Are there any female authors that you actually like?
Eleanor Catton
>>23972312All the good female writers tend to be lesbians. Go figure
>>23972312Yes, lots
>>23972318Name em, pal
>>23972319Maggie nelson
>>23972312Sure. To name a few that come to mindSapphoSelma LagerlofPatricia Highsmith
>>23972315Horrible take. I can see lesbians being good at poetry and maybe horror but it is another matter how many of them will have the skill to successfully execute it.>>23972312There are a few female authors I find competent for short form storytelling. Especially Yuki Urushibara wrote many that are fascinating. But one that I genuinely respect and like? No.
>>23972383How is it a horrible take? Here are some of the most famous dyke writers:Sappho, Aphra Benn, Emily Dickinson (possibly), Virginia Woolf, Katherine Mansfield, Marguerite Yourcenar, Iris Murdoch
>>23972391All but two were married to men. I doubt their lesbianism was anything more than a fashion statement
>>23972393Many of the best gay man writers had wives too. The repression meant they had to channel their feelings into art instead of going to bathhouses and getting pozzed, which is why art is so bad nowadays. I think Nietzsche talks about this somewhere..
>>23972398Interesting take. Which novel do you recommend where one can feel this lesbianism while reading it? Something that is also preferably the cream of the crop.
For me it's Annie Jacobsen.
Jane Austen deserves her place in the Western canon.
>>23972312Mary Shelley, The Brontës, Jane Austen, and Emily Dickinson. Yes, I'm a basic bitch.
>>23972401Good question. I think Sappho is the best, but mainly because she’s one of the best poets of love of all time. She existed before any kind of lesbian identity so I don’t like to pigeonhole her (and she also wrote about love for men and youths), but she is one of the earliest, frankest, and most beautiful of the subject of love between women. A few dykes with conservative temperaments (like Mary Renault, Marguerite Yourcenar and Iris Murdoch) preferred to write about male homosexuality instead of lesbianism. Gertrude Stein and Virginia Woolf wrote more directly about lesbianism, but their are too self-consciously modernist and experimental for my taste. Maybe Colette and Simone de Beauvoir are the go-to. Oh and I forgot to mention Tove Janssen, who created the Moomins. She was in a relationship with a woman and wrote about it. I think the NYRB has that book, and they’re having a sale at the moment. I also like ‘My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness’. And there’s a lot of books from early 20th century Japan about sentimental relationships between schoolgirls and young women
>no flanneryC'mon, /li/.
>>23972313Is Birnam Wood any good? I thought it looked too "le capitalist billionaires are.... le bad!" for me
I'm currently reading Olga Tokarczuk, really enjoying her
Imagine reading women's literature. I am ashamed when I bought The Bell Jar. I couldn't read past the first pages
>>23972391>>23972393certainly virginia woolf preferred women to men. her best known affair was with vita sackville west (who was also married, to howard nicholson, but he also had same sex affairs). it was during their affair that she wrote orlando, which has more than a hint of what we would now call gender dysphoria.woolf was married (to leonard) but it seems that her relationship with her husband was more like a particularly intimate friendship rather than a sexual relationshipthe four of them - viriginia, vita, howard, leonard - were part of "the bloomsbury group" who were all hopping in and out of each other's beds all the time, regardless of gender
>>23972391>SapphoShe was not lesbian.My man Pierre Louys wrote a poetic collection (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Songs_of_Bilitis) about a lesbian contemporary of Sappho, as if they fucked, and called this collection authentic.People bought it and now everyone thing she is lesbian.
>>23972324>SapphoHow? Almost none of her stuff survived, and whatever survived is in fragmented form. Stop being a pseud.
>>23972391Also, why is it so difficult to understand how muses work?Like, I have a tranny (FtM) who is my muse. I am a nobody, sure, but it's still something: I would not fuck her for all the tea in China, and I wrote like 100 poems dedicated to her, even love poems. To me, sad people inspire me. To others, sunny people are muses.It's not that tough. "But it has a dedication": of course it has it, if 99% of the book is written because of how pathetic she is.
>>23972694I have a small question, have you paid for "his" company before?
>>23972703No, I didn't pay.I met her on Discord, we used to talk every day for like 3 months for at least 4 hours each day. I wrote a poem book in her name. She got me out of the writer's block. But I never met her in person, never saw her picture. Similarly to what Emily Dickinson had with her sister in law.
>>23972312I’m not sure if there's even a woman that I like that’s not family.
I fucking love Ivy Compton-BurnettShe writes very striking and unique books almost entirely composed of acidic passive aggressive dialogue about upper middle class Victorian families being fucking awful to each other. It's an acquired taste but very addictive.
I liked Wedgwood’s Thirty Years War and her biography of CromwellAlso loved Memoirs of HadrianFuneral Games by Mary Renault (I’m going to read the rest of her Alexander the Great novels in the future)I like dead white lesbian writers particularly if they are fanboys of Great Men of history.
>>23972402can't stand her stupid voice
>>23972312Joy williamsEmily dickinson
The ones who have stopped writing.
>>23972312Shirley Jackson is a favourite. I love We Have Always Lived in the Castle and her short stories.
>>23972683There were already jokes about Sappho being a lesbian in Ancient Greece, like this one:>Again a purple ball>thrown by Eros the golden-haired:>it is the motley-sandalled girl>that he invites me to play with.>But she, as she is from well-wrought>Lesbos, finds fault with>my hair, as it is white,>but gawks after another woman.Anacreon, Fragment 378
>>23972312only the blue blooded ones from long ago. dont care for the ones from plebian stock since more often than not they are just a speaker for a retarded political ideology expressed in public school prose.
I like Anaïs Nin,Marilynne Robinson,Katherine Mansfield,Muriel Spark,Svetlana Alexievich,Shirley Jackson,Magda Szabó,Tove Jansson,Han Kang,Carson McCullers,Banana Yoshimoto,Emily Brontë,Fleur Jaeggy,Charlotte Brontë,Anne Carson,Elizabeth Taylor,Stella Gibbons,Virginia Woolf,Alice Munro,Elena Ferrante,Jane Bowles,Sappho,Toni Morrison,Joan Didion,Maeve Brennan,Joyce Carol Oates,Djuna Barnes,Flannery O'Connor,Jan Morris (lol),Edith Wharton,Ivy Compton-Burnett,Ursula K. Le Guin,Barbara Comyns,Samanta Schweblin,Fay Weldon,Lydia Davis,Mariana Enríquez,Dorothy B. Hughes,Doris Lessing,Claire-Louise Bennett,Elizabeth Strout,Marlen Haushofer,Jane Austen,Susanna Clarke,Aimee Bender,Patricia Highsmith,Lucia Berlin,Jean Rhys,Fernanda Melchor,Anna Kavan,Marguerite Duras,Annie Ernaux,Eleanor Catton,Emily Holmes Coleman,Ottessa Moshfegh,Leonara Carrington,Anna Burns,Elfriede Jelinek,C Pam Zhang,Sarah Bernstein,Birgit Vanderbeke,Aurora Venturini,Ann Quin,Tatyana Tolstaya,Sabrina Orah Mark,Irène Némirovsky,Penelope Mortimer,Nathalie Sarraute,Agatha Christie,Helen Garner,Elizabeth von Arnim,A. S. Byatt,Selva Almada,Maud Ventura,Samantha Harvey,George Eliot,Rachel Ingalls,Rachel Cusk
>>23972805I don't know.Looks just gossip to me.Not to start a schizo war, but it's like saying that freemasons rape kids in their rituals just because people start making shit up about secluded/isolated communities.You can take also as an example medieval herbalists getting burned at the stake because the old hags started saying that the herbalists was living near the forest not because it's closer to where they gather the herbs, but because they were witches and worshipped the devil...Imho this poem looks like it's from the same branch of thought.
>>23972312
A woman wrote not just the world's first novel but a masterpiece of world literature centuries ahead of its time. I don't know why feminists/progressives don't make a bigger deal of this fact.>>23972809>Fleur JaeggyWhat do you recommend from her? I keep an eye out whenever I'm in a used bookstore because she sounds interesting but there's never anything of hers.
>>23972854I like all of her stuff but the best starting point is probably sweet days of discipline. although if you like short stories "I am the brother of XX" is probably my favourite
>>23972819I don’t know wtf you’re talking about. I’m just saying Sappho had a reputation for lesbianism long before the 19th century
>>23972854>A woman wrote not just the world's first novel>1021lol i love it when people just ignore the rest of the material evidence for ideology
>>23972312none
>>23972882I'm just saying that "reputations" mean jack shit when it comes to isolated communities.Lesbos, freemasons and medieval herbalists were all isolated communities.Normies are known to make up shit about isolated communities: lesbos is full of lesbians, freemasons fuck kids and medieval herbalists participate in witches' sabbaths.I do not trust a poem about Sappho, written by a man who has never met her, because she was already dead years before he was even born.He probably was jealous of her success.
>>23972809When any man claims he likes Anais Nin I just assume he is a perverted male-feminist freak.
>>23972924i like the incest
doris lessingmarilynne robinsonolga tokarczukand a few others. 90% of the books i've read are written by men.
>>23972913Well all I’m demonstrating with that post is that your contention that the lesbian reputation of Sappho was invented by Pierre Louys is incorrect. I believe her sexual inclination is also referred to in the medieval Suda, plus ‘A Sapphick Epistle’ from 1778. Also that poem is not making fun of the woman, but the poet is poking fun at his own desperation and failure in love
>>23972904Okay big guy, what came before it? Every search engine answers "what was the first novel" with Genji. Are you counting epic poems as "novels"?
>>23972979Not that anon but Daphnis and Chloe or the Satyricon might count. But yes I agree with you, Genji monogatari is a monumental development of the novel form
>>23972979>The earliest novels include classical Greek and Latin prose narratives from the first century BC to the second century AD, such as Chariton's Callirhoe (mid 1st century), which is "arguably the earliest surviving Western novel",[28] as well as Petronius' Satyricon, Lucian's True Story, Apuleius' The Golden Ass, and the anonymous Aesop Romance and Alexander Romance.>The short biography of her that accompanies the novel’s Modern Penguin edition translation says, “After the death of her husband, she cloistered herself to study Buddhism, raise her daughter, and write the world’s first novel, Genji Monogatari, the tale of the shining Prince Genji.”take your pick
>>23972926Me too. I like Anais Nin in the same way I enjoy reading sexual confessions online, or reading taboo erotica. I just find it laughable when men put her in the same category as writers like Woolf. It's like comparing Burroughs with Wilde simply because they're both gay. I can apreciate when women compare them, though, as all women are sexual deviants and cannot tell the difference between lust and something that's deeper and more beautiful.
>>23972393>All but two were married to men.anon discovers homosexuality wasn't always accepted
>>23972312Edith Wharton. I like the way she writes.
In orderFlannery O'ConnorVirginia WoolfAlice MunroToni MorrisonEmily BrontëUrsula K. Le GuinSally Rooney
>>23972710You’re in love with her. Imagine writing poems about a woman you’ve never seen.
>>23973133sounds /lit/ as fuck
>>23972312jane austen
>>23972647Try the luminaries
i want donna tart to donna fart on my face
Gillian Flynn is pretty based.
>>23973139what does this even mean
>>23972312DAMN, Sylvia Plath looked like THAT??
>>23972312Shirley Jackson was an incredible writer.
>>23972312Yeah, the girl reading this :)
>>23973008maybe you should read a bit more about the lives of these writers before you make such retarded statements
JK Rowling
>>23972407Mary Shelley didn't really write anything though. Her husband on the other hand, Percy, knocked it out of the park when he wrote Frankenstein.
>>23973382My implied point that throughout history gay people had cover marriages still stands.
Morgan Llywelyn
>>23973430aw lawdy another one.>every Greek was actually gay>most people from the middle ages were actually secretly gay>no I don't have any evidence, because the church or something.>asking for anything to back up my claims other than the musings of other faggots pretending to be historians? Sounds like you hate gay people. You know what that means...>Everyone that disagrees with me is gay. most other people too. everyone's gay. deal with it chud.you people are a plague
>>23972312gotta be my main bitch Otessa Moshfegh
>>23972664here's a tip if you're not a native english speaker: don't mix your tenses! this should be "I WAS ashamed when I bought the Bell Jar"
>>23972941>>23972650I enjoyed DYPOTBOTD, got me into Blake again.
>>23972312Unironically Toni Morrison. Still sometimes think about why characters behaved the way they did in Jazz and Sula. Sula in particular -- why'd she do it, bros? Beloved's last third filtered me, though.
>>23972312I enjoy Ursula Le Guin. Still think about the quote (even if it's a fabricated translation) that those who aim to understand what cannot be understood will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven.
>>23973498Homosexuality was endemic in Ancient Greece. That is an objective fact
>>23973637
>>23972312>Emily Brown>Marianne Moore>Hilda Doolittle>Virginia Woolf>Carsen McCullers>Flannery O'Connor>Jenny Erpenbeck
>>23972312JK Rowling
>>23972694>>23972710Wtf is wrong with you
Robin HobbJen Williams
>>23972312I'm partial to Evelyn Waugh
>>23972312mother . . .
>>23972650>>23972941>tokarczukretarded bitch with shitty writingt. Pole
I only see women as sexual objects. Books for this feel?
>>23972809You just compiled names of authors that others have mentioned here.Which of those have you actually read?Or even recommend?
>>23974878I went to my spreadsheet I keep of books I have read, filtered it to be only female authors, removed duplicates and deleted ones I didn't especially like. So all of them.
>>23972312If I had to pick one I guess Flannery O’Connor
>>23972393>Being strategically married to a man for the purpose of companionship and keeping up appearances magically un-dykes youLol
Megan LindholmMargaret WeissJohanna SinisaloUrsula K. Le GuinSusan CooperMarion Zimmer BradleyDiana Wynne JonesTove JanssonAstrid Lindgren...and I know I'm forgetting others I can't be arsed to look up the names of just now.
>>23975155>Marion Zimmer Bradley
>>23975164...and good DNF to you too, my fellow "anon".
>>23975015Imagine being one of these women. (Not you you'll never be one.) Knowing you're working in a largely male dominated space. Her main concern perhaps being, "I hope people are able to appreciate my work for what it is and not focus on the fact I'm a woman." Then a hundred years later someone makes a thread to discuss writers they enjoy and her name is mentioned and some retard immediately starts sperging about how she's a dyke and her marriage was a sham and nothing more than a strategic action for companionship and keeping up appearances. It's a damn shame
>>23972854because they fear the japanese
>>23972312>>ctrl+f>>ayn rand404this board is dead
>>23972402Based. Surprise, Kill, Vanish was breddy güd.
>>23973662Start with the Greeks
>>23975266Nice fanfiction that doesn’t apply to any of the people named. Is your gf a lesbo or something
>>23975810"we must not forget that this pleasure is held to have been granted by nature to male and female when conjoined for the work of procreation; the crime of male with male, or female with female, is an outrage on nature and a capital surrender to lust of pleasure." -Plato, LawsTry actually reading them
>>23972664Don't listen to the other retard: the proper way to express that thought would be>I'm ashamed I bought The Bell Jar.You are in the present ashamed of a simple past event, so a simple present and past mix is what you want. The sentence of the retard correcting you would fit into>I WAS ashamed when I bought the bell jar because I had spaghetti stains on my shirt.or>I was ashamed when I bought the bell jar but now I'm proud of it.Either way, it doesn't work for what you were trying to say. Your original sentence has no temporal consistency.And, yeah, the bell jar is just some snooty BPD bitch kvetching through her infinite self-pity.
>>23975711Her new book is good too.
>>23976022Try reading the Laws. It says pederasty is so common in Greece it’s going to be difficult to outlaw it
>>23972694>>23972710You dedicate something beautiful and takes time to create for a man who is ugly and only knows how to pervert nature... you are a retard. Also, post poem.
>>23972312Yes. Carolyn Keene, though sometimes it is a man
>>23976180why would there be an interest in outlawing something normal and accepted?
>>23975399more like based if this stupid bitch hasn't been posted yet LOL
>>23972312Yes
>>23974540>t. PoleIs that meant to add weight to your statement
>>23973216Came here for this. All three of her books have been great and supposedly she's been writing a doorstopper novel for the last few years.
Jane Austen, Dorothy Parker, and Gertrude Stein.
>>23972664>I couldn't read past the first pagesSame here. I was a furious at women for a good week after reading the part about the guy being too short for her.
>>23977249obviously yes
>>23972312Middlemarch by George Eliot
There's only two times I want to see or hear from a woman: when she's taking my order at the restaurant, when she's caring for my children, and when she is starring in giantess porn
Women are corny little faggots
>>23979467You are bitter little incel
I appreciate their works but I do not feel attached to what I have read
>>23972403This. Pretty much the only female author worth reading in all of human history.
>>23979611either you're a woman who is bitter and hates men because she's currently single and obsessing over evil men online in chat groups and forums that just make her less dateable by making her more bitter and ugly inside, or you're a man who defends women qua women by tacitly affirming a sex hierarchy (to weaponize it as an insult) while also denying it exists (to avoid the counter-claim that the insult is meaningless because 60%+ of men under 35 are "incels") either way you are a pathetic retard and should kill yourself
>>23976787Because Plato hated sex
been reading a lot of Atwood lately, Handmaid's Tale was whatever but I really liked Surfacing
>>23979668pretty lucid and objective take down desu.
>>23979467you need to chill >>23979668i think calling someone a bitter incel in response to that comment is reasonable because that's what you come across as. also weird ass assumptions to make on an anonymous thai basketweaving forum
I really enjoyed The Bell Jar, to be perfectly honest. I own this beautiful copy.
>>23979670Is that why he wanted everyone to make a big sweaty sex pile every year?
>>23973216Where do I start with her?
>>23972312Honest to goodness I enjoyed Lapvona, My Year of Rest and Relaxation, and Eileen. I liked The Bell Jar when I was in high school.
>>23979668By your response i can tell that the only one obsessing over women is you litte pussy faggot incel. You crave women attention so much that you decided to comment how much inferior they are
>>23972312Olga TokarczukA. S. Byattearly Iris MurdochGeorge Eliot "Middlemarch" onlyElizabeth Arnold Carolyn ChuteKate BravermanAnna Maria Ortese
