Milton was right about rhyming.
Nah. Milton sucks.
>>23617974What'd he say?
"Rhyme with God or go to hell. Your choice." -John "The Buttfuck" Milton
>>23617974*Marlowe
What is Milton looking at?
>>23617995The Measure is English Heroic Verse without Rime, as that of Homer in Greek, and Virgil in Latin; Rhime being no necessary Adjunct or true Ornament of Poem or good Verse, in longer Works especially, but the Invention of a barbarous Age, to set off wretched matter and lame Meeter; grac't indeed since by the use of some famous modern Poets, carried away by Custom, but much to thir own vexation, hindrance, and constraint to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse then else they would have exprest them. Not without cause therefore some both Italian, and Spanish Poets of prime note have rejected Rhime both in longer and shorter Works, as have also long since our best English Tragedies, as a thing of itself, to all judicious ears, triveal, and of no true musical delight; which consists onely in apt Numbers, fit quantity of Syllables, and the sense variously drawn out from one Verse into another, not in the jingling sound of like endings, a fault avoyded by the learned Ancients both in Poetry and all good Oratory. This neglect then of Rhime so little is to be taken for a defect, though it may seem so perhaps to vulgar Readers, that it rather is to be esteem'd an example set, the first in English, of ancient liberty recover'd to heroic Poem from the troublesom and modern bondage of Rimeing.
>>23618021"I like to stareAt your derriere"- John "Real One" Milton
>>23617974Gritty drake style, to the groundAs God casteth my spirit from OhioThe Heavens I now depart, for Tomato townWhere the fanum doth taxand the rizzlers grind
>>23618021nothing, he's blind.
>>23618061Brainrot lingo forever corrupted Milton today.
>>23618025Zoomers can't read that
>>23617974spenser mogs
>>23618267i can read thatt. esl zoomba
>>23617994you suck
>>2361806130 years from now, after WWIII, this will be held up as an example of zoomer's post-ironic literature.
>>23618025>thank god for chatgptThe standard here is English heroic verse without rhyme, similar to the epic poems of Homer in Greek and Virgil in Latin. Rhyme is not a necessary part or true decoration of poetry or good verse, especially in longer works. It was invented in a barbaric age to embellish poor content and clumsy meter. Although some famous modern poets have used rhyme due to custom, it has often caused them frustration, limited their expression, and made their work worse than it might have been. For this reason, some notable Italian and Spanish poets have rejected rhyme in both long and short works, as have our best English tragedies for a long time. To discerning listeners, rhyme is trivial and does not provide true musical pleasure, which is found in well-proportioned lines, appropriate syllable counts, and the flow of meaning from one verse to another, rather than in the sound of similar endings. The educated poets and orators of ancient times avoided this flaw. Therefore, the absence of rhyme should not be seen as a flaw, even though it might seem so to unrefined readers. Instead, it should be viewed as an example of regaining the ancient freedom in heroic poetry, freeing it from the troublesome and modern constraint of rhyming.
>>23619752Your only excuse for posting this monstrosity is if you're esl.
>>23618341i like them both equally along with thomas gray
>>23617996He didn't say that.
>>23621158He did through me from beyond.
>>23618341he certainly looks the part of a brutal mogger
poetry that doesn't rhyme is just a sad joke.
>>23621572I'm pretty sure the only people who say this are retards who have no other way of distinguishing poetry from prose.
>>23621572so all greco-roman poetry is shit?
>>23621587poetry arose from Song. just because some ancient gayreek (not all) poets couldn't rhyme does not excuse not rhyming. Songs have to rhyme to sound good. it's just an objective fact. Homer is excused by the fact of being one of the first Western writers of any kind, writing an epic that serves well as prose in itself. consider Poland's national epic Pan Tadeusz written by Adam Mickiewicz - it rhymes. but there is a 2,600 year difference between them and it's most likely Homer was a blind man
>>23621598if you have access to good translations that rhyme, then it's good. but as an Anglo access to good poetry that isn't just pop singing is hard.
Milton has a point about English poetry not needing to rhyme, but I wonder about that application to blank verse. Unrhymed blank verse is a little troublesome in that it sounds so much like plain, ordinary speech, and spoken aloud you wonder if it is even poetry at all. Samuel Johnson once quoted an English peasant reading Milton who said "It's like he's trying to rhyme but can't get the right of it," or something similar.I don't THINK English poetry NEEDS rhyme but maybe iambic pentameter does. Outside of Shakespeare, at least. Shakespeare is wriitng lines of dialogue; Milton is writing poetic action, narration and more, and it doesn't always fit.I think a bigger, more energetic line can work as poetry in English without rhyme. Something larger and stronger, something closer to the Greek dactylic hexameter in its length and power. I have experimented with bigger lines of English verse myself, more dynamic, and have been pleased with the results.
Meter, rhythm and flow are indeed more important than rhyme.But my favorite poems are by Lewis Carroll so I doubt I understand much about poetry.
>>23621646>Meter, rhythm and flow are indeed more important than rhyme.all are important. if you can't do them all, you're just not cut to be a poet. simple as. don't listen to hacks and strive to be the best. don't settle for mediocrity
>>23621601If you think rhyme is the most fundamental element of musical language, words written for singing, i.e. verse, then you are a FUCKING IDIOT.
>>23621663if you think you can link me a good song without any rhymes in it, you're just a dumb faggot
>>23621601Mickiewicz is a talentless hack.
>>23621663You're a fucking hack Grab your poems, take em backSlap your face with fat stacks I'm publishing to the maxWith rhymes that cant chillax Got 10/10 on goodreads from girlies aint had their first bleed Go nuts on your boy Harold BloomWhile I skeet on your mom on shrooms
>>23618025I can understand that cramming rhymes for the sake of it is bad, but so is deliberately avoiding them.
>>23621546People that can't into mysticism seeth harder!
>>23621598Learn how to read! All greco-roman poetry is just a sad joke!
>>23622430but it isn't
>>23617974>>23619752>>23621663>Milton, finding blank verse easier than rhyme, was desirous of persuading himself that it is better.
>>23624475rhyme in an epic poem would sound corny
>>23621839how was he talentless? write a rhymed epic poem of like 400 pages with a stable meter for me right now. you can't
>>23625190Pope's Iliad is GOAT.
>>23625302yeah the gayest of all time
>>23621641it's because of the prevalence of monosyllabic words in english.
I've never read a good English poem that didn't rhyme.
>>23626557https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Beowulf_(Harrison_and_Sharp)
>>23625190Really?
>>23625190>t. never read Dante, Ariosto, Tasso, Spenser, et al
>>23628085Yes
