>Being a selfish bastard bitchtard is goodNo wonder Rand died alone collecting welfare checks
It is the complete opposite of Marxism, not just philosophically, but, more importantly, in its complete lack of any world-historical relevance.
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>>23308589Actually it was "being selfish is natural, but disguising your selfishness as altruism is evil". If you confront a socialist on what the "free" part of all their free programs actually means, they'll almost always say an equivocated version of "well obviously we're taking the money from someone else. This is in both of our best interests, so why are you opposed?"
>>23308604>that comicthe blackpill is that every penny more you give to your employees will raise unpredictability of your industry by a certain percent: will he buy a ferrari and have an accident? will he get drunk and beat his wife and land in jail? will he use his free time to become a criminal or join a cult? will he buy a book and then bug his co-workers about what he read?predictability is the engine of economythe problem is that ever since WW2 more and more companies are run by workers (persons whose job is to "run a company" and are not fused with it body and soul) and we have probably reached a tipping point around the introduction of the iPhone, smartphones practically sending the unpredictability percentage to the moon... not that forcing people to hire women and intellectual minorities to mingle with people who actually want & have to work is doing much goodbut then again I might be speculating. heck I might even be Ayn Rand for all ye kno
https://nintil.com/why-ayn-rand-is-not-and-ought-not-be-taken-seriously>I have never read a piece of work from Ayn Rand, beyond some paragraphs and extracts here and there on the internet. I never gave Objectivism, her system of thought, much importance.>But there are people -Objectivists- who think she is one of the greatest, or the greatest, philosopher ever (along with Aristotle, they'll add). Sometimes, Objectivists tell people who have not read Rand to read her, so that they can become rational, and abandon their "non-Objectivist, mystical beliefs".>I haven't read anything from Rand because I consider that the effort won't be worth it, as every time I've read something from Objectivists, I have not been persuaded that there is much to be learned from Rand. And also, there exists a critique available on the net that demolishes Objectivism. I will give reasons later why I believe the critique succeeds.>This conclusion, however, has to be qualified. Should we reject views just because others with good qualifications say they ought to be rejected, and there are no critiques of their arguments for the rejections? Usually, yes. Such combination of factors is a very good reason to reject something without reading about it. This is how we generally go about in our life: rarely we go to the depths of Physics' journals to believe or disbelieve claims that physicists make. If a lot of people who have studied a subject for a long time agree on something, that is evidence for that something. It is not ultimate evidence, but the burden of proof is on you is you want to go against the consensus.>So defenders of ideas that are out of the consensus of relevant experts should take the best critiques that have been made against them, and refute them. It would also be nice for them to provide a brief introduction to their ideas, to reduce the cost for others of acquiring information about those ideas.
>>23308604A better punchline would have been they invented a machine to do twice the work in half the time.>>23308672Yep, this is exactly why we give medium-salaried "bullshit jobs" to people who meet a minimum IQ threshold. Giving all that money to dullards doing the actual work would result in pure chaos. Better to have a midwit welfare state.
>>23308654>being selfish is natural, but disguising your selfishness as altruism is evilI wouldn't go as far as to say it's evil, but that remark is essentially true. However, altruism is really a state of apathy; and I've never known a case of someone wanting to act out of not-caring since that's contradictory in nature.
>>23308678The only good reason not to read Ayn is also the only good reason to read her which is that she writes romance novels i.e. porn for women with a philosophical bent. She, and not Anne Desclos, is the female de Sade.
>>23308679the mark of a great country would be if the smartest and most dignified people all worked in police and sanitation, and were also royally paid for it
>>23308695It's a nice thought but those people would get extremely bored without something abstract to think about for employment. That's why we give midwits salaried office jobs. They can think just abstractly enough to rationalize the job but understanding why it's pointless is optional.
>>23308680Merriam-Webster defines altruism as: "unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others"Not sure how you get apathy from that.
>>23308708>It's a nice thought but those people would get extremely bored without something abstract to think about for employmentoh believe me they would have something abstract to think about (I am concretely talking about the jobs of police and sanitation, not just giving them as an example!)like "how did this this piece of thrash get here?!"on a few years it would make fascism look like radical leftism
>>23308654Thats only a skin deep reading. Such an observation is non controversial in the history of deep thought, thinkers all over the world had noticed that people are more self interested than they allow themselves to confront, and deceive themselves about this. Rand took it further; she wasn't saying to examine one's intentions, so as to be more pure, selfless, altruistic and helpful in a genuine sense. She was saying, "embrace being evil, embrace being selfish." Where as other thinkers typically brought this up to push people toward being better, Rand glorified getting worse.
>>23308589>t. didn't get itAnd Rand claims another victim. It surprises me she filters as many as she does. It isn't difficult to understand, yet here we are.
>>23308759"Being selfish and evil is good"What's there not to get?
>>23308589>>23308602The point of objectivism is that it functions best as a private philosophy. It’s not meant to be a way for everyone to live - society would collapse that way. However, aware individuals can greatly benefit from practicing it. Just don’t tell other people about it or recommend that they practice it, too.There’s nothing wrong with not living your life in a non-universal way if it personally benefits you, is the big takeaway.
>>23308787*nothing wrong with living your life in a non-universal way, rather
>>23308589I couldn't finish it, neither did I ever pry about "individualism". What level of "individualism" did she talk about and what level of "individualism" are his adherent followers believes in?Do they mean parental recommendations need to be rejected in order to be "individualistic"?What about "martial recommendations"? What if the wife does not want anal sex but because the husband is "individualistic", he would risk his marriage and perform anal sex with prostitute or other female? Is this seen as justified for Ayn Rand's individualism? What about the consequences? Every man wants to fuck young girls; Does her "individualism" supports hebephilia (or whatever it is)?
>>23308787So...you mean its a guidebook to being a deceptive psycho- or sociopath?
>>23308589>Individuals should disregard self-sacrificing altruistic virtues that put others before yourself and only pursue rational self-interest>If my ideology wouldn't be good for you personally, you should still adhere to it because letting entrepreneurial god-men do whatever they want is ultimately for the greater good of society!
>>23308810Not necessarily. When you really think about it, how sustainable or even fair is it to expect and teach everyone to live their lives - in entirety - in a way that would benefit everyone, if everyone lived the same way? It’s a lot to ask. There is a lot of room philosophically speaking to allow for people to live differently to benefit themselves without becoming monsters.
>>23308829Sure; but "selfishness is a virtue in the extreme," isn't an argument for balance.
>>23308589I don't see the problem with her taking welfare checks considering she was forced to pay into these systems for her entire life. It's not hypocritical like most Redditors seem to think.
>>23308841I want to rape more woman, especially virgins.
>>23308589>Being a selfish bastard bitchtard is goodit is though? you can't refute it
>>23308841It can be a virtue to a certain extent, but again, I think part of the point is that to a certain extent it doesn’t matter, regardless. Much of the concept of virtue is dependent upon behaviors that everyone should follow and that benefit all, which is contrary to the “virtues” of private selfishness.
>>23308678>you shouldn't read ayn rand>i know this because i haven't read herGenius
>>23309424You shouldn't read ayn rand because she's boring
>>23308602>It is the complete opposite of Marxism, not just philosophicallynot really, marx was influenced by stirner (an egoist like rand) to start arguing for communism in terms of workers' self-interest. you will find zero appeals to anything else in capital
>>23308604This comic is dumbIve worked many jobs and i have never gotten a hour cut or a pay raise due to advances in our machinery. When i was in the service industry we never got paid more if we got better machines and now that I’m in medicine the same holds true. Usually my pay has been determined by industry avg more than anything else and I’ve had a ton of different jobs.Its also dumb because pensions exist to entice trained workers to stay longer. Its a trick to keep you from switching industries and thereby directly benefits the employer as much as the employee. Keeping the pensions where they are is (often) in rands best interest here as it lets her keep skilled workers without creating a poor image. As this would be tarnishing the value of her word.This comic also ignores how rand looks at the advantages of invention. In shrugged when the oil guy talks about his new method of pumping oil or when gault talks about his engine. Its often framed as “think of how much human life i will save with this” simply through the invention saving time. I don’t like rand I think her philosophy has massive holes. I’ve read fountainhead and shrugged and enjoyed them primarily as comedic works. The characters are exceedingly autistic and allegoric, reading more like a virgin vs chad meme. Listening to her simp for men is really funny. Her plot is usually contrived at best but it makes for a fun read. This comic presents her poorly and it makes the author look like a retard. I get its a “i am silly” comic but comon.
>>23308787>an emotional appeal to selfishness invalidates Kant's categorical imperative. No wonder everyone thinks she's a hack.
>>23308589nietzsche for mini elon musks
>>23309840How does cutting them in half make them more portable? Aren't you still carrying the same amount of books?
It's always surprising how utterly infuriating the notion of people beings ends in themselves and never means to an end is to so many people.
>>23310282And I thought /lit/ was supposed to be the smart board.
>>23308604If everyone in this comic acted in their self interest, the working class would simply unite to impose better working conditions. Instead, they devote 98% of their energy to pandering to blacks and faggots, while complaining about white supremacy.
I hate the prose in Atlas Shrugged by Rand totally captured the essence of the bugman.
>>23309840The bottom line is that every worker should actively sabotage their workplace if they believe they are not being paid enough. This moves the incentive onto the employer to pay decent wages so their business isn't sabotaged by the unhappy workers. If your attitude as a worker has zero impact on your productivity, there is no incentive to keep you happy. The end point of this logic is to just murder employers who refuse to pay decent wages under any circumstances. Workers should not be afraid of their bosses, their bosses should be afraid of the workers. If everything is about playing hard ball and fighting and clawing for maximum self interest, workers have very direct ways to instantly win that battle.
>durrrr Ayn Rand took back the taxes that she paid to the government? HYPOCRITE!This is the leftoid equivalent of when conservaboomers say "oh well you like to buy luxury goods? checkmate socialism". People have no choice but to operate under the system that is imposed on them.
>>23310282Either they’re only holding half of it at a time or cutting them in half makes it more organizable in a suit case in a Tetris like fashion>>23308678I mean that’s how people mostly act but only about things they really don’t care about and need a quick justification for a action they don’t care for. “What is this subject I don’t care much about? Should I steer away or close to it just in case it becomes slightly relevant to my life?” But I think once you literally write an essay about it to prove or disprove it or should look more into it then
>>23311077>The bottom line is that every worker should actively sabotage their workplace if they believe they are not being paid enough. This moves the incentive onto the employer to pay decent wages so their business isn't sabotaged by the unhappy workers. Leftists say this and then support mass immigration. You don't have any real principles, you just hate White people.
Yeah it's totally crazy why people don't want to pay taxes.
>>23311120>>/pol/
>>23308589>collecting welfare checksThis is a fact and it makes Randtards seethe.
>>23311167You dropped this
>>23311207Keep it up. See where that attitude gets you in life.
>>23311217You people are monsters.
>>23311078I hate how rich socialists are forced at gun point by capitalist goons to buy the most ostentatious mansions and expensive sports cars, what a torture it must be for those poor and noble socialist souls.
>>23311105I absolutely do NOT support mass immigration, but that's a nice strawman you've got in your head so you don't have to engage with these ideas.
>>23311277>tweetcaps on /lit/Opinion discarded.
>thinking about reading rand today>rand threadwell, then...>>23311192I feel like this isn't the checkmate people think it is because she self-admittedly claims that hypocrisy is a part of human nature.
>>23311293People are slaves to their desires. You can engage in an activity while understanding that you're partaking in an anti-social activity. Consooomerism operates by highjacking our innate desire for status, praise, and recognition and turning us all into hypocrites. If you want to get ahead in life you have to play the game. >>23311299I don't believe it. Maybe 40 years ago, but Dialectic Materialism doesn't exist on the left anymore. It's just woo woo brown worship which is really just a Christian heresy. I don't care about your idealistic beliefs. If you support leftist policies you are de facto anti-White.
>>23311313The libertarian argument is "I'm taking back what I gave to the government". Which is both valid, true, and hypocritical at the same time.
>>23311328I support social democracy with low immigration. This ensures the citizens of your country can have the maximum ability to thrive, and consequently the maximum education, health, and happiness. To quote Bernie (back when he was based), "open borders is a Koch brothers proposal". Right wing cut throat capitalists want mass immigration of brown people so they can drive wages down to what they are in those back water shit hole countries. It's the right wingers and Neoliberals who want that.
>>23311313>I feel like this isn't the checkmateShit like that is the reason she became a failed cult leader instead of being another L. Ron.
>>23308787this is what they don't tell you about philosophy (or religion, lol)
>>23308589Nice redditbrained post. I'm guessing you didn't even read the book. It's not about how being selfish is good. The character isn't selfish. He's creating something great that benefits everyone. It's mostly about how everyone like (you) feels entitled to the fruits of his labor and his genius and the various methods of manipulation (you) come up with to get them.
>>23308589>Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.If you identify with the back biting sacks of shit who are the antagonists in atlas shrugged then you have issues. They are horrendously awful people.
>>23311192>noooo don't give me back a part of the money you stole from meSurely you've got something better?
>>23309932/lit/ hates Rand precisely because it worships Kant
>>23311652Bernie was never going anywhere. You need to stop coping and realize that the entire machinery of left wing politics in America is animated by groid worship on one hand and hatred of Whites of the other. There is literally nothing else. Move on.
>>23311077I doubt that was the authors intent considering that he spends 5/7 panels making rand look like a hypocritical retard and having the boss be named rand specifically. He can talk about this more generally without needing to fail dunking on rand specifically. But if we want to talk about your interpretation specifically then you are incorrect in a minor way. If workers are unhappy working for an employer they don’t need to kill them. They just stop working or work jobs that incentivize them better as that is in their own rational self interest. Other than that specific point Rand would probably agree with you. They don’t talk about employees often in shrugged but dagnee and the riridan seem generally pretty willing to pay great workers well. As maintaining them is in their own rational self interest.Also to be honest ive never worked a job where i felt i was paid enough. I could be being paid half my companies total revenue id still want more, but that’s not how pay is determined. Not by what you want but what you’re worth. Which is also a very randian idea.
>>23312151Occupy Wall Street was the single biggest threat to the established power centers and so they went to work undermining it and co-opting the voices of reason on the left like Bernie. Race took over instead of class. You want to adhere to your strawman stereotypes which play into exactly how Corporate America wants politics to be divided up as. Sad.
>>23312318>They just stop working or work jobs that incentivize them better as that is in their own rational self interestOkay, so workers can just seize the means of production? Or do you mean they have to leave one employer to find a different employer who will almost definitely treat them the same way? Also, in current year, 3 hedge funds own basically all employment opportunities, so in a very real sense you literally can't "work jobs that incentivize them better"
>>23312479>Occupy Wall Street was the single biggest threat to the established power centersA bunch of listless millennials who couldn't even tell you why the financial collapse happened is not a serious threat. These are redditors who think the difference between American and European cities is that there are too many cars.
>>23308589Ayn Rand developed her philosophy specifically because she was so ugly that even in the shitstorm of the Russian Revolution neither her kike daddy nor the inbred alcoholic Bolsheviks were interested in raping her. She coped by convincing herself that this is due to socialism repressing the healthy and natural instincts (to rape Ayn Rand) in men, and men should act as selfish as possible (i.e. finally rape her). In her books, tall selfish men with big arms are constantly raping her self-insert character. She completely misunderstood men, as it always happens with women.A real man is a living antithesis to Objectivism. As a human male, I cannot act in my own personal interests since I naturally have none, so instead I rape women out of selfless kindness, as all men do.If Ayn Rand ever met me, I would rape the Objectivism out of her to absolutely no benefit of my own (there can be no personal gain or profit from raping Ayn Rand desu), and that would collapse her world-view on a metaphysical level. It would become indisputably self-evident to her that she kept writing books because despite all of her efforts she never got a good rape. She never got a good rape because the only men she interacted with were Objectivists who fell for her books - books written by a women dreaming of being raped, about a woman dreaming of being raped. The only men who can enjoy her books are women in male bodies, inherently incapable of raping her, and instead hoping that she would rape them, that she would incarnate as a the man she dreams of, the Messiah hiding under the skin of the Prophet. She would see why all of her relationships with men were such disasters, both of them eagerly waiting for the other to rape, waiting to no outcome. She would love me and my kind dick selflessly in return despite all her will, leaving her with absolutely nothing to ground her ideas anymore, finally feeling true freedom - freedom as an absence, as a flight with no land holding your feet, as hers would be dangling high above. The dreams of an Atlantean man of self-interests would evaporate from her head with the moisture of my cum drying in her scruffy hair. She would sing praises to Lenin whenever her mouth is not taken by selfless work on my cock and balls.All would be better, and more free in the world.
>>23312504>A bunch of listless millennials who couldn't even tell you why the financial collapse happened is not a serious threat.Actually, big bunches of uneducated retards literally are the largest threat to any government if they manage to organize.
>>23308589>>23311192
>>23310282You're not going to read both halves at the same time, anon
>>23309840>middlesex>book cut in the middleThat sneaky bastard!>>23310282Less weight and takes less space. I wonder if the convinience is good. I mean dont the last keep falling off?
>>23312513Likewise, educated fools are the biggest threat to regular people if they decide to organize. All a matter of perspective.
>>23312504Their focus was on the right thing. It literally does not matter if you understand your enemy as long as you accurately identify them. That was the whole point of OWS, idiot normies were waking up to who was making their life tangibly worse. Now they have successfully shifted the cultural conversation onto race and personal identity. And in case you hadn't noticed, they have continued to use government shenanigans to bilk the tax payer while massively increasing their wealth and massively depriving young generations of ANY wealth at all.
