Should struggling authors get free money?
>>24086189If the author believes that, then he should push for streaming subscriptions provided by workplaces over workplace provided healthcare.
Good dentists and good authors can both sell their work thoughbeit.
>>24086206I know you're joking, but it's shocking to me how many people waste their money for streaming services. It's like, do you know what year it is? You easily find that shit online for free.
Absolutely not. From an ethical perspective, no author should have the right to take advantage of resources from other people without those people's consent (because they are not willingly buying and reading their books). Moreover, from an artistic perspective, those subsidies would be against artistic freedom, since authors would be probably more willing to support the State, as they are living off its coercion. Such thing is already happening in Spain (my country) regarding the film industry, which is appallingly funded by the State and the directors have become statal bots who always support the party which benefits them the most. >but private publishers play the exact same role in the harm to artistic freedom. Maybe, but private publishers don't necessarily survive thanks to theft (they depend on purchases) and, furthermore, more than ever you can self-publish and be renowned thanks to the internet. And that's if we ignore that many authors from the past didn't become renowned and part of the canon until many years after their decease. Statal subsidies would be just yet another sewer where true genius dies.
>>24086230>take advantage of resources from other peopleAre you talking about money? lol
>>24086211what makes a good dentist? they all put mercury in your mouth
what about tiktokers most dont earn much
>>24086230Samefag. Writing is the cheapest artform to produce, which is liberating as it makes you more independent to the different possible funding sources there may be. Cinema needs a shit ton of money and, therefore, producers (whether private or public) can stick their nose into the project to make it financially viable or compatible with this or that political party. But at least in the first case, the producer funds the project upon his own risk, which makes absolutely legit the his intention to influence the project to make it viable. Anyway, let us preserve the privileged position of writing among the arts because of its lower costs and subsequent independence.
>>24086189how about unpublished authors? Do they get any support?
>>24086189Blow jobs
>>24086189Impoverished dentists should do it for love
>>24086212Most people are tech illiterate retards who don't even know how to install an ad blocker.
Dentists should major in something useful instead of oral medicine, get a day job to support themselves, and do dental work in their spare time until they have a big enough following to go full time.
>>24086212you're paying for convenience. a £14 monthly payment isn't a tough pill to swallow for most people.
>>24086328Dentists are all ready doing something useful which is why they don't need to beg for financial assistance to write young adult litrpg romantasies.
>>24086336>you're paying for convenienceYou can type in the name of the film you want to see plus the keywords "watch" , "movie", and "free" and find a site to stream it in less than a minute.
>>24086346Your head is somewhere near earth's inner core and I think the point is literally anywhere but where you are.
>>24086189I think (literary) prizes need to grant a lifelong pensions to their struggling winners.This way no one will have to sell their Nobel Prize to pay for their medical bills.
>>24086189Writing is a form of art. Art, at it's core, is about personal expression. A dentist is not an artist. Dental work is a craft, not an art form. If you make art for money, then you have no right to call yourself an artist. You are not an artist. You are a business man.
>>24086394No, I got the point, but it was a dumb one. Stop pretending your smooth-brained ideas are enlightened.
>>24086386you mean you search for 'sites to stream movies free reddit,' stumble upon a 9 month old thread where half the links are dead, then end up on a sketchy website with lots of popup ads (often requiring you to disable your adblock), only to watch a stream that may or may not buffer every 15 minutes. god forbid it's a foreign film - half sites will have out of sync subtitles. all because a mubi 7.99/month membership is too many eggs in one basket(!)
>>24086421I didn't make the point, I only reacted to your clear failure of getting the point. No one would reply the way you did had he in fact understood the previous poster's point.
>>24086421i think anon means his post was tongue-in-cheek and you replied to it literally. he already agreed with your response.
>>24086430>no you didn't get the point, I got the point, but you say it first because I want to make sure you know itAh, so you're trolling me. Very funny, good one, anon.
>>24086440Bruh, your response to a sarcastic post imitating typical cliché "arguments" about struggling authors was a genuinely serious one. You failed to get the point- THE JOKE -and now you're being autistic about it.
>>24086437Obviously the post was sarcastic. The other anon just got butthurt because I called his dumb joke dumb.
>>24086450Anon, why are you getting this worked up in defense of a bad joke that wasn't even yours to begin with?
>>24086464what's wrong with this guy
>>24086464>worked upNice logical fallacy
Getting paid for a service or thing will always hinge on that thing being in demand with other people. No market = no money, simple as that. If you want to make money as an author, write books that people will actually read i.e. genre fiction slop.
>>24086471>>24086474Does everyone on /lit/ get this butthurt on behalf of each other when their jokes fall flat or is it just you two?
>>24086211You got to the nearest available dentist when your tooth hurts, regardless of if he's good or bad, and pay whatever he asks, but writers only sell if they win the discovery lottery.
>>24086424>you mean you search for 'sites to stream movies free reddit,Sure reddit is a good shortcut.Enough of the links work and even for the non-functioning sites all hey did was update the domain extension.The buffering/subtitles problem is usually solved by having several backup sites to fall back on and switching among the servers .Incidentally typing in "Eyes Wide Shut watch free movie" brings up the internet archive as the first result.
>>24086189the solution here isn't to pay authors more, but to make being an author easier.If rent wasn't so fucking expensive and wages weren't so low, less writers would complain. If they could make a living working part time washing dishes and work on their magnum opus in their spare time we'd all be better off.It's why when the dole dried up all music started to suck and sound repetitive.
>>24086478Again, calling someone upset, butthurt or worked-up when in fact they're explaining your autism to you is a logical fallacy. You're not actually producing arguments. Generally speaking there is also no connection between calling someone out on acting stupid despite not initially being involved in whatever produced the witnessed stupid behaviour and "getting this butthurt on behalf of each other" Everything you're doing, quite literally, is producing logical fallacy after logical fallacy. Initially I was sort of ambivalent because it could be I misunderstood your reaction to the first sarcastic post but now I'm convinced that someone who produces one fallacy after another is more likely to simply not understand why the original post is a sarcastic spin on cliche.
>>24086485i think i've made my point that a subscription is more convenient. do you want to bring a girl back and tell her to hold on while you find a working mirror>internet archiveknown for its fast load times...
>>24086189NEETs should get free money
>>24086476I don't 100% agree.I have friends from Cuba, and alot of the art that gets produced their can be rather experimental, or by no means "popular," and instead its a group of curators who help decide what gets put on TV and in Cinemas, not the market.Commercials are also about public health, studying more, and of course, supporting the revolution.
>>24086496Nothing better than watching spergs bicker with each other while swearing they're actually disinterested.
>>24086403A nobel prize winner already gets a million dollars
>>24086507When you're pinching pennies this way is the more convenient one.
>>24086511I'm another anon. They are essentially buying their silence, because in such a regime they souldn't be talking about metaphors on the cyberfeminist abortion in late capitalism, but about the authoritarian regime itself. I don't care if they have freedom to be "experimental" when those experiments are inane and way too far from the critical edge needed in that country, it's just a way to have intellectuals happy and not subvert the government. A vulgar rap song straightly criticising the government is much more subversive in that country than any academicist pro-socialist babbling, but whooops, you end up in jail and maybe anyone who listens to your song in public.
>>24086394You got called out for posting something stupid. Now you're acting like you meant to have greentexted it the whole time. Fuck off. You got called out for being a retard. Own up to it.
>>24086189Yes.
>>24086409That is how starving artists cope. Michelangelo had a patron. The Sistine Chapel was not made for free.
>>24086610Publishing houses are patrons. But they are Jewish patrons. They don't expend resources to support your lifestyle. They very Jewishly pay you a paltry rate based on the proceeds of your book sales.
ITT: temporarily embarrassed Stephen Kings.
>>24086409Shakespeare had to sell tickets, Homer had to earn his slices of roast mutton and cup of honey-sweet wine.
>>24086189Free money doesn't work. People pursue leisure rather than honing their craft. I wish I remembered the name of the study so the source is trust me bro.
>>24086615This but with all sincerity
If my dentist does a bad job I can take him to court...
>>24086424Just torrent it you spaz.
>>24086615>ITT: temporarily embarrassed Kings.ftfy
>>24086717we were discussing convenience, and your solution is to: download a bittorrent client, get a VPN to get on a torrent index, find a torrent, and wait 15 minutes for it to download (much longer for more obscure films). unless you're really struggling or have unlimited free time, there comes a point when you need to put a cash value to your time.
>>24086189What a dumbass, my working class ass has already done that with unemployment benefits that I used to write a novel.Bro just want "writer" spelled on the gov cash handouts. Stop stroking your ego and learn how to use the system you absolute moron.
>>24086730Anon I stream even hard to find movies and tv show. Just takes me to click off the whore pop ups.
im not a whore.
>>24086855i never said it's impossible, i said you can't blame most sensible people for choosing the relatively tiny subscription fee.
>>24086189I tried saying that to a dentist, but couldn't find a single broke one because people are actually willing to pay for their useful services.
>>24086189>writing, a hobby that people do for fun that costs nothing>sticking your face in people's disgusting mouths and doing shit to them after wasting years and hundreds of thousands of dollars getting a piece of paper to be allowed to.These things are not the same
>>24086985staggering how many literal-minded people have somehow become attracted to the literature board of all places
>>24086610>>24086652Getting paid for your art and doing your 'art' just for payment are two different things
the absolute state of corporate propaganda. just put tubers on the payroll. no one reads lmao.
>>24086861I absolutely am. I'm only waiting on my chance to sell out as completely and shamelessly as I possibly can, ASAP
>>24086189In 2025 being able to make a living on being a writer is like winning the lottery.Also, everyone should get UBI, esp as AI takes over jobs and produces goods and services. Or kills us.
>>24086230Private publishers are exactly like the State anon, there's no difference. They need to enforce their power structure and position by creating as much revenue as possible with whatever mean possible - which means they'll get contracts with hundreds of thousands of dollars in anticipation to e-celebs to write and publish books that are total trash and are already market by authors who have a big following online. So as an author, either you appeal to what they ask (publish mainstream literature and sell it by yourself, possibly thanks to a significant social media presence) or they are not going to be interested in you.The relevant difference between private and the State is that you should (ideally) have some sort of grip on the State through voting and political action, in a democracy - which doesn't seem to be the case nowadays. A good environment for artistic development should promote quality over any other criterion, and this is simply not the case with private.
>>24086996What allegorical or metaphorical point is OPs quote trying to make then?
>>24086409>[writing] at its core is about personal expressionWriting at its core is about data storage if you wanted to get technical, but I'm assuming you meant authorship, which is an occupation.>If you [write] for money, then you have no right to call yourself an [author]. You are not an [author]. You are a business man.There's a skillset to have and an occupation to fill, it doesn't make you any less of an author to apply yourself to something bigger than yourself.>CraftIt's called a trade. An author should consider their work a trade. So should a dentist. There's an occupation to fill, a service to provide, and an exchange to be had. Da Vinci didn't just sporadically start painting the Mona Lisa like a schizophrenic or by some virtue of being a "true and pure artist", it was commissioned.
>>24086189Computers used to be people. We'll say the same about authors.
>>24086424I cannot comprehend being this cripplingly retarded.
>>24086189Absolutely, patronage is the way we got the best arts, not even just royals, but even a single bourgeois bookworm can fund the careers of great writers and benefit us all. Perhaps just the promising authors should get it however, if other arts can get funding, then i don't see why literature shouldn't
>>24088098Yes saar people being the computers saar
A writer that loves his work is very rarely a serial killer, but dentists who love their work sounds like a serial killerI want a dentist who does it for the money
>>24086189Dentists should do it for the love too.
>>24086189Dentists make money because people are willing to pay for it.Good authors make money because people are willing to pay for it.I could take a shit on a piece of paper and it would be better than what most "impoverished authors" put out.
>>24088166>Good authors make money because people are willing to pay for it.Not really. At the time of Charles Dickers maybe.
>>24086730You chose to engage in good faith for which I thank you, so I will do the same.Here is a clip I made of me torrenting the movie you were searching for in your gif. The entire process from opening the site to finishing the download took me around five minutes, which is an appropriate amount of time to go an make a drink and perhaps a snack for me and my wife before we sit down to watch the movie we have chosen. There will be no buffering because the file is local now, and if I want to watch it again I will not have to redownload it.The torrent client installation is an extremely minor one-time task. If you insist I will make a clip showing this too, but I'd rather not. Subscription services have their own minor one-time tasks too, like setting up accounts and payment details.Your point about a MUBI subscription being cheap and convenient is disingenuous, because if you want to match torrenting in terms of movie availability you will need several subcriptions. Please see my next post for an example of this. Eyes Wide Shut is not available on MUBI. You'll need an Amazon Prime or Netflix subscription to watch that. So that's more initial set up time for those accounts too, and more money spent than you indicated. You might include the time spent figuring out which streaming service has what you want to watch on it as well.I agree that you must place value on your time, but you overstate the time torrenting requires and understate the time and expense in streaming, and you'll note that the majority of the time I spent obtaining this movie (5 minutes or so) is passive time in which I am not required to do anything. My internet is not especially fast and this time can be much lower still.To access torrent indices you just need to change the DNS your browser uses. You don't need a VPN. It takes a couple of minutes at most and requires no technical knowledge.
>>24086730>>24088490https://mubi.com/en/gb/films/eyes-wide-shut
>noooo why wont society comodify art :((((((((((
Authors deserve sex assistance tooever
What is it with writers thinking they should get a free ride? It is the cheapest of the arts by far but also the art which seems to cry the most about money.
>>24088490effortpost (about ... torrenting a movie) + actual demonstration + video editing something tells me you do have plenty of free time. >inb4 detailed post (with visual evidence) explaining how dragging a screen capture into adobe premiere to clip and export only takes so-and-so minutes
>>24086849>What a dumbass, my working class ass has already done that with unemployment benefits that I used to write a novel.This used to be viable in the 00s, but only gets harder and harder these days. In my country, you're expected to be constantly looking for a job, and prove you're doing that, and if you still don't have work after 3 months, they'll start asking what the hell is wrong with you, and you have to go here and there to answer all sorts of surveys and health screenings, your benefits are lowered to near unsurvivable levels, and good luck trying to write with all that shit going on
>>24088714If you don't have the creativity to scam a bureaucracy you don't have the creativity to write anything of worth.
>>24088714UK?
Bad goy. Those debit notes are for wage slaving.
>be a publisher >publish your untalented friends and nephews >their books dont sell >publish a bunch of feminists and trannies >their books dont sell either >publish reimaginings of classics >those dont sell>but what about my struggling author nephew? Maybe publish books people want to buy.
>>24086189Poverty will improve your writing
writing novels had and will still remain to be an aristocrat culture. even today, most of the successful writers we have started as a NEET who were surviving with their rich daddy's credit card.
>>24088850not really
>>24088850Great number of writers whored themselves out to aristocrats to pay the bills.
>>24086259I can smell your breath across the internet.
>>24088870amalgam fillings are 50% mercury
>>24086424google bing and duckduckgo censor piracy related results. you should try yandex for that kind of query
Dentists rape you when you're sedated. This is why they so desperately want to pull your wisdom teeth.
>>24088699If I do, does that change how long it takes to torrent a movie? No it doesn't. It's just ad hom.
>>24086386Too many normies would accidentally expose their kids to jerkmate ads
>>24089672you're missing the broader context of the discussion. it doesn’t change how long torrenting takes, it underscores a key difference in priorities. for most people, convenience isn’t just about sitting on your hands while a download ticks along; it's about dodging faff altogether. the fact that you went and got the film then had the wherewithal to record and edit a demonstration speaks to the sort of engagement that most people can’t be bothered with when they just want to press play.
>>24089784Maybe I'm a loser with too much time on my hands, or whatever you're trying to imply here, but it isn't a valid point about torrenting because most torrent users would not make a video like I did and it's a separate thing to what we're talking about. You don't have a response to what I demonstrated so you're resorting to ad hom.
>>24089816i'm not implying you're a loser. it’s not ad hominem. what i’m getting at is that your perspective doesn’t square with the reality of most people, which goes a long way to explaining why you can’t see that torrenting isn’t the universally preferable solution you’re suggesting.
>>24086189>Should struggling authors get free money?They should get a day job and write as a hobby or side job if they can't support themselves with their writing alone. Plenty of successful and published authors also have day jobs for consistent income and proper benefits. Realistically, how many writers actually write or do writing related stuff 8 hours a day 5 days a week? Writing exquisitely lends it's self to being a side job.
>>24086189yes, the free market should be fucked with
I should get paid even though I don't write
>>24089907thisUnemployed people are told they shouldn't be paid. Try saying that to a dentist.
>>24089866If you can reply to what I actually said we have something to discuss, but there's nothing more to be said about the fact I took the time to show you what I'm talking about in a clear way.My perspective may well be different, but I don't think my perspective is really relevant to the pros and cons of torrenting and paying a streaming service themselves.
>>24086424>using google
>>24089944it’s the fundamental difference in how people approach convenience. no kind of leisure or entertainment is worth a single moment’s preparation. when set against the simplicity and peace of mind (and user-frendliness) offered by streaming services, torrenting starts to look unnecessary.
>>24086206Unironically though, we should force people to pay for art. Just like you are forced to put money into retirement, healthcare, unemployment insurance, we should have a thing where a % of your income is put in a holding account which you can only use to buy art, books, luxury cars, (not tv), designer clothes, etc. I am tired of bougie middle class faggots acting like they are modern day monks for never spending a dime and sticking all their earning in the stock market. Spend money on stuff that makes the world look nicer you fucks
>>24090132>stuff that makes the world look nicerand you express this sentiment ... with a pepe
>>24090163okay,I'll admit you got me there desu lol
>>24090132Actually a good idea desu. Put it towards funding local artists and beautifying cities and towns
>>24086189Should have majored in a non Art and gotten a minor. Or tried to get a job with their degree and write in their free time. Take time off between jobs and write. Write after work and on weekends. Write when taking vacation.
>>24090554>funding local artists and beautifying cities and townsLook at the murals in your average American city and tell me you think that's a good use of money
Yes give it to me.
>>24086189why not come up with new literary forms?why are we still stuck with the three flavors of novels, novellas, and short stories?on a completely unrelated side note, just want to say fuck you to the Publishers for stifling innovation in the industry. Way to keep books as an artform archaic....
>>24091249schizoedits of skibidi on tiktok
>>24086985>sticking your face in people's disgusting mouths And yet there are people who actively desire to be dentists
>>24091224Those murals aren't done by artists, they're done by (((charities))). I'm talking real local artisans, the sorts of people who can craft beautiful furniture or glass or stone.
>>24086189The "professional authors" in my home country (Finland) are currently crying about this same topic and making petitions and demands.>cultural elite>never protested things like the market destroying copyright legislation>mainstream and publicly funded media provides them massive amounts of domestic advertising compared to other forms of media>already massively benefitted by inflated library fees and government funding>the average established author manages to push out 200-300 pages of left-wing drivel every five years>absolutely zero internationally recognized books in decadesOh god, I hope the audiobook market and digital distribution turns their assholes inside out. Absolute vermins.
>>24086189What defines an author?P.S. your puerile auto-fiction that you dream of writing doesn't count, your life and (lack of) experiences are not new or interesting to anyone
>>24086189> Impoverished authors are toldAre they? Please post some proof of someone telling some 'impoverished' author to do it for 'the love', whatever that may be. Proof or it didn't happen. Protip: Gareth Rubin is a faggot.
>>24086189It would only go to non-whites and queers anyway, so no.
>>24091504Well, when you talk about city beautification and funds for such that's what you'll end up getting, and a city's only as beautiful as its people, otherwise you get something like Paris, with some nice layouts but overrun with people who have no business being in Europe.
>>24094467Brownoid infestation is another problem yes but it's not like we can only deal with one problem at a time.
