capitalism has done immeasurable damage to art and culture
No.
>>23360818Fisher is lame compared to Byung Chul Han. Capitalist realism was boring as fuck.
>>23360818Wrong. It has only made it greater, as weaker works are destroyed by the market and great works exalted.
>>23360873I liked it, but admittedly the back half was just him griping about his job. Which of Han's would you say is the best to start with?
>>23360818Maybe—maybe not.
>>23360818I like that Fisher is very ambivalent about ‘capitalism bad’, though. Obviously from a practical political perspective capitalism is the enemy. But like Marx, Fisher’s good at showing how much possibility and freedom capitalism has opened up, how much it’s dissolved old territorial bonds, even if it recreates them in parodic postmodern form whenever it’s expedient. One of Fisher’s big critiques of capitalism, imo, is that it doesn’t let you properly enjoy and appreciate the bleakness of living under capitalism. You’re too tired, too frantic, too compulsorily positive. Communism wouldn’t be a solar punk world of smiling simple neopeasants, but a world where people experiment and cultivate different ways of appreciating and exploring the grim cold freedom of the Spinozist machine universe.
>>23360989Careful there my man, your idealism is leaking from your orifices.
>>23360818Is this book worth it? Capitalist Realism was somewhere between fine/ok and mid.
>>23361060>admittedly the back half was just him griping about his jobKek>Which of Han's would you say is the best to start with?Burnout Society is the one that made him famous, so start there
>>23360818Nietzsche has already formulated this 150 years ago. Not only capitalism, but also technologies and democratic way of thinking (including left leaning ideas) made anything resembling a high culture impossible.
>>23362144It's worth it. There is a reason Capitalist Realism gets more attention. The closest thing to mainstream interest in Fisher is among young leftists. Capitalist Realism is great for posing for social media posts. Ghosts of my Life and Post-Capitalist Desire are much better, but it doesn't fit neatly for people whose Marxism is built on birth-control, environmental apocalypticism, and mythical quasi-genders. They are primarily works on aesthetics, but art goes deep. More interesting is the psychological elements. There is a great paragraph in GOML on Joy Division where Fisher describes the thought processes of a depressive.Both GOML and PCD hint that Fisher's suicide was more fundamental than mere depression. To cling to a socialism with any purity is to cling to a noose. Capital has bought the world and its employees of the month are socialists. A future without Capitalism is impossible to picture, not because of its inherent strength but because the lack of imagination of leftists. The last years of Fisher's life was spent seeking a missing element that would fix this. He never found it.A lot more died on January 13 2017 than a professor and writer
>>23360989Lol. Imagine thinking this. Art and culture peaked at the confluence of science and religion.
>>23362219Thanks. I'll check it and Post-Capitalist Desire out.
>>23360818Wrong. Read In Praise of Commercial Culture by Tyler Cowen>Does a market economy encourage or discourage music, literature, and the visual arts? Do economic forces of supply and demand help or harm the pursuit of creativity? This book seeks to redress the current intellectual and popular balance and to encourage a more favorable attitude toward the commercialization of culture that we associate with modernity. Economist Tyler Cowen argues that the capitalist market economy is a vital but underappreciated institutional framework for supporting a plurality of co-existing artistic visions, providing a steady stream of new and satisfying creations, supporting both high and low culture, helping consumers and artists refine their tastes, and paying homage to the past by capturing, reproducing, and disseminating it. Contemporary culture, Cowen argues, is flourishing in its various manifestations, including the visual arts, literature, music, architecture, and the cinema. Successful high culture usually comes out of a healthy and prosperous popular culture. Shakespeare and Mozart were highly popular in their own time. Beethoven's later, less accessible music was made possible in part by his early popularity. Today, consumer demand ensures that archival blues recordings, a wide array of past and current symphonies, and this week's Top 40 hit sit side by side in the music megastore. High and low culture indeed complement each other.
>>23360818Mark Fisher was no different than Marshall Applewhite
>>23363210>t. goyslop enjoyer
>>23360818>capitalism has done immeasurable damage to art and cultureI agree but not because of the reasons this commie probably thinks. Capitalism hurts culture by making it dependent on the masses who need to be handheld and coddled at the lowest common denominator, thus bringing down the potential of superior art that used to be financed by and exclusively made for an educated elite who could appreciate it to its fullest.
>>23360831Prove it hasn't
>>23362207>democratic way of thinkingWell artists who create a thing and do not need the money, the voting with wallets, will escape such "democracy"
>>23364246You have to be 18 to post here, Timmy.
>>23361588>Communism wouldn’t be a solar punk world of smiling simple neopeasants, but a world where people experiment and cultivate different ways of appreciating and exploring the grim cold freedom of the Spinozist machine universe.lmao, even. Artists under communism live in constant fear of upsetting the government
>>23362229I would wager much earlier when mankind and the cosmos were not as separated by reason as they are now
>>23364526>prove the unproven claim is false with proof
>>23364545I'm published and you aren't.
>>23364632How do you know?
>>23364632Did your mommy review your self-published Amazon novel?
Most of what you would consider "great art" only existed because the rich had a desire for it, and someone was paid to make it.
>>23361588>One of Fisher’s big critiques of capitalism, imo, is that it doesn’t let you properly enjoy and appreciate the bleakness of living under capitalism.Oh, believe me: I fucking do.As a side-note. It's fascinating how people who swallow the commie bullshit are so fucking delusional. Reminds me to be wary whenever I decide to read an anti-capitalist book written by an unironic commie.
>>23364545lmao. but he has a point.
>>23364632>cries about culture being dependent on the masses who need to be handheld and coddled at the lowest common denominator, thus bringing down the potential of superior art that used to be financed by and exclusively made for an educated elite who could appreciate it to its fullest, yet participates in itCurious!
Been reading a lot of Fisher lately, have started k-punk, which I have been enjoying though I find his music criticism some of his most verbose and inaccessible material. Fisher represents the type of leftist I can probably most tolerate, he believed in having actual standards and disliked the petty clucking moralism of the eternally online. He realised Twitter sniping was ineffective and served Capital's interests more than any leftist cause. If anything is clear in his works it is that he bitterly mourns the loss of the postwar consensus and what it meant for political and cultural agency.
>>23360818The guy had pretty good music taste, similar to mine with regards to post-punk, new wave, electronica/trip hop etc. Introduced me to some good jungle and drum and bass too.
Realistically, laissez-faire reproduction has neutered human capability beyond measurability.
I want to agree with him but there is so much amazing music that has been released in the past 5 years or so and it just makes him sound like an out of touch boomer
>>23365849Music got over the late capitalist retromania, after the 2010s. Movies and television didn't, it's worse than ever and cinema is a dying artform
>>23365849If we say, for the sake of an arbitrary cutoff, that capitalism started with the founding of the bank of England, that gives us 1694.So music from Bach and Handel to now, literature from Pope and Swift to now, art from Caneletto to now. Reckon capitalism wins music and literature, not sure about art
>>23365732He wasn't a metal fan though, another one of the many problems I have with him other than being a sociopathic doomer cult leader.
>>23365028>you succeeded in system B so you aren't allowed to admit system A was better
>>23365849Fisher's argument isn't "all music bad", though.
What kind of art do these commies want
>>23360818Capitalism was the direct result of the decline of aristocracy and introduction of class mobility. We must return to traditional hierarchy if the human race is to survive.
>>23365849>so much amazing music that has been released in the past 5 yearssuch as?
>>23366428>Capitalism was the direct result of the decline of aristocracy and introduction of class mobilityThis board is filled with so many fucking retards
>>23366381AI
>>23366477https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPlOYPGMRws
>>23360818Test
Capitalism isn't the problem, the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>23366477https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0rt5dH0fY
>>23366648Vocals on this ruin it, destroy it's relistenability.
>>23365849What makes this book so fun is listening to all the great music he's waxing lyrical about while you read the relevant chapter. Fuck off until you've actually read it.
>>23360818Fisher is a hack
