What's good introductory secondary lit on German Idealism I've gotten a sense for the social, political and economic stuff but on the actual metaphysical/philosophical context, I'm still very shallow
>>23313606Kantian Reason and Hegelian Spirit is good as an intro but I would get it from a library and only read the first half or so because it becomes increasingly focused only on theology as it moves on the the historical effects of German Idealism.The Perfection of Freedom is good if you want an indepth comparison to the ancients and medievals. It focuses on freedom, but from a metaphysical lens.Hegel's Naturalism as a good, accessible intro to Hegel but a bit deflationary. Charles Taylor's Hegel is a classic. Houlgate has the best commentary on the Logic by far. I would go with Hegel's Ladder on the Phenomenology hands down.These all get into metaphysics and avoid being "deflationary," except for Pinkhard. But Pinkhard is fairly accessible which makes him nice. Houlgate is too, until you get into the actual Logic, which is always going to be hard.
>>23313699I find theological questions interesting and the Schindler book looks super interestingThanks bro
>>23313968Schindler is an extremely interesting guy. His life's mission seems to be to bring forward the classical/medieval tradition and make it speak to modern issues. Outside of the Hegel book, he has two books of freedom that are extremely good, "Freedom From Reality: The Diabolical Nature of Modern Freedom," and "Retrieving Freedom," which follows up the first books' diagnosis of the problems in the modern conception of freedom (largely looking through Locke and then comparing it to Plato and Aristotle) with a tour of freedom in the classical tradition (covering Plotinus, St. Augustine, Boethius, St. Bernard, St. Bonaventure, St. Aquinas, and ending with the begining of the "problems" in Ockham). Those are certainly great books and definitely interesting in terms of Hegel, who in many ways is extending the Platonic tradition (there are a lot of similarities between The Philosophy of Right, The Republic, and The Laws).He also has "Love and the Postmodern Tradition," which is the only accessible, modern-oriented treatment of the very interesting but obscure scholastic Doctrine of Transcendentals (which has pride of place in Aquinas, Eckhart, etc. — the convertibility of the Good, the Beautiful, and the True with Being qua Being).Only problem is he can be a little preachy on the negative sides of modernity, and I don't think he properly appreciates the way in which modern economies and political systems actually do a lot to enable the kind of holistic freedom he is looking for. That is, he diagnoses the diseases in modernity well, but not how parts of it actually empower humanity in new ways if the misology and nihilism is cut away. That and he has the tendency so common in academia to present positions in controversial ways that really aren't that radical when explained, but which catch people's attention. I think this is more prone to turn people off then draw them in though.Talking about him reminds me of Robert M. Wallace's "Philosophical Mysticism in Plato, Hegel, and Today." That is also a really excellent book, although it focuses on Plato a good deal more than Hegel. But it's quite short and really nails making some of the harder ideas in them accessible. It is though, strangely not really about mysticism lol. More the metaphysics of freedom and the relation to the Good. His Plato also strikes me as maybe a bit more the Patristic version of Plato than Plato himself, but that's not too big of a detraction. The Patristics don't get nearly enough attention because modern phil is allergic to Jesus references so greats like St. Maximus don't get the play they should and even Augustine loses purchase.
>>23314057My reading on freedom has been much more oriented towards the ancient/medieval kind of freedom as "freedom for" that I feel I have an actual weak point on a more nuanced understanding of the German ideal kinda freedomI'm defo giving him a chance but I have to say, I'm a bit dubious on a thesis I see more and more that goes something like:Everything with ancient and medieval metaphysics was going just fine with nobody complaining until demonlord Ockham came forth with his army of darkness from we know not where and wrought a reign of darkness in philosophy ever since I don't actually have a real argument against the position, it just sounds implausible
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really good btw but the English translation is dated
unironically
>>23313699what do you mean by deflationary?
>>23314082No, that's Ideas Have Consequences. Schindler is much more in line with MacIntyre, but gets the wider diagnosis more correct. The problem in modern philosophy is misology. I think they both miss though the extent to which existentialism (paired with a certain type of scientism) has become to default religion for a large swath of the global upper class. The problem here isn't so much old metaphysics versus new, as the same sort of dogma limiting inquiry you saw back when the Church was trying to enforce Aristotle's physics from on high. That is, the world HAS to be certain ways for us to be absurd so that we can be Nietzschean overcomers, leading to metaphysical positions being defended with religious zeal even as holes keep getting punched in them.
>>23314600Ignoring the metaphysics and anything that might seem too "mystical" or religious. Making Hegel safe for 21st century liberals so that everything he says is just an interesting way of talking about a materialist reality and even nominalism or ethical nihilism.You see this with Plato a lot too. He comes across as a liberal skeptic in some readings.It's not that there aren't interesting and worthwhile Marxist readings of Hegel, but they aren't the full Hegel.
>>23313606Beiserhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_C._Beiser
>>23314807>Ignoring the metaphysics and anything that might seem too "mystical" or religious.but- that's the whole point of German Idealism....
>>23313606>Beiser>Hartnack>Magee>Harris>Hyppolite>Rosen>Kalkavage>Di Giovanni>Suares>Taylor>Hart>Houlgate>Losurdo>Bowman>Pippin>Pinkard>Wake>Moss>Wallace>AndersonAbsolutely not Kojeve. Taking the Master-Slave dialectic at face value like this is the Hegelian equivalent of Zarathustra's Ape for Niezsche, but Absolutely and immeasurably worse.
I've heard that the scholarship in Magee's Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition was subpar, can anyone confirm?
>>23315199>>23314354Wow this is a lot of homeworkThanks
>>23316001pure cope by deflationists
>>23316471qrd?
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>>23317746Is it? We know what was in Hegel's library and while it included quite a lot of philosophical and theological works, it featured little esoteric, occult, or initiatic literature unless you count the Greeks.
>>23318620>unless you count the Greeks.you answered your own questionalso you presuppose he learned everything from books
>>23318620>it featured little esoteric, occult, or initiatic literaturethink, for moment, about what those words really mean...>But by far the greatest difficulty lies undoubtedly in the subject itself. The latest school [German Idealism] has expressly characterized its philosophy as an ESOTERIC SCIENCE [emphasis added], which would at all times remain confined to the narrow circle of the initiated; yea more, which is also intended to be solely confined to them, inasmuch as what constitutes it philosophy is, that it does not lay aside the veil which is impervious to the eye of the unitiated-- its scientific garb.
>>23318740I don't see how Chalybäus is a credible source on textual criticism of Hegel.
>>23318755An esteemed and recognized professor of philosophy and authority on German Idealism who was closer temporally, spatially, linguistically, and culturally to Hegel than any contemporary Anglo scholar will ever be and could converse directly with people who knew Hegel firsthand is not a credible source on textual criticism of Hegel? This was bait wasn't it.
>>23314828Is Beiser deflationist?
>>23317821read descriptionhttps://www.routledge.com/Schelling-Freud-and-the-Philosophical-Foundations-of-Psychoanalysis-Uncanny-Belonging/Fenichel/p/book/9780815385837
>>23318664>yeah bro hegel was actually secretly initiated into a bunch of occult shit >there are no sources for this lol just trust me hahaOk>>23318740>proof that hegel was le spooky occult esotericist wizard?>a completely different dude calls german idealism esoteric this one timeOk
>>23318882No, on the contrary
>>23319677>t. doesn't know
>>23321760Cool argument, bro.
>>23321813>argument>t. really doesn't know
