Is the thesis of the book correct? Do they exist as widespread as he says? Do you consider yourself to have a bullshit job?
1. no2. no3. never worked in my life
>>24092836based
How could I tell the author is jewish without even reading his name?
>>24092822Sons, earning your living in q work of manufacture is almost akin to a sin. Leave it to the bastard populations. [...] I am far, however, from treating with indifference what I call here 'question of form', and, just as I will never take as a type of social man the consummate industrialist, or the most skillful merchant in his part, and I will put above them, but certainly to a incomparable height, either the priest, or the warrior, the artist, the administrator, or what is today called the man of the world, and who was called in the time of Louis XIV the honest man; just as, likewise, I would always prefer, in the order of elite men, St. Bernard to Papin or Watt, Bossuet to Jacques Cœur, Louvois, Turenne, Arioste or Corneille to all financial illustrations, I do not call active civilization, first-order civilization, the one that is content to vegetate obscurely, giving its sectarians only satisfactions in the end too incomplete and too humble, confining their desires to a narrow sphere, and spinning in this spiral of limited improvements what China has brought to full completion. Then, as the Aryans, lovingly devoted to agriculture, regarded this employment of human activity for the noblest, the most worthy of the warrior and the man of high birth, nothing more easily comprehensible than they were reluctant to abandon the clay in order to devote themselves to a work of manufacture. This opinion, essentially related to race, was that of the Algerians of the Homeric period, the first Romans, the Germans and all the gentlemen of Western Europe up to yesterday, and the latter received a similar prejudice from their ancestors, themselves from the aryan strain, or proud to believe it and train on its models. Never, on the contrary, has such a concern existed in Semitic, Semitized or Romanized societies, nor, consequently, in the lower classes of modern societies, which have constantly endorsed, viewed favorably and with admiration all means of increasing wealth and well-being, without regarding in any way the respective moral value of these means. The most notorious industries that are demeaning for those who engage in them, the trades that are least able to raise human morale, all the ways of speculating on the passions, vices and weaknesses of the multitudes, have pleased the spirit of profit and the thirst for well-being and splendour of the bastardized populations.
>>240928221. Clearly, yes.2. How widespread? (I heard him speak about the book some years ago. As far as I can recall he didn't think it was that common, but that it exists at all is modern world cope. We do not need to be working this hard)3. I had an actual shit job. My sister has a bullshit job
>>24092864>How dare you question capitalism! You must be Jewish.>How dare you support capitalism with every fiber of your being! You must be Jewish.You're of Polish-Germanic decent, but I don't blame your heritage on your lazy mind. That's our fault.
>>24092874Graeber didn't oppose capitalism. This is a common trait among any anarchist - demagogic posturing (WE'RE THE 99%! KILL THE JEWS!) [this is what most anarchists actually believe] that camouflages their political impotency. How are any of his books against the c-word? They aren't.Read Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman instead. They actually know what they're talking about.
>>24092886Capitalism must be exterminated for the flourishing of the folk.
>>24092822I get to sit down a lot in my job. Other people just play on their phones when the store's empty. They say in summer it can go hours without a customer. $20/hr though, so I think it's pretty decent.
>>24092897That's not efficient anon. Those jobs have to go. Outdated. If small offices rely on them, away with the small offices too. Big corpo for everyone.
>no>no>job?
>>24092822Graeber somehow managed to write a book that is more pop and feels than malcolm gladwell
>>24092897that wouldn't count as a "bullshit job" according to the book. It has to be a job that has 0 value and you don't enjoy it. A not very busy store still has a purpose.
>>24092822He's got it all wrong, the jobs aren't the bullshit, it's excess biomass of useless people
>>24092822I don't have a job until next week
>>24092822Yeah what's the qrd?I don't have time to read it.Every place I've worked there was either happy cattle or fraternal butt sniffing cabalists of various level of hierarchy and retardedness. The whole shebang was always so toxic I just quit at some point. The valuable lesson to learn is to put away as much as you can and not live above means even if it means that 70 percent of your income goes to savings. BC believe me there's gonna be a day you'll walk the street with your naked ass and no one will give a shit about you if they can't leech off you. To exercise and eat healthy does not cost much, as well as keeping an old daily beater if you maintain it yourself. And never "invest" money into women. You'll get nothing for it. The best ones will pay you, and nothing of the value will be lost if you trash the rest.
>>2409282290 percent of jobs are bullshit jobs. without them no one would be employed
bullshit jobs are kind of required for people to make a living
>>24092822noit's retarded twitter labor theoryactual labor doesn't matteryou are being paid to be held liable for some work getting done (you don't have to be the one doing the work)
>>24092822Author and CEO jobs are in the book, right?
>>24092822Yeah, my work is bullshit
>>240928221. Yeah2. I dunno3. Unemployed
>>24092874He is Jewish though.
>>24092822In Debt he fails to understand why legal texts for judiciaries have exotic hypotheticals. That one paragraph was when I realized he has no idea what he is talking about. He constructs a very elaborate narrative, but if you are familiar with the parts, it starts to fall apart. Same with every other one of his books. Good reads though.
>>240936370 value to whom
>>24092918How do we pay corpos without jobs?
>>24092864>>24094726>He is Jewish though.so? Jews have the highest IQ out of any race, maybe we should listen to what (some) of them have to say.
>>24095916Yet the a high IQ jew and a high IQ gentile will have vastly different thought processes.Come to think of it, why do two 150 IQ individuals not have the same intellectual outlook? Should've they have rationally & logically arrived at the same conclusions (assuming the primacy of IQ)?Is it perhaps gestalt intellectual differences between groups? For example, the collective IQ intelligentsia of Whites and the intelligentsia of Jews will produce vastly different outlooks despite accounting for intellectual capital & capacity.You can see why people are sceptical of generic "High IQ" sources.Also, Hanlon's Razor is flawed as a heuristic: intelligent wicked people will use their intelligence to hide malice rather than admit guilt.
>>24095956>Also, Hanlon's Razor is flawed as a heuristic: intelligent wicked people will use their intelligence to hide malice rather than admit guilt.it's also why incompetence should be considered evil: particularly by high IQ people
>>24095961>it's also why incompetence should be considered evil:willful ignorance should be. everyone starts off as incompetent, only through learning and practice do we gain competence in something. that's why ignorance/aversion to learning is evil, because that is what keeps people incompetent.
>>24096089how does one prove willful ignorance/incompetence though inherently?or "Where does Free Will end and Determinism begin?"
>>24096134>how does one prove willful ignorance/incompetence though inherently?Do you mean ontologically? I'm not sure, but ignorance is evident as soon as a person opens their mouth.
>>24096182>Do you mean ontologically? I think it leads to the logical conclusion of the dual natures of mankind: both man and God.In a Theosis-sense.We are a hypostasis of Free-Will and the God's Will (Determinism)
>>24096202In otherwords, I'm saying it's up for those that know to have the will to judge.
>>24095749Everyone should be employed in a corpo and actually work efficiently. Away with the useless inefficient bullshit jobs. Stop working a useless bullshit job. Actually be productive you useless sloth. What do you want, to get paid for doing nothing? The more small business employing bullshit jobs get replaced by corpos the better. You will work all day for corpo and you will be happy.
>>240928221. yes2. yes3. no
>>24092822Oddly enough the most bullshit job I've ever had was an industrial one, the shop floors of which excreted a category of products (laminated MDF) so ugly to look at from the outset, and so badly made for the purpose that I still loathe the sight of anything made, even in part, of trash like that. From there it's a big step up even to working customer service lines of a big corporation that at least employs people who speak colloquial English with 1st World mastery. The least bullshit jobs are generally the least bullshit people, from bricklayers to honest auto mechanics who know their shit, to civil engineers, to dedicated STEM inventors like Shuji Nakamura. Even in advertising, where bullshit and bullshitters run amok, it depends on what you're selling, and private judgment about who you're working for, if you really have to work for a living. I haven't been particularly useful in the practical sense, and have spent more hours of my life loafing and reading and listening to music than most people ever will, but at least I'm basically honest in review.
>>24092836based neet
>>24092836How old are you? I'm 62 and didn't work 1983-1990 or 2015-present. In some ways I live a whole lot better now than I did when living at home as a young man, with my silly sisters and pets and such, with dear old dad footing the bills without much complaint, since he made 250K in today's terms in a high seniority corporate job that STEMfags of his generation sometimes occupied. I remember quizzing him when I was around 24, from a huge handbook about organic and inorganic pigments, and found that he was never wrong, not even in the slightest, a kind of a fun, easygoing showoff when it came to encyclopedic memory. i hadn't worked for 3 years, and we were still on speaking terms like that. He didn't always enjoy his work, by My God he enjoyed being tapped for answers that aren't so easy to frame.
>>24092886>Read Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman instead.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHANo no no no no. You didn't get how the greentext worked there. Fucking moron.>>24094726The POINT is that this is NOT germane to the discussion.
>>24092822Anybody who thinks there are no bullshit jobs is a moron, and they are definitely widespread. I mean shit, I was thinking of all the people who have pointless jobs at my work today. You really just have to get lucky and find one or stumble into one and you can coast doing two hours of work in an 8 hour day, usually by padding the amount of time it actually takes to do something. Managers don't know.
>>24092822Of course not, there may be jobs where you are able to coast along without putting too much effort or not get noticed for significant periods of time but that doesn’t mean the job is bullshit.
>>24097075>Of course not>Sue there are jobs like that, but I want one, so they aren't bullshitBravo. You cracked the code, you slick fuck.You should be forced to read the book now.
>>24092822Most of the book is just bitching about work in the modern world. He talks about how he doesn't like putting policy suggestions in his books, because he wants his books to be about the problems, but this just comes off as a slyly cynical "Everything sucks, amiright?"The anecdotes that he weaves through the book are from 250 self-selected people that reached out to him on Twitter to talk about their bullshit jobs, which is far from an unbiased sample, and I am not very sympathetic to most of them. One of his correspondents talked about how they couldn't quit, because they kept getting offered more money to stay. That's not what "couldn't" means.He talks about "the spiritual violence of modern work" and how we have been tricked into not having a good life. However, he characterized the good life as "arguing politics and gossiping in cafes", which is not as universal as he might think.
>>24096401Where are the Patels who run inexpensive motels?
>>24095916IQ is determined by socioeconomic factors, not race. Take that racist bullshit elsewhere.>inb4 le bell curveBeen refuted countless times.
