This shit is so fucking boringwhat am i missing?
>>23307367a brain
forced to read it during high school and it really is a chore
>>23307370i have that and im at story 13. the most mundane, anti-climatic and insipid stories ive read in a while. I cant understand why theyre so highly lauded. do i need some specific knowledge of late 19th/20th century politics in ireland to grasp these shit stories or something? explain to me, genius.
>>23307367>This shit is so fucking boring>what am i missing?Empathy, an understanding of Irish culture
>>23307367Anybody who says they like Joyce can be written off as a pseud pretending to be intelligent. Nobody has ever been able to describe in detail why anything that the Pervert ever wrote was valuable as anything other than toilet paper.
>>23307395Anon should have been more accurate, what you lack is soul.
>>23307436joyce should have written interesting stories these nebulous replies are hilarious >you lack le empathy>you lack le soul>le brainshut the fuck up and explain why this shit book is good
>>23307445What I said wasn't wrong. If you both have no empathy while also having no Irish heritage or desire to understand Irish history then you're not going to enjoy it. Just like how I imagine someone with no sex drive won't enjoy porn. And it is still great regardless of your contrarianism and inability to engage with it.
>>23307367Perhaps sci-fi and fantasy is more your jam. Perhaps nuance and subtlety is also lost upon you
>>23307436Joyce didn't believe in the soul.
>>23307492i get its about disappointment, revelation, paralysis etc of real life situations but its also just fucking boring.
>>23307367>“Thought is the thought of thought.”James Joyce, UlyssesI defy you to find something as brilliant, concise, and profound as this phrase.
>>23307370Came here to say this.OP completely destroyed.
>>23307395>mundane, anti-climatic and insipidThat's the fucking point, you illiterate oaf.
>>23307619The point is that it's boring? Kek
>>23307636Yes, you fucking retard. It's about a mean, stifled, dissipate and colonised people.
>>23307367I like Dubliners because it has a lot of "literally me" characters and moments. Joyce is so good at bringing these people to life and making you see yourself in them. I'm pretty sure everyone who seriously reads Dubliners is going to find at least one character, in at least one story, that they directly relate to.
>>23307367It's about everyday life, mundane but still packed with emotion whether it be disappointment like in Araby, childlike fun like in An Encounter or heartbreak like in A Painful Case or The DeadDon't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
>>23307426>>23307367>>23307445>>23307498How in the ever loving fuck can you read a story like "Eveline" or "Araby" or "The Dead" or "A Little Cloud" and think it's insipid or mundane or shit? The failures of these characters, whether through guilt, society, religion, etc. are presented with such humanity and care, also with some of the greatest fucking prose ever written in the English fucking language. You can dislike it all you like. Not your style, not riveting enough, etc. but to say that it's insipid or shit really shows your extra chromosome, faggot.
>>23308150Yawn, still does make for riveting stories, proselet. Vignettes would be a better description.
itt: op argues in a circular fashion
I thought "Clay" and "A Mother" were both very sad
I asked the same thing before and all I got were insults and variations on "it's supposed to be boring". I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.
>>23307370
>>23310352>I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.His prose is absolutely brilliant. You want proof, just look at the final paragraph of The Dead.
>>23310352>>23307498>>23307445This is going to be repetitive of what other posters have already said in this thread, and probably sound ‘pretentious’ to you, but I think it’s really that you can’t appreciate the subtler nuances of great literary craftsmanship. It’s not a Mission Impossible movie or something with fast car chases, big explosions where the protagonist dramatically and epically walks away from the fireball towards the camera, with violence and gunfights, and, hell, maybe even some tits being flashed and a sex scene if you’re lucky, that’s for sure. The same way a complete symphony by Tchaikovsky or Beethoven (I don’t claim to be a great connoisseur of classical music, I’m just choosing some of the most obvious names of it) isn’t necessarily as “poppy” and “fun”, easy to listen to and not needing a great attention span, as the most mainstream hip-hop and pop music is that’s basically the most popular music in the world right now.What I recommend, is to just put it down, maybe even leave the board and stop making such shitty threads and posts (fat chance, I know, but a man can dream), and maybe even just enjoy things that are more your speed, and there’s entirely nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks. No one is forcing you to read Joyce, and even some great literary criticism on him or Dubliners specifically or a glowing review of it by someone who adores it isn’t really going to change anything for you if you just can’t be bothered with the work.Also, because of your hostile, snide, combative, arrogant and insulting tone in various posts, don’t be surprised when people respond in ‘snobbish’ ways and simply call you a dumb pleb, or just flame you. That’s entirely expectable, understandable, and fully within anons’ rights when you engage so shittily, having already made up your mind and not actually being open to it being changed.tl;dr: you’re like a semi-blind bat in a cave shitting on priceless works of art you can’t understand or appreciate, and maybe you can’t even be blamed for that.
>>23310867Most Redditesque post on this board right now, this reads like it was originally written to defend Rick&Morty.
>>23310352>I have no idea why anyone claims to like Joyce.You have no idea about a lot of things.
Gazing into the thread I saw OP was a creature driven and derided by retardation; and my eyes burned with pity and anger.
>>23307370fpbp
>>23307367>what am I missing?At least 40iq points.
>>23307367everything Joyce ever wrote was boring and only the most masochistic and insecure psueds would ever argue otherwise
>>23312279Go back to reading Colleen Hoover, fag.
I thought they were pretty funny. I got the message a few stories in that this was sort of the "What it's like to be Irish" experience for that time. The one that ends with the loser beating his kid for letting the fire tie was pretty good. Also the old pedo, and that bitch at the party that kept saying "West Britton" was good. Or the political organizer guys that kept talking big but end up just pounding beers all night.It's a great anthology. I haven't read it for maybe 10 years but I'll probably try again. Didn't read it until I was like 25 (didn't go to high school really) so maybe that colors my opinion.>>23307370fpbp
>>23307367I think James Joyce was a hack
>>23310921AY MA NO BONGO NE SING NO SAAYYYYYAYYYY EE AYYYYAYYY EE YAAYYYYY
>>23307367Joyce was a giant fucking faggot>>23307370And so are you
>>23308028>Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable lifeWhy would I want to read about boring people and their boring lives? Does it make you feel smart because you "enjoy" "nuanced" literature? Joyce fans really are peak midwits.>>23310867Holy cringe
>>23312279>t. angry lesbian
>>23315660Name someone that isn't a boring person
>>23315687Thomas Pynchon seems pretty cool
>>23307507that sounds gay yo
