Tolkien knew what he was doing with Frodo (and Aragorn, and Sam). Herbert didn't know what he was doing with Paul.

> In a letter to his friend John Bush, Tolkien wrote, "I dislike Dune with some intensity, and in that unfortunate case it is much the best and fairest to another author to keep silent and refuse to comment".
Knowing Tolkien, he was probably triggered by Herbert playing fast and loose with Greek and Arabic allusions and also by the futuristic setting which seems to basically be what Saruman had planned for the Shire. He also hated allegory, and Dune is an allegory and a half.

Dune was on of those books that was just an absolutely brutal painful slog to read. Surprised anybody liked it desu. All I even remember was walking around and drinking your own recycled piss and talking about alien geopolitics I dont give a fuck about.

>>24093427
Tolkien manages to be a hypocrite in a single sentence, and deserves to be taken to task for it
If it is best and fairest to keep silent and refuse to comment, then he shouldn't express whether he liked it or not: by stating his disapproval and refusing to elaborate, he prevents us from knowing if his objections to it are reasonable, and further, invites speculation (which is not to say that yours is at all unreasonable)

Of course Tolkien of all people is going to dislike the book that says all religion is a psyop and that space-LSD makes you see past these lies but also come up with no actual answer.

>>24093427
My theory was that he didn't like the desert setting. He loves forests, and disliked Burrough's Pellucidar for its underground setting.
>Rateliff writes: “In a passage in Tolkien’s essay on Smith of Wootton Major he’s discussing works that place Faerie underground, as opposed to his own preference, which is to associate it with The Forest. In the course of his discussion, he alludes to such tales being “no more credible and no more interesting than Edgar Rice Burroughs [’] tales dealing with a vast subterranean world” (SWM, exp. ed., p. 86). The reference here is clearly to the Pellucidar series that began with At the Earth’s Core (1914), the first of six novels sharing the same setting: a Hollow Earth filled with dinosaurs, humans, and monsters of various kinds.”
However, I'm unsure about this because he liked The Death of Grass. I haven't read it, but it's apparently about the death of grass. Did the trees die too or not?
>Tolkien writes: ‘was greatly taken by the book that was (I believe) the runner-up when The L. R. was given the Fantasy Award Death of Grass’.
And he partly liked Land Under England which is about a subterranean world, but he doesn't specify what he exactly liked or disliked.
>Tolkien writes: ‘I am extremely fond of the genre, even having read ‘Land’ with some pleasure (though it was a weak example, and distasteful to me in many points).

>>24093504
It's a private letter.

>>24093568
Obviously, but that doesn't change anything other than the size of the audience
His friend was equally prevented from knowing if Tolkien's objections were reasonable, leaving only speculation about the matter

>>24093578
He's talking about making public comments.

>>24093590
I see no evidence that is the case, and his non-elaboration, given that he was asked for his opinion, suggests he is talking about both public and private comments

>>24093599
There is no evidence, yet we all know what he meant besides you, autist.

>>24093632
>we
>resorting to name-calling because you can't stand being wrong
have a nice day

>>24093355
I didn't really like Dune but the Lord of the Rings is the most overrated slop to be written, Harry Potter-tier shit, so the latter is obviously the worse one.

>>24093640
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>>24093504
You can tell this anon has never had any close friends because he can't possibly imagine the idea of a confidant.

>>24093355
Herbert. He died without finishing the series.

>>24093355
They both have better world building than prose.

>>24093355
whoever made those covers should be shot

>>24093355
Idealism versus materialism

>>24093578
Can you really not grasp the concept of "there are things I'd share with my friends that I wouldn't share with strangers"
Do you even have friends

>>24093355
>Who was wrong here?
tacogirl.jpeg

>>24094529
Your intimation that I don't is fatuous and stupid
Stop being a butthurt faggot please

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>>24094552
You idiots fight about anything.

>>24093427
>He also hated allegory, and Dune is an allegory and a half.
Lmao so is Tolkien's shit
>muh evil industrialization

>>24093456
I liked the first book when I read it a few years ago, but now that I'm reading Dune Messiah I'm not sure why I liked Herbert's writing at all. On the other hand, maybe Messiah really was that bad of a book.