the purple wedding editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24040682
Lorefaggotry is the highest form of entertainment in all of media
>>24059547At this point I don't even care about the ending anymore all I care about is for Alleras to get Leo tyrell's BWC and bear his Andal children
>>24059547this art sucks hard>>24059754i wish she sucked me hard ajajajajaja mucho sexxoo
I have a hard time visualizing how Riverruns three way moat works and how the Tully's can open the dams to flood the surrounding area.
>>24059808It just does don't think about it anon
I finally understand that the point of the Preston Jacobs fanfic isn't to finish Winds, it's to piss George off enough that he publishes it himself. Either he gets pissed because it's shit or he gets pissed because the fandom starts recognizing PJ's fanfic as the 'new canon filling the void.' I bet Preston emails Elio and Linda every time he releases a new chapter to tell them to 'remind' George to hurry the fuck up.
If I lived in Santa Fe I would vandalize the fuck out of George’s house
Nikolajbros eating good
>>24059754>Preston’s fanfic features Alleras blowing some acolyte she likes For this reason alone, it’s based
>>24060342George is too busy with salad dressing to pay Preston any mind.
>>24060388meh i like nikolaj but all of these shows play the exact samejust pointless drama and sex for take sake of views. not any different from trashy soap operas, they just have a pseudo-medieval dressing with colours dulled/removed because everything in medieval times was gray and brown and dreary and dreadful (they have to make them this way otherwise the average viewer wouldn't understand that it's the past or something)
>>24060434>"pointless drama and sex for [the] sake of views"They did the exact same thing with Vikings too and it made the series unwatchable. Latter seasons of GoT suffered from it too, once they ran out of ideas. It's just a cheap trick for slop shows and it's so predictable and boring every time
>>24059898it looks cool
>rhaegar wins the rebellion fanfics
>>24061007does he marries Robert in those?
Am I the only one that wishes this whole fucking thing was about the free cities?The Triarchy was my favorite part of Fire & Blood, and I'd love to learn about Ghis and shit.I'm so bored by Westerosi bullshit.
>>24061595George is bored by westerosi bullshit too
>>24061595Essos is more interesting than Westeros, but the free cities are the least interesting part of essos
>>24060388>BBCSo that means there’ll be out of place blacks and browns in it as well.I’m gonna pass.
>>24061711Their War and Peace adaptation was actually quite good (no browns), but that was already a decade ago.
>>24059556Whatever you say, tranny boy.
>>24061625>Essos is more interesting than Westeros,Why are its povs the worst then?
>>24061817Because dany and her story aren’t very good
>>24061754Because they are too disconnected from the main story. The lore, mystery and history of essos is pretty sick though
>>24060434Can’t stand this either. I swear for the last few seasons of GoT, almost every fucking character is dressed in nothing but black, it was fucking dumb.
>>24061846Yes, I agree.
Who should get the A Dream of Spring prologue? I am thinking one of these three:1) an average citizen going about their daily life in Valyria unaware the Doom is going to start 2) a Child of the Forest getting wrecked by an Andal after they arrive in Westeros for the first time 3) Coldhands showing their past live and how they became a wight
>>24061908odd books get a Beyond-the-Wall Prologueeven books get a Maester PrologueWinds prologue should be the Westerling Maester PoV checking in on Jeyne and her aborted Stark PrinceDream prologue should either be Coldhands doing something relevant for Bran or Tormund's PoV of The Wall coming down.
>>24061931Winds POV will be Shitmouth
>>24061986Shut up.
>>24061931>The Wall coming down...will happen during the Battle of Blood.
>>24061986Nah, Ser Ilyn Payne
>>24061931>Tormund's PoV of The Wall coming downI've long thought that the finale for Winds should be the Wall falling and the POV character getting killed by blue eyed Jon Snow. Remember this post in 20 years when GRRM dies and we get to see his notes
What if Robert didn't get hurt by the boar and Ned was able to tell him about the incest? Jaime might not get captured by Robb, but idk if Robert is pissed enough to kill Cersei's kids or if he'd chose some kind of mercy and send Joffrey to the Wall, Tommen to the citadel, and Myrcella to the silent sisters? Probably more likely he just kills them. I think Renly's original plan goes through, and Robert marries Margaery. Tyrells have way less control under this situation though, and maybe Varys/Illyrio expedite rescuing Dany after Khal Drogo's death upon hearing about her dragons and set her up to marry fAegon. Good luck explaining in such a short timespan that Illyrio knew him but never told her or Viserys about him even once though.
>gold for glass chapterpretty great, GRRM should have kept it in
>>24062201Ned would likely send a letter beforehand warning Cersei to run, otherwise Robert would kill the kids (and regret later). Any control the Tyrells have now is only incidental, they'd be more than happy to slowly peddle their influence, as with any new house they are just happy to be there. You forget Dany was just a girl then, there wouldn't be much explaining and at least one of them can always faint ignorance.
>>24061908I just thought of who could be another POV for ADOS Benjen. It could answer what he's been up too this entire time while showing us more of the Land of Always Winter like GRRM has promised us
>>24062233what is it?
>>24059547
>>24060394So fucking based. Do you recommend it? Thinking Ill read it once its all done, if its decent
>>24060388Who's he playing? It better be Godwinson
>>24060434I fucking hate that trope, the middle age had plenty of color and were not just muh drab dark ages. Thats literally a meme started by victorian Renaissance scholar. The Middle Ages were not "the dark ages" and were not void of color and full of misery. I want this trope to stop so bad but it wont as long as antiwhites control the media
>>24062494William the Bastard. Norton is playing Godwinson.
What business do maesters have in places such as the Iron Islands? No safe places nor warm or grateful for maesters.
>>24062906Victarion the Viking must become the next King of the Iron Islands.
>>24061595>Essos filler>Fire&Bloodyeah, people like you are very rare
>>24063159rare-tarded
>try C.AI Westeros RPG simulator >bot starts using “gotta” in conversations 20 replies in and has to be reminded that King’s Landing is a city on the waterWelp
Local shop is selling a preview edition of AGOT for £100.I'm tempted to buy it and it could be a decent investment
>>24062446>BenjenI still want to know why he joined the night's watch when his house was down to a brother and his newborn. Penance for helping Lyanna elope maybe? At any rate George has refused to shed light on the matter.
>>24063409Real Benjen died a hero birthing Jon at Lyanna's placeBenjen Stark that Jon knows was Lyanna all along
>he fathers bastards >some of them come out looking valyrian How would they have explained it away?
>>24063438Remember, the people who wonder about Jon's parentage only got so far as thinking his mom was either some wetnurse from Dorne or Ashara Dayne. If Jon had a white haired kid, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that it could come from his potential Dayne side, or even that this wetnurse was a descendant of a Dayne or a Valyrian (of which there are more than one house than just the Targs)They'd just say that "the kids get it from Jon's mother's side, whoever she may have been" and leave it at that. Whether that would be believed, i can't say, but this seems like the most logical defense
save the date, March 19, 2025It's the date that A Dance with Dragons turns 5000 days old
KWAB
>>24060388>theres blacks in itDropped. Not watching antiwhite garbage.
Why is it possible to report your own post?
prove to me STANNIS is not Azor Ahai.
STANNISSTANNIS STANNIS
>>24064237his "lightbringer" gives off no heat
>>24064395He hasn't stabbed his beloved in the heart yet so we don't know whether he would actually be able to get a real Lightbringer.I think the only person he loves is his daughter, so maybe him burning Shireen will truly awaken the Azor Ahai in him, but since he doesn't stab her like he's supposed to, it'll have some really bad outcome(s)
>>24064438He isn't from the line of Aerys and Rhaella either like the prophecy says. Also features among the lies Dany has to slay like Faegon.
>>24064462That prophecy was about the prince who was promised, who although used interchangeably with azor ahai by some characters, has never been confirmed to be the same person
>>24064528Not just the characters but also George in that one season 2 video. Might as well have been a soft confirmation they're one entity.
>>24064528Azor Ahai, Lightbringer = The Last Hero and the dragonsteel swordAzor Ahai "reborn", born amidst salt and smoke to wake dragons out of stone = The Prince that was PromisedThere won't be an "Azor Ahai" in the current events because that's a legend from the first Long Night, no one will sacrifice a love one to make a dragonsteel blade, that's not a prophecyThe only prophecy concerns the Prince whom the Red Priests claim to be the reincarnation of Azor Ahai, and the Prince must come from the line of Aerys and Rhaella, which is not the case for Stannis
>>24064438Does Stannis belove anyone? He can't stab a grievance or complaint so who is he going to stab
We are mere days away from the year Gurm finally develops a sense of shame and releases a book.
>>24065037we'll be reading winds in two weeks guys. only two more weeks and the wait is over
Fuck you big time and cancer upon you George Raymond Richard Martin! For now on I will call you Gurm the Wurm, Fat George, Fat Hack and Santa George, you lazy arrogant incompetent fat piece of shit.Fuck you for making me wait this long for The Winds of Winter! Fuck you gurm. And I suppose A Dream of Spring is off the table as well?!
Why did the most eligible man in Westeros marry a kitchen drab?
>>24065037the sense of axiety and despair is far greaterhe had already succumbed to them, it's over, he just awaits his death, so he won't be present at moment when people will get a hold of his manuscript and discuss how awful his writing has become
TWOW announcement right after gurm gets over his Christmas hangover, right?
>>24062491>Do you recommend it?not him but no.some chapters are good but the majority are shit.
I've heard it said that Ned was an exception in the Stark family, but is there anything to actually suggest how different he was from his predecessors?Like, even after conquering all of the North thousands of years ago, did the Starks remain assholes?
>atheist, existentialist author that hates prophecy and destiny writes a story where the person who becomes king is someone who can literally mind control people and take away the illusion of free will by sending them prophetic dreams of what he needs them to do to progress his own agendaWhat did George mean by this? Shouldn't the story be about trying to stop something like a King Bran? Was it a shitpost for D&D meant to make the show's ending as far separated from the arguably more optimistic ending he actually has in mind?
>>24065772>a story where the person who becomes king is someone who can literally mind control people and take away the illusion of free will by sending them prophetic dreams of what he needs them to do to progress his own agendaI doubt it's going to be portrayed as an entirely good thing.
>>24065747This is actually an aspect not many consider but everything people like about the Stark is in fact Arryn in nature. Yes the real Starks are mega assholes, think more Cregan going south to pass everyone through the sword and less Eddard wanting to bring people to justice. And funny enough we'll probably see them going back to their roots with Rickon being nigh a skinchanger wildling.
>>24065772Isn't Bran just a green seer? He can't actually mind control people. He can send prophecy and dreams, which don't need to be heeded. If he was that powerful, then the children of the forest shouldn't have lost to a bunch of primitive cavemen.
>>24065196Based
>>24065869Anon is talking about Bloodraven>If he was that powerful, then the children of the forest shouldn't have lostThey didn't lose. The First Man were bronze age people, not cavemen and as a direct result of the war they would start worshipping the weirwoods and the old gods
>>24066017>Anon is talking about BloodravenBloodraven is a green seer, like Bran. They're just incredibly few, now. If there's any other place they (green seers) would be, it would be the isle of faces, but that's a big maybe.>They didn't lose. They were LOSING, and got desperate, THREE times. They had to sink or increase water levels to get rid of the arm of Dorne, and they failed to flood the Neck. Then they made the Others because they couldn't beat them any other way.
>>24065747Ned's MUH HONOR schtick is basically nowhere to be found in other members of the house. His older brother was like Robert and despoiled maidens everywhere he went. Lyanna cuckqueaned Elia. Their father had Southron ambitions. Cregan's uncles were planning on stealing Winterfell from him. Theon Stark lived and breathed war crimes. One of the Brandons was literally called Brandon the Bad. The Night's King was strongly implied to be a Stark. King Torrhen's brother wanted to ambush Aegon's camp in the night to kill his nukes while they slept. The right of the first night was practiced the most in the North suggesting the Starks were okay with it. Bran's visions showed his ancestors doing sacrificial blood shit in front of heart trees. All of Ned's kids are wargs because some Stark in the past killed the Marsh kings and took their daughters to wife. Hell, a section of the crypts has been collapsed on purpose so they can cover up whatever dirty dark secret they're hiding (most likely some white walker related fuckery).
>>24066051They were always incredibly few, it is 1 in a million with the potential but that is not what i meant. When people say King Bran they mean Bloodraven as Bran, which is the scenario he was talking about. Is not that Bran can't control people, is that he is 10 and already has control of Hodor, which makes everyone speculate on what exactly Brynden capable of. In the books the Children and the First Men settlers warred and them agreed to a pact. That only makes sense if they reached some sort of stalemate, naturally if the First Men were winning there would be less reason for a ceasefire. However not only did the war stop but the First Men abandoned their religions in favor of the Old Gods. That doesn't sound like losing imo. The hammer on the Neck was done thousands of years later, during the Andal invasion, when both the Children and the First Men actually lose.
>>24066051>Then they made the Others>>/tv/
>>24065869>He can't actually mind control peopleHe can warg Hodor. Whether or not he can warg non-retards is another question though.Bloodraven was the most powerful greenseer to ever live until Bran, who's ability to warg Hodor is unprecedented.
>>24066165That definitely came from George, down to the obsidian weirwood sacrifice. That latest feast draft leak proves that to me
STANNIS WILL WIN BATTLE OF ICE
>>24066183>unprecedentedSpeedreader... Varamyr took control of the wildling woman for a brief moment, had she been a little weaker or him a little stronger, he would've successed. He was capable of even pushing the guy who taught him everything, Haggon, out of a his own wolf. And Haggon was the one who insisted that using the ability to manipulate another person was an abomination. It's a literal in-universe taboo.>>24066375And Martin is also on record saying they are a not undead in any way but a different sort of life, so i personally find it very unlikely. It is known the Children fought with the First Men against them and won in the battle for the dawn, when they had no visible reason to do so, save for the pact made. On the contrary the Others could've been very beneficial to them. So they created the Others sometime before the First Men for some unknown reason and what, forgot? Somehow lost control of the golems? Hell regardless if the Children created them or not, if they just knew they would come, why war with the First Men at all? Why not hide underneath the mountains and just wait until they are all dead or frozen?
>>24066183>Bloodraven was the most powerful greenseer to ever live until Bran>to ever live What makes you say or think this? There could have been way more powerful ones in the past, when magic was more potent, when weirwoods covered the continent and the children of the forest were in their prime and humans weren’t around. >who's ability to warg Hodor is unprecedented>unprecedentedVaramyr, a very powerful powerful warg, a non-greenseer, could perform it, but he struggled as he attempted it on a normal non-retarded human.
please tell me bros that Bran will get to live out his knight fantasy by fighting Euron inside the weirwoods, I want that lil nigga to be happy
Reminder that Leaf told Bran right to his face that his life is meant to suck. The old gods only choose those with short, weak lives, so as to get them to trees sooner.No happy ending for him.
The Children and the Others are two tribes of the same elder race, one which made peace with humans and one which refused to make peace and so now have Irreconcilable Differences.
>>24067137No they’re literally humans infected with ice magic and are pale mockeries of what they once were. Everything they do is a mockery of human culture, and they have no true culture of their own.
>>24067137Children >>>>>>> Others
>>24063543Fortunately for Ned ice mogs fire so it's a non-issue.
>>24062464Early of draft of Feast's prologuehttps://imgur.com/a/feast-crows-prologue-draft-long-version-SLKjMJE
The others are made of ice. And what is ice? Frozen water. What kind of monster do we know in Asoiaf that’s associated with water? Squishers. Open. Your. Eyes
Who had a bigger dick? Ned or his older brother Brandon?
>>24067356Mushroom
>>24067093>No happy ending for him.He'll get the pointy chair so many are striving for thougheverbeit.
>>24067356Its heavily implied the Starks are all pitifully endowed, that's where the Honor compensation comes fromObviously Baratheons are stupid hung and Targaryens are on the other extreme with their pale inbred micro-penises and wispy silver pubes
>>24067512Loras Tyrell is a lucky boy... and Selyse was undeserving.
>>24067533Kek at the thought of Stannis being an ultra-hung stud who is so autistic that he doesn't even get horny.
>>24067307How canonical can we consider the description of the Hightower in this chapter? >The base of the Hightower was a colossal square of fused black stone with walls fifty feet thick and a hundred feet high. >A second keep sat atop the first, its grey granite walls supported by massive buttresses. >The third tier was another of the same, smaller still.>The fourth was the Lord's Sept, a seven-sided temple of green marble with windows of leaded glass.>The upper tiers were cylindrical. Atop then all, eight hundred feet above the river, blazed the iron beacon that guided seafarers up Whispering sound.Except for the dark stone base, none of this was in any of the books. And artists took to depicting the tower in white stone to match the heraldry.
>>24067540>waking the stone dragon
>>24067568Mely woke his stone dragon every now and then it seemsThere was no other reason why he kept sleeping in her bedroom like it was his
>>24067594unrelated but it seriously grieves me that Melisandre has a chapter halfway through Dance and then no othersThat is surely the only time a character has had just the one chapter outside of Pro/Epilogues
>>24067596Arys Oakheart?
>>24067596it's a setup for Melisandre taking over as the Wall PoV post-Jon's death
>>24067614always forget the Dorne and Iron Islands chapters in Feast are split up between multiple POV's makes it really seem like he's painted himself into a corner with the POV style if he's having to do that:/
>>24059547>she shat and she shit
>>24067652Nobody taught George how to garden properly.
>>24067654>and so she shat, and so she shat>that girl of targaryen
>tfw the only difference between the boltons and the starks are PR, and that the boltons enjoy flaying people
>>24067706Nah.
How come Bloodraven is the only character on asoiaf wiki to have 2 of his ethnicity mentioned at his culture sub?
Le rivermen Muh riverlands
The maesters have through the scientific method come to the conclusion that dornish pussy is the best in the realm.
>>24067829As long as you remember the golden rule:>dote on your half-dornish daughter>abort your half-dornish son
>>24066392Ah yes, the Leper King.
Why is stannis called the dark lord? So unfair to call someone like stannis a dark lord!
>>24067310HORDHOOOORD
Hold the door Hodor!
If dragons are artificially created then so are the Others. If dragons are natural then the same must be true for the Others.
Reminder that magic is a sick fuck pedophile. How do you gain its favour? By sacrificing, or even mutilating, innocent children. Even orphaned kids. The CHILDREN of the forest are no coincidence… the OLD gods are no coincidence…
I was the anon asking earlier about the preview edition and went ahead and bought it today. Getting no luck in finding out exactly how much of the UK editons they produced, so I am guessing they are slightly rarer than the US ones
>>24068459unless they aren'tyour presupposition that if A = B then C must also = B is wrong so your whole theory falls apart immediately
>>24068459Only a (((maester))) would deny that Dragons, the Others or magic itself isn't natural
I think both The Others and the Dragons are from space. Wyverns might've originally arrived when another planet collided with the moon, and a few clutches of eggs could've been stashed away on the debris somewhere. The Others are one hundred percent ayyys. I think they just crashed on Westeros a long time ago after their ship got into an accident.
>>24068571i love the odd editions, these are my favorites, the feast one is my grail
>>24060388ruh roh
>>24069098>Thane ThomasLmao
>>24068677>anon can't into properties of equality Grim.
>>24069089What does one think when he looks at the retro cover of asoiaf?
Jon, Daenerys & Tyrion
>>24069098we wuz thanes n sċite
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STARK AND KARSTARK ARE ONE BLOOD!!!!!!!!! IF YOU KILL ME YOU'RE LE HECKIN KINSLAYERINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>24069562>wow this would make a really good tv show :^)
>>24069705Executing him was still stupid. Edmure had the right idea- keep him alive as a hostage to maintain the loyalty of his troops. Instead Robb hacked his head off and lost a thousand men when he couldn't afford to lose any.
>>24069724The post isn't about Robb and Rickard.
>>24069745Oh it's about Cregan? My bad
Cregan not executing Corlys was THE single most infuriating passage i've read in the fat fuck's books and nothing even comes close.
>>24067137Are those books in the image any good?
>tfw this is supposed to be aegon's sistersnever seen a fandom more hell-bent on niggerfying everyone
>>24070041If I was black I'd feel disgustedknowing that there are whole fandoms of people who raceswap characters to feel good about themselves....It's like people taking pity on you, but instead of giving your gibs or something useful they do this
>>24070041Who cares? It’s low brow genre fiction
>>24070086if you were black you wouldn't give a shit, unless your autism also carried over
>>24067829>concludes that dornish pussy is the best>posts disgusting foot-fetish shit instead of an Arianne fanart???
>>24070430Does Arianne takes cum baths?
>>24069723:D
>>24070430She cute
fish dickFISH DICK
How many GRRMisms can you cram into one sentence?>The boy was six-and-ten or near enough as makes no matter as he strode down the street of silk with his nuncle during the hour of the wolf clad in a suit of armor with nipples on the breastplate having just come from a game of cyvasse presided over by a queer knight in his cups japing about much and more as grease dribbled down his kissed by fire beard as a wench not far from her flowering poured arbor gold from a flagon while her smallclothes made an imprint on her too tight gown half a heartbeat before the bard who was breaking his fast not a hundred paces away stood up to make water for the nonce and return to delight the tavern with a stirring song about a summer child on his fifth nameday and it was all he could do not to proclaim others take you and storm off in his wroth like a man grown who must needs bend the knee or suffer a mummer's farce in the seven hells.
Tolkien's better
>>24067562Even the black stone base wasn't actually mentioned in the books until TWOIAF, right? If it was in an old AFFC draft, this confirms that the presence of fused black stone outside Valyria isn't just something he came up with later.
i am high as fuck on crazy drugs and i love you guys happy new year i wish there was a great crimson comet to herald the comming of this new year
>>24071819George, we love you too, you fat procrastinating bastard.
>>24071819George! No! Your heart!
Just finished my first read of AFFC and saw a couple of R*dditors complain about Victarion when he has some of the best chapters in the book. Specially The Reaver one.
>no central government>only landowners have political power>religion not taken seriously, it's just prole slop>you can own recreational lizard WMDs>you can fuck your sister, nay you SHOULD fuck your sisterNo one told me asoaif had Ancapistan. Bet they don't have a central bank either and had no tax policy.
Top 5 characters that invite the most controversy?
Jon doesn't look like Stark + Targ, he looks like Stark + Dayne.
Happy new year, /grrm/is this the year?
>>24072302In reality it was probably run by a shadow government of powerful ancient sorcerers
>>24072342RhaegarCatelynSansaStannisDaenerys>>24072438Where are the Dayne features?
>>24072442no.
>>24072438no, he just looks like a Stark. it's one of the reasons why Caitlyn hates him so much, that her kids with Ned don't look like Starks (save for Arya), but Jon does.
>>24072442That grrm dies? Yes
>>24072680Is it realistic for families to maintain the same look for millennia?
>>24072728no, but it's ASOIAFTargs can fuck their sisters and be ok
>>24071819What kind of crazy drugs?
>>24072689Fuck you
>>24072749sometimes they give birth to winged abominations albeit
>>24073015took about 300mg of dxm, didnt fully dissociate but i got fairly fucked up
What are some theories you hope never turn into canon?
>>24073400that mance turns out to be aurther dane or whoever the fuck, just let the man be a regular guyalso less of a theory but i hope george changes his mind about stannis burning shereen i feel like that would be so against his established character
Isn't Baratheon technically a cadet branch of the Targaryen.
>Woe is me, my life is bad because I am short... and no woman will ever love me...Why is he like this?
>>24072680That makes Cat kino in my book.
>>24073473I always thought it was funny that most of the different potential claimants of the throne, including usurpers, are just different flavors of Targ autism in one way or another, like you can't escape it.>BaratheonsLiterally descended from Targs (Orys) and intermarried with them extensively, and were their partners in crime>LannistersDecided to adopt the whole madness and incest things as if they have Targ envy>BlackfyrePower hungry Targs under a different name>JonAssuming R + L, Jon is Targ: Furry Edition>DanaerysActual Targ probably
Ashara would have given Ned numerous brown haired grey eyed sons of pure Stark stock and northern mien as well as multiple daughters possessing greater beauty than Sansa all of whom she would have imparted unto the knowledge and experience of courtly life she accumulated during her days as a lady in waiting to Elia.
>>24073502Being short is pretty hellish even in real life.
>>24073663don't let Catelyn read this
>>24073405I hate when an already established character turns out to be some other very known figure
>>24073663Sophie Turner ruined a lot of people's perception of Sansa. Canonically speaking, I don't think there is a prettier girl in all of Westeros. t. Petyr Baelish
>>24073738Young Sophie Turner was incredibly pretty but then she started to look more and more British as the years passed.
>>24074121Casting child actors for a long series is a crapshoot. For every Emma Watson, there's a Maisie Williams.
>marwyn thinks the Hightower base is Valyrian Marwyn confirmed a retard who doesn’t know shit about shit
>>24073473All westerosi houses are gardener cadet branches if you want to be a pedantic autist about it
>>24074128>there’s just no way we could have known!Although I’ve known pretty of attractive people with ogre-tier parents, which made me seethe when I was younger since I was the opposite
2025 is already off to a shit start I see...
>>24071819https://youtu.be/cZid3J36wH8?si=M2N-k5dpYz_nAhZC
>>24074128I think Maise is cute (in an unconventional way) and Arya isnt supposed to be hot anyway.
>>24074192Mum is hotter.
>>24073473No>>24074159>gardenerAm i missing something
If Rhaegar and Robert are second cousins what does that make Jon and Stannis?
>>240749512nd once removed?
which house has the best deviant sex goddess
>>24075387Myranda of House Royce of the Gates of the Moon is one horny woman.
>>24059547Finish your book, fat boy.
>>24075619He is no longer fat.
>>24074146You’re the biggest ignorant retard of them all!
>>24075646He's spiritually fat
>>24075646I feel like I’d be embarrassed to show my face in public if I was him.
>>24075646I’m so happy and proud of George Raymond Richard Martin :)
>>24075685While you’re actually fat. Physically that is, you obese pig.
Bros....I don't know if losing weight that fast at that age is a good thing...
>>24059754>Alleras, Arianne, Elia, Ellaria, Obara, Nymeria, TyeneWhat is it about Dornish girls? Arianne sex scene is the only time I've jerked off to a novel
>>24075608You know, I wonder if the proper "feminist ending" to asoiaf would be putting firstborn Mya Stone on the throne in the end
Is Melisandre some sort of wight?
>>24075752No.
>>24075608What Randa doesn't realize, is that Sansa is still growing. She's younger than she appears.
>>24075755Are we really sure?
>>24075752Something related, possibly. If she’s alive for so long because she’s a corpse, that would fall along with what Thoros did to Beric. She might have difficulty recalling her old life, even. “Melony”. George has said before he considers Melisandre to be his most misunderstood character. I really do believe there’s a deep story to her that we aren’t seeing, and may never see. She’s “four-hundred” according to the actors, and this is something George told them, since the implication is already there in the books. “Years beyond count”.I think the difference between ice wights and “fire wights” is the sense of self, and it’s ironic that “ice preserves” doesn’t do it justice. Is it really preserving the person? It only uses their memories to track down and kill those they once associated with.“Fire destroys” is ironic since fire brought back people back, with their sense of self mostly intact (lessening). The cold “preserves”, sure, but it is also known for its association with death, and it preserves in death. Fire for that matter destroys, but so too is it associated with the warmth of life.The contrast of ice and fire is deceiving, and I really think George is intentionally making this apparent. Too much (or too little) of either is bad. The cold wights still move too, so there is definitely energy (fire) to them, letting the body function at all. Shit happening is the essence of fire/energy.
>>24075913Perhaps.
>>24076231Still seeing your name as Cock sorry
>>24076244No worries anon. Just cook as in chef cook or just a cook.
>>24074926>am I missing something They were the most powerful house in Westeros and every great house defended from their blood. Now they’re all gone and you don’t even know who they were or what their name was. They are forgotten and don’t matter anymore, just like the Targaryens
>>24075646waiting for him to hit the gym and go full master roshi
The original white walkers were fire elementals with red eyes instead of blue and burning swords instead of ice swords. The walkers are like obsidian, frozen fire. Valyrians come from the fire elementals mating with humans and the starks come from the white walkers mating with humans.
>"One of her captains comes of a line where the men have foot-long members," he told them, "but even he's not big enough for her. She rode with the Dothraki and grew accustomed to being fucked by stallions, so now no man can fill her." Is this what they meant by American Tolkien?
What if GRRM had made Kevan regent rather than Cersei? Would he still have went through with Varys killing him
>>24075668> Most maesters accept the common wisdom that declares it to be of Valyrian construction, for its massive walls and labyrinthine interiors are all of solid rock, with no hint of joins or mortar, no chisel marks of any kindPro-tip: “commonly accepted maester wisdom” = false Marwyn is not the magic man with all the answers that you think he is. He is another grey sheep
>>24076615>This is how history will remember dany Kek
>>24076617Yes, because Kevan was competent. He wouldn't have armed the faith either so they'd be out of the equation.
If trips, winds of winter in 2025If dubs, winds of winter in 2028If singles, winds of winter released posthumously If 0, winds never
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>>24076439>and every great house*from the reach>>24076733Its over
>>24076797Garth Greenhand sired Brandon of the Bloody Blade who sired Brandon the Builder.
>>24076751>>24076791>>24076797>>24076854>>24076895Oh grow up. It’s just three more years.
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>>24076804>In some talesBut regardless, Garth Greenhand is not Garththe Gardener
>>24070264Plenty of blacks on YouTube that call out this shit.
>>24076956And Orys Baratheon is not aerion Targaryen
Why did the Great Bastards not adopt the Targ name after being legitimized?
>>24077005They wanted to be something better
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>>24073473SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP THEYRE NOT A FUCKING TARG CADET BRANCH STOP SAYING THAT FUUUUUUUCK
How many Florents still left on the board? Hour of the fox when?
>>24076952a 2025/2026 release of Winds makes Dream being finished plausible. 2028 is really pushing it.
>>24074159The Arryns most certainly are not.
>>24075717Usually isn't to be honest. Even if it's just ozempic you can't be obese for your entire life and get away with it
>>24077193ADOS has been implausible for 5 years now.
So in what language does Dany speak with Daario? Valyrian?Does Daario understand High Valyrian, or does Daenerys know some of the Tyroshi dialect?I imagine if she spoke HV and he spoke Tyroshi, there wouldn't be much mutual understanding. (I base this on Italians not understanding spoken classical Latin well.)I know gurm didn't put any thought into languages, so im just asking you for your opinions
>>24077364>does Daenerys know some of the Tyroshi dialect?Seems like it.
Total Green Victory.
>>24077386ah, forgot about this. thanks
Currently halfway through AFFC, should I read it first then ADWD or read both in this order?
>>24077543read it first then ADWD
>>24077543i just read them as they are, that's how they were intended by gurm.admittedly it does result in me forgetting most of what happened in feast by the time i'm midway through dance
Police be upon him
>>24077563Gurm the Hack Wurm imao
How would a faceless man deal with a sorcerer who can see everything coming like a paranoid lunatic? Wait for him to trip and fall?
14 years.
>>24077980I have absolutely no idea. If the faceless end up being immune/hidden to shit like fire reading or glass candles you can be sure that George favors them a bit too much.
>>24078007The most incompetent gardener to ever exist.
Enough depression posting. Let's debate exactly how fat Book Rhaenyra was. I think she was heftier than picrel.
>>24076615wtf why isn't there porn of this
i just finished the first book. it's literally just a bunch of lords fighting for a throne, it's like reading about a baker who has a bakery and bakes stuff.
>>24078046God, you’re such simple minded insolent 4channer fuckboi
>>24076708Kevan and Tyrion would be a pretty formidable team post Robert and Joffrey now that I think about it. I think Tyrion would still try and make a play to get the rock, but there wouldn't be any of that heated animosity between them like there is with him and Tywin.
Big if true.
>>24078020show throne sitting cause that's all that'll be rememberedcrowned the fool, his belly bursting like a patchface contendernever finishing a series award hanging on his neck, lace buried in its fat rollsdragon up on him breathing fire, like he burned his legacy on a pyreshovel in hand burying the dreams of his fans forever more, then the raven shrieked, "never corn"
>>24069098Not surprising, it’s made by the BBC
>>24078231NGMI
>>24078046>"A game of thrones">look inside>A game of thrones
>>24077543>Chapters aren't numbered>There's no list of chapters and their pagesThis is so annoying
>>24077391all this just so Dany can be the first "queen of westeros" when her reign is going to last shorter than Rhaenyra's.
>>24078080What does Kevan think of Tyrion?
>>24073502actually, Tyrion pretty much got the Gut's experience from berserk when you think about it
>>24078888Guts?
>>24078888he wasn't fucked in the ass, but that can still happen in some universe where George finished TWoW
>>24077563George never intended splitting these books in the first place but he's a retard
>>24078903from berserk, guts saw his waifu get raped and got sold by his father to a mandingo
>>24078995why did he do it then?
Why would George tell a random actor?
>>24079197>it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situationOH MY GODJon Snow and Ygritte are siblings??????
>>24079197Crazy how Jon snows parentage won’t matter at all in the end
>three more years
>>24073405>stannis burning shireenim pretty sure melisandre is gonna do that while glimmered as davos without stannis’s knowledge. it’s hinted at in one of her interactions with jon snow, since davos lost his finger pouch after the blackwater
Can grrm swim? Like actually swimming in water, not floating with his body.
>>24079213*Dany.
>They had found him still holding her body, silent with grief. The little crannogman, Howland Reed, had taken her hand from his. Ned could recall none of it.Who the fuck is 'they'?
>>24079256Probably wylla
Ice dragon novella is secretly canon and George is keeping that to himself because of spoilers
>>24079223Send me your copy of Dream.
>>24079256I've thought for a while that Ned and Howland weren't the only two to survive the fight with the Kingsguard, and that the two of them had to silence the other survivors to keep Lyanna and Jon's secret.A lot of people also think that Arthur Dayne survived and is actually Qhorin Halfhand
>>24079451>Arthur Dayne is Qhorin>Rhaegar is Mance>Oswell Whent is Tormund>Val is Jon Snow's twin sister from the tower of joy and they're going to get incest-marriedThis is my least favorite set of theories for the entire series
Who do you guys think Jon ends up with? For me its either Val or Arianne
>>24079714His undead dick don’t work anymore
>>24079714He will form a pact with the ice elves and marry one of their own.
>>24069098>Elander Moore>Moorcar>mfw
>>24072680>Caitlyn hates him so much, that her kids with Ned don't look like Starks (save for Arya), but Jon does.Amerimutt problems. Here in Evrope children always look like an exact mixture of both parents.
>>24079726On the contrary his fire wight member will never tire and from the Wall to Starfall maidens will feel the Snow's heat, R'hllor wills it.
>>24079714this is a jonsa general
>>24076005>“Fire destroys” is ironic since fire brought back people back, with their sense of self mostly intact (lessening).Every time a fire wight is revived, he loses part of his humanity, his memories, because fire consumesYou can revive someone until the fire consumes all their humanity, until there's nothing left but ashesBeric used his last ember to reignite Lady Catelyn's life
>>24079176Because the book was too large for publication so they split it
>>24079852I don't think fire wights can get hard. Then again, there is that dream where he's armored in black ice so who even knows if he'll be a fire wight.
>>24079714Dany, Val or Sansa
Poor Beric Dondarrion :(
>>24080214what if.. the dragon had 4 heads... just think about it....
>>24080161he could've just split it in the middle without separating the povs, but he made the deliberate decision to do so, since dividing right in the middle wouldn't have given feast a desired closing chapter and the pov split also allowed for there to be an extra layer of mystery.all of this meaning that the split pov were as intended by gurm
Now I understand why Davos Seaworth is listed as being from the Crownlands. He was born and raised in Flea Bottom after all. Therefore he is a Crownlander!
So King's Landing is shown as always sunny in the tv series while Dragonstone is shown as always having a gloomy overcast weather and it looks like some scottish island or something but if you look at the map they are really close to each other, so it doesn't really make sense geographically. Bravo Benioff/Weiss
>>24075646Think about it Tone… sudden weight loss?
I don’t think we’re getting Winds in 2024 brehs…
>>24080514At least they had the guts to depict sunny King’s Landing even though normies think Middles Ages = pouring rain and fog.The retards now running the ship at HotD are constantly showing King’s Landing as gloomy, overcast, etc. even in the throes of summer.
>>24080514KL was filmed in Croatia while DS was in north Spain. North Spain does have that dreary shitty weather most of the time (especially the north-west), so they didn't have to change much with the lighting, but in early season iirc most scenes are shot at night or during storms, instead of during the day, which adds to it being dreary.DS works fine with that weather actually. From its approximate latitude it'd have a similar climate to Jersey Island between France and the UK, which is warm and sunny in summer with degrees around 35C, but wet and muddy for the whole rest of the year. What doesn't work is KL's sun. It should be more like Istanbul, where the summers are not very hot, rarely going above 30C and winters are wet and muddy with little snow.From a show's viewpoint, I'm guessing they wanted DS to be dreary due to Stannis being a scary, no-nonsense type of guy, but also to make sure the braindead viewers understand that it's a different location than if they had made it as sunny as KL (or made KL as dreary as it.)
>>24080514>Dragonstone is shown as always having a gloomy overcast weatherThey're just following the books. Dragonstone is described as a grim place surrounded by storm and salt.
>>24080153>(lessening)Please re-read the above word.>Every time a fire wight is revived, he loses part of his humanityCool, when an ice wight is revived it loses all of their humanity. Only a vestige of memory is retained for the sake of tracking down former associated to coldly murder them.Fire still preserves the PERSON(personality/life) better than ice, which is the point.>Beric used his last ember to reignite Lady Catelyn's lifeYes. He preserved her life. Her essence of self. Life is associated with warmth.
>>24080173His body didn't stop working, it was being held together solely by magic. His "losses" were gradual and by the end he didn't sleep or eat either. And he was animated by Thoros who was barely a red priest, i reckon Melisandre or Moqorro could do a much better job.
>>24080878but how do you get an erection with no blood flowing?
>>24080890MagicOn a meta level, Georgie can't change the character after he comes back. If he can't get hard, that removes a whole slew of possible interactions (though that might be what the fat fuck is going for who knows)
>>24080908>Georgie can't change the character after he comes back??? that's the whole reason he turns them into zombies, so they can come back lesser and changed, it's why he has gripes about gandalf
>>24080999I agree, what i'm saying is that it doesn't work on a reader's level if suddenly Jon is a completely different character (unless he is not a pov anymore). It is also boring as far as narratives go, to just be given these changes without actually seeing then happen. So assuming he still is a pov i expect all the changes to be subtle and/or happen during the course of the actual story and be more of a cause of character writing than some in-universe explanation. In the actual plot GRRM might hand wave that Melisandre's magic is supercharged or whatever and Jon came back mostly the same.
>>24081081>is that it doesn't work on a reader's level if suddenly Jon is a completely different characterHe literally got stabbed to death by those he trusted, and then resurrected. If that's not a catalyst for a sudden and shocking change, then WTF would be?
>>24081092And that is fine but George doesn't do drastic character changes on povs. He even pussied out of the timeskip. He always easies the reader in and walks you through the whole process, again with subtlety. Moreover how would a half zombie pov even work?
>>24077543There’s both an ebook and audio version with the intermixed reading pattern.
>>24081197Not him but where can I find that?
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