Books to fix narcissism?
>>23976598Suicide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM
>>23976598Tao Te Ching
this turned me into a decent human bean
I use to be like that when I was young
what's wrong with narcissism?
What kind of NPD is it? If you are interested in fixing it it's more likely you have something that is similar to NPD in certain ways like BPD, but is not BPD. One of the worst tragedies of true NPD is that people who have it are virtually never able to believe that they have it. True NPD is basically a psychotic delusional state triggered out of mortal fear of having one's damaged self exposed to the world and thus becoming ultimately vulnerable. People with NPD are in neverending spirals of paranoia, resentment, and plotting or enacting revenge. If you do have some version of NPD or something with similar symptoms you can partly cure it by building an extremely strong internal moral system that disallows you from bullshitting yourself and giving in to your desire for the "security" that NPD sufferers seek in their paranoid, passive aggressive, and lashing out behaviors. View this like building a tower in the middle of your psyche that is not made of your own subjective feelings, but of objective guidelines like "It is never right to lash out or get revenge," and "No matter how compromised and victimized I feel, it's always better to be a good person and go meditate rather than be stuck in the endless spiral. Never listen to the paranoia no matter how convincing it seems." Once the tower gets big and sturdy enough, you will always be able to see it and orient yourself by it no matter where you are lost within the storm of your own subjective feelings. It's like a beacon or lighthouse inside your own self. This combined with learning about how psychotic and manic episodes function, and how they feel 100% real and are like a bubble you can't see outside of when you are inside the bubble, can eventually rewire and reroute many of the negative symptoms of NPD sufferers. Obviously all of this is easiest if the person believes in an objective moral or cosmological framework beyond the social, emotional, and hedonic levels, since it will then be easier for them to understand the need to subordinate emotional and hedonic payoff to moral rectitude, and ignore social shame even when it is overbearing because they know doing what is right is more important. The more an NPD sufferer genuinely believes in an objective moral order that transcends themselves and their own need for comfort, the easier it will be to build the tower within themselves out of blocks borrowed from that moral order.
Sure it's not autism? Autism comes from Greek autos: self.>>23977538Say more?
>>23976598Hi fellow NPD anon. I've been on your journey for some 5 years. I think the two big lessons I've learned are that: (1) NPD Is only effectively treated by seeing it as a variant of CPTSD and (2) the ego is an object. We've all got our symptoms which we use to cope with reality and NPD just happens one other coping mechanism. It's nice to see it as just one more silly option to deal with the void compared to all the other ways people deal with the void.Anyway, for CPTSD, The Body Keeps The Score is a classic. DeYoung's Understanding and Treating Chronic Shame (NPD is a response to overwhelming shame, after all) was helpful too. As self-help stuff goes, lately I'm enjoying poking at The Artist's Way as well as Recovery of Your Inner Child.I got a lot out of studying psychoanalysis and phenomenology. Lacan and Heidegger are key figures for me. NPD is just the way one can be built, silly as it is. It doesn't mean you have to be an asshole about it. I like Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics on this note.If you want some fiction I really like Watts' Blindsight and de Beauvoir's All Men Are Mortal. Those books really force their reader to stare into the void: great for driving home just how silly narcissism is in the grand scheme of things, and perhaps how one should take seriously living well instead. Good luck anon. I know that after a lifetime spent thinking that you're the greatest person, it's easy to turn around and feel like you're the worst person. That's not the case either. You're just one more person with some shit to sort through.
>>23976598Don’t.
>>23977604That’s what I’m saying
>>23977790>The Body Keeps The ScoreMy therapist recommended this but I’m skeptical.
>>23977618Excellent advice, anon. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
>>23976598If you suspect you're a narcissist and feel bad about it, you're almost certainly not a narcissist, by definition.
>>23977618Choosing to develop my faith and become a Christian was the best thing I've ever done for my mental health. I honestly can't believe how effective simply shedding nihilism is for your well-being.
People tend to have narcissistic personality disorder are more successful and intelligent look up famous people suffering to this one so I'd say you are lucky if you've been suffering one don't fix it and try to use this as an advantage also they don't tend to be suicidal unlike other illnesses
>>23978042I do not know what it is then. I am simply incapable of forming relationships, distrustful of others, a compulsive liar, think of myself as very clever, believe I am better than everyone, have very violent internal thoughts, have no sense of selfhood, and am constantly on the verge of tears only for myself. I would say I am suicidal, but I am not sure what it entails; do I feel like I want to kill myself at times, yes, but I do not believe I would ever act on it.I do not have that personal ability to manipulate and advance myself like most narcissists, so maybe that is why I am on here looking to fix it. If anyone knows enough about Freud, I am sure I check a lot of his boxes for negative experiences experienced during the pre and post-oedipal phases.
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>>23979020Same but I truth tell a lot. You should just try being more honest with people. It helps weed out the undesirables.
>>23977538Same. It also turned me into a corpophagist.
>>23977618>The more an NPD sufferer genuinely believes in an objective moral order that transcends themselves and their own need for comfort, the easier it will be to build the tower within themselves out of blocks borrowed from that moral order.No wonder the evangelical christians with NPD are the worst offenders.
Sadly, Porn
>>23979563Unironically this
>>23977790Why do you NPD niggers victimize yourselves?
>>23976598ever try mushrooms?
You probably aren't much of a narcissist, not much more than pretty much everybody. Remember that self-deprecation is just as annoyingto others as self glorification in the long run.
>>23979402You did not read the post and jumped straight to attacking Christians. Could you name one of these modern narcissist Christians?
>>23979978We don’t
>>23980003He’s talking about me
>>23976598Discourses of Epictetus and Ecclesiastes
>>23977618>One of the worst tragedies of true NPD is that people who have it are virtually never able to believe that they have it.>bro... do you have NPD dude?Uh... no?>sounds like something an NPD person would say!How is it even possible to know that you aren't deluding yourself?
You guys do not actually believe that all these invisible occult diagnoses actually exist, right?
>>23980527It's more like >You should try out therapy, it worked for me>Therapy? Why would I need therapy, I'm glad it worked for you as you're someone who could use therapy frankly but I don't need therapy, I'm my own therapist, I've had actual struggles like I know you had some struggles too and I'm glad they were the kind therapy can help but I actually had to overcome real serious problems so I'm good thanks. But I'm glad therapy worked for you, it's good that you can admit about yourself that you need help, honestly I've thought about telling you to get therapy before so I'm glad you're getting it. Maybe you could use some more therapy, I'm just saying, since we're being honest, I just tell it like it is, I'm a straight shooter like that. >Uhh do you think you might have a touch of NPD? >Oh wow. Just wowwww okay wow you're really going to go there. I didn't want to say this but actually we've all been talking and we were just saying we think you might have NPD? Is this how you talk to your friend Gary, the one who got mad at you*? Do you think he thinks you have NPD? Lol is this how you talked to your ex Christina, did you tell her she has NPD? You know projecting is a symptom of NPD right? I think you need to ramp up your therapy. No offense I'm just saying, since we're being honest* Note that the Gary fight is something you confided in them about 7 months earlier and during which they agreed with you 100% that Gary was in the wrong
>>23979020Get into:The enneagram. You sound like a 3w4 or a 4w3. 3s and 4s are intensely self-focused in different ways, one the external and the other the internal. Both are fine ways of being if they're depolarized so that they're not so extreme and monopolizing.IFS therapy (books by Richard Schwartz).Sam Vaknin (youtube, books).
>>23980542What if they jus say "uh, no?" Calmly? What if they're a really cool covert narcissist and not social retards?Who cares, honestly? What difference does it make? If NPDs are as people say they are, completley self-deluded and incapable of being treated, then why bother talking about it at all?
The Power of Now
>>23977604Nothing, if one doesn’t have to live with the
>>23976598>Generation of Sociopaths, Gibney>Death by Boomers, Tim Dillon>Bowling Alone, Putnam>Sadly, Porn, Edward Teach>Phenomenology of Spirit, Hegel>The Ego and his Own, StirnerWhen you're Narc'ing, you're being a fucking BOOMER. It's that simple. The persona non grata, the (You) is a matter of indifference. If you're not the driver, (you)'re the Horse.
I envy him
Any advanced maths or physics book.
>>23976598Surprised no one mentioned Crime and Punishment yet.
>>23977618NPD and BPD definitely overlap quite a bit, so I'd define them a bit differently.The first way to differentiate is by assessing behaviors as feminine or masculine.Women usually have the BPD and men usually have the NPD and it helps to visualize the stereotypes of poorly regulated emotion in the sexes. But it can definitely cross over too, especially with gays and lesbians. Falling into borderline psychotic states is actually more BPD, hence the name. They react disproportionately to various triggers and need to emotionally dump on others.Whereas NPD tends to have all kinds of strategies for self-promotion or selfish ends that happen without regard for others. NPD may only lash out when they need to avoid being wrong or taking blame.Somebody properly has such a condition if they can't moderate themselves even when the behavior is pinpointed and obviously wrong.I do agree though that NPD does well with learning explicit principles and actually putting them into action. It's not good enough to just think or talk about them, as NPD love bullshitting in that way.BPD are more difficult because they have trouble transferring moral understanding across contexts. They need to have group sessions that confront common behaviors in order to understand how they get triggered and make things worse for everyone.
>>23977532>>23976598Yeah read the upanishads or the tao, Upanishads is better in my opinion
>>23976598Heraclitus>“The most beautiful ape is ugly when compared to a human. The wisest human will seem like an ape when compared to a god with respect to wisdom, beauty, and everything else.”I wish I could attain this sort of disinterest in worldly affairs. Anything which detains us in this lesser realm only hinders us.
>>23976598your narcissism is just a result of your broken self. Tackle the things that left a mark on you (childhood trauma...is usually the culprit, severe self image problems). There's no cure for "narcissism", it's just healing
