiful, soulful literature out there aimed at children. That's no excuse for writing garbage
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>>24600659
Harry Potter isn't that bad lol. There isn't a whole lot going on but it isn't that bad

Is the child not reading? As a child, I first learned to read feeling highly motivated to specifically read harry potter. They were my first books, and it put me on a path to being ahead of the class for the rest of my life. I loved reading. Eventually got a masters in philosophy. Who is this guy anyways
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>>24600758

Harry Potter is the same as Capeshit.
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>>24600659
At the end of the day, Rowling will be remembered as an author of novels, while Bloom will be remembered as an author of whiny rants about novels.

You learning any language? I'm learning French, so if anyone has any interesting resources to share, feel free to drop them here

Right now I'm mainly reading Assimil and listening to Michel Thomas courses
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Language immersion is the Chad way to learn foreign languages. Flashcards? Fuck flashcards. Every store I go to is my flashcard. Want to know what flavor of potato chip this is? コンソメ味, motherfucker. Figure it out. Want to ride the bus to the hospital? Better find the bus that has 札幌市病院 written on it before you bleed out, you faggot. What are your daily vocab words? Whatever comes out of your girlfriend's mouth today. That's your vocab. Memorize it.

Enjoy your apps and exercises. I'm going to figure out if this mountain has any bears or not, as soon as I figure out the word for bear and mountain.
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>>24609722
I just read the Bible in the target language. If a word isn't in the Bible it is superfluous
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>>24609762
>learning a language by reading a translation in that language
Holy ngmi
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>>24609828
it's a fantastic method if you know the book by heart
not that you'd know
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Japanese.
Inputchads I kneel. Going all in on reading for 90 minutes a day and scarfing down millions of characters really did improve my literacy and listening comprehension by leaps and bounds. I shouldn't have doubted you.

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>someone posts an image of a book
>hurr you havent read it because its not damaged beyond repair and the spine doesnt have 13 extremely deep creases down the spine
are you people apes? almost none of the books i've read have any visible damage
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>>24607555
Meta threads are lazy—contribute something of value. Yes my books have creases yes or no if I they are very new wow, incredible.
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>>24607592
wanna talk on disc? I'm a schizo.
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>>24607555
every book i have ever read at least once has minor spine damage, and i am very gentle with books.
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>>24607555
As far as most of my books go, mine are all in almost the same condition they were when I purchased them. The only exception are larger volumes, which tend to have minor creases on the spine.
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>>24607585
>>24607899
You can easily prevent spine damage and it only takes 1 minute. The book will become unbreakable except for the passing if time.

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Before him people didn't exist and there was nothing. Say 'Thank, you, Bill'.
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>>24609883
Johnson and Coleridge.
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>>24609889
thanks
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>>24609866
>littards employ delusional mental gymnastics to explain how someone they think poorly of has identical taste to them episode 2940294
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>>24609861
Yeah, that's a cringe title all right.
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>>24609861
So did you not read it with this goofy reductive explanation or what?


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