>>23950531
you should also narrate your audiobook, harlan

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>>23950725
Any furry fantasy recs?

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I just finished Ballad of the White Horse and I loved it. Now I'm wondering if there are other, similar poems out there, either historical or more fantasy-flavored.

If you haven't read Ballad of the White Horse and you like epic fantasy I recommend it. It takes place during a Danish invasion of England written as a mythic retelling of the events. Very fun stuff.

>>23951001
Thanks for the recommendation. How about Idylls of the King?

>>23951025
Sounds pretty cool, thanks

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Almost finished the 2nd book of the three body problem. Pretty good and as usual Da Shi is gigachad

>>23950915
Light on Shattered Water

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>>23950725
Just read Daniel Greene’s books. All I can say is WOW. This guy is going to be the next Sanderson.

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>>23951001
Seconding Idylls of the King.
Would add the Lays of Ancient Rome by Thomas Babington Macaulay. It is four poems covering episodes from the early Roman republic, and two about Protestant victories at the end of the 16th century.
>XXVII
>Then out spake brave Horatius,
>The Captain of the Gate:
>"To every man upon this earth
>Death cometh soon or late.
>And how can man die better
>Than facing fearful odds,
>For the ashes of his fathers,
>And the temples of his gods,

>>23950801
I said it last thread, and I'll say it again. I hate Harlan Ellison's audiobook recordings of Earthsea.
I get that he was good friends with the Le Guins, and it probably helped her sales to have his name on the box.
But he's just so EXTRA and it doesn't match the comfy nature of the novels.
>>23951001
I love historical fiction, especially when it delves into scifi and fantasy. I will check it out.

>read one Asimov short story
>realize that Stephen King story with the murderous car is a ripoff
>read another Asimov short story
>realize that Mass Effect 2 DLC with the autistic guy controlling robots is a ripoff
Is this what life is like for you literatefags? Never having fun with any setting because it turns out they're all stolen from 1940s stories?

what are some great scifi - fantasy audiobook listens? preferably stand alone

>>23951267
Every idea is stolen from a previous idea. You can trace so many things into folklore, the Bible and Greek myths, but then assyriologists dig around and shit that's even older that those stories ripped off.
Why would I enjoy it less, knowing its history?

>>23951275
I really liked The Moon is a Harsh Mistress read by Lloyd James.

>still no DCC7 upload

>>23950915
Redwall

>>23951267
Have you considered reading better literature than the works of a '40s pedophile? The big three of sci-fi are lukewarm in their writing.

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any good sci-fi that have that early 90's vibe like B5?

>>23951365
Mistborn

Yep, I think it's time to reread myth adventures.

>>23951365
A book about life on a space station and interacting with different alien species? I know! How about a fantasy series where seven books take place on the exact same planet and 99% of the cast is a human.
Like the popular book series Mistborn :)

>>23951365
Steven Erikson's Willful Child books are basically Star Trek parodies so they get close to that on occasion

>>23951099
The third book is even better.

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They finally came!
I've been waiting for these for nearly a month.

>>23951445
Cool looking forward to it

Posted in the last thread but got nowhere so Im gonna post once more on the off chance someone knows it.

I once read a book, but I can not remember the name. It was about a kid being kidnapped and raised by these Amazonian blue/purple aliens and falling in love with one. I remember the kidnapping took place in a cornfield/Wheatfield on another planet. The kid was in orphanage for war orphans. If anyone knows the title, please tell me.

I tried chatgpt like someone suggested but it didn't understand it was targeted towards men and kept giving me women's(coomers) romance(goon material) novels.

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Good atmospheric books about castles and strongholds (excepting Gormenghast and The Keep)? Sci-fi, fantasy, nazi Wolfensteins, etc.

>>23951587
Kek

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Reminder
Sanderson>Bakker/Jordan/Tolkien/Goodkind/Wolfe

>>23951587
xD can I post this in r fantasy, my guy?

>>23951593
What about Abercrombie? :)

>>23951599
I prefer Hollister

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>So your discussion on the scene with Torvald Nom, it felt as if you were almost looking for a gotcha moment, not specific to the book but specific to the person. Not with the author but the person. First of all, it was an atrocious misreading of the scene because that scene is transactional, mutual, consensual, roleplaying. The comedic elements to it relate to the fact that Torvald is really bad at roleplaying in that sex scene. So it was the wrong scene to put your pins down on. It is based on the assumption that there is something in there that exposes some falsehood on my part that by writing a book that was very overtly feminist in its approach that I was somehow pulling the wool over everybody's eyes and that there was some boomer chauvinist hiding behind all this stuff. And of course once you reach that level it becomes personal because you guys don't know my life, right? You don't know where I grew up. You don't know the things I experienced. And if I were to tell you that I remember very well the 60s and that the 70s were my teen years with feminism front and center. Feminism was on the streets, it was a very powerful vocal voice demanding equality. That's what I grew up in. And from about 16 onwards every girlfriend I had was a capital left feminist. The woman I married is not just a capital left feminist, she's a in your face fuck you feminist and not shy on her opinions. So the assumption then is "well somehow I fooled her for the last 35 years." It imputes not only me but it imputes her as well so yeah I was pretty incensed at that. This series is not presenting something that is not conviction. The feminism in this series is conviction. It's what I grew up with. It's built into me. It's built into all my relationships and so if I'm feeling that I've been misread or that someone is looking at a book and trying to work out the psychology of me yeah I get rightly pissed off. I think I have the validity to do so and say so. So if you're gonna be looking for these scenes that are somehow going to expose some secret chauvinism on my part then good luck because you're gonna have to badly read the scenes in order to do it

>>23951609
He should take Brandon Sanderson’s writing class.

Please recommend some horror adjacent urban fantasy, where magic and monsters do not feel like they came from a tabletop RPG rulebook. Maybe something closer to Barker's "Damnation Game" and "Cabal", or "Darkfall" by Dean Koontz, but still essentially urban fantasy rather than supernatural horror. I think "Something from the Nightside" by Simon R. Green does this type of blend pretty well, but unfortunately fails at being a decent book overall.

>>23951609
Steve, is your wife in the room right now? Blink twice, slowly.

>>23951365
Ringworld probably, maybe Lensman
>>23951640
Tim Powers - Last Call, maybe? it's a tough ask

>>23951640
Read weaveworld

>>23951640
Faerie Tale by Raymond E. Feist

>>23951640
Try horror short story collections. For example:

North American Lake Monsters by Nathan Ballingrud
Books of Blood (vol. 1-6) by Barker

>>23950000
witnessed and thank you<3

>>23951728
Troon

>>23951267
Yes
Though it does make it even more thrilling when something does feel new

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>>23951365
Babel 17
>>23951275
Neverwhere
>>23951640
Blind Voices
>>23951506
Viriconium

Actually good sff:
>The Time Machine
>Conan
>The Hobbit
>Titus Groan
>The Broken Sword
>The Stars My Destination
>Solaris
>Dune
>Lord of Light
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>The Knight of the Swords
>Swords and Deviltry
>The Forever War
>The Shadow of the Torturer
>Fevre Dream
>Neuromancer
>Bridge of Birds
>Ender's Game
>Assassin's Apprentice
>A Game of Thrones
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Berserk
>Lovecraft's Tales of Horror and the Macabre
>Borges Labyrinths
>Dick's Selected Short Stories
>The Jack Vance Treasury
>John Crowley's Otherwise
>The Very Best of Fantasy and Science Fiction Sixtieth Anniversary Anthology
>The Oxford Book of Science Fiction

What is the Kamala Harris presidency of fantasy books? she won

>>23951359
you better not be saying Heinlein is a lukewarm pedo you motherfucker.
He's a RED HOT hebe chad.

>>23951827
I wonder why Oxford hasn't republished Shippey's book of fantasy. In interviews Shippey always says fantasy books are more profitable than sci-fi.

>>23951609
He needed to say this because those millennial they thems got obnoxiously squeamish at any SA scene when Steve the author was trying to make a point. It never ceased to annoy me lol
instead of: this scene didn't work for me/was too much. you get: THIS SCENE OBVIOUSLY SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE AUTHOR AND HIS PERSONAL PREDILECTIONS.

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>>23951828
Boring platitudes for women?

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Is there ANYONE that can defeat Szeth-son-son-Vallano?

And I'm referring to Szeth bonded to a highspren having sworn the Fourth Ideal so he has access to Shardplate, armed with both his spren's Shardblade and with Nightblood, while Dalinar has the Perpendicularity open so Szeth can never run out of Stormlight to power himself, and having anti-Voidlight spheres that repulse Fused and having Investiture-detecting sand so not even invisible enemies can escape him, and he's wearing his white outfit so the enemy is unnerved knowing who he's fighting?

>>23951599
The Blade Itself is one of the worst fantasy books, I've read, and I've read quite a lot of terrible fantasy books. Generally, I try to finish everything I start, but found myself unable to stomach this nonsense and dropped it halfway through.Lame characters, lame plot, lame setting, banal shit boring lame ass everything, apparently written by an eighth-grader.

>>23952038
fag

>>23951834
Just ordered a copy, hope it's as good as the scifi collection

>>23952035
yeah, me

>>23951827
Pretty decent list.

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>>23951365

>>23952107
its great

Anyone read Perry Rhodan? My dad has a bunch of books but I never started because there's like fucking 300 of them

>>23952122
>>23952107
I actually read this many years ago but had no idea at the time it's part of a fuckhuge series she did, are the other books good?

>>23951177
If you like Greene, you're going to love Cahill. That guy is simply amazing

Just finished Black God's Kiss. So sorry for Jirel and Guillaume, but also mad at them because both are unhinged barbaric fuckwits who brought it all on themselves.

>>23951587
>Car'a'can
>Doesn't even know who Couladin is
try harder next time

I'm trying to download Part 1 of Russian Caravan (Worm fanfic) off Ao3 but the download never starts. Is the problem that the fic is too long? Part 2 can be downloaded just fine
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45709033/chapters/115028266

>>23951827
Just reread Assassin's Apprentice after 20 years or so and it holds up. Why does Hobb not get more recognition here?

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yo i gotta say man brandon sandersons books like changed my life for real i aint even lyin i couldnt read till i was like 19 right and i kinda hated books n school n all that like nothin ever made sense to me ya know but then one day my homie gave me mistborn he said it was good n i thought why not try so i opened it up and like bruh the way sanderson writes like its so easy to understand i just got sucked in like his characters n worlds just hit diff for real real i was readin every night lost track of time n forgot about all my problems

>>23952289
Assassin’s Apprentice sucks. It’s boring as shit. It’s just gloomy boring bullshit.

>>23952314
Exquisite

>>23951355
Yeah I'm waiting too anon, on Kobo so I can't even buy it natively because of amazon bullshit

>>23952143
It's more of a shared setting than a series, most of the books can be read independently, but there are a few sequels and trilogies. They're all pretty good, but after a while you notice how almost all of her protagonists have some combination of amnesia and PTSD, which can get a bit old.

>>23952318
You're right, I should have reread Mistborn instead.

>>23951827
Decent list overall, but why The Hobbit over The Lord of the Rings (or The Two Towers if you wrongly insist on splitting it up), why The Darkness that Comes Before instead of The Judging Eye, and why would you include A Game of Thrones but not The Eye of the World?

>>23952477
I just include the first volume of series, leaving it up to the reader if they want to continue. And the way I see it, if the first volume ain't worth reading on its own, then it ain't worth recommending.

I don't care for Wheel of Time, and do not consider Eye of the World actually good.

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>>23952477
>waste of time

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Can someone download and share the 3 ghost in the shell novels by Junichi Fujisaku on archive with me?

>>23951828
Never mind

>>23951506
Ted is easily my favourite Tolkien artist.

There isn't enough fantasy set in a subterranean realm. I want sword and sorcery mixed with that movie The Descent. Might have to write this myself, for fucks sake.

>>23952607
I like medieval setting in a subterranean world. There was an indie video game like that a long time ago, but I forgot what it's called and couldn't find it.

>>23952611
The Longing? An experimental idle game of sorts. Very interesting stuff, if you're into art-games.

>>23952289
She used to be popular back in 2015. I was looking through some threads and she was recommended and praised all the time.

>>23952617
No it was a 3D game from like a decade ago. I remember some YouTuber played it, maybe RockLeeSmile, but there's too many videos for me to look through.

>>23952627
Arx Fatalis?

>>23952630
No it was later. It's a very obscure indie game. I've literally never seen anyone else mention the game besides that one video of gameplay from a decade ago.

>>23952633
Huh, well I'll be.

>>23952633
I need to know the name of this game now.

Does historical fiction count as fantasy

>>23952675
Yes, history before 1600-1700 is largely made up so it counts as fantasy

>>23952675
No unfortunately

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>>23952607
You should play Arx Fatalis.

>>23951001
>>23951056
Just read Walter scott
lady of the lake is his best

Oh nononononono what have you chuds done, now Rotfuss will be forced to go on another hiatus while Trump is in office and he was just about to finish his magnum opus third book and save the fantasy genre.

>>23952314
you sound like a nigger, the ideal demographic for Sandersoy.

>>23952894
Damn, Gurm will have to take a four-year break again.

>>23952497
The Judging Eye of the first book in its series and while I understand not praising WoT, there is no complaint you can level at WoT that doesn't go double for ASoIaF.

>>23952931
Yes there is: bad writing

Give it to me straight bros: is the No-God going to win?

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>Introduce "Recycler" technology that can break down almost anything into anything else down at the molecular level
>Realize if such a technology existed nobody would need to recycle shit because they could just scoop up rocks and the like and mass produce everything
>Now self producing/glitched machines easily make a gray goo apocalypse event with no in-universe reason as to why this hasn't happened yet
>No reason to do traditional long cryosleep spaceship voyages when self-replicating ships could just go there faster
>Space factions don't even matter if such a broken technology existed since you don't even need to hold territory to just spam unlimited resource and "win"
>Fucked everything up by included one seemingly unimportant sci-fi tech

>>23953189
>Introduce "Recycler" technology that can break down almost anything into anything else down at the molecular level
Diamond Age?

>>23952924
look who crawled out the troll cave tryna talk big behind a screen bet u aint even read a book in ur life watch who u talkin to like that fr i’m just tryna read out here and u mad for what? Racist ass fool

>>23952954
Have you not read ASoIaF?

>>23953139
Gods are gods, no-god is not a god. Do the math.

>>23953189
Why go out of your way to gather up new materials when you can just toss in the shit you're not using anymore? Do you just throw all your trash out of an airlock for some other spaceship to gather up and then into something useful?

>>23951813
no, how come

>>23953270
shut up, nigger.

>>23953357
mods yall gotta ban this dude fr comin at me sideways for no reason like im just tryna talk books and he out here actin wild

>>23952675
Historical novels are basically fanfiction, only the writers rip off history textbooks rather than other people's fiction.

are the black company books after the first 3 worth reading?

>>23953548
You need to go back.

I am on Caldé of the Long Sun and getting unbelievably Christpilled

>>23953592
They are not as good and kind of go downhill from book to book, but are still fine if you really want more BC.

>>23953615
damn. Maybe I'll stop here for now then.

>>23953272
Several times. I greatly enjoy its incredible characters, pacing, worldbuilding, and prose.
Four things Wheel of Time is terrible at.

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Best fantasy books for this feel?

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I am getting fucking fed up of the fucking post box eating my messages when I hit submit.

Has anyone one else read a book like Daniel Black by E William Brown? I would like some recs with similar magical engineering. I know the books are ridiculously smutty, but the logical no asspull shit he does to make magical guns, magical planes, etc etc, to survive the end of the world is hard to find.
I've read those books over and over, and I just finished my yearly reread, and I'm sure enough time has passed for someone to make a knockoff. You can't tell me no one hasn't made a decent knockoff of Daniel Black by now.
Anyone?

>>23953717
I'm pissed that the books end just as the coven reaches a level where the larger factions has to actively consider them.

>>23953714
Terry Goodkind or John Norman, probably.

>>23953597
yo this dude really just say that? mods yall seein this? handle ur boy

>>23953759
yo so i picked up some terry goodkind books thinkin it’d be some classic fantasy vibes but honestly it’s not my thing at all like he tries to make it way deeper than it needs to be n it’s like he’s preachin half the time like he’s tryin to go all philosophical but it just feels like a lecture n not a story and low key some parts feel kinda racist too like idk it’s just a weird vibe plus he’s actin like he’s on some next level stuff but man it’s too much

>>23953733
Have you read anything that compares to them? I've been looking for years, and while a few try to imitate it, they get everything wrong. Or it's some write to market shit that makes no sense (Eric Vall's Writers Farm Metal Mage).

>>23953759
>Terry Goodkind
Legend of the Seeker certainly fits that mood. IDK about the books, since I haven't read them.

I'm looking for time travel FANTASY

>>23953714
My diary desu

>>23953810
Just google time loop litrpg.

>>23953816
I'm aware of the time loop, but I was more interested in going back in time.

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>>23953717
Is his Alice Long series good?

>>23953822
>everyone else was wrong
>I am the only authority to judge what is right
>14yr olds wait till midnight on their 18th birthday to have sex
>that roastie didn't give it away to Chad when she was in high school
I really hate how women influence books, because of them crying, Amazon makes it almost impossible for self published authors to write rape, or mind control. But it's A OKAY when a female authors writes their sick fantasy. I bet she rubs her crotch at the sick shit some females write and praise the writing. But a man writing about the perspective of a girl is an issue.

>>23953810
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
Dragonlance

>>23953821
'Regression' is the keyword you are looking for

>>23953880
That's when the MC goes back to when they were younger? I'm not really interested in that either. My interest with time travel is specifically with the MC having to deal with a new world, like the 19th century Yankee going back 1300 years to the time of King Arthur >>23953878

>>23953822
Better than fimbulwinter for sure, but the biggest problem with EWB is how frustratingly little he actually writes, and 1 book is a lot less than 4.

And as for the image, he explicitly points out that the difference between an android and a human with an artificial body and artificial brain is practically nothing, and Alice is actually older than most of the "adult" androids she interacts with. I'll admit that it does come across a bit weird how often she emphasizes her age, but I suspect that at some point it will be revealed that she was programmed with a mild aversion to sex intentionally to prevent filling up the galaxy with little space Nazi princes and princesses. Honestly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense any other way considering she was raised on a planet with no men and therefore no particular risks involved with sex.

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>>23953694
>incredible prose
>picrel
Gurm is shit at all of those things. Jordan is not a particularly good author, but at least his books offer something more than "medieval England, but all the vaguely tolerable characters die and the most annoying and insufferable character comes back as a zombie to annoy you even more, I bet you didn't see THAT coming!" Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson and JK Rowling fans have the right to enjoy their slop in peace if they so choose, but Gurm and Dan Brown fans are a blight on this world and deserve nothing but eternal torment in the darkest depths of hell.

>>23951598
Sure you can

>>23953962
Is it actually good?

>>23953810
Forgotten Ruin Series
1632
An Island in the Sea of Time

someone check IRC for dungeon crawler carl 7 the inevitable ruin

>>23953977
it is the peak of an entire genre

>>23951177
You trolling or is it actually good? Granted, I don't like Sanderslop so that's not a very convincing thing for me

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I'm going to call out the Wolfe fags on /lit/. You all claim to love Wolfe, but you have only read BOTNS and not any of his other work. You are all fake fans.

>>23954138
That's just not true, anon. I've read the Fifth Head of Cerberus and The Devil in a Forest also.

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>>23953934
Complaining grrm kills all the good characters is basically declaring yourself illiterate. Ned and Rob were never going to make it. Ned is Duke Leto, and Rob might as well have been named Red Herring it's so obvious he can't just go win the war. The story is about Jon Snow and Danearys. Obviously. From the first book it's obvious.

>>23952289
Because it's cuckshit. Next question?

>>23954235
I've read Peace and The Best of Gene Wolfe

I have read literally everything Gene Wilder ever wrote.

Tom Shippey is probably my favorite Tolkien scholar. Pic is him making fun of an archaeology professor who gave him a bad review. He's also made fun of Harold Bloom for not being able to read Proust in French.

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>>23954322

Any Navigator's Children leaks yet?

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I finished Kalevala and loved it, the poetry and rhythm were great. The last chapter with Karelian Jesus was really weird and unexpected, all things considered, but a fitting ending, neatly parallelling the beginning, especially combined with Vainamoinen's departure. The end of an era.

>Finland
grim

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>>23954138
I've read long and short sun too

>>23954387
>he doesn't read Finnish literature
Mikä mättää?

>>23954264
You missed my point. I'm not saying that Ned should have lived, I'm saying that gurm only bothers with character development for characters that he plans on killing off. Jon and Dany are the blandest, most boring characters, therefore they're obviously the ones that will live to the end. From the first book it's obvious.

Anyone have any royal road recs that aren't litrpg. Preferably with a strong romance plot. I need some feel good adventure romance shit to cheer me up.

>>23953139
The most monstruous thing you must realize, Proyas, is that in the end, the Inchoroi must win. Perhaps this year. Perhaps a thousand years from now.

>>23954134
Oh it’s good, real good

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>>23954138
sup

>>23955113
>Operation Ares
Someone has actually read this? Do tell! How is it?

>>23953139
I like to think that the No-God will win in reducing the human population to a very small number before Achamian is able to stomp it with sorcery (possibly by collabing with the severed head holding Kellhus's soul).
This small number will mean the Outside is calmed, the old gods are dead, and Mimara will be the new prophet of mankind and her teachings will inaugurate a new, kinder Outside.

Does seem a little optimistic for Bakker tho.

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What am I in for?

>>23955127
The movie is literally the worst I've ever seen. When I watched it in theaters, I got a headache, not from loud noise, from annoyance at how bad it was. I tried to give it a 2nd chance recently via streaming from the comfort of my home, but I couldn't finish the movie.

>>23955113
Are you that Armin guy? He hasn't been here in years, he probably cried like a bitch when Wolfe passed. RIP

>>23955139
>go see a sci-fi movie
>movie opens up with a white woman cheating on her husband with a black man, this has no real relevance to the plot and is never brought up again but it was important that the audience sat through it as a humiliation ritual
Yeah I'm not a fan

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What book is most like the end sequence of Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty with the Militech facility

>>23951470
Sounds like avatar

>>23955148
Avatar was ripped off from a Poul Anderson story lol

>>23953934
There's nothing wrong with that passage. It flows well, has good verbage, good context, and we can all relate to Sunset without needing excessive purple prose

>>23955148
No they blue alien women were the invaders

>>23955143
no my name is Kai. I have the bookshelf that saved /sffg/

>>23952289
Because it falls apart after that and turns into endless miseryporn and literal gay garbage.

>>23955157
Bakker describes shitting oneself to death much more artfully.

>>23955252
What about the desert bro that wanted to put a library in an old shipping container?

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This is amazing

>>23954827
You never read the books.

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This really sucks.

>>23955543
I read the first three and then stopped because they were shit.

>>23955550
Mind using your words to explain what you dislike about it?

>>23955592
I tried reading this and the prose is really dry, mind you I read this just after the black prism which is pure american action slop

>>23955113
Based

>>23955592
The main character is a rich, smug, snarky, crippled, genius, sociopathic (but he cares about you :3 ), unparalleled-at-fighting 17 year old with a tragic backstory who runs circles around everyone using his giant brain and cool logical skills. I get that it's YA, but this is isekai levels of wish fullfilment.

>Prelude to Space by C. S. Lewis
An Epithaliamium

So Man, grown vigorous now,
Holds himself ripe to breed,
Daily devises how
To ejaculate his seed
And boldly fertilize
The black womb of the unconsenting skies.

Some now alive expect
(I am told) to see the large,
Steel member grow erect,
Turgid with the fierce charge
Of our whole planet's skill,
Courage, wealth, knowledge, concentrated will,

Straining with lust to stamp
Our likeness on the abyss-
Bombs, gallows, Belsen camp,
Pox, polio, Thais' kiss
Or Judas, Moloch's fires
And Torquemada's (sons resemble sires).

Shall we, when the grim shape
Roars upward, dance and sing?
Yes: if we honour rape,
If we take pride to Ring
So bountifully on space
The sperm of our long woes, our large disgrace.

>Science-fiction Cradlesong by C. S. Lewis
By and by Man will try
To get out into the sky,
Sailing far beyond the air
From Down and Here to Up and There.
Stars and sky, sky and stars
Make us feel the prison bars.

Suppose it done. Now we ride
Closed in steel, up there, outside
Through our port-holes see the vast
Heaven-scape go rushing past.
Shall we? All that meets the eye
Is sky and stars, stars and sky.

Points of light with black between
Hang like a painted scene
Motionless, no nearer there
Than on Earth, everywhere
Equidistant from our ship.
Heaven has given us the slip.

Hush, be still. Outer space
Is a concept, not a place.
Try no more. Where we are
Never can be sky or star.
From prison, in a prison, we fly;
There's no way into the sky.

>An Expostulation by C. S. Lewis
Against too many writers of science fiction

Why did you lure us on like this,
Light-year on light-year, through the abyss,
Building (as though we cared for size!)
Empires that cover galaxies
If at the journey's end we find
The same old stuff we left behind,
Well-worn Tellurian stories of
Crooks, spies, conspirators, or love,
Whose setting might as well have been
The Bronx, Montmartre, or Bedinal Green?

Why should I leave this green-floored cell,
Roofed with blue air, in which we dwell,
Unless, outside its guarded gates,
Long, long desired, the Unearthly waits
Strangeness that moves us more than fear,
Beauty that stabs with tingling spear,
Or Wonder, laying on one's heart
That finger-tip at which we start
As if some thought too swift and shy
For reason's grasp had just gone by?

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yo /lit/ yall are triflin for real hypin up this bakker dude like he some kinda genius i pick up Prince of Nothing thinkin imma get some dope fantasy n all i get is a headache bruh words so big i don’t even know if they real n the story don’t even make sense half the time n yall didnt tell me bout all the weird gay stuff in it either baka yall out here playin games

>>23955746
frfr no cap brah

>>23955550
>reads modern YA slop
>complains that is slop
Many such cases in these threads!

>>23955550
>Netflix
>NYT "Best Seller" List
>Female Author
If only they gave you some clues that it would suck.

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I am so sick to death of the Venli and Navani chapters.

>>23955912
see >>23955806 !

>>23955917
Not YA

>>23955806
>>23955917
YA doesn't HAVE to suck. Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, and The Chronicles of Narnia are all YA books, and they're pretty good inb4 you say all those books suck.

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>>23955912
sandersoys get what they deserve

>>23955543
Not him, but I have read them and Jon and Dany are indeed boring and cliche as hell. Yeah, I imagine Dany might eventually die, but not even GRRM will bother to hide the fact that Jon will miraculously come back, if he died at all.

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>There is a good case to be made for suggesting that Tolkien is the most popular poet of the twentieth century, certainly the verse embedded throughout The Lord of the Rings and his other fictions of Middle Earth must count as the most widely read poetry of the century. (p 243)
Source: pic

>>23950725
Any good fantasy / scifi reads for someone who wants to get into reading. historical fiction also works. thanks

>>23956019
Start with the The Hobbit
Also check out Howard's Conan stories
She by Haggard
Kim by Kipling
The White Company by Doyle

>>23956035
sure

Just saw 14 books of the wheel of time at my local library. What's that about? All I know about it is that it goes to shit after a certain point

>>23956096
>What's that about?
The male half of magic is corrupted and drives men insane, as a result women spend 3000 years fucking everything up until Tyr, Odin and Thor incarnate to unfuck everything.

>>23956110
Sounds dreadfully uninspired. I think I take a few other looks at the selection later today

>>23956125
It's 80's anime fun, it was never trying to be super original, it's just meant to be entertaining which is mostly accomplishes despite a bit of a slog in the middle books.

>>23956130
Well, I dont have to pay for them, so I'll check out the first book then

>>23956125
What's inspired to you? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious.

>>23955993
Come on, mang. He can't be the most popular POET as well.

>>23956181
Name a poet that normies read. You can't. You just can't.

>>23956186
Maya Angelou they only read her prose just like with Tolkien

>>23955488
Why?

>>23955550
>YA slop.
Your fault.

>>23955693
tl;dr: poetry is gay

>>23955746
this faggot again

>>23955912
you can skip all their chapters and not miss anything.

>>23956110
>Tyr, Odin and Thor
I hadn't thought of them that way before. I assume that's Mat, Rand, and Perrin respectively?

>>23951355
>still no upload
>kemono still not updated from late July

>>23956621
Mat is Odin. That's supposed to be the easy one.

>>23956748
Yeah he gets hanged and fights with a staff, pretty clear cut stuff

Are the 5th and 6th Dune books worth reading?

>>23956794
Only for the /ss/ faps

>>23956794
No.

>>23956794
Absolutely not.

>>23956019
>historical fiction also works
Check out Blood Meridian, it's easy to read and weirdly compelling.

I'm writing a book with the premise of forced births. But men are forced to breed with women in a dystopian hellhole. How much smut should I put in?

>>23956794
Don't bother reading books 1-4 if you won't read 5 & 6.

I'm almost done with the fourth Wheel of Time book. Here's how I rank the series so far:
The Shadow Rising>The Great Hunt>The Dragon Reborn>The Eye of the World

>>23956913

How forced are we talking about, is breeding only allowed for a certain class of people with an acceptable IQ?

>>23956913
That's forced for only for 1 generation who didn't live in that world. They could just groom children into voluntarily doing it. Idaten Deities has some female demons who steal 2 human babies, and once they're like 10 years old they're asking the demons for more sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLRZoj6tPh0

>>23956986
Eugenics forced.
>MC is a 6'3 blue eyed black haired Chad
>His job is to impregnate women to create more chads like himself
>It's his job and can't find pleasure without drugs
>Eugenics gone wrong
Plot: the man watches his friend (homosexual) commit suicide from the constant snu snu, and the MC escapes. He sees his "sons" die in war and his "daughters" bred by other chads and possibly himself. He finds the manlets and other undesirables working hard labor and then kills himself or start a rebellion. I haven't decided.

>>23956157
see
>>23955113

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Mistborn is my first Sanderson. Finished the second book and this shit is pretty bad. Do I bother finishing the third and are the rest of his series this poor?

>>23955693
>mfw ejaculating seed and fertilizing unconsenting black womb

>>23957067
Do you like watching an author pull shit out of his ass?

>>23957021
Why is the dystopian eugenics government not just harvesting sperm?
Conscription in the snusnu-trauma factory takes chads out of any actually productive workforce. Chadspunk could be acquired via suction tube and an electrode up the ass, then shoved into women via icing syringe, all for a fraction of the cost and effort. Why would a state so ruthless as to establish an industrialised rape policy not be ruthless enough to optimise the human intercouse out of the process?

If the only reason is that the fuck-factory is the vital foundation of the story, then you should make it 100% smut, as there's not really a point in trying to do anything serious beyond exploring your own kinks.

>>23957067
The third mistborn is closer to the second than the third in terms of quality, but maybe a little bit better.

I personally really liked the first 2 stormlight books, but 3 has pretty bad pacing issues and 4's kinda dogshit.

Warbreaker is fun, Elantris is stupid but kinda cool, Emperor's Soul is pretty good, don't bother with the rest

>>23957083
Because it is a false "happiness" job. I learned the past 4 years, people will be willing to subject themselves to menial and soul sucking jobs because they have no hope (80's to 00's dystopian mentality) or they believe it is for the greater good (20's mentality). You will own nothing and be happy, get the vax for the good of all, etc. in this case. Snusnu the foulest and ugliest women to purify the gene pool and create chads for the good of women and the government. Why capture and enslave chads and rectal probe them when you can send them a false happiness they get to have sex all day as a job.

>>23957067
Mistborn 2 and 3 are his worst books, then Elantris. My recommendation is usually to start with Warbreaker, if you don't enjoy that you won't enjoy any of his work. If you decide to keep going, read Stormlight 1 next, if you get into that then go find a guide on reddit or something that shows you the right order to read the other books relative to the Stormlight series.

>>23957681
There are guides in the OP of this thread.

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Sando isn't worth getting into unless you want to check out his standalones/earlier titles maybe. The Cosmere will never be completed, as a grand overarching narrative.

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Wew. Finished this finally. What a piece of shit.
Any books like Before They Are Hanged/Best Served Cold?

>>23957817
Gene Wolfe's worst novel has more value than all of Sando's books combined. He has no worth

>>23957146
>Why capture and enslave chads and rectal probe them when you can send them a false happiness they get to have sex all day as a job.
Who said anything about capture and enslave? The point is that all the productivity of this labour could be achieved in a daily 10 minute session at the suction station, and then chad can be put to something more productive than the writers fetish for all the rest of the day.
Give them a job at a proper factory that actually produces goods, then have them fill a cup at the end of the shift. They get fed the same hopeless menial false-happiness without having to build a retarded rape industrial complex.

>>23957817
Are you retarded? Stormlight Archive is finished, the final book is being released next month. It's the early titles that are abandoned.

I’m not a reader, but I read the first page of “The shadow of the torturer” online and for some reason can’t stop thinking about it. I can read very well but never properly learned grammar, like I don’t know or care to know what nouns, pronouns, adjectives are. If I buy this book am I going to have a problem, will I be fucking fucked? I can read very well, just never learned the classifications and structure of my English language. Let me know please if this book will slap me down, I can always just stick to playing Elden Ring and Silent Hill 2. Ok, thanks,

>>23957881
I haven't read it and I'm just a casual sfslop enjoyer, not an English major, but I just read the first page and I'm not sure what you're worried about. Can you post the specific passage that has you concerned?

>>23957881
Huh? I'm the same and can read fine. What's the problem?

>>23957886
>>23957891
I was concerned not because the first page, but because I was reading reviews and watching some youtube videos on the book. Seems some people have been struggling with some of the language, and also it’s seems they’ve been having trouble with complexities the book presents. I just didn’t want to get the book which seems to have been written by a mega mind, to find out my reading prowess is actually retard level. Maybe I’ll pop into the middle of the book and read two pages and also two pages towards the end, that should tell me if it’s over my head.

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the real paradox of this novel is how it has so many 4 and 5 star ratings and barely anything 3 and below. it is truly dogshit and is written by what i can only assume is a horny 14 year old after being given a generic scifi outline. instead of world building did you know you can just name a bunch of every day objects and add a futuristic sounding affix to them to make it ~sCiEnCe FicTioN~ like wristcom, digicode, holo-bench, holo-window, holorium, holo-column, holo-drive? wow it's like i'm really in the future

>>23957936
>wristcom, digicode, holo-bench, holo-window, holorium, holo-column, holo-drive
yeah that's pretty lazy but neologisms is how you build a legacy as a sci-fi writer. if you can coin the next thing 100 other authors are gonna steal, you made it.
biononics, macrocellular clusters, enzyme-bonded concrete... my favorite is waldoes. i figured it was some sort of mechanical manipulator, but still had to look it up.

>>23956621
Rand is Tyr, one handed god of War. Mat is Odin, hence his spear fighting and constant association with Ravens. Perrin is Thor, hence the hammer. There's more to it though, Rand also has a whole lot of Lucifer in him, what with the whole "Lord of the Morning" thing. Each character has a positive and negative allegory to represent possible outcomes. For example, Mat is a gifted military command and has his Odin angle, but on the other hand, it's no coincidence that he has a secret police that wear red armbands and a penchant for jackboots. Perrin has the human/wolf dichotomy, and Rand has the Messiah/Antichrist angle.

>>23957945
yeah it makes sense they want to hit upon the trendy new scifi term and i don't mind the words themselves so much, just that lazy authors take it too far

>>23957874
>Stormlight Archive is finished
Anon... it's a ten book series...

>>23951463
nice

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Why does he have to be such a dirty old man?

I was planning on reading Stranger in a Strange Land next, and now I don't even want to.

>>23958102
kek Stranger in a Strange Land is a massive step up in him being a dirty old man horn-dog

>>23958106
Shit. Thanks for the warning, I guess.

For a long time I had thought of historical fiction as the perviest genre. Clearly naive.

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>>23953592
>>23953615
I've been missing out on it for the longest time until just now, and having read halfway through the first book I gotta ask.

Why tf is it so poorly written? Glen Cook obviously has a number of neat ideas and that panache to make them cool and interesting, but holy shit even most furry porn fanfiction out there has less mangled prose and pacing.

>>23957926
Just read brah comprehension comes at the end

>>23957881
>If I buy this book am I going to have a problem, will I be fucking fucked?
It's going to be a problem but it's by design. You're supposed to be occasionally confused by wtf Severian exactly means to say, for reasons that eventually become apparent.

>>23957827
I really liked the Heroes, especially Calder's storyline. In fact, if the whole book had focused on only him it would've probably improved it. Still a great book, though

>>23957817
Holy shit... it might be slop but I legit admire his work ethic. And from what I saw there's still some books that aren't in that list

>>23958217
Nah, I really enjoyed Gorst's POV in The Heroes. Maybe just a Union/North in Gorst/Calder with Casualities in between would be great. I still think Best Served Cold was his best, Trouble with Peace had potential but goddamn does Wisdom of Crowds suck just like Last Argument of Kings

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>>23953592
If you're not going to bother with any further books at least read the Silver Spike since it caps off the Northern Trilogy story.

>>23957827
Savine is so fcking boring its unreal
>*snorts pearl dust*
>muh money
>muh zurri
>muh valbeck

>>23958136
>Why tf is it so poorly written? Glen Cook obviously has a number of neat ideas and that panache to make them cool and interesting, but holy shit even most furry porn fanfiction out there has less mangled prose and pacing.
because the premise is it's supposed to be a war journal as written by the company record keeper, and not a novel. cook also really likes the old "cool shit was happening, but we were elsewhere" trope.

>>23958258
My favorite was Croaker just saying
>we took the fort
Or whatever his summary of the siege was

>>23958258
>because the premise is it's supposed to be a war journal as written by the company record keeper
Why does Croaker, supposedly a 40+ yo company veteran, a peerless physician, a unique polyglot and all around an intellectual, write like a 15 yo retard?

>>23958281
Because he's writing for simpletons. When his annals are one day read out loud he wants them be to be understood by rank and file.

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>>23957835
>Wolfe out of nowhere
You contribute nothing to this thread, newfag.
>>23957874
How fucking ignorant can you be?

>>23958362
>>23957817
sandershit is trash for low IQ subhumans
kill yourself YA reader

>>23958367
Point out in either of my posts where I stated that Sanderson was high quality.
Go look for an argument elsewhere, newfag nigger.

>>23958362
Why do you keep posting these chart things that are outdated by years? And why would the fact that Dragonsteel might not be finished affect whether you choose to read Stormlight Archive, a completed series? There's definitely reasons not to read it, but "it will never be finished" is not one of them.

>>23958328
>When his annals are one day read out loud he wants them be to be understood by rank and file.
That requires clear writing, which is the opposite of the book does.

Consider the part where the company gets Raker with a trap. The sorcerers and the Soulcatcher set up a shitton of treasures in a public square of a town, protected by a spell so that they can only be taken if Raker's head is placed there (btw I cannot comprehend how this is different from literally just publicly setting a bounty on him). Two paragraphs down Croaker is describing his discussion of how this trap has broken the faith and spirit of the rebels. Wtf? What? How? How the fuck does one go from "there's a ton of money waiting for anyone who kills one of our leaders" to "oh woe is us, we're broken and losing, our cause is hopeless"? And Soulcatcher then spends half a page explaining how they must not go after Raker themselves under any circumstances because that ruins her entire plan, until Raker stabs Otto so Raven just kills him and TBC pockets the treasure. Ok. Wtf is going on again?

The latter is additionally annoying, because it seems like the only way events ever happen is TBC fellows getting into some stupid shit, getting one of their own maimed or killed, and then going on a revenge bender to kill anyone who "dared to harm one of our own", which involves some more stupid shit that gets another one of them hurt and leads to another dumbass vengeance debacle. That's the only way things happen with TBC.

Between that and the utter lack of any discipline or subordination in the company, I absolutely can't buy them as a badass mercenary unit - they are an overlevelled PC party in a Chaotic Retarded D&D campaign, complete with dumbass shenanigans between the wizards and inexplicable mutual loyalty between a bunch of rapist mass murderers who explicitly are doing it for the money (which they never get to spend because you can only leave TBC legs first).

>>23958005
Anon... it's two separate five-book series...

>>23958436
Because the entire gestalt of the Cosmere has been known since last decade and the excuses over the past 15 years only add up.
> And why would the fact that Dragonsteel might not be finished affect whether you choose to read Stormlight Archive
I never said this.
>Stormlight Archive, a completed series
You have already been told that SA is a 10 book series and SA was known to be a 10 book series when the first book released. I won't waste more of my time with your purposeful bad faith acting.

>>23957857
No no no. Chads has to breed on the hour every hour. After the 10 minute milking session, he's going to file paperwork, rest, take drugs, drink water, and maintain Chad physique. Then said chads need to abort non viable babies. Producing goods is for the manlets and other undesirables. Giga Stacie's are their bosses.

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Question - is there a website that goes over book covers and information on different editions? I am starting a book collection for my son as well I also enjoy collecting certain books. I picked up a book of an author I enjoy for $1 and found out that the book was a first edition. If anyone knows of a site that goes over different cover variations I would love to know of it. Thanks.

Also - when has this place been so hard to post? I don't often post on 4chan but the 15 minute wait and the captchas (going on multiple times now) make it really hard to post here...

Hope stormlight archive's book 5 ends with dalinars gay autistic son bravely deciding he wants to top the bug creature boyfriend for once

>>23958478
>excuses over the past 15 years
wat? Are you saying Sanderson hasn't been delivering all this time? He's maybe a third of the way into his career and he's already published more words than most authors write in their entire lives, with no sign of slowing down. I can understand people saying Sanderson needs to figure out how to write better; I can't comprehend someone saying he needs to figure out how to write *more*.

>I never said this.
You said that because the Cosmere will never be finished (whatever it means for a setting to be "finished") it's not worth reading the completed series set in it. How is that different, and how does it make any sense at all?

>You have already been told that SA is a 10 book series and SA was known to be a 10 book series when the first book released.
I did not and it's not true. It's a 10 book series in the same way that Mistborn is a 14 book series or whatever, which is to say it isn't.

>>23955041
Qrd on what it's about? What do you think are its strengths?

>>23958225
>just like Last Argument of Kings
Man, gotta disagree on this one, except maybe the ending. I really enjoyed how everything played out during the climax in LAOK.

I considered buying Best Served Cold but the premise didn't motivate me that much

A Kellian Gnostic Zaudunyani New Imperial Mandati sorcerer was teaching a class on Anasurimbor Kellhus, known false prophet. ”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Kellhus and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the World has ever known, even greater than Inri Sejenus!”
At this moment, a brave, pro-salvation, skinspy champion who had served Golgotterath for 1500 years and understood the necessity of Mog-Pharau and fully supported all military decision made by the Holy Consult stood up.

”How does one achieve salvation, dog?”
The arrogant sorcerer smirked in a Nilnameshi way and smugly replied “by following our Lord-and-Prophet in life and death”
”Wrong. If Kellhus is the God-of-Gods, then why are the souls of Men still fodder for the hungering Outside?”

The sorceror was visibly shaken, and dropped his quill and copy of the Rehabilitation of Sorcery. He stormed out of the room crying those Zaudunyani crocodile tears. The same tears Kellians cry for the “caste-menials” (who today live in such luxury that most own ancestor tablets) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving caste-nobles. There is no doubt that at this point our sorcerer wished he hadn’t grasped the heart of Chigra and become more than a sophist Mandati blasphemer. He wished so much that he had a weapon of light to immolate him from embarrassment, but he himself had campaigned against the Tekne!

The students applauded and all joined the Consult that day and accepted Ark as their lord and savior. An Inchoroi named “Eternal Salvation” flew into the room and perched atop the Sign of the Horns and shed a tear on the soggomant. The Inverse Fire was stared into several times, and the Progenitors themselves showed up and enacted a mass culling across the World.

The sorcerer lost his tenure and was thrown to the Sranc pits the next day. Death came swirling down and his soul was tossed into the Outside. Agony and wickedness chattering with famished glee… demons, come to pull his outside through his inside, to invert and expose, to bare his every tenderness to fire and gnashing teeth.

Hail the Old Fathers!

>>23958645
>Death came swirling down
Fucking lost it here.

>>23958552
try out isfdb
lists all the different publications of a work. not all the cover images are necessarily uploaded however

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7841

>>23957817
If I need a graph to understand wtf I am reading, I think I'd rather not. I read the first Mistborn trilogy and kinda-sorta liked it. The fight with the spike guys was badass. I thought the first and maybe the second book of Stormlight Archive was great. I feel personally a lot of the flavor went out when they started overly explaining things and not leaving the mystery in. His friend the Spren, his powers, etc. And stretching out the discovery/reveal out longer. There's a lot of love and hate about both the series. It felt like trying to cram too much in all at once.

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>>23958664
It's more of a "here exists a metaverse and which books are included within". Many of them can be read as standalone.
You could also simply read better books. Cosmere is a prime example of unfulfilled/wasted potential.

>>23953759
Get ready for a literary surprise at the 2/3 to 3/4 mark at the end of Wizard's First Rule. Lol.

>>23958670
>Cosmere
I thought the concept of the Cosmere was him trying to connect all his works together in this kind of meta-cosmic story telling attempt?

>>23958225
>>23958217
I liked Whirrun of Bligh, but the rest of Craw's dozen wasn't up to much. Shame he wasn't a perspective character.

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>>23958675
The Cosmere, specifically, takes place within a dwarf galaxy. It involves the concept of a 'god' - Adonalsium - being killed off by another faction, split into 16 Shards (e.g., Honor, Ruin, Preservation, Cultivation, etc.), and the ensuing wacky ramifications of what happened afterward.
Not all of his works are Cosmere-related, like Skywind, and some of his works were originally intended to be Cosmere but became standalone.

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>ribofunk
>currency is called ETH
>trump had a term in the office as president, it didn't end well for him
wait a second... this was published in 1996? how?

>>23958685
Ah, that makes sense now. It makes it apparent especially with your comment:
>Honor, Ruin, Preservation, Cultivation,
I originally thought it was something like taking the mantel of the position that exemplifies these qualities and pursuing them to their extremes to retain or aquire said power and position. With a dash of powers connected to it if done so. But it seems far more deity/divine in nature now. I wonder, is there an underlying idea in the books that humans, when they exemplify extremes become proto/psuedo-gods or god-like? Something like virtues and anti-virtues? Maybe I'm just extracting and extrapolating out too much.

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>>23958708
>taking the mantel of the position that exemplifies these qualities and pursuing them to their extremes to retain or aquire said power and position
A Vessel can be affected, to varying degrees, by a Shard's trait. IIRC, Rayse, Odium's Vessel, used to be calmer but holding the Shard for so long twisted him into something monstrous. And a Shard affecting the Vessel is one reason why Hoid refuses to hold one again, iirc.

>is there an underlying idea in the books that humans, when they exemplify extremes become proto/psuedo-gods or god-like? Something like virtues and anti-virtues? Maybe I'm just extracting and extrapolating out too much.
Through some of the magic systems like Surgebinding and its Nahel bond, certainly.

>>23958663
Big thanks!

>>23958696
What the fuck is BIOPUNK as a genre?

>>23958720
No idea, from the name, I can only assume it's maybe like biological modification futurism?

No-God when

>>23958362
It's not wolfe out of nowhere. I want you to stop reading slop. I want you to be better is all. I want you to help me repeal the 19th. And the first step to that is reading good literature and eating red meat

>>23958772
After Winds of Winter but before Doors of Stone

>wolfefag cannot post without inserting 2022+ buzzwords
I'm not a newfag please do not perform your mating calls within my vicinity

>>23958720
It's Cyberpunk, but instead of robot limbs people have genetic augmentations.

>>23959004
>can't even reply to me
lol scared faggot?

>>23959029
NTA but if you use the word "slop" the rest of your post is automatically invalid, sorry.

>>23959067
chinklit, webnovels, YA 50 book milked series, etc
All are slop. Give me a better word then, king.

>>23959070
>Give me a better word then, king.
Drivel
Garbage
Shit

>>23958664
That chart is more complicated than it has to be, more than half of it is dedicated to "standalone" series that aren't related to any other. I don't see why anyone bothered making a chart showing that Reckoners 2 comes after Reckoners 1.

>>23958675
Yeah, basically. The idea is that all of the "cosmere" series are set in the same universe, but on different planets with different magic systems. The early books in each series only have cameos for characters from other worlds (you might have noticed Captain Demoux from Mistborn showing up briefly in Stormlight 1 or Vasher from Warbreaker in Stormlight 2), but deeper into each series the crossovers are more obvious and more important (Nightblood showing up in Stormlight is probably the most plot-affecting one so far). At the same time that Stormlight is happening, the planet from Mistborn is actually in the near future compared to real life technology-wise, and they have spaceships traveling between the planets. There's also magical ways to travel between times and places.

>>23958708
>Once upon a time there was a god
>A bunch of people decided they didn't like the god and killed him
>The god's power shattered into 16 shards, each embodying an aspect of the god
>Holding a shard gives you its power, the shard itself has an intent but interpreting that intent is up to the holder (for example, by holding Ruin you can destroy things in order to make new things, but not destroying things isn't an option)
>The people that killed him each took one of the shards, then they decided to split up so the god's power wouldn't become reunified
>They ended up splitting up a little but several systems had two or more shareholders
>They all ended up creating humans again independently because what's the point of being a god with no one to worship you
>The shard of assholeness decided to go around killing all of the shards that broke the agreement by shacking up together
>This causes the events of Stormlight and Elantris

>>23959320
>They all ended up creating humans again independently
no they didn't lol

scadrians are artificial, as is the planet. that's about the main confirmed "created humans". a huge plot point of stormlight is rosharans being nonnatives, i think they're yolan immigrants or some shit.

>>23959331
On Roshar in particular the "humans" they created were bug people, everywhere else it's humans.

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>>23959349
singers descend from dawnsingers, and both predate the Shattering
do you think the Shattering wiped out life in the galaxy? either way, i digress. not every shard decided to create an artificial lifeform.

also i was wrong. rosharan humans were ashyn immigrants.

How anal are you when to comes to cover styles in series set? Do you have different covers/pressings of the same series

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>>23959553
I am very pro-anal

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is this accurate, I kind of want to read this now.

I'm dooming and I need to read something /believable/ to get me out of it. I've reached a "logical" conclusion for Humanity that is terribly cynical, and in recent years my thoughts, experiences, and observations have compounded on that summation. There are stories that capture that sense of optimism despite hardship; that "utopia is a verb" and can be achieved through strife; that we can largely retain what many consider the core of our condition. My biggest problem with the greatest of these that address the worst aspects of our being, though, such as Star Trek or Lancer, is that despite the losses and hardship suffered to achieve those great heights of equity and altruism, the figurative (or literal) Hand of God is needed to deliver us from ourselves—our uplifting is never properly earned, as we never overcome our worst proclivities on our own.

I'm not particularly well-read as a hobbyist, so I'm hoping the great ocean of ideas has something to give me new perspective. Anyone got some copium they can recommend?

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>>23960010
you WILL be stuck in the l**sh farm
you WILL like it

>>23960010
Ah, for clarity some direct references to "the Hand of God" as a device would be the aforementioned Lancer with Ra and associated diety-like entities, Star Trek and the Vulcan, and a third would be The Culture's Minds.

>>23958362
Sanderslop yuniverse

>>23960010
Stop this line of thought. You don't need a book to change your mind, just change it yourself. Stop thinking about shit like this immediately. Develop some hobbies and go for a run every time you want to start thinking about existence. Nihilism can actually kill you, believe in anything else.

>>23960155
I am socialized, exercised, and have hobbies. This is not some new, naive contention. This is decades of trying to cope at this point. It's hard to stay motivated when my only conclusion about all around is is that "in the short-term, psychopathy will win, and soon after we will strive only for efficiency as a collective." All I can see in our future is something akin to the borg, and this would be fine if I didn't see a direct path from a more immediate dystopia and never leaving it, transitioning almost directly into a Singularity era and soon after the culling of our humanity.

I wish I could just be selfish. I'm capable, privileged. I'm set. But I have no internal motivation and thus look outwards, and neither end of this collective seems worth any effort to continue contributing to.

So just give me some good recommendations that might convince me I'm a fuckin' brainlet and this species is worth reveling in. Only rule is that we have to get past the worst parts of ourselves without outside policing.

>>23960212
Thomas Covenant series, kind of? It's centered around a guy contending with his own fatalism and despair (literal for the latter). Doesn't really cover all people but maybe it will make you feel better.

>>23960212
> "in the short-term, psychopathy will win, and soon after we will strive only for efficiency as a collective."
But that's the exact opposite of what happens in the real world? Psychopathy is antisocial behavior and most psychopaths have an IQ of 80, they don't define society they're the absolute dregs of it.
> All I can see in our future is something akin to the borg,
And this is also the exact opposite of real life, where greater individuality as opposed to the collective has been the general trend of human thought.
You are not being logical, you're being childish.

>>23960010
Eucatastrophe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucatastrophe

>>23953962
Sanderson will finish it. Trust the plan.

>>23951285
I cannot enjoy trashy isekai anime anymore after realizing they're all simply aping the epic of gilgamesh

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>>23960747
>Gilgamesh and Enkidu fight
>then they become best friends
Wow it really is every anime ever made

>>23958645
>>23958651
why does hakker like that phrase so much anyway

>>23960789
Reminds him of all the swirlies his bullies used to give him

>>23960155
>don't believe in a popular religion?
>you MUST be a nihilist!

>>23960465
>thinks psychopathy makes you stupid all around
>doesn't know that -paths exist in higher quantities in top leadership positions like corporation owners and CEOs
Your ignorance is childish and non-logical, and pretending that this world is ran and operated naturally by those at the top is downright fucking stupid.

>>23960789
It's from the Iliad, numbnuts.

>>23960783
>goddess of fertility tries to do some shady business with me
>No Way Fag
>kill the Bull of Heaven with my best bro
>that's my ninja way

>>23959983
yeah a heightlet slavecel chadmaxxes and racemaxxes to get revenge

>>23960902
>He thinks psychopaths get to leadership positions as a result of their high IQ rather than as a result of their psychopathy

>>23960902
That anon >>23961185 got a point. -paths existing in higher quantities in top leadership positions does not prove that -paths have a higher IQ and/or intellectual capability. The alternative hypothesis is, just like it was pointed out, that -paths tend to outplay sane individuals in competition for limited leadership roles, regardless of intelligence capacities (as -paths are infinitely more likely to game the system entirely, making the actual merits irrelevant).

To support your conclusions you'd need to prove that -pathies are not only prevalent among leadership, but less common among the lower classes - that they actually tend to float to the top from the bottom. Which is LOL, LMAO even.

>>23961185
>>23961221
Let's just do a quick survey of a bunch of CEOs and ask them how they would feel if they hadn't had breakfast this morning, that'll clear things up nicely

>>23960468
Ah, yes, this terms fits. Neat to have a word, thank you.

>>23960465
OG doomposter here. Hate to potentially send you down the doomer hole, but spend some time actually studying human behavior, both contemporaneously and historically. "Psychopathy" was a convenient can to shove things into to point at, and more points to the most immediate developments and power-brokers we see in corporate consolidation. On a greater scale, though, Certain patterns hold true, and are continuing to play-out despite modern self-evaluation. Because for some that evaluation has determined that those weaker parts of the greater whole that resign to luxury and excess—waste in the face of greater problems—are to be excised.

That is where psychopathy tips the scale. We are approaching a point of unsustainability in many ways. Whether its our industrial agriculture practices writ large, carbon excess in our atmosphere, or the psychological torpor of the majority with no occupation given occupation to push them forward, we need to downscale. Unfortunately, that downscaling coincides with the culmination of Capitalism and its incentives, which, based on reliable predictive metrics and forecasting of technological advancements, will lead into the (protracted) Singularity.

"Humanity" and its volatile emotions, its unpredictability under duress, its penchant for serving the unit over the whole should thus be shed of that excess, and will be in the coming centuries. More immediately, I hope you like the most dour of our storytellers' dystopias, because that's what your children get. Until robotics reaches a sophistication to replace them, they will be consigned to 50+ hours of physically-demanding trades or labour to keep up.

Being surrounded by people who grew-up with privilege and able to do what they want, I almost agree with all this, too, seeing how some of the "best" of us (see: birthed into moral convenience) are content to continue indulging (as best they can continue to) in their luxury lifestyle that's propped-up by slave-states. The silver lining here is mass-immigration initiatives giving their best a chance at relatively better opportunity, though I imagine everyone here would vehemently disagree. The problem is, as I stated, on the other side of this dark period isn't The Federation. There is no Utopic period. The end of the tunnel is some facsimile of the Borg.

And gosh do I need someone to convince me otherwise (no Vulcans, please.)

>>23960431
This is more reveling in and coping with the despair of the self. I want out of my own head and want to see a future of optimism, but realistically achieved by ourselves. Thomas Covenant is an asshole, not exactly helpin' haha. Thanks for the consideration, though!

>>23961221
As I elaborated in >>23961339 "psychopathy" or however you want to quantify certain thinking only tips the scales on a local time scale. It's hard to demarcate "efficiency and productivity" as a personality type beyond dismissively saying "autistic," as autistic people aren't the only people with these traits, of course.

>>23960010
>Anyone got some copium they can recommend?

Ted Chiang

>>23961105
That and what's his face a man like the gods were good references, but I rolled my eyes at rosy-fingered dawn and dark wine sea.

>>23952607
>>23952611
>>23952617
>>23952627
>>23952630
>>23952633

One of the King's Field games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNiLz45A-WQ

>>23957021
No! NO! DON'T SUCK MY COCK. DON'T SUCK MY COOOCCKK, NOOOOOOOOooo

Is there any speculative fiction that concerns the opening Northwest Passage and potential power-posturing around the Arctic? Would love to read some near-future grounded Sci-Fi with that as a major factor.

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>>23961575

not exactly what you're after but might be close enough to compel your interest