For all the people always complaining about what to do to fight publishing tyranny and to make good writting here's the secret: Write whatever the fuck you want. Stop trying to write "serious" or "high literature". None of these publishing faggots give a shit anyway. Your only option is to make something so cool that the common people can't ignore it. Stop trying to impress people who hate you. Write that epic novel where Hitler wins the WW2. Write about a Catholic priest killing a monster horde. Write about that sexy waifu doing cool shit in standard clothes. Don't write shit on purpose, just write cool shit that other people will like.We need to free ourselves from the tyranny of publishing faggots. Blow them the fuck out.
people don't want to read 14 year old boys' fiction
>just write LN tier slop and let the jews control publishing bro
>>23975837Anime says otherwise bro
>>23975835god i wish that was me
>>23975835based and true. stop reacting to people doing things and get people to react to you doing things
>>23975844You don't read anime nigger.
>>23975835I don't want to write cool shit for average people, I want to write for lit fags who enjoy and appreciate the same sort of stuff that I do which requires purpose and intent and effort and all that other stuff. Also, I like the challenge and enjoy the process.
>>23975969LNs and manga are anime in text and picture form
>>23975835What if "whatever the fuck I want to write" is serious and high literature? Kys escapistfag, I feel the need to express myself over my own personal emotional problems alongside the issues that are apparent of the time I live in. All literature is escapism but to truly touch one's soul and make a impact on them, that fiction has to be firmly planted in reality.
>>23975835I do write what I want. I write about naked girls going on adventure while naked. But I write them with passion and experimentation in my prose and sometimes have a message within about wholesome nudity and the nature of obsession, so I still consider them /lit.
>>23975835OP, you probably didn't expect to hear this but you've inspired me. I'm going to fujo the fuck out because I know there's a market. See you in six months.
>>23975835It is, but my idea of escapism is high culture that deals in terms of love, necessity, and death, not juvenile, retarded, last man fantasies.
>>23976049>[my goal is to] express myself, my own personal emotional problems>good artPick one and only one.
>>23977377Based
>>23975835The most realistic chance I have of getting published is writing overtly pro-Catholic fantasy and selling it to a Christian/Catholic publisher. I’ve seriously considered doing it multiple times before, I just need to buckle down and write it. I would enjoy writing this immensely and I have an idea I really like for it. Just gotta go and do it
>>23977603If you're a Christian and understand the themes then I can see it doing well, people are starved for such works. You also already have a great and very popular anime to take inspiration from.
>>23977436>deals in terms of love, necessity, and deathI love anime too.
>>23977649mandatory TBK opening credits pasta
>>23977635>If you’re Christian and understand the themes wellI am, and I do. I’m pretty confident in my ability to get the message across and have it feel genuine. >animeThe only thing I know about that one is that it’s incredibly popular. That alone tells me that it resonates with literal leftist faggots who tend to be the types to discuss anime online so I don’t think it would be useful as “inspiration.”
>>23975835People actually write books on here? I bet it's all fantasy or incel crying slop anyways. name ONE book written by some random anon here that tries to be somewhat litfic
>>23977678>That alone tells me that it resonates with literal leftist faggots who tend to be the types to discuss anime online so I don’t think it would be useful as “inspiration.”>showing off your ignorance as knowledgeWestern writers will have to drop their arrogance and pride and recognize that Japan is the only country doing things right in contemporary literature and that it has a lot to teach them if they want to save their medium. It's your choice.
>>23977692>name one>by anonBut it wouldn't be anon then?
>>23977701fair enough. name a book written by someone on here that's not F. Gardner
>>23977704>by someone on hereYou would never know because we're anons. Redditors with a name are not strictly from here.
>>23977678... truly embarrassing.
>>23975838"slop" would imply it's low quality and easy to make, but no western artists are able to produce authentic LNs on the same level of quality as the Japanese. Really makes you think...
>>23975838They're going to control publishing no matter what. God gave Satan dominion over the Earth.
>>23977781Most western "artists", specially writters, are too poisoned by irony or possessed by ideology to sincerely indulge in pure human passions, combine with their arrogance, worship of academic "critics" and "profesors" disconected from the real culture and it's no surprise you won't get the bare minimun from them
>>23977571Art is of the highest and most noble value when it is indicative of the soul/human condition. Anything that tries too hard to do a "social critique" of the world at large without first dabbling into the psychology of a character, how the world they live in affects them and so on (Per say Oliver Twist, 1984, Handmaid's tale, anything Sci Fi) it will just be moralising overly ideological bs.
>>23978174>Art is of the highest and most noble value when it is indicative of the soul/human condition. True, but I wasn’t objecting to that and only to the overemphasized importance of *my personal* emotions/experience/whatever. What should come naturally as a consequence of being created by a specific person is seen today as the goal itself. You see this in the visual arts too, some people are afraid of copying/being faithful to a style because they will "lose their individuality", as if it's something that can be lost or needs to be actively pushed by the author to be noticed.
>>23978054This is getting too based. A (red) pill too hard to swallow for most but it's true.
>>23975835>Write whatever the fuck you want.That's not as easy as you think it is. You first have to be conscious of what you even like and then you have to find ideas which fit into this. This requires a lot of knowledge about the thing you like.
>>23977787Pretty much this. The only hope for the west is for artists with different skills to band together into self-publishing/doujin style circles and create meaningful art in this way.
>>23978194The best way to do it is to mix universal themes with some of your personal experience.
>>23975835Literature is gay. Like seriously, your main draw is like two critics will read it. Pulp is better
>>23978507I think the point is that it's impossible to not mix in your personal experience simply by virtue of you creating it, so is it really deserving of the focus (((contemporary art))) wants us to place on it?
>>23978194Oh yeah I agree with that, I just phrased myself poorly there, was going more for a >>23978507 due to the the impossibility of complete dettachment, hell I used to rewrite my characters once I realised they started being too similar to myself or people I knew personalitywise without realising that was not really a issue unless it grew to the absurdist self insert fiction we see being sold all the time. Although I disagree with the idea of "individual style" being a mainstream thing since everyone seems to be less and less worried about directly getting ideas from someone else's work to the point I would start calling it parasitic, like the amount of shit that I see on store shelves marketing itself as a "greek retelling" just because Rick Riordan somehow managed to turn the greeks into pulp booktok shit or how most people who get into art these days started by drawing their favorite characters that someone else came up with on a tablet. Hell my wife is a fashion and visual designer and "individuality" is the exact opposite of what is being pushed on that scene. But if we are talking artsy contemporary art then yeah, I feel we are putting too much of a focus on "deconstructing" and "subversing" things to the point that the very act of it is unoriginal. In my eyes, all art is individualistic by nature so I just associate the two indistinguishably, even plagiarism has a flair of the author's personal identity.
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>>23978564>"individuality" is the exact opposite of what is being pushed on that sceneI think the main issue is that they view art in these two extremes when it undeniably has both an individual and social/traditional element that aren't in opposition. Anime artists learn from their predecessors but you can still notice their individual style in a production that has many different people affecting the finished work. Genuine development of an artistic tradition doesn't happen without both of these elements present, you either get things without any originality created solely for commerce or random and incoherent self-centered attempts at originality/subversion that inevitably become unoriginal and samey, or you just get people who become jaded and drop art. (look at any contemporary classical "music" or faux anime western art styles on twitter or the infamous Tumblr style).Pic related is a great /lit/core vn that has as one of its core themes the ideal/platonic music compared to something more grounded in the life of the artist.
What books to read if Sasuke Uchiha is my favorite anime character?
>>23977635>>23977695>I am le long lived and old elf loli>le other races die??>I wasn't paying le attention>le ;_;if it wasn't for the lewd character designs, masturbators/otaku and pseuds would never have watched the show
>>23980155This is your mind on westoidism. Truly a sad state of hatred for beauty and art.
>>23979994what visual novel is this?
>>23980665Musicushttps://vndb.org/v22783
>>23980155Its a special blend of shit on purpose that tricked twittards into liking it because they understood the subtle trope reversal on demons really being unfeeling monsters this timeAuthor just naming everything by whatever german word best describes it like its some fucking childrens book makes it unenjoyable anyhowWhen a frigid bitch is called "freezing" meets goth waifubait "evil" on her way to the northern country called "north" I just want to eat a bullet
>>23980909meant for>>23980345lole
>>23980909>subversion is le deep>i am le cynical and can’t see beauty
>>23980924So do you agree or nah
>>23980942With a westoid cynical reading of a piece of beautiful art? Never.
>>23981216>a piece of beautiful art/lit/ equivalent of "works on my machine"
>>23981229It's objectively beautiful in all aspects of its existence, the only grievances you have with it stem from false ideas clouding your vision of what good art is together with an irony-weeb-type disdain for anime in general. One may genuinely not find the work appealing, but you're not doing it for a good reason.
>>23981265it genuinely tries way too hardits a childrens book in both themes and delivery
>>23981290>Its a special blend of shit on purpose>tries too hardThis is what I'm talking about, you read your own deluded views and false expectations into what it's trying or not trying to do. It's always the same story with anime haters. I hope one day you can learn to truly appreciate the anime you spend time watching and stop being an ironyweeb.
>>23981307preachy nonsense, transtweeter
>>23977635If you liked Frieren, I highly recommend Record of Lodoss War. It's an OVA from the early 90s animated by the same studio (Madhouse) which also tells a traditional fantasy story with great visuals. It's also shorter and less boring than Frieren.
>>23980036What books besides Notes from Underground to read if Gotoh Hitori is my favorite anime character?
>>23980345Frieren is extremely mid. Dunno what to tell you buddy.
>muh escapismThe cat is screaming. If you were smart, you would scream too.
>>23981372Thank you for reminding me anon, it’s on my list.
>>23975835>Stop trying to impress people who hate you. >Your only option is to make something so cool that the common people can't ignore it.This, modern writers are too afraid of doing this when the Japanese will take direct inspiration from American works and create something arguably better than the original, see Urobuchi for example with his Psycho-pass or his Equilibrium movie fanfiction VN.
