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Why are the medievals not studied anymore? Boethius, Saint John of the Cross... why are they igmored?
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>>24648251
They're not ignored at all, go to any educated and/or right-leaning Catholic parish and you will find plenty of people who read this stuff.
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>>24649303
>In general, the people writing philosophy were involved in full time contemplative, ascetic monastic lives,
Bullshit, students drank and rioted all the time, there was legalized prostitution, most monasteries were corrupt. Probably 70% of the male population was what we would now call alcoholic.
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>>24651568
>Probably 70% of the male population was what we would now call alcoholic.
Source: my ass
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>>24650123
>good I didn’t want to join anyway
You sound like a child.
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>>24650123
How did growing up without a father affect you?

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My wife and I have lost 2 children to stillbirth within a year, and I'm looking for books to help with this. I've read Job, and Ecclesiastes for a religious perspective. Plutarch's letters to his wife on the loss of their infant , and Marcus Aurelius' Meditations helped some in ways temper grief and keep us sober minded. I was thinking of picking up something like Beowulf for a courageous fatalism, or maybe an early church theologian who grappled with even greater loss.
I'm not extremely familiar with any fiction that touches on this, and even less familiar with non western conon. Though any book that might help understand this would be helpful
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dead baby joke
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>>24652144
I'm sorry to here that, man. Grief is something that really gets ahold of you and doesn't let go. I've heard A Grief Observed by Lewis is very good but I haven't read it myself. He wrote it after his wife died. Wish you the best.
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>>24652160
>>24652181
I mean, the last one was 3 days ago, so I'm not worried about wallowing long in grief. I'm more just trying to find stories of men in the past or in great stories got through tough times themselves, and what they believed that gave them the strength to stay strong.

It seems the western answer to suffering is to greet fate with courage, and to accept our inability to fully understand why. I find some strength in that, but want to know how to get the fire back in my chest to hold such courage.
I know much greater men than I have suffered much greater and come out like Abednego from it if anything stronger. I'm sure some of them wrote a few notes for us.
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>>24652144
The man never wrote a book, but read about Horatio Spafford's life, he's the man who penned "It Is Well With My Soul", his loss is the reason he wrote that hymn
I wish I could help more, God bless you and your wife, I'll pray for y'all tonight
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>>24652181
>>24652216
Thank you 3 anons for being good people
>>24652167
I know it's all funny, but you stop laughing once you've experienced loss like this. You may understand when you get older, or never at all
>>24652212
Good comic relief, A+
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>>24652144
Man's Search For Meaning
Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians
It may be worth your while to look for some "self-help" or psychology-type books specifically about this topic; they would probably contain some insight from people who have been through this before.
Take this all with a grain of salt, as I have no children myself. I will pray for you anon.

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Looking for books like Autocracy Inc and Spin Dictators but more empirical and with ideological bias.
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>>24652299
*with less ideological bias I mean.

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A thread for the continued discussion of the entries of the /wibac/ thread >>24640140.
Winners: >>24648889

Also, since I also got permission from the artist to use this image (>>>/ic/7658488), feel free to write about it if you want.
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>>24651250
Seconded.
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>>24650300
>if they're always thinking critically
I don't think someone who willingly reads AI a lot is going to be very critical, bro
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>>24651250
>>24651445

Sorry for the delay, gents.

DHAMMAZEDI
I chose this as my #1 (though a tough call; there were many standout stories for imagery, nice language or pure imagination) largely for the economy and restraint displayed. Most writers on here (me inc.) tend to either a) veer too much towards making a unique voice, full of colour and dazzle, but end up with something a bit purple that for all its flash and fireworks isn't saying a whole lot; or b) try to tell a plain, simple story, which is admirable, but end up with something largely boring or obvious or otherwise "yeah? so?", and usually rendered in a blunt, dead, no-nonsense prose that would make Papa Hemingway himself ask for a little more life. So I guess (for me, I'm still not that comfortable with this much power and think we should go back to the more democratic vote from /lwc/s) D's "Blush Temple" story succeeds in that the language is a little flashy but never outright masturbatory, never gets in its own way, and the story itself, told as a kind of distanced journalism, has establishment, growth and resolution in short but not rushed order, and there are enough layers of simulacrum being peeled (from OP pic > failed film > children's deranged reenactments > newspaper article > the story itself) to sustain a fascination despite the simple, straightforward structure. It reminds me a bit of Ballard, in that everything seems pregnant with meaning/interpretation, and how a plain report can become a kind of fable. I would've liked to see mention at the end of the Blush Temple now becoming a popular selfie site for Japanese dark tourists (hence the OP pic), and the word "entire" is probably used a few too many times, but otherwise I thought it was pretty fucking good.

I'll share my thoughts on a normal dog and Hart Glass tomorrow
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>>24651666
Good, measured critique. Thx Heng. Journalistic sums it up.
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>>24651165
I recommend you to not link your other stuff, there's a schizo crab here with a hateboner for everyone who writes. He stalks anons and post their work (edited by AI to change names) pretending to be them
>t. Oldfag

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Whats the deal with Buddhism?

>Theravada
A very life denying iteration in which the biggest plotholes were intentionally left unfilled by the Buddha because they weren't "productive" to know or understand. You know, questions like does one continue to experience in parinibbana after becoming an Arahant? Theravadins will often tell you no, but if thats the case, its just death.

>Mahayana
I'll admit, Madhyamaka in particular is deeply interesting, especially because you can observe, right now, some of the fundamentals of Buddhist emptiness, like the interdependence of all objects. But a lot of it is genuine cope, especially when you get into Vajrayana. China, which produced many major Sutras Mahayana practitioners follow and study, also produced a ton of just straight up slop that was written with a clear agenda.
Vajrayana (the esoteric subset of Mahayana)is worse, they have oracles who, to this day, are adding on new rules, or adding exceptions to pre-existing rules because of dreams they had. Originally Tibetan monks couldn't handle money, or accept money for teachings until a Tulku had a dream and said it was fine, which Patrul Rinpoche specifically points out as a critical turning point for corruption in their system.

Many Chinese practitioners for example don't eat onions, garlic, etc because a sutra written 800 years after the Buddha's death, but is still attributed to the Buddha, says that eating non-bland food will trigger you to become overly attached to life and that you should give up adding flavor to your meals. The Mahayana cope for this is that the original Buddha stored all of his teachings in an alternate dimension for the "real practitioners", which is why he taught none of it originally. That, historically, has to be one of the biggest copes in human history. Like just admit a lot of this shit was made up by randoms after the fact.
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>>24651291
all this gobbledygook was written hundreds of years after buddha, really makes you think
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>>24651987
and the first suttas were written down hundreds of years after the death of the buddha. we don't know exactly what he taught and what words he used, but we are all entitled to interpret it to fit our needs.
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>>24652002
>self-view
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>>24652270
Not quite. The first major batch of Suttas were written 40-60 years after his death. The oldest Sutra was about 250-300 roughly.
New research says that parts of SN were written possibly just a couple of decades after his death, and there would still have been practitioners alive that met him personally.

You're right about interpreting it to fit your needs, because the first Sutra didn't come about until after the schism when a bunch of people were kicked out of the Buddhist council for suggesting wild shit.
Does this mean the Suttas are perfectly accurate? No, but its completely logical to assume they are much more so than the Mahayana Sutras.

The tantras/kangyur are without a doubt fan fiction however
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>>24652295
>SN
which parts? is that Samyutta or Sutta Nipata?

>age
>how many books you've read
>how many books you own
>favourite book you've read
>least favourite book you've read
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>25
>around 60
>around 50
>The Sound and the Fury
>The Marrow Thieves
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>>24650861
>age
Don't keep track
>how many books you've read
Don't keep track
>how many books you own
Don't keep track
>favourite book you've read
Don't keep track
>least favourite book you've read
Don't keep track

Point?
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Read it 'ores
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32
Idk
Idk
As I Lay Dying
Kings of The Wyld
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>>24652265
whoa...

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Language evolves
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>>24651667
Then why aren't you writing in Early Modern English? And what criteria are you judging that by?
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plastic meme slop lingustic debris is fine if incorporated into otherwise erudite and grammatical english, imo
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>>24648653
Orwell is a retard. He doesn't know what he's complaining of. I know who you are.
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>>24648788
From my lexicography courses I remember like 10-15% words change every decade. I you weight in frequency it's even bigger than this.

And from the lexicograph experience I never had, I can tel you they know they'll get rid of these ridiculous meme words in a couple years, it's just for marketing.
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Imagine how much better off we'd be if Swift got his way and instituted a governing body for this stupid language.

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Is Solaris and other shit by Lem worth reading or is it just commie propaganda like Philip K Dick said?
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>>24651127
he has other serious stuff like the invincible
i also really liked his masters voice
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>>24649863
>Be Lem
>Make American schizos lose their mind by virtue your artistic range and mastery of prose
KEK
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>>24651127
I recommend you look for Hospital of the Transfiguration then. It's about mental institution in german-occupied Poland. Very heavy stuff.
He also wrote some philosophical essays concerned with technology and futurology, and at least one detective thriller novel that's kind of weird and I forgot most of it by now.
It's also noteworthy that towards end of his life Lem developed very low opinion of most of his works and considered them garbage he mostly wrote because it was making him money.
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>>24648707
>is it just commie propaganda
lem was not a believer in communism and iirc only some early work he later renounced ever references it. mostly he writes in such a way as to avoid the issue and make it ambiguous what the economic system is back on earth. and then some of the satirical ijon tichy stories are very obviously anti-communist parables set on wacky alien worlds so as to avoid censorship.

iirc dick's schizo theories had less to to with the content of lem's writing and more with the idea that he was trying to "demoralize" american authors (because lem had published essays in english in which he took a giant steaming shit on all american science fiction)
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I read congress of futurists when I was like 14 my grandpa gave it to me and I remember it was my first expierence with weird fiction. I don't remember shit just that it was strange as fuck but I enjoyed it
apparently wikipedia has a plot summary I recommend reading it it's even better than I thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress

Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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>>24644022

>Thread Question:
How do you feel about authors who create their own languages/words to use within their book? Do you like the world building or do you find it distracting, especially if there is a glossary you have to keep referring to?
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Uh...

I'm thinking Horse.
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>>24652053
>gemmell

I can only handle so much of the same shit over and over.
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https://www.skwishmi.com/interests/baf.html
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>>24652165
>>24652165
I started this way back in high school and put it down. Remember it being like a proto-Shonen anime with a completely incoherent plot. I still have it, though not the edition pictured. Should I pick it back up?
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RRfags, Red God is reportedly so long that the publisher is putting some pressure on Pierce Brown to split it into two books. How mad would you be? If you had to choose between 2 books with everything Brown wants to put in them or 1 book with some stuff cut but you get it released sooner, which would you pick?

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>And one of the things that is so fascinating - one of the reasons I love being a clinician is people are insanely interesting once they tell you the truth. Everyone's a Dostoevsky character. Crazily complex and this is true even for people - for so-called 'simple people'. There's no such thing as a simple human being. There are people who are less verbally sophisticated, and less cognitively sophisticated for that matter, but that doesn't mean they're without their depth.
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>>24650288
>to respect his students gender pronoun requests
So not encouraging his students mental illness? Sounds reasonable.
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>>24650129
>niggas
>spamming about jews and satanism and cuck porn and troons

You're exactly what >>24649798 is talking about. I hate people like you with every fiber of my being, as do the rest of 4chan users. Please go back to fucking plebbit.
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>>24650358
Jordan Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. There is no evidence he was abusing it or taking it in a higher dosage than directed by his physician. He experienced a severe side effect from said medication culminating in his seeking treatment in 2018. This side effect and symptoms related to it were not listed on the medication until 2019--after Peterson had gone public about his symptoms.

In a nutshell, Jordan Peterson sustained a neurological injury from his medication. This affected his immune system and his body began reacting to random foods he normally had no problem consuming. For example, people who experience the same side effect will have histamine responses to food and drink they were not allergic to in the past. Basically, their body has seemingly random immunological responses that vary in severity and degree. On top of this there are also adverse effects on the regulation of the parasympathetic nervous system. As far as the later is concerned psychological symptoms arise (e.g. a sense of dread/terror, lack of impulse control, sleep regulation, appetite regulation, etc).

When Peterson stopped taking his medication due to the above he experienced severe withdrawal symptoms. This is not due to an "addiction" but rather a physical dependency that commonly arises from wide range of medications. Akathisia is one of the worst of such symptoms as it creates an insatiable sense of restlessness. This is not simple anxiety although anxiety may arise due to akathisia which is itself a motor disorder. The reason this symptom is labelled "subjective" is because it is qualitative and patient reported. The pain one has during a migraine or a cluster headache is also "subjective"--this doesn't mean the pain doesn't exist.

Peterson sought treatment in Canada but was given a poor diagnosis and thereby sought treatment at a specialized facility that developed an experimental treatment regimen specific to the symptoms he was experiencing. He was put into a comatose state so as to negate extreme withdrawal symptoms and to avoid further neurological damage. The treatment was a success and in the years since he has continued with him life and found success in multiple endeavors.

People who want to attack Peterson try to label him as a drug addict. In so doing, they wish to bring in the connotations associated with addiction as a way to defame him. In realty, Peterson had a physical dependency on medication, as many people do, AND had a server side effect, unknown at the time, that compounded the dangers of simply tapering off the drug. No loaded language is needed to describe what actually happened; an appeal to the facts at hand alongside information relating to such experiences themselves suffice.

Here's a medical doctor who specializes in the treatment of medication withdrawal explaining exactly what Peterson went through:

https://youtu.be/C_32icvWpIg
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>>24649495
He successfully made himself into a philosopher-figure, which is a commendable feat in our anti-intellectual culture, but I do not think his ideas are insightful enough to justify their popularity. I think his personal failures are far more interesting than anything he says; it is at once humorous and tragic to see a man repeatedly fail at realizing fantasies fed to him by his own followers.
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>>24644053
juden peterstein

Antiochian edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>24632352

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
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>Mέγα τὸ ANE·
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>Work in progress FAQ
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All Classical languages are welcome.
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>>24650905
goddamn that's an ugly image
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>>24650905
he's also one of my favorite busts(no homo)
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>>24643783
it seems like many / most anons choose latin over ancient greek to study or start. ancient greek seems the more daunting of the two, but contains within it more literature personally interesting. what's (you)r experience and reason for studying ancient greek, especially if you chose to study it alone or at least before latin ?
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>>24652158
yeah for me it just felt natural after I reached a good plateau with Latin, I didn't even think about the quality of the literature beforehand, just seemed a natural thing to do "I know Latin decently, would be a shame to not learn some Greek too", sort of thing
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>>24652158
Wanted to read Homer. Simple as

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was the scouring of the shire really necessary? are people too forgiving of Tolkien's writing?
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>>24652091
I love people desperately trying to make the work of a man who despised allegory, allegorical.
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>>24652111
I didn't say it was an allegory, Tolkien drew his experience of war from ww1, and fascism and anti-Semitism was a popular stance amongst those of the allies at the time.
If we can praise him for drawing experience of warfare and the destruction of the Shire to his experience to the English countryside then I'm allowed to assert that the temptation of the ring and the various traitors we see could have been drawn from the seduction of fascism Tolkien saw in his fellow man.
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>>24652196
Politically Tolkien is complicated by modern standards. He disliked the Nazis and sympathized with Jews, but on the other hand, he was staunchly supportive of Franco and the Nationalists in Spain.

I think probably the best way to categorize him is as basically a Catholic Supremacist. There's the Church and there's everybody else. Franco wanted to do good to the Church, so he's good in Tolkien's eyes. Hitler wanted to do bad to the Church, so he's bad in Tolkien's eyes.
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>>24652091
It is possible, but the ring is generally representative of something far bigger than a single ideology or object. It is more or less the physical embodiment of evil: powerful in the moment, corruptive, seductive, pleasurable but ultimately leaves you hollow; after a certain point you can no longer be said to be using it, but rather it uses you.
Many things in the early 20th century could have influenced it, including fascism, socialism, other ideologies of the time, the new weapons rolling out, etc.
What people don't seem to get about Tolkien is that yes, he infused his work with his experience, yes he hated allegory, but what he did was distill abstract essences (forms, one might say) from his influences and reconstruct a symbolic framework that carried the same essence.
The war of the rings bears a lot of resemblances to the world wars, for Tolkien's experience comes from that, but he generalizes it to be communicate universally what he took away from his experience.
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>>24652245
For Saruman the temptation was industry and order.
For sauron it was domination and tyranny

It think the ring represents all of the above depending on whoever is looking at it. Many socialists espouse ideals of working together with their fellow man, but they also dispensed the most murderous policies in the world.

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>>24650546
Shakespeare
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Henry James
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>>24650546
McCarthy. At least to my ear, less punctuation makes for better rhythm.
>The grasslands lay in a deep violet haze and to the west thin flights of waterfowl were moving north before the sunset in the deep red galleries under the cloudbanks like schoolfish in a burning sea and on the foreland plain they saw vaqueros driving cattle before them in a gauze of golden dust
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>>24650546
swift, poe, melville
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>>24650546
William Gass is notorious for his poetic rhythm

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Has anyone seen the Kerouac-Buckley interview on Firing Line? It's top kek. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgv7ur8ipg

>drinks a fifth of whiskey before the show
Based
>mocks the other panelists and exposes them as pseuds
Very based
>drunkenly shills for Catholicism the entire time
Extremely based
>compares himself to Dionysius the Areopagite
UNFATHOMABLY BASED
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>>24652071
>brotard or political hack
ah yes you mean you prefer to be spoonfed by someone with authority like *checks notes* people whose lives are mostly built around maintaining this facade that only people who act like fart sniffing intellectuals are capable of intellectual thought or the only reliable sources
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uhh uhh like literally like i just wanna do drugs maaaaaaaaaan but take me seriously
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>>24652092
No, I prefer the interviewer to have some basic intellectual understanding of something other than chimps and “the craft” of chairhumping on a stand up stage.
>>24652078
Those are some good ones. He opens up quite a bit about having projects fail and having to sell out to fund the next one. Herzog has some good lines in his bio about having to lie, cheat and steal to get his projects done. Writers suffer less from that particular “one for me, one for them” output though. It’s more often having a dayjob and writing on the side. Or being a journalist/copywriter as a base.
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>>24652124
>prefacing everything you say about yourself by trying to put down something else
how's this personality trait working out for you
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>>24651593
Thinking Kerouac's behavior is anything but embarrassing proves that the beats are supposed to be a phase you go through in your teens. The further into your 20s you get still thinking the beats are cool the higher the likelihood you're a pathetic waste that will never amount to anything worthwhile.

Anyone had a similar experience?
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>>24650017
yes gave this to my gfs mom before i knew what was in it
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>>24650017
i will now read your spicslop
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>>24652217
That episode is actually based on HG wells Time Machine.

The narrator (Courage) goes into a future where the evil master species (The monkey/ warlocks) live in a cavern underground and breed the slave race (bananas/ Eloi) to be their food though the slave race doesn’t realize it and thinks they are being reborn
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>>24650017
>description = approval
many such midwit cases
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She was 9 years old


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