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Why did Dante shit on Bertran de Born in his fanfic?
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Part of the reason dante meets all those souls are for cognitive intentional reasons. For dante all those judgements are cognitive conceptions of the human spirit that the love of beatrice or god provides the visionary intentionality where that can be visibly clarified. Also specifically bertran de born is that dante is often a monarchist or some such so that is reason to declaim a radical bertran de born for dante who is an exile. i am not sure whether dante thjnks about army of florence or if it was composed with mercenaries newly given gunpowder given to frequent dispute with pisa anyway that is all extraneous to this discourse which concerns the troubadour betran de born who apparently in the past dante held to be some sort of radical of a stripe or another. Much given flying the red or the black or guild disputes how does guelfs or ghibellines play into this anyways dante thought bertran de born to be some sort of radical whether positively or negatively it cannot be said that much can probably or possibly be asserted about this discussion topic from the past from the age of the renaissance.
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>>24630090
dante's entire life was defined and destroyed by factionalism, of course he would be harsh on someone like de born. this is incredibly obvious so i just assumed it was a rhetorical question.

>>24630101
tbf i like pound's aesthetics and i don't have strong feelings either way about milton. but as an actual person he had no character to speak of, he was all show.
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the max lawton of his time
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>>24629273
you wouldnt get it
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Dante actually fought successfully in wars and, like any sincere Christian, he didn’t consider war between Christians based but rather debased and a terrible symptom of mankind’s fall and fallen nature. Why would any serious Christian consider killing other believers and looting them and raping their women to be anything to glorify?

There's this debate going on in adv about whether zoophilia is morally reprehensible or not and they provided an academic defense for it, which I'll link below.

https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/article/3/2/255/htm

I'm not an expert in philosophy by any means, but I do know that there is something very wrong with the arguments that some of the anons are making. If there's an intelligent way that I can refute and hopefully discredit this article, I'd be very much in your debt if anyone here could help me.
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>>24630787
Theology itself can just be a set of arbitrary moral claims, though. If I assume, as a matter of theological belief, that fucking dogs is bad on a metaphysical level, just because it is, then how is that any less arbitrary than arriving at the same conclusion on a merely physical level: that it's wrong because it disgusts me? If anything, the physical argument seems less arbitrary—disgust is instinctive and intrinsic to my nature, whereas theological beliefs are a choice.

In case the distance between our understanding of the world and morality are too vast and it would be too arduous for you to explain your position to me, is there anything I could read that would lay out the basis of this notion that theology is necessary for morality, and that morals based upon theology are less arbitrary than morals which are arrived at by secular or materialist reasoning?

Oh and I suppose I should clarify that I'm not the guy you're replying to.
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>>24630022
>Zoophilia is unfortunately just one of those things that cannot be deemed morally wrong without religion
Would you like it if I fucked your cat or something?
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>>24630842
>Morality is what I'd like
Back of the line kiddo
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>>24630814
I'm sleepypilled. I'll reply tomorrow. Ultimately I'll argue that each system of ethics is arbitrary and circular only religious worldviews are consistent and my one moreso than others. You can find the TAG thread in the catalog where there are at least a handful of very insightful posts regarding epistemology or metaphysics, which just as well apply to ethics. Ctrl-f ancients within the thread and you'll find one. I'll give a more serious response tomorrow and give recommendations, just don't hold your breath.
Off the top of my head though
>All that disgusts is immoral
>Disgust is instinctive
>The same instincts that make man do disgusting things
Silly in more ways than one
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>>24629996
I think once we begin violently torturing and executing deviants again, that will be the best refutation.

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Are the differences in culture's magic system tropes random chance or do they reveal the assumptions/aspirations of that culture?

Why was medieval European magic primarily concerned with transmogrification?

Why African with curses/buffs?

Why Modern globalized magic with various sorts of projectiles?

And so on.

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"Every great philosophy so far has been... the personal confession of its author.”
Do you agree with this idea? What might your own philosophy reveal about you? And can philosophical thought be meaningfully analyzed from a psychological perspective?
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>>24629452
Mine tends towards Thomism but there's traces of existentialist, phenomenological, and pragmatic thought. To be fair im not entirely sure.
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>>24629452
Is this not obvious ? Noone can claim objectivity. Everything we do reflects who we are. It's why everything is so fucking embarrassing. Even lifting my finger to my face to move a hair-strand.
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>>24629495
You’re not wrong. Embarrassment, as you mention, is a reaction to being seen, to the awareness of self. Sartre would say hell is other people because they reveal us to ourselves. Even the flick of a finger might feel too much because it carries meaning.

But I meant that perhaps philosophy is just a defense mechanism of personality and can be studied as such. For example, Kierkegaard’s obsession with faith and subjectivity could just be a mirror of his struggle with anxiety and isolation.

Jean-Paul Sartre, in Being and Nothingness, proposed that we choose our philosophies as a way to cope with existential anxiety.

If philosophy is just a personal defense mechanism then debating it is pointless because you're not really discussing truth or reason, you're just clashing psychological defenses.
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>>24629529
>If philosophy is just a personal defense mechanism then debating it is pointless because you're not really discussing truth or reason, you're just clashing psychological defenses.
Yes. This becomes obvious when you've analyzed humanity enough.

A person's beliefs are pathological. They stem predominantly from genetic causes, from what one is. Kierkegaard was smart enough to intuit existentialism (this obsession requires a high IQ), but he could not take it and so recessed into irrational Christianity. This was also the case for Dostoevskiy (his Kirilov chatacter) and Tolstoy. Sartre was a "botched and bungled" being as Nietzsche put it and therefore saw human freedom as a condemnation ("we are condemned to be free") and was a communist (Bio-Leninist).

Ideas are downstream from psychology, psychology is downstream from genetics.

Thus, as you said, one with such intimation quickly realizes the irrationality of so-called "rational" argumentation and debate. You will not convince a communist out of communism, simply because it is in their best interest as an inferior specimen to be a communist. Humans are not rational animals. Your average oh so rational basedence-loving redditor is not a Darwinist, but a post-Christian moralist, because they subconsciously intuit this system as most favorable to them as biological beings.

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Hunter, why would parents doom their child with such a name? Flannel shirts. Mullet hair. Playful idiocy. How old before he can shed these shackles? His writing betrayed desperation. She looked at the sunlight as it shone on the trees: has sunlight always been this white? Was it because she did mushrooms two weeks ago that she now saw the world differently: as it was? She remembered when Hunter used a swear word when they were children, but she’d no certainty this was the same Hunter. She imagined probability as a number above zero. It looked like the light was emanating out of the earth and the trees, particularly the greens from the moss that clung gentle. It was then that she stepped on fallen branches. She sat down temporarily, as she always sat. While sitting, she laughed to herself at the cruelty of fortune. She knew she would award Hunter’s piece as the winner of the writerly prize despite it being only the third one she read with there being plenty left to read. She stood up decided in her next actions. She’d fly to Europe. She’d mosey around. She’d relay her choice to the prize’s organizers after landing. In Europe she could survive for 3 months without a visa. In those months Hunter would exist simultaneously as the childhood Hunter and a new Hunter; as quantum probabilities from the perspective of her. A delayed observation. A way to create her reality. Not to observe. To consciously not know, a quantum creation. Epilogues are lies of authenticity; pretending dullness separate from the one true end.

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Should've learned to poem!
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>>24629995
>actual smart people pave the way, create industry
>unthinking bottom of the barrel hordes flock to degree thinking they'll have it easy
>now saturated with millions of idiots who actually thought they were doing something
Keep posting those grindset memes tho lol
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>>24629995
So no one's going to remark on the irony of a jeet getting jeeted?
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>>24630727
If it’s not commercially viable, why bother?
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>>24630975
if u read the article she's actually an influencer who ended up taking a job in enterprise sales or whatever, more dopey reporting from the nyt
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>codefags create their own destroyer

get BTFOed nerds

>Bro check out this dystopian sci-fi novel. In this world, all of humanity lives in a giant skyscraper like 10 miles tall! All the rich people live at the top and wear gold uniforms, and they have robotic servants and super-healthcare that makes them live forever and be super attractive. But at very bottom, that's where all the poor people live, they all wear black uniforms and it's their job to deal with all the sewage and waste from the upper levels. The main character is a teenage girl from the bottom level but she has a love interest from the top level then together they start a rebellion. IT'S SOCIAL COMMENTARY! DID YOU GET THAT PART? RICH PEOPLE ARE LE BAD! INEQUALITY IS LE BAD! WAS THAT TOO SUBTLE FOR YOU? IT'S SO RELEVANT TO OUR TIMES IT'S SCARY!
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>>24629113
Blows my mind every time that there are actual people this braindead out there posting.
You can't be marginalized or oppressed if you're rich? I guess money just literally solves everything.
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>>24629124
Well, it isn't true. For one thing, it's immensely sheltered and naive, not born out of any real understanding of their own society and their role in it. Women are notorious for failing to understand how much of a luxury their luxury beliefs actually are, they transpose mentally the privilege afforded them in the halls of civilization as the way everyone naturally treats women.

White women hating their fathers and then joining shitcolors has about a 5% chance in resulting in anything other than rape and murder. The reality of this kind of fantasizing is--if you like a story--the fate of the abolitionists in Haiti, or any of a thousand sheltered European girls being raped and beheaded in Morocco or Turkey or whatever.

It is sort of like an upper middle class white man imagining a nuclear war and social collapse, and fantasizing about becoming the warlord of a tribe of post-apocalyptic barbarians riding around on dune buggies looting the old world--when the vastly more likely outcome is a slow death by starvation, radiation poisoning, or being shot by Jesse Plemons.
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>>24628804
This is only recent sci fi. I listened to a clarksworld episode that literally read like a mentally disabled tween wrote it.
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>human nature is dystopian
So what's the solution? Transhumanism or omnicide?
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>>24630974
Well that is the question, isn't it, and you can tell a lot about people by how they react to this. A certain phylum of people deny that human nature exists at all, demands massive destructive structural changes to civilization to try and make reality match the invented paradise in their head.

These sort of people should be killed. The correct answer is to file the fact next things like gravity of thermodynamics.

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Big Bad Wolf edition

Previous >>24620479

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

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based gook scholar
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>>24630775
Ah, that's pretty sensible desu. Pretty much avoids the clusterfuck Amazon creates with people stealing novels and putting them on Kindle.
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>>24630654
from what i can gather, i think i might really like the character/world design. but the chapter is rough,

consider (lightly) reorienting the reader each chapter. or now and then, anyway. i was nearly halfway through, and i couldn't really tell where they were, what they were doing, or what the stakes were.

dialogue should be doing more. and you'll want to work on building tension. really-- every scene should be working towards advancing the plot, or building character. or both.
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regressor-anon is fucking triggering me. the tag sounds terrible in english-- like a degenerative condition. fucking flowers for alrgeronon isekai? i forbid that specific usage of this this word
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algernon*, sorry i was FUMING

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For trunks and branches, grassy turf and rock,
Orlando hurled into the lovely wave,
Thus, he, in its far depths, the source did block,
Till its clear flow no more the banks did lave.
At last, he ceased, for having run amok,
All bathed in sweat, to weariness a slave,
His strength now failed his hatred, anger, pride;
He fell upon the ground, and skywards sighed.

Tired, and afflicted, thus, he slumped to earth,
And gazing at the heavens, said not a word.
Without food or drink he lay, while the birth,
Thrice, of the rising sun new light conferred.
His wound pained him ever, with the dearth
Of hope; and both his mind to madness stirred.

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>>24630602
his waifu (not to be confused with his actual wife) cucked him with a muslim
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>>24630602
Bro shordie ran off wit a nigha so he crashed out cheeked up inna woods
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>>24630602
This book is actually one of the most hilarious things ever made.

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Have you read any celebrity biographies?
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>>24624376
Nah, why would I? Why should I care?
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>>24624850
He's from a town I spent a lot of time in as a kid. Wonder if he writes anything interesting about it.
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>>24626960
yes (no)
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>>24628349
I read that too, and the one he did about musk. Also pic related. I've been meaning to read art of the deal.
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>>24627339
>>24624376
Am I retarded or do these covers not make any sense? Love of sports and playing Sara Palin? More is less, from loss, for more? The Life?

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Stop being a humanist. Stop reading Marx.
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Marx was not a humanist you faggot
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>>24630724
Sorry Louie, but Marxism belongs to the 19th century like a fish in water.
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>>24630521
I'll have you know i'm a 6'5 samoan construction worker, i'd wedgie you with my pinkie
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>>24630627
The german ideology or the grundrisse was still not read very much even back in the 2010s.
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>>24630148
Humans are a product of evolution, anon. If they were built to be equal they would be exempt from natural selection en masse

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favorite story? for me it's the lottery in babylon
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Death and the Compass
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literally me
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>>24630711
Is this better than Ficciones?
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>>24630992
Sweet pea, it’s the same thing
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>>24630995
Now I won’t read it cause ficciones sucked lmao

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I have been quite in my own head recently and want to read something that isn't of the norms with philosophy, it can either just be unique or completely batshit, I just want to hear what you fellas of /lit/ have
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Charles Fourier
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>>24630976
Hold on there anon are you trying to trick me into learning calculus
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>>24630969
I have one of his books on paganism and there's tons of spelling and grammatical errors. It's apparently worth big money though bc no loger listed on amazon
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>>24630982
I'm tricking you into learning the 72 different types of cuckolds
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Demons, Angels, and Everything In-Between Edition

FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.

Old thread: >>24509493
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>>24567943
How do you put interesting new twists on classic fantasy race archetypes like Elves and Dwarves? What about species or beings from mythology or folklore that would make good fantasy races that aren’t seen much, like picture related?
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>>24625957
Will do, that's a good idea.
Though if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them.
I want to keep them fairly medieval in their technology, but pseudo-fantasy stuff from scavenging human detritus is definitely on the menu
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>>24594964
Oops, sorry, honestly thought that I'd replied to this already. Thanks for the feedback! Do you have any more thoughts on what I can do for my Angels, BTW?

To clarify with the gods, I wasn't planning on limiting the gods to two domains each besides their element, does that change your answers? I'm also not sure on explicitly giving any one god "Life" as a domain, especially given the implications for healing magic. Still, this is a great start, thanks again!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was thinking that the different races were created by the different gods all combining their powers, with each race having two or three dominant elements in their makeup, so they primarily worship the gods that had the heaviest hand in their creations over the others.

I was thinking that their relationship would be more neutral leaning towards positive. The Light and Void gods tend to work on a more metaphysical level, the former constantly creating like a stream of consciousness writer, the Void god acting like an editor refining their creations and destroying that which would harm the world (monsters being creatures that slipped through the cracks). They formed first and act in a semi-parental way to the other gods, though technically they're all considered equals.

While the gods care about their followers to a degree, and will grant some prayers within reason, they're still their element, so the Fire god might burn down a forest not out of malice, but because that's what flame DOES, etc. Revering the gods is seen in part as a way to try and keep them happy and prevent any scuffles from going too far. They mainly communicate via their priests, but sometimes they create avatars to do certain tasks. If a person lived a good life, they go to the afterlife of the god they're most aligned with (they can choose between the options if there's a tie). What do you think?

Thanks for the recommendations!
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>>24615030
How old is this kid? How did they react to finding tiny people?
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>>24629151
I don't know if he actually found them, but they think he did. He would probably be between 7 and 9 years old, so pretty fucked up if they killed him with poisoned ballista bolts. And it would probably make the situation worse, but this border kingdom is quite paranoid and even considered fielding an army into his yard to hide and shoot him with ballista bolts tipped with poison. This would of course violate many treaties, and things go bad and power-seeking actors inflame the situation and war results.

Like a Coen Bros movie on a massive scale.

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[something pithy and engaging]

Tomorrow morning 10:00am BTS the Character and Theme requirements of Lit’s writing competition will be released.

You will have until Monday 23:59 BTS to write and submit. (that’s an extra half day from the other comps.)

Submit via rentry.co – you can change the url of your submission to your story name to be identified easily.

Your writing must reflect the Character and Theme requirements – the character requirement doesn’t have to be your main character and the theme can be creatively interpreted, but those who just ignore it will not be voted for.

No word count, but anything over three thousand is most likely going to drag and no one wants to read your novel.

To submit, reply in the thread with your rentry.co url using a tripcode (Namefield: Name + “#” + Password).

If you submit you should leave meaningful feedback for at least two other stories. Put in what you want back. There aren’t many places on this planet to get raw, no filter feedback, and it’s the best way to keep sharp and improve.

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>>24626144
Yeah, fair argument. Still a bit of a fuckaround but you could set a few pre-threads/posts with limited time windows. One a day before to say comp starts tomorrow, then announce the 6 options with a time limit. If meteor or the MVP hasn't shown up by [midday or whatever the kick off time is] and chosen, then you decide on the options. But might be more trouble than its worth
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>>24621463
Bumping for /icic/
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“/lwc/+/icic/ July 2025”
>72 pages
>6.37 MB

https://files.catbox.moe/2vvrkl.pdf

If you want to actually view it as a “book” through the catbox/browser pdf-viewer, go to the drop down menu and select “Even Spreads.”
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>>24628203
>https://files.catbox.moe/2vvrkl.pdf
thanks for this, beautifully put together
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On Friday I’m going to attempt a contest thread here on /lit/ with an image from /ic/ as the prompt.
The only requirement is that each submission can only be 3000 characters long, or one /lit/-sized post.
Prose, poetry, greentext, etc.—everything goes as long is it fits inside, and exists soley within, one text box.
Trips will not be necessary, because this contest will rely on judge(s)—no voting!
meteor, son of hermes, yodo: I invite any/all of the top three authors from August’s /lwc/ to be judges—you can put in as much or as little work in reading the entries (if there are any!) as you desire, because you have earned that privilege.
If you are interested, we have until Friday @6:00PM GMT to figure ourselves out—that’s when it will begin, and it will end Monday @12:00PM GMT, with our hopefully deciding on a winner somewhere withing the next 24 hours.
And when I say “figure ourselves out,” a simple “I’m in” or “Nah” will do—this should all be incredibly straightforward…
I have already decided on an image; the submission requirements take care of themselves; all you have to do as a judge is bump the thread, read, and pick your fav(s) after a day or two.
I have conceived this contest, prospectively called /WIBAC/ (Writing Inspired By Art Challenge), to be the most easy to join and easy to “run” as an online writing contest here can be—basically only the judges need to use their trips.
Now, what say you?


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