You gotta be autistic to give a shit about made up hairy barefoot manlets and their unremarkable traditions
>>23290253Seriously this is LITERALLY less fun than reading the church pamphlets with random verses from the Bible on them
Based
>>23290253You are a part of the industry, aren't you?
It’s called lawd of dem rangs and the characters are black chuds
Sorry you feel that way. I find the opening chapters in the Shire fun. The Shire itself is like a character you get to know. It's important to show what Frodo is leaving behind, and what he and Sam want to preserve. Have a bit of patience. And don't skip the songs.
>>23290253You say that without saying the reason, fuck off this trash thread.
>anons will eat this shitty bait right up, gladly
try the silmarillion ya pussy
Lmfao yeah its actually funny how boring it is, I think you have to be a teenager to get into it or some sort of manbaby adult who likes feeling comfy with his poopy pants diaper fantasy book about all the comfy gandalf wizards and dwarfs and dragons
>>23291775t. chronic masturbator, regularly consumes fast food
>>23290253>Sauron is up to no good! I must inform my good friend Sauronman!Bravo Tolkien.
>>23291782Alternatively, a depressed alcoholic drug addict who reads Russians and hates himself, making him incapable of understanding the concept of fun.
>>23290277Black chuds you say? That's a new one.
When did literal midwit normies take over /lit/?>pic rel: ancient Bilbo
>>23291893Bluds. They're the new Bloods. Red v. Blue and all that.
>>23290253I remember having a big hurdle reading this at 11 or 12, with the long hobbit preamble and songs and a bunch of shit that felt irrelevant at the time. Got sucked in after that though and read through all of them in a couple of days. I think the pacing can give people trouble but you should be over that before you finish the first book.
>>23290277I'd have probably gotten further than the council of Elrond chapters if the MCs were black chuds.
I admit I'm struggling to finish the Hobbit. Is LotR any better or is it more of the same? Should I continue? I really enjoyed the LotR movie trilogy if that helps.
>>23292408They're quite different.>The HobbitWritten primarily for his children.>The Lord of the RingsWritten primarily for his own enjoyment but for the enjoyment of this children now grown up.
>>23292430but also for the enjoyment of his children now grown up
>>23290253those covers are an utter travesty, who approved that fucking slop?
>>23292460Ooo, those are nice.
>>23292566iirc they're the tolkien's original cover designs, but bc they would have been too costly to produce he chose to use a more minimalist layout instead
terrible bait op kys
>>23290253I read like 80 pages of it last night, it's very good and fun.
Tolkien is the best writer of fantasy.May as well give up on fantasy, because anything that isn't tolkien is dogshit.The point of tolkien is that his autismo and autistic imagination is comparable to create a complete wortd, with a complete history, biography, languages.It's a marvel of human imagination, and the template of basically an entire genre.Anything after tolkien is just a poor imitation of his autismo.Sorry OP, but you need to at least understand the context of the book before talking shit about it.
>>23293054>Tolkien is the best writer of fantasy.There were plenty of better fantasy authors before him. If anything, he ruined fantasy, regardless of how good his stuff was.
>>23293427sounds like cope of lesser writers.
>>23293435It would be retarded for them to use that to cope since they were the ones who decided to just make all of their shitty books Lord of the Rings but worse.
>>23290253>LOTR is boring WAAAAAHNot this shit again.
>>23290281It also serves as contrast and a comparison between the naive, idle environment Frodo comes from and the dark journey ahead of him. It is absolutely integral to the story and the character, besides, it also makes a lot more sense in hindsight in why Tolkien decided to have the first two opening chapters be so lighthearted and different in tone. You also have to account that he was making an expansive world rich in history and detail, and it was needed to show you what happened years later after Bilbo finished his journey with the dwarves and what changed in the interim.
>>23293054Shut the fuck up, you clearly never read Zelazny.
>>23293427>there were plentyName five, doofus.
>>23295756Lord DunsanyFritz LieberHope MirrleesE R EddisonMervyn Peake
>>23295756I'll name more than that.Arthur Edward WaiteKenneth MorrisWilliam MorrisGeorge MacDonaldLord DunsanyWilliam Hope HodgsonEdgar Rice BurroughsRobert E. HowardT.H. WhiteE.R. EddisonPearl PoetC.S. LewisClark Ashton SmithGeorge SterlingMichael DraytonEdgar Allan Poe
>>23295818Add Pyle and Lovecraft (Dream Cycle) in there.
>>23295818>better
>>23296145Yes, all of them are better fantasy authors than Tolkien.
>>23290253Maybe it was because of how much Tolkien fags hyped him up but I can't fucking stand his prose or need to go off on some dumb tangent every other sentence.I should just finish reading Gormenghast.
>>23290898>literally can’t read op’s one line Lol average lotr fan
I’m sure the OP is bait but enough anons are echoing it that it is fair to say Tolkien can be a lot lengthier than most folks care for. It’s been many years but it took me a long time to get through The Hobbit and I never made it through Fellowship of the Rings. Great stories but too many tangents and side characters for a single novel. The Peter Jackson trilogy was a great adaptation because it hit the relevant plot points and stayed away from entire chapters involving characters that really go nowhere. As some other Anons pointed out there are other authors more to the point like American pulp writers like Robert E. Howard.
>>23292408Stick to your tv shows kidSeriously, if someone has to twist your arm to read basic shit like Tolkien or Rowling, you have no hope (zero (0) chance) of reading anything actually worthwhile like real classics, history, philosophy, or science. Unironically, give up and veg out to some goybox. I hear they came out with a new series on Alexander the Great; I'm sure it's totally accurate and gives you a perfect reason not to *have* to read Plutarch. Phew! Amirite?
>>23292408The Hobbit is for children. Literally. Kek
>>23295818>Poe>Greater than TolkienPut down the crack pipe, Abelard. >>23295814>>23295818You see, the problem here is, by modern conceptions, most of those don't even qualify as fantasy. Tolkien is such a colossus, you may as well define the genre by B.T. and A.T. And by that qualification alone, your claims are undone. But Drayton, Poe, Morris, ect.,. c'mon, NOT fantasy in any way which can be compared to Tolkien. Poe...lmao, what were you thinking?
>>23296813No, they aren't. You're just another contrarian. Dime a dozen, you.
>>23295814>>23295818>occultist retard>contrarian
>>23297347>They're not better than tolkien cause...cause...THEY'RE JUST NOT OKTolkien is very much overrated anon.
>>23297344No surprise that many of those authors wouldn't fit under the umbrella if you define fantasy strictly along post-Tolkien lines.>But Drayton, Poe, Morris, ect.,. c'mon, NOT fantasy in any way which can be compared to Tolkien. Poe...lmao, what were you thinking?Yeah, I guess not, if you think world building is all that goes into making good fantasy. Poe is incredible, but since it sounds like you're scoffing at the mere mention of him, I can only guess you're just bitter about having had to read him in school. >>23297347I love Tolkien. It isn't contrarian to say that one of my favorite fantasy authors was outdone. And the truth is, fantasy is much, much better served in verse.>>23297429It only makes sense that theosophists and other occultists would be great at writing fantasy. Just as Tolkien had a wealth of knowledge to pull from, so did they.
>>23297487
>>23295818>>23295814>>23295756>>23293427The great thing about authors like Tolkien and Lewis is that they didn't sit around measuring their metaphorical dicks; they loved fantasy for the joy and the culture, and didn't stoop to /lit/-tier arguments of who is "better" than whom. Lewis and Tolkien were good friends until their falling out and both were great admirers of MacDonald and the like. Get over it like they did
>>23297734Hobbits being barefoot was even inspired by MacDonald's barefoot goblins that had no soles/souls.
>>23297734Eat shit, posturing pseud. No one needs your mothering.
>>23297452Thanks for that, midwit. You argued in the same fashion you were criticizing, btw. >>23297487If that's your only guess, you're a poor guesser. Poe is bottom-of-the-barrel for literature. Can he write? Sure. Was he creative? Sure. Is he a master? Not by a long shot. Poe is the aperitif of literature. >occultists>great at fantasyThey're shit at it, however.>>23297763That's a solid 5/10.
>>23290253What is the LotR of the zoomer generation?
>>23298738skibbidi toilet
>>23293054>May as well give up on fantasy, because anything that isn't tolkien is dogshit.Lmfao no
>>23298766One look at that guy, and it's obvious his wife fucked black men.
>>23298647He's right tho. Stay mad /lit/let
>>23298784Oh, did I hurt your feelings when I cursed at your mommy, faggot?
>>23292408if you're struggling to finish a children's book, you may actually be retarded.
>>23298781The fuck is wrong with you anon
>>23290253I don't want to sound like a contrarian fag, but to modern standards, it doesn't hold up. It's too slow-paced and the magic doesn't follow any apparent rules, and the cultures of all races seem to have stagnated for literal thousands of years, just decaying very slowly and just living day-by-day instead of actually doing something.But i do appreciate his works and the foundation he and others laid for fantasy to become what it is now. The epic worldbuilding, interesting fantastical creatures, heroic storytelling.
>>23298766>character goggles at conan's steely thews rippling under bronze skin as he fights like a timber wolf or pantherThat's 90% of every conan story.
>>23299620>to modern standards, it doesn't hold up.retarded zoomer argument. What the fuck are modern standards?
>>23298781He never married and it's actually debatable if Howard ever had sex. Can't get cucked if you're a virgin.
>>23298889>being this madThe only one hurt is you, little sensitive queer.
>>23290253You will go to hell.
>>23292460>>23292566The duality of Atani
