What to read to gain a medieval mindset?
Nothing
My friend read Name of the Rose 15 times and shaved his head on the top and began wearing grey robes. Also became gay but that was due to other factors.
Bible and Valerius Maximus>Valerius Maximus was a Roman writer famous for his work about memorable deeds, sayings, and historical anecdotes.>Valerius’ work remained popular after the fall of the Roman Empire and was a bestseller throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance period His book and the Bible were the two most influential ancient books during these eras, and more manuscripts of them survive than of any other prose work.>These sacred and secular stories were recorded not to produce an accurate description of the past but to provide moral guidance and show people how to live their lives, and this is how they were read up until the Enlightenment. People read the Bible to provide themselves with spiritual guidance in their inner lives, and they read Valerius Maximus to provide themselves with practical guidance in their secular lives. Valerius showed them how they too could behave like Romans. As late as the seventeenth century, in the famous “Delphin” edition of Valerius Maximus, the editor urged the son of Louis XIV to read the work carefully because it would teach him how to become a great king.
>>24081519>Valerius MaximusWhy is he forgotten in our culture now?
>>24081536they compared his versions with all the previous originals and decided he was freestyling too much in favor of ancient roman "ideology". But If you don't want to read tons of herodotus etc. for these kind of highlights, and avoid (((modern))) anthologies, Valerius Maximus is still good.
Most of the nobility and the peasants and craftsmen were illiterate then, and rather than reading they watched things like cockfights and bear-baiting and listened to Troubadours sing about sexcapades
Learn Old Norse and read Old Norse literature
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There's way more to it than that. Develop an interest in Medieval artforms as well, such as heraldry and early European art
>>24081678based
>>24081367CS Lewis wrote a book on exactly that called The Discarded Image. Tom Shippey (Tolkien scholar) wrote a book on the Viking mindset called Laughing Shall I Die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoo70woydkc
A major part of the medieval mindset is fasting, monks would only eat one meal a day. Radical calorie restriction does change your thots.
>>24081379can't argue with that
>>24081958>monks would only eat one meal a dayProofs?
>>24082317Stephen De Young - Religion of the ApostlesThe Lord of Spirits podcast - https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits/David Chilton - Paradise Restored,The Days of VengeanceMore books (espespecially Jordan and Heiser, everything written by Heiser) - https://kabane52.tumblr.com/post/161584184310/books-for-learning-biblical-theology
>>24081367read The Discarded Image as an introduction to the medieval worldview, write down all books mentioned and go from there. Keep in mind that there's a reason the medieval worldview collapsed, that you'll have to find clever ways to reconcile that vision and what came after, and that the books themselves will likely not help you with that
>>24083536>the medieval worldview collapsedWhy...
>>24084136NTA, it's just scientifically wrong. CS Lewis says so in the book, but it's still poetically of interest.
>>24084147>scientifically wrongIt was supplanted by the scientific worldview, you mean.
>>24081603came here to post this
>>24082944The good ones would, anyway. Many if not most did everything they could to get around dietary restrictions.
>>24081367It was asked, in varying degrees, whether the Semitic nations originally had a clear idea of the afterlife. In no Aryan race is this doubt possible. Death was never for all but a narrow passage, to the truth, but insignificant, open to another world. They saw in it various destinies, which, moreover, were not determined by the merits of virtue or the punishment that vice should have received. The man of noble race, the true Arian arrived by the sheer power of his origin to all the honors of Walhalla, while the poor, the captives, the slaves, in a word, the mestizos and the beings of inferior birth, fell indiscriminately into the terrifying glacials of Niflheimz (2).This doctrine was obviously only valid during times when all glory, all power, all wealth was concentrated in the hands of the Aryans and when no Arian was poor at the same time as no mestizo was rich. But when the era of ethnic mixtures had completely disturbed this primitive simplicity of relations, and we lived, what would have been considered impossible in the past, people of noble extraction in misery and Slavs and Kymris and even Chuds, opulent Finns, the dogmas relating to future existence changed, and opinions were accepted more in line with the contemporary distribution of moral qualities among the individuals(1).
>>24081367Read Marc Bloch, Ernst Kantorowicz, Henri Pirenne, Otto Brunner. Then learn Latin and read the Vulgate. Then read Boethius' Consolation, Aquinas' Summa and Roger Bacon's Opus Majus in full. Also, optionally, learn Arabic and read al-Kindi, Alhazen, Averroes, al-Fārābī, and Avicenna. You can also learn Italian and read Dante and also the Heptameron, The Sworn Book of Honorius, the Picatrix, and the Ars Notoria if you're looking to get burned alive. Without languages you don't really get very far in that era.
>>24081386>Also became gay but that was due to other factorsHe was molested as a kid?
>>24084152They asserted that the world beyond the Moon was unchanging except in celestial mechanics, so of course the Supernova of 1572 came as a huge surprise
>>24081367The Qu’ran.
>>24081367The Conference of the Birds>>24081386How did he reconcile that?>>24081678This, look into gothic architecture>>24081958This. Also living without as many modern things and easy gratifications generally speaking helps with the same.
>>24084868No
Bump
>>24081386Keep your distance, because next year he may join ISIS like that catboy-cosplayer. Some people just fill the void inside with whatever they can get and it won't ever work.
>>24085444Well it seems to have worked for about a billion Muslims.
I read a lot of medieval texts and books about the Middle Ages last year. I really enjoyed the Archpoet and other Goliards, Helen Waddell wrote a good book about them called The Wandering Scholars. I don't really know what the hell "medieval mindset" is supposed to mean. Really depends on what you were, a dirt-poor serf, a shrew well-off farmer, monks, knights, nobility, troubadours, traveling entertainers, high clergy, they all had very different lives.
>>24081379/thread
>>24081603I thought this was more of like the dimming light of late antiquity rather than proper medieval. Still fantastic regardless. I read it every few years.
>>24087824>they all had very different livesThat's really what makes all other ages different from ours in essence.
>>24087500Most Muslims throughout history could not read.
>>24088116Nor could most Christians. Both would often hear the Bible and Qu’ran. Both during the middle ages had a ‘Medieval mindset’. Modern Muslims certainly do.
>>24088174>Modern Muslims certainly doWhat features of medieval mindset do you find in them?
>>24088210Their barbarity, ignorance, superstition, slavishness to religious dogma, endogamy (often incestuous), misogyny, tendency toward violence, inability to understand or accept criticism of their religion. I could go on, but you’re being deliberately contrarian.There is no critical edition yet of the Qu’ranic text. In 2025. Because of the fear of non-Islamic scholars of Islam of violence should they imply that the Qu’ran is not the uniform composition of a single instance of divinely inspired recitation. This tells you all you need to know.
>>24084779I only have English and I'd like to avoid translation
>>24088250A living religion does not produce "critical editions" of scripture.
>>24088253The Reformation began to do precisely that.
>>24088253Nta, but you’ve missed the point. It’s the reaction to the attempt to produce one by others.
>>24088250>There is no critical edition yet of the Qu’ranic text.There are critical full commentaries though. Check out Le Coran des historiens (anglos are too cucked to write such a thing so it had to be in French).
>>24088369Small and Sinai have both produced very similar works, in English. Also have you seen France’s demographics? If any western nation has been cucked by Islam, it’s France.
>>24081367Chaucer
>>24081379dang, it really be like that
A book I've been wanting is Gargantua and Pantagruel 1500's
Did knights know how to read?
>>24081379fpbpbut seriously,>>24081367ChestertonThe Ball and the CrossThe Return of Don QuixoteThe Ballad of the White Horsethose three especiallyI also recommend you read Orthodoxy and ManaliveOf those, only Return of Don Quixote is overtly medievalist, but Chesterton views everything with the bright eyes that invented buildings of stained glass
>>24089902>The Return of Don Quixotedid i have a strokei've read a ton of chesterton and almost all of his fictioni feel like this is the first time I've ever heard of this oneim so confused
>>24089902also this one touches on ithttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Alarms_and_Discursions/The_White_Horseswell
>>24089986It's not in print in a lot of places, but it's my favorite from Chesterton. It was his last novel, I believe, and it does an awesome job of situating the knight errant in modern times.
>>24089994yeah having an issue trying to find a not shitty printer copy of it, will probably end up getting the one from 1927 a first edition as the best deal lol
>>24089999nice quadsThis scan from internet archive isn't too bad. I got the Darwen Finlayson copy from 1963 with the Lynton Lamb dustjacket. I really like that reprint series, but it's hard to find them in good condition.https://ia800408.us.archive.org/33/items/returnofdonquixo0000unse_d4k9/returnofdonquixo0000unse_d4k9.pdf
What about the poetry of the troubadours and minnesingers?
>>24091150Song of Roland too, don't forget thatAlso Chaucer's Canterbury Tales"The giant laughter of Christian men That roars through a thousand tales, Where greed is an ape and pride is an ass, And Jack's away with his master's lass, And the miser is banged with all his brass, The farmer with all his flails; Tales that tumble and tales that trick, Yet end not all in scorning— Of kings and clowns in a merry plight, And the clock gone wrong and the world gone right, That the mummers sing upon Christmas night And Christmas Day in the morning."--Chesterton, Ballad of the White Horse
>>24081379fpbp
>>24090031ignatius press has it in hardback in a collected works it's just not on amazon or any used book sites https://ignatius.com/the-collected-works-of-g-k-chesterton-vol-8-88h/just found it cancelled my used copy order
>>24088250do you believe in anything as much as they believe in that book?
letters of Abelard and Heloisethe songs of troubadours and trouvères
>>24093962I don't see what that has to do with his point.
Also don't forget Arthurian legends and Grimm's fairy tales.Although written versions of those stories are not compiled until latter, they nonetheless tell what kinds of stories people were thinking about at that time that went on to inform the kind of people they were
>>24093962I believe wholeheartedly that you’re a moron.
>>24082317>Orthodox slopFiltered
Medieval Life: Manners, Customs & Dress During the Middle Ages by Paul LacroixLife in a Medieval Village, Life in a Medieval City, and maybe Life in a Medieval Castle by Joseph and Frances GiesNot as good as some of the other books mentioned here but still decent.
Before Church and State by Andrew Willard Jones
