His prose is second to none.
>burgers reading a translation be like
>>23970066If it's better than anyone even in translation I can't imagine how good it actually is.
Prose + best = ProustEasy as that, fellas
>>23970066not everyone is a burger.Italian and Spanish translations of Proust are great.
>>23970060>99% purple porse>1% plotHis 7 novels can be a novella if he wasn't a literally homo.
>>23970206The novel is not about plot. It is about using the events of the plot to discuss ideas about philosophy, culture, society, etiquette, politics and love. If you don’t get that then the book isn’t for you.
>>23970090Serbian translation is top notch as well
>>23970066>"Despite his shaky acquaintance with English, Proust was relieved a little as he struggled through his own copy by the beauty he dimly perceived."[citation needed] The English reviews were extremely complimentary both to the work itself and to the translation.[citation needed]>On 10 October 1922, Proust wrote to Scott Moncrieff, thanked him for "the trouble you have taken," and complimented him on his "fine talent." However, he added: "The verses you have inserted and the dedication to your friends are no substitute for the intentional ambiguity of my Temps perdu, which corresponds to the Temps retrouvé that appears at the end of my work."[20] Proust also thought that Swann's Way might have been better called To Swann's Way.[21]
His prose sucks. Incredibly tryhard.
>>23970077You're a midwit.
>>23970266>tryhardYou’re an underage half-wit who is arguably functionally literate. Genuine retards like you are better served in a labor camp than shitting up the internet.
>>23970060sorry I don't know what authors look like
>>23970273Typical proust dick sucker response. Go and suck more dick in a gay bar. Proust is by far the most tryhard writer in existence. Like this shit should be on wikipedia.
>>23970279ESL?
>>23970060Proust, Marcel. A favorite between the ages of 20 and 40, and thereafter.In Search of Lost Time. The first half is the fourth-greatest masterpiece of 20th-century prose.
Just a reminder as to how insufferably nitwitted proustfags are:https://warosu.org/lit/thread/22929765#p22930691This is the longest thread that I am aware of discussing his style. Absolutely embarrassing from proustfags lol. That thread is proof that you have to be a midwit pseud to adore proust.
>>23970282He was French, so he was a literally ESL, yes.
>>23970282You are
>>23970287>le nitwit midwit pseud fagsEpic 4chan moment friendo!
>>23970287so ass blasted he bookmarked the archive lmao
>>23970291How long have you been learning English?
>>23970287Hey, I posted in that thread and forgot about it. Good times.>Yes because you are lacking in brains and should stick with Thomas the tank engine.This is still true. Lmao
>>23970312All my life, ESL pseud
>>23970313>>23970308>proustfags still madKekOP liked proust btw
>>23970316Damn. That’s truly grim. Your IQ must be an astounding 78. Woes of being a crack-baby.
>>23970320Go suck a dick, homo. The last thing I need is some retarded ESL judging my ESLness. >78 IQThat's still 20 points above the average proust dick sucker. And you are specially retarded even among their kind.
>>23970332Saaarr…do the bloody needful, bastard benchod, go suck bloody dick, homo sissy faggot
>>23970273>>23970282>an underage half-wit who is arguably functionally literate. ESL?
>>23970345>the ESL can’t parse a simple sentence No wonder Proust makes you retards seethe
>>23970345Is that sudamerican spic writing flair?
>>23970350>arguably functionally literate There's no way you aren't an ESL, lil buddy. It's always a laugh when ESLs with the most stilted writing style shit up the thread accusing others of being ESL.This anon's post>>23970279 doesn't trigger the sensors like yours does. If It seems that way to you it's because of your poor understanding of the language.
>>23970358>seething Mexican ESL can’t parse sentences written above a fifth-grade levelSad, but unsurprising! You’re just retarded, m8. Again, you’re probably the retarded McCarthy ESL fag who doesn’t how commas work.
>>23970350Proust literally was an ESL, retard. On top of that, the moncrieff translation makes him look even more of an ESL.
>>23970371Suuuuure. Lol.>McCarthy out of nowhereProustfags are letting him live rent free lol.Learn English, cuck.
>>23970381Rajeesh, it’s you! Welcome back!
>Proust's mother, Jeanne Clémence (maiden name: Weil), was the daughter of a wealthy German–Jewish family from Alsace.[5] Literate and well-read, she demonstrated a well-developed sense of humour in her letters, and her command of the English language was sufficient to help with her son's translations of John Ruskin.[6]
>>23970384No wonder that translation of Ruskin reads so bad.
>>23970060Definitely the best among all the non-literary writers.
>>23970383>ur mexican>ur Indian>ur Brazilian NTA, but proustkeks on /lit/ are perpetually rattled. It's obvious you're an ESL btw.
>>23970371>you’re probably the retarded McCarthy ESL fag who doesn’t how commas work.>who doesn't how commas workLOL. Irony! Based Cormac handing low IQ ESLs the L from beyond the grave.
>>23970066Even translated, Proust is amazing.
>>23970283>The first halfWhy only the first half? Why didn't Nabokov like the second half? Praising Balzac too much?
>>23970631to be fair you can tell that aside for the reflections on memories from part vii and what little of part v that was sent to Les Oeuvres libres the second half of the recherce could have used some revision. not only it loses track of which characters died and when, but there is a lot of phrases start repeating themselves and while even the frist half isn't exactly notable for being tight, periods in the second half get meandering to the point of frustration at times. everything set in war-torn paris I found especially weak, but in my experience speaking to others who have read it it is a flip of a coin whether they find everything pertaining to albertine and the author's gealousy of her compelling or uninteresting
>>23970267>t. Actual midwit
>>23970631The second half was never even finished. Proust died with it still in a draft state.
>>23971181that's underselling it
>>23970283>second to none>fourth-greatestuhh... proustsissies... did we get too cocky?
>no, you ESLmost anglophones cant even speak their language properly let alone speak a second being, ESL is just another ragebait word
>>23971285tbf you can easily knock petersburg from the podium and just brand as parochialism by an old russian aristocratthat leaves basically the big three modernist memes which are mentioned interchangeably by pseuds as their favorites me included
>>23970283>fourth-greatest masterpiece of 20th-century prose.What were the first 3?
>>23971382UlyssesBelovedMetamorphosis
>>23971417>Beloved>MetamorphosisNever heard of those, who wrote them?
>>23971627David Foster WallaceThomas Pynchon
>>23971181So? It's still amazing.
>>23971813But inferior to the first half
>>23972598Marginally, and it's still better than the vast majority of literature.
>>23972691>MarginallyI probably like the prisoner more than most but there is chasm between it and sodom and gomorrah. Of course the last part of time regained is wonderful, but that still leaves a volume and a half that's subpar>better than the vast majority of literatureUndoubtedly so. Too bad nobody bothers getting past swann's love
>>23970060Agreed, Moncrieff's translation is a masterpiece in itself
>>23970358M8 you are being baited
>>23971305>ESL>resentful towards native speakers>atrocious grammarI rest my case.
>>23970066Kek
>>23972789Well, then something must be wrong with me. I like The Prisoner slightly more than Swann's Way and The Guermantes Way. I realize that it's unfinished, and that it makes no sense for Cottard to die and then appear again, and there are sections that are repetitive, but I actually really enjoyed the strong theme of jealousy and the narrator's obsession with Albertine. It also seems to me like he really lays down his own artistic influences in this work too, with mentions of Debussy and Faure, and especially Balzac's Human Comedy and Wagner's Ring, all of which I absolutely adore. So I guess I'm very biased in this regard.The last volume is really saved by the wonderful descriptions of literature and aging (as we speak, I still have about 100 pages to go), but this is kind of the situation I've had with all of the volumes; there will be large sections that wouldn't interest me at all, but then he would hit me with some transcendental material or perspectives. There are examples where one specific theme (jealousy), outside event (the Dreyfus affair), or character (the Verdurins and their circle of retards) doesn't interest me at all in a specific volume, but then becomes really fascinating in the next, or vice versa.The Fugitive was definitely the weakest of them all, though. In the end, I can't really bring myself to significantly downplay any volume because they're all so intertwined and it's one giant work anyway. Suddenly, The Fugitive becomes one of the best novels I've ever read in my life because it's inextricably linked to all those previous wonderful volumes. Does that make sense?The second volume is my favorite and is as close to a perfect novel as I've read, in my opinion, and Sodom and Gomorrah comes after it.
bump
>>23970060>Second to noneSo the only thing worse that his prose is none at all?
>>23975151ESL detected.
>>23975194b8'd gg
>>23974565>Does that make sense?sure, though you could probably lose the fugitive completely after albertine dies and very little would be lost. the jealousy theme in the prisoner is strong and compelling (although it does get quite meandering at times) but keep in mind that that section of the book was actually revised by the author and sent to the newspaper for publication. I am very fond myself of his reflections on art in that volume and especially on the relation to the senses (the part where he is just listening to the hustle and bustle of the market on a sudnay morning is absolutely masterful), so I would overall probably place the prisoner over guermantes which still acts as a big filter for me despite the very good parts like the granny dying. couldn't care less about the dreyfuss affair unfortunatelyyour placement of within a budding grove or whateve it's called in english and sodom and gomorrah is correctnone of the sloppyness present in the second half is a deal breaker for me, though the repetition, especially that of entire phreases, similitudes, or play on words does reveal the "trick" and spoil the impression you get of a very brilliant mind from the previous volumes
Deciding to learn French is the second best decision I've ever madeI can't wait to read Proust but right now I think he'd likely be too difficult for meI'm currently reading Bataille and it's not too difficultI hope to read Sylvie again one day, I feel like a lot of that went over my head
>are those tea and crackers im going insane>aaaaa the rue de sacre bleu, aaaaaaaafrench authors blow dick
>>23976065It's quite evident you haven't read a page of Proust lol
>>23976066>aaaa my mommy wont kiss me when she has company overgay
>>23976069>gayOh so you read it after all nvm
>>23971181Actually didn't know about this. I always thought Nabokov just considered the writing in the 2nd half weaker
>>23970084bravo Tolkien
>>23977311It's really not as bad as it sounds. Only the last volume is truly in draft state, with sections sometimes not being obvious where they should go. The 5th and 6th volumes have inconsistencies and some statements almost literally repeating, but it's not common or distracting at all.
>second to none>I know clearly that Gidian art after Wildian art, after Proustian art, are part of the implacable continuity of the Jewish program. [215] Getting all the goyes to fuck each other. here in french the word fuck is more like assfuck>Why are all these castrates coming to infect us with their novels? of their emotional simulacra? Since they are once and for all, opaque, blind, penguins and deaf! Why don't they devote themselves solely to description, that is to say, to the rehashing and patching up of what they have read in books?... descriptive goncourtism, objective rummaging at full force, Zolaism à la 37, even more scientific-judolatre, Dreyfusian, liberating, than the other or the very minisculeizing analysis of buggery à la Prout-Proust, "rise-nuance" in fly quarter half dart?(Fart-Proust in french)> Our beautiful neo-classical, Goncourtian and Proustophile literature is nothing but an immense flower bed of dried out boorishness, an infinite dune of wriggling ossicles>That it is well proven, very clear, quite classic, from this day that the irresolute bosom fucker Prout-Proust, the Jewish Miche aux Camélias "will take the same rank of eminence in everything and everywhere, in the manuals and minds that Honoré de Balzac!... Sound the bugle!"
>>23970084im very proust of you anon
Who is tolstoy
>>23977977This is the first time in my life I have ever seen someone appreciate tolstoy for his prose rather than for his bigoted moralizing. novel, I guess, but puzzingly misguided
>>23978124>bigoted moralizingkek, what a faggot
>>23978124>bigoted moralizingAre you having a seizure ?
>>23978747I think he was trying to quote the “rank moralizing” quote of Nabby but he flubbed it.
>>23970060I'm French and I didn't read him yet. Is this THAT good?
>>23978124>bigoted moralizingYWNBAW
>>23979251nah stick to reading ngubu jean-pierre's posts on social media
