>>23539160
obligatory watch
korea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS-Id1SFkug [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXswlCa7dug&rco=1 [Embed]
china:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVKnQM8HA7Zf96WIHFOZ6bVhE2NK0Qq7j

>>23539160
Yeah, how dare they actually educate themselves and work hard to improve their country? They should squander their youth on partying, drinking and hook-ups only to later beg for reparations from Japan like niggers instead

>>23539222
You know that's not that black and white, right? Also, I've meet people that party hard and worked hard

>>23539160
This is better than the Western alternative of affirmative action as the hiring method.
If there are few spots in the top, how else should they select leadership? I would rather have someone chosen for being smart and hard working than other alternatives.

>Do these people fundamentally lack the entrepreneurial, risk taking, 'urge to discover' spirit that characterized the europeans?
Lmao the only thing a modern Westoid will ever discover in his life is a Black BVLL in bed with his wife

>>23539160
There's a reason they're called bugmen, anon.

>>23539222
>Yeah, how dare they actually educate themselves and work hard to improve their country?
they cram high school subjects like mad for 5+ years. This includes shit like history(which btw may very well be distorted), korean, english, math and some one or two extra subjects. How in the world is that helping in their country's development? Their civil service exams also test on similar topics but subjects like history and other additional subjects from the humanities are a lot more broader in terms of the size of the syllabus. I hardly think they read confucius or plato from a curiosity point of view. Theyread them to just crack entrance exams and couple their reading(from bastardized translations that justify the bastardization) with frequently asked questions in the past and a bunch of other ready made notes available in the market

>>23539248
>This includes shit like history(which btw may very well be distorted)
Unlike /pol/ infographics which you peruse?

>>23539248
And how well are Westerners selecting their students?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/04/is-every-ambitious-teen-ager-a-founder-and-ceo

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/black-lives-matter-stanford-university-undergraduate-admissions-essay-100-times-racial-injustice/

At least the Korean method is choosing people who are smart and who can work hard.

>>23539248
>I hardly think they read confucius or plato from a curiosity point of view.
And do Western universities select students who do so? Or do they get students who say Plato was useless because he is a dead white male?

>>23539222
and almost all significant intellectual achievements of the past were achieved by people below 40 or 45. These people only ever encounter serious subjects, subjects that you may encounter in sophomore or senior year in your undergrad, in a very half assed manner in their late 20s or early 30s if they decide to pursue a career in academia that is.
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>blacks, porn, entertainment, degeneracy, etc., etc.,..
sure, it plagues the west, but those who don't get swayed by such silliness actually contribute something worthwhile.

>>23539260
>And do Western universities select students who do so?
yes, atleast some like caltech, mit or yale(less likely today but it still has some inertia of the past )

>>23539273
Caltech and MIT are exceptions and select math nerds, not people who care about Plato.
Yale went full woke and was even test optional for a few years until the entering classes were so terrible they had to bring tests again.

>>23539285
you've also got a huge amount of state schools that are at par with these elite institutions and a constant supply of talent form the entire planet, be it students, researchers or faculties.

>>23539222
extremely effeminate post

Why do white people give so much shit what these “people” do in non-white countries?

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>>23539229
Derp, working hard is rhe prerequisite for partying hard. It's a measuring tool: if the party blows, then you haven't worked hard enough. If the party's epic, then you actually did a good job.

>>23539222
>educate themselves
Rote memorization is the antithesis of education you smug faggot

>>23539484
being anti-rote and recall is the height of midwittery.

>>23539525
>Midwit
Brainlet insult

>>23539160

This is a problem that afflicts that part of the world because they have a narrow set of available jobs. They don't have as many opportunities so they fight for the opportunities that do exist. At least it is meritocratic.

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>>23539160
I found picrel kind of interesting. Not enough of an expert to comment on accuracy.

>>23539573
If China declines, and it looks like the US is as well, who will take over as the leading superpower of the world?

>>23540139
Kali yuga
Seriously China cannot be the superpower, just ask any chinese student at foreign country

>>23539222
Korea has no racism because Korea just treats you as less of a human by its own default. If you haven't gone to college, you will be treated as a 2/3 of a human by your own race and in your own family.

>>23539222
Of course, you'd like people to be relegated to the role of worker bees, wouldn't you? What a soulless disposition. That other anon was wrong, you're not merely effeminate, you're a raging faggot.

>>23539566
>This is a problem that afflicts that part of the world because they have a narrow set of available jobs.
not at all as korea has significantly diversifies it's economy way back in the 90s. they're highly risk averse and would rather invest money into someone who wasted 6 years trying to get into seoul national university rather than someone who got into a lower tier university in their first attempt and invested their time learning technical skills that matter in a technical job. How does history or korean language or some obscure euclidean geometry problem that could've only been solved in 2 or 4 minutes(the average time available per question), only if you knew the obscure short trick thanks to your tutor, even matter? Shit like this doesn't even matter in math research just so you know and no these exams don't even come close to that of olympiads either.
>>23539573
thanks.

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>>23540217
You're Jewish

>>23539160
these asian cultures that have these super rigid systems are highly cultish, something similar to what was pointed out in your first link OP. I wonder if asians are the most susceptible race to getting ensnared by a cult, especially given the fact that many cults that started in the west have asiatic origins.

>>23540346
https://youtu.be/D54UnUYFp7c

>>23539160
Why is it so hard for people to accept this whole thing is a behavioral psychology filter selecting for a very specific type of person?
And why do you assume the humans made these rules? When it's so clearly selecting for something so specific, that so few people can articulate, least of all the people being selected for

>>23540506
>Why is it so hard for people to accept this whole thing is a behavioral psychology filter selecting for a very specific type of person?
it may also be attributed to capitalism going bonkers. Korean elites are so freaking risk averse & greedily hold on to profits & old wealth that was created by the past generation that didn't have this much exam craze

korea is the turbo plastic version of the the democratic republic, it shows were europe is heading

>>23539222
From OP it sounds like they aren't really "improving their country" so much as fighting gratuitously hard to be the one person who gets to game the system and live the easy life.

Harvard College is reinstating the requirement for standardized testing, reversing course on a pandemic-era policy that made them optional. It follows similar moves from elite universities like Yale, Dartmouth, and MIT. Axios reports:
At Harvard, the mandate will be in place for students applying to begin school in fall 2025. Harvard had previously committed to a test-optional policy for applicants through the class of 2030, which would have started in fall 2026. Most students who applied since the pandemic began have submitted test scores despite the test-optional policy, the university said.

Reviewing SAT/ACT scores as part of a student's application packet helps an admissions decision be holistic, the university said in a statement. "Standardized tests are a means for all students, regardless of their background and life experience, to provide information that is predictive of success in college and beyond," Hopi Hoekstra, a Harvard dean, said in the statement. "Indeed, when students have the option of not submitting their test scores, they may choose to withhold information that, when interpreted by the admissions committee in the context of the local norms of their school, could have potentially helped their application."

The University of Texas at Austin said Monday that it would again require standardized tests for admissions (non-paywalled source), becoming the latest selective university to reinstate requirements for SAT or ACT scores that were abandoned during the pandemic. From a report:
A few years ago, about 2,000 colleges across the country began to move away from requiring test scores, at least temporarily, amid concerns they helped fuel inequality. But a growing number of those schools have reversed those policies, including Brown, Yale, Dartmouth, M.I.T., Georgetown and Purdue, with several announcing the changes in recent months.

U.T. Austin, which admits a cross-section of high-achieving Texas students under a plan designed to increase opportunity in the state, cited a slightly different reason than the other schools in returning to test requirements. Without requiring test scores, officials said, they were hampered in placing the admitted students in programs they would be most suited for and in determining which ones needed extra help. After making test scores optional the past few years, the university will now require applicants to submit either SAT or ACT scores beginning Aug. 1, with applications for fall 2025 admissions.

In an interview, Jay Hartzell, the U.T. president, said that the decision followed an analysis of students who did not submit scores. "We looked at our students and found that, in many ways, they weren't faring as well," Dr. Hartzell said. Those against testing requirements have long said that standardized tests are unfair because many students from affluent families use tutors and coaches to bolster their scores. But recent data has raised questions about the contention. In reinstating test requirements, some universities have said that making scores optional had the unintended effect of harming prospective students from low-income families.

Yale University will require standardized test scores for admission for students applying to enter for the class entering in the fall of 2025, becoming the second Ivy League university to abandon test-optional policies that had been widely embraced during the Covid pandemic. Yale officials said in an announcement on Thursday that the shift to test-optional policies might have unwittingly harmed students from lower-income families whose test scores could have helped their chances. While it will require standardized tests, Yale said its policy would be "test flexible," permitting students to submit scores from subject-based Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate tests in lieu of SAT or ACT scores.
The decision follows a similar decision in February from Dartmouth College. MIT also announced that it had reinstated its testing requirement in 2022.

After making the submission of SAT/ACT results optional (along with most other colleges in the U.S.) for admissions because of the disruptions due to COVID-19, Dartmouth announced that they will reinstate the standardized test requirement for applications to the Class of 2029 (admission in Fall 2025) and beyond. "Informed by new research, Dartmouth will reactivate the standardized testing requirement for undergraduate admission beginning with applicants to the Class of 2029," reads an update to the college's testing policy page.

A study conducted (PDF) by the college found that "SAT and ACT scores are highly predictive of academic performance at Dartmouth" and that "certain non-test score inputs in the admissions process, such as guidance counselor recommendations, do not predict college performance even though they do advantage more-advantaged applicants at IvyPlus institutions, increasing their admissions chances." MIT had previously reinstated the SAT/ACT requirement.

>>23540548
precisely this. I think being a top bureaucrat can help you get away with a lot in life and you can always hide behind the facade of 'merit', when in reality there's has been reports of numerous leaks of question papers by these exam coaching companies who've ties with the government.

>>23540533
Risk aversion = no opportunity = shrinking economy = keep things the same as long as possible = reward the stupid amoral hard workers who will always exploit always sacrifice for the company and will stop at nothing to keep their positions (the company)
Aka satanism

>>23539160
gooks are the most neotonous, infantile race on the planet OP. they're forever stuck in the highschool

>>23540472
Asians and specially Koreans are very much prone to joining cults, a lot of cults that started off american live on throught there. The lack of organized religion in a place like China doesnt make people atheistic, but rather makes them start putting that religious hunch for unexplainable things and coincidences on things such as good luck charms and horoscopes. The amount of scandals regarding cults in Japan and Korea is astounding and the government doesnt take care of it due to the rights of free association and because a lot government employees are parts of said cults. The only countries that may come close are America and Germany, maybe some northern european stuff too but thars more folklore

University rankings are a giant meme, especially for STEM. The education you get is largely the same wherever you go, and the result depends way more on the effort you put in than on what school you went to. I have a physics degree from a mid-rank EU university and regularly interact with people from Princeton, Cambridge, etc. Their education is definitely not better than mine, to the contrary they are often surprised how strong our math foundations are. That's probably balanced out in some other area, but overall there isn't a clear one-sided difference.

So yeah, it's sad how kids are tricked into wasting their prime years on >muh elite S-rank Ivy circklejerk experience instead of getting essentially the same result from a mid-rank place, except with a lot less mental trauma.

>>23540659
>So yeah, it's sad how kids are tricked into wasting their prime year
the thing is, they aren't. The entire coroporate govt eco system only hires people from Ivy tier universities or top notch rankers in their civil services exams in places like korea compared to it's western brethrens in asia.

>>23540669
As somebody said higher in the thread, this is all rooted in this idea of getting a cheat code for life and then just coasting on it forever, without ever having to really work again.
None of it would be necessary if they stopped chasing this mirage of easy life&free lunch and developed some actual work ethic instead. I never had a problem finding work, because I do things properly and thoroughly, keep educating myself, and don't look for an easy way out. My company would hire more people like that in a heartbeat, except they barely exist on the market. Everyone just wants easy money, no thinking, no effort, no initiative, no responsibility.

>>23539269
243 years ago, a guy discovered a new planet with his backyard telescope. All the easy stuff has been discovered already. Now you need a full corporate or academic research team to do anything significant.

>>23539291
Time have changed, Anon. Only a small percentage of graduates are actually useful and chances are, many of these are foreigners. A lot of English or Afro-American Studies majors with few job prospects.

>>23539160
Simple answer is:
You have a bunch of kids and you can't accept all of them so what's the most efficient way to select the most capable? Even the liberal leaning, highly competitive colleges here have had to go back to standardized testing.

>>23540756
>low hanging fruits have been plucked already bro
cope. practicing the same high school shit is just that, shit. taking these exams twice or thrice is somewhat acceptable, but spending time on this shit till your mid to late 20s does no one any good. Asians are intellectually & sociologically infantile as is seen even in the management at the top-the ones just below the real elites. Why is that one doesn't see a lot of korean or japanese startups?

>>23539160
what does this have to do with /lit/?

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>>23540326
>diversifies it's economy way back in the 90s

the range of jobs (and economic opportunities) any of these countries has is far far smaller than the range of jobs in the US or the West in general. we have a far more diverse work force that comes both from having a larger economy, a longer history as an industrial power and a far more liberal and worldly cultural environment. if you just looked at job titles, you'll find that the US has an order of magnitude more job titles than korea or japan.

bump

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>>23540557
The SAT and ACT are nowhere near as intensely studied as Asian countries' placement tests. At most, people spend about a year (or less) studying for them.

>>23540548
디스.

>>23540805
Yo, can I get some fries with that?

>>23539160
your facts are wrong. you have the gist but your timing is wrong on every count and your claim about the power of big university name dropping is exaggerated. your whole post is an exaggeration. it is a problem and an issue but not like what you claim

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from the point of view of university, high school was a waste of time, and if I spent more time grinding to get to a "more presteigious" uni, it would be a massive waste of time. The exact place does not matter as much, especially because at this point education is not homogenous like in high school. The staff at your departmen does different research, and by extension teaches differently. Which is good, because from those evolve small local schools with their own methodologies and ideas. I generally despise people who spend so much of their life doing busywork for career and presteige. Glad to hear that it's not so prevalent as OP makes it seem>>23544709
The physicist-anon gets it, university ranking does not matter (usually). Whether the campus is nice, rent is cheap, current dean and/or president is not a cunt is more important than the ranking. If the govt wants to hard-select its goons via exams, then so be it. But anything besides work is time wasted, even if supposedly it's "educating" you for said work. It holds true at least for entirety of STEM. I can't imagine the mental state of people from my country who retook the 'big-pre-uni' test 3+ times to get into medshool. 3 additional years of wasted time for the opportunity to be gatekept from actuall work for another 5. There's "Mathematician's Lament" to which I could add the "Molecular Biologist's Lament", and others — their own lamentation, but enough was said already. You are what you do, hence you become on your own terms, and the earlier the better. Medicine and law are too touchy to allow for 'self becoming' type of education (even though it's the only real kind of it), but for other professions this should be avoided. I had opportunity and incentive to retake my exams, to get into a 'better' major or uni, but from hindsight, if I did so it would only stall my education and my refusal to grind for exams could be interpreted as my unconscious being wiser than I thought.

Don't let your scho