Why is it so violent?
>>23978490Imperialism. It's not really more violent than other texts like the Mahabharata.
>>23978490>1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.to wipe out their descendants
>>23978490"Christian pacifists" have no answer for this book. For the entire Old Testament, really. Their reading of God is inconsistent with the text of the Bible and invites the accusation that the Old Testament and New Testament Gods are different.Not to mention Jesus Himself talks about wrath and death more than once, if you actually bother to read the Gospels.
>>23978490cause it's cool
>>23978615The violence of the OT isn't relevant for Christian pacifists. The facts of those events doesn't change their conviction that pacifism is the righteous way to live.
the world is a violent place and the old jews had no illusions about it, unlike the christians (retroactively proven wrong through constant wars up to this day)
mystery 4 the ages
>>23979066>desertThis is the dumbest of all the fedora tipper tropes. The "desert" portions of the Bible are really pretty short, all told. Most of the Bible takes place in the Holy Land. Have you ever seen it? THIS is what Israel looks like. It also has snowy mountains in the north. It's a country along the Mediterranean, and its climate and topography are quite similar to certain other Mediterranean countries, like Italy.
>>239792961. No land is holy, or all land is holy. Either or.2. You've never red the bible, and it shows.
>>23978615>"Christian pacifists"Who are you even talking about? You come across as a Catholic trying to defend inquisitions and torturing people for not believing in that Babylonian whore Roman pagan idolatrous cult.>>23978952The Jews' religion isn't the Old Testament faith and it wasn't at the time of Christ. Did you not read all the rebukes Christ had for their religious leaders? He called them children of the devil and children of hell. And he told the descendants of the northern tribes they didn't even know what they were worshipping after all the wicked kings they had and after all the mixture with the heathens and the heathen religions. If you're a child of the devil, that's not simply someone unsaved, that's someone who's a reprobate like the son of Belial in Judges 19 (go read the story). Who's Belial? It's baal, beelzebub, it's the devil.>>23979066Your beliefs are comic book tier, with your state-funded sci-fi faggot religion of the dumb big bang theory and origin of life and evolutionistrannyism for stupid communists, trannies, hippies, and reprobates like you. You idiots teach kids that boys can evolve into women and that transvestites are normal, and your camp wants "sex ed" in kindergarten since you fags are all pedophiles.
>>23979621>1. No land is holy, or all land is holy. Either or.>2. You've never red the bible, and it shows.You're a fool.The land was holy because God was there. It's God's presence that made it holy. And God's spirit isn't striving with reprobates or a nation that leads the world in it, especially those of a religion whose religious texts speak all manner of lies and blasphemies against the Lord Jesus Christ.Joshua 5:13-15>13And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?>14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?>15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.Exodus 3:2-5>2And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.>3And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.>4And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.>5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
>>23978490Jews love to pretend they were warriors of some kind. Historicity roundly refutes this. It‘s just Inglourious Basterds circa 2500 years ago.
>>23979296wait fr?
>>23979941You've done a marvelous job describing how much you hate every belief system that can be easily identified in the West but what do you actually believe?
>>23979997You're giving the medieval gnostic cult called "Judaism" way too much credit, even still. Those people really have nothing to do with the Biblical people group in the first place.
>>23978490You know why. They're chereming right now.
>>23980010>you hate every belief system that can be easily identified in the WestI believe the Bible. It's literally the foundation for modern Western civilization even despite all the decay and degeneration and this falling away from the faith and from sound Bible doctrine. You can have your faggoty little French revolution and your boylover greco-roman "Renaissance" and your faggoty "Spartans" and pederast Roman Catholicism and state-funded gaytheist sci-fi religion if you consider that "Western"; I then won't associate with "Western", I'd rather associate with the Lord God Almighty.Are you illiterate or just stupid or just a liar? Can you really not understand what I believe when I'm referring to Christ's rebukes against the religious leaders of his day as an authority on what to believe? Are you really such a fool to think Catholicism is Christian? Do you think "Judeo-Christian values" exist when the Jews' religion blasphemes the Lord Jesus Christ in all manner of ways? Do you not even know what are the Talmud and Zohar?
>>23978615>invites the accusation that the Old Testament and New Testament Gods are different.Like Marcion, the original author of the source gospels, adamantly claimed? That the universal God of Love is indeed different from the cruel, vengeful tribal deity of some semitic desert dwellers?Hmm… really makes you think…
>>23980033I was just asking because I was curious. The way I meant the word Western was referring to the modern world. Personally I'm a Catholic so I'm not really the biggest fan of Judaism. I defend the Church because I think Church is a pretty good thing to do: a community of believers with traditions and rites to unite them. Of course, since there's people in it, there are also problems, but the only alternatives are no Church at all or a Church that expels a lot of people. Personally, I believe that since Jesus saves and, as you have yourself noted, not a man is just but all fall short in the sight of God, it isn't for me, or even for Church leadership in the majority of cases, to decide who can and can't belong to the community of the faithful.
>>23980033Are you familiar with the Septuagint, Anon?
>>23979296the religion originated from egypt
>>23978490>OT: nationalistic, jingoistic state>NT: sacrificial cult for dregs of societyThe OT is way more based than the NT. The only things that matter are strength, wisdom, influence, and wealth. The following is way sexier and appealing than the weak and cowardly pacifism of "turning the other cheek":2 Samuel 23:8-10 DRA8 These are the names of the valiant men of David. Jesbaham sitting in the chair was the wisest chief among the three, he was like the most tender little worm of the wood, who killed eight hundred men at one onset.9 After him was Eleazar the son of Dodo the Ahohite, one of the three valiant men that were with David when they defied the Philistines, and they were there gathered together to battle.10 And when the men of Israel were gone away, he stood and smote the Philistines till his hand was weary, and grew stiff with the sword: and the Lord wrought a great victory that day: and the people that were fled away, returned to take spoils of them that were slain
>>23978490Everybody I've met named Josh has been violent
God sent out an early, incomplete version of his Bible for feedback, and some people thought it was too boring. Incensed, he decided to write a really violent chapter, thereby scaring the shit out of his beta readers. They never complained again.
>>23980592BM is a roidtranny who is middle aged and has no kids, enough with the larp
>>23980592You know turn the other cheek is in the old estimate? Lamentations 3:30, I know most here have no biblical knowledge and have to exegete everything, its mostly White people too
>>23981602>Lamentations 3:30The whole point of that book is Jeremiah's bereavement over Israel's chastisement. I'm clearly referring to the counterproductive pacifism implied by the common usage. Stop being pedantic
>>23980028False. Cope.
>>23981666They're 100% fake, come on now. They are those who "say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie," just like it says in Revelation 3:9. They are the gentiles who will tread the holy city under foot for a few months before the actual people of God will inherit the earth as joint-heirs with Christ. These are simple Biblical facts. As it says in Romans 8:17, "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."
>>23981653Wrong, it is also a messianic text to parallel the Jews and the new covenant too in the NT. The whole text was talking about not making mountains out of molehills, There's a distinction between what's obligatory and what's supererogatory, which is a fancy word for what's above and beyond what's required. How many of them have cut off their hand or poked out their eye? I have a question, are you White?
>>23981678I didn‘t ask for internal jewish weaseling.
