What are good books for Zoroastrianism and Pre-Zoroastrian persian/iranian religion?I dont mind if its somewhat academic, but im also not an historian so i'd like for it to be somewhat accessible.
>copying my own comment from /his/Pic related is good. The Avesta is what you'd be looking for and I'll add another link, it's a great website for resources and gets into the details and history of all things Zoroastrian. I'll share the link that begins with the man himself, Zarathushtra.https://www.avesta.org/https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/zoroaster-index
>>24093587yeah that thread on /his/ inspired me to make this thread.Kind of amazing that there's so little attention to it, given how influential it was on all Abrahamic religions.
>>24093591It certainly doesn't help with the current relations between the west and middle-east. Anyways Mary Boyce is also a great resource and has written many books on the topic.
>>24093591isn't zoroastrians polytheistic, how influential is it really
>>24093757its dualistic, but only worships one god
>>24093595>It certainly doesn't help with the current relations between the west and middle-eastOnly a Jew talks like this. Completely glosses over all complexity such as how Gulf regimes are buddies with ZOG. Kourosh made a mistake freeing such vermin from Babylonian captivity.Iran is a threat to no one but Israel. Kys, Zogbot. Iran has been the number 1 stabilizing force in the region. Zoroastrians still persist in Yazd also.>>24093583Why bother? It was very low IQ just like Christcuckery and Pisslam. In fact, I would argue Zoroshits were more autistically brutal, especially during Sassanian era.Ancient Hellenic culture was more culturally impressive.Also, Hadrian did the right thing unlike Kourosh.
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>>24093765but there is more than 1 deity and he is supposed to be equally powerful to the god they worship. Pretty divergent to the main tenet of the Abrahamic faith of 1 almighty god.
>>24093779why would you be pro-Iranian unless you a mussie (shiavariety) that place is a third world shithole that blows up artifacts and seethes about israel all day while getting blown out.
>>24093786Zoroastrianism is pretty obviously polytheistic, what with the whole "multiple Gods" thing, and that's not including the parallel evil pantheon of antigods.
>>24093789>blows up artifactsPlenty of Pre-Islamic artifacts like Taqh-e bustan survive, ZOGbot. >why would you be pro-Iranian ISIS was literally created and bolstered by Mossad and CIA, and Iran fought it off.Iran has just as much cultural continuity to Sassanian pre-Islamic times than Europe does to pre-Christian times.I would love to do scaphism on you while reciting the Gathas. Kys and eat shit in hell. Kourosh's tomb should be decorated if you catch my drift. Kys.
>>24093802The only way your doing any of that is by opening up the country to the west, which means toppling the antiwestern government but doing so in a way that a more radical sect of retards doesn't overrun it into another shithole. So Either way the current regime has to go, so I still don't understand why your Pro-Iran
>>24093815There's nothing anti-western about IRI, retard. Dubai and KSA are ideologically more anti-western but they are allies of the "West" because they are largely passive markets.>Either way the current regime has to goKys, Jew. Kiurosh/Cyrus made a mistake freeing your kind. Israel has to go. A literal genocidal nation involved in shit like human trafficking, genocide, and more. A criminal syndicate.Don't think you can memoryhole shit like underground Jew tunnels in NYC.Jews are incarnations of Ahriman."To the Jew, everything human is a sham. One might even say that the Jewish face is nothing but a mask. The Jew is not a liar: he is the lie itself. From this vantage point, we can say that the Jew is not a man. … He lives the pseudo-life of a ghoul whose fortunes are linked to Yahweh-Moloch. He employs deception as the weapon with which he will exterminate mankind. The Jew is the very incarnation of the unearthly power of destruction."- Klages
>>24093815Once Israel is gone and the hunt begins, starting up the ovens, then I guarantee you Iran would be a close ally.In fact, guess what? Iran was very close to becoming allies during Clinton's presidency with Khatami.Guess who got in the way of that?JEWS ARE INCARNATIONS OF AHRIMAN.stfu before I revive scaphism for your ilk and decorate Kourosh's tomb. You have no qualia. You are just an agent of destruction driven by greed in a very blind automaton way.Flee to your underground blood libel chambers.
>>24093591Zoroastrianism is slightly schizo because the early sources simply do not survive. Earliest are cLate Sassanid period, like there is still a fuckhuge debate on WHEN and WHERE Zoroaster (if he did exit) was, ranging from near contemporary to Cyrus the great to prehistoric stone age steppe Eurasia (geography ranges from modern Azerbaijan to many parts of Modern Iran to ancient bactria and/or Sogdina to the BMC complex to the Oxus civilisation to central Eurasian steppe). Anyway the Wiley Blackwell companion to it (and publications by its editor Michael Stausberg) are a good place to start. Also the big fuck off 2 Volume companion to the Achamedian persian empire has some stuff on the religion. Boyce still has a yet unpublished book being worked on by a colleague too so if that ever gets released. The Classica et Orientalia (and Michael P Canepa who claims to have solved Avestan geography) series are also a place to investigate on a case by case basis or chapter by chapter basis.
>>24093779>Only a Jew talks like thisNah, I wish Iran threw off its Islamic yolk. I don't care for Judaism in of itself. I just like studying religions. But believe what you will
>>24093853Islam and Sassanian era Zoroastrianism are largely the same culturally speaking. Read a book, retard. Also, kys.>I just like studying religions.You can stop because you are a brainlet Zogbot who only cares about twisting facts to support political agendas.
>>24093863>largely the same culturally speaking. Read a book, retard. Also, kys.Yes, Persianate. As an American the only things Iran related you hear about are terrorists. So obviously the zogbots you refer to are those who keep it that way.
>>240938631. Sharia is based on brutal Vendidad laws.Look up Barashnûm and read significant portions of the Vendidad.2. Apostasy laws have precedence in Zoroastrianism.Read basic history on Sassanids. Encyclopedia Iranica is a good start.3. Praying five times a day has precedence in Zoroastrianism.4. Sassanids were a theocratic monarchism and persecuted non-Zoroastrian traditions.Read Kartir's inscriptions.5. Zoroastrians had rituals of rubbing cow urine on face (Gomez), executing people who bathe in rivers, seeing it as impure, or put fires out by throwing water on it, and would routinely massacre scorpions, frogs, etc.Iran being an ally of the ""West"" has nothing to do with its religion, especially considering Saudi Arabia and UAE (((America's))) ally. It has to do with competing economic interests or securement of trade or energy routes. Also, J*ws.
>>24093779>>24093863It's true. If you ask any American what they know about Iran, they will mention terrorism or whatever they've been fed. No thought of Zoroastrian exists here, besides pockets of communities. I do not understand why this makes you so upset
>>24093779>>24093802This poster reeks of Judaism
>>24093871>Zoroastrians had rituals of rubbing cow urine on face (Gomez)Yes "urine washing" was a practice; ammonia is a very disgusting natural disinfectant.
>>24093802>I would love to do scaphism on you while reciting the Gathas. Kys and eat shit in hell.This anon is a fat fat jew. How would you execute someone when you can't even talk to a girl
>>24093876Jews have disproportionate power in America, including its media, hence why it's called "ZOG". Yes, most Americans are brainwashed.Jews deliberately destabilize the ME in order to flood Europe for whatever demonic 4-D chess they have planned. It is out of control.You can fill textbooks of the deviousness of Jews from backing Mao to blood libel.Iran is presently on the Jewdar, so that's largely the reason why it's vilified.>I do not understand why this makes you so upsetDoesn't make me upset. What makes me upset is *you* peddling Jew lies *here*, hence why I expose it to some extent.Iran is not anti-western. It's anti-ZOG. Khatami was close to improving relations until Jews got in the way.
>>24093880>>24093891A Jew would never defend the IRI.I am saying, compared to its neighbors, IRI was the number 1 stabilizing force.Now that Assad is gone, things will get only worse.90% of it is the fault of Jews.
>>24093892I do agree with you btw. I don't understand how you could misinterpret my original comment.>It certainly doesn't help with the current relations between the west and middle-eastI never specified it being Iran's fault or that they are anti-western. I just said that there are tensions between the west and middle-east and you went on some raged filled tangent. The truth is, when Americans think of IRAN, they think terrorist. Obviously this is done on purpose thanks to the elite in America and Israel. Don't get to angry with me, when that's literally what Americans are taught, instinctively.
>>24093911>>24093911>there are tensions between the west and middle-eastNo. Again, the Gulf regimes like KSA are *your* (((allies))). Dubai has *a lot* of Western contractors. The only tensions were with Assad/Iran. >The truth is, when Americans think of IRAN, they think terrorist. Obviously this is done on purpose thanks to the elite in America and Israel.Don't care. I see it as more beneficial to be viewed negatively than positively, but of course being viewed with indifference or not known is the best.>Don't get to angry with me, when that's literally what Americans are taught, instinctively.Just like Ancient Iranians, idgaf what Aneran thinks of Iran, and fyi, the country has been called Iran since the Sassanian empire.Ancient Iran is not culturally interesting. Direct your attention elsewhere and fuck off, ZOGbot.
>>24093920You clearly have the spirit of a woman to spring into such anger and contempt.
>>24093920>Ancient Iran is not culturally interestingYeah it is
>>24093786Not really since most abrahamics do not actually believe in a truly omnipotent god
>>24093827When you die. You will suffer eternally in infinite increments
Ancient Iranians were Germanic
>>24093827Are you talking about Mohammad Mosaddegh?
>>24093924You are a lying and deceiving Jew. It is undeniable that Otto Weninger described your feminine kind well. You're projecting your inborn femininity onto me. You were spreading anti-Iranian propaganda claiming IRI is a shithole and anti-western when in reality the main reason it's on bad terms is because of Jews/ZOG. Iran's economy is dying purely because of Israel because Jews and shabbos goy control IMF and world bank. Iran has been a stabilizing force in the region, fighting off ISIS and spread of Wahhabism. Iran is a sovereign nation that is unjustly vilified.Women are incapable of true anger and contempt. When I am angry and spiteful, images like scenes from The House that Jack Built and Maldoror come into my mind. Most women lack such a macabre imagination. Kys.If you want a taste of Pre-Islamic Zoroastrian hospitality, I recommend reading about Shapur's gardens of heads, Jew.Iran has an overrated cultural legacy, both pre and post Islamic. Freeing Jews was one of the biggest mistakes in all of history second to industrialization. Jews behave like parasites wherever they go.I am tired of being scapegoated for the destruction wrought by Jews. Whenever they do something bad, it is quickly memoryholed like underground tunnels in NYC. An Iranian making one hiccup would have media repeat it for months or years.
>>24093938>claiming IRI is a shithole and anti-westernWhere? Please point this out, I said no such thing.
>>24093931Kys, Jew. >>24093927It's not. They were even more "barbaric" than the IRI. The Vendidad is ridiculous.
>>24093938>>24093940I agree with you lol. Are you on drugs
>>24093940Here are some quotes:>"that place is a third world shithole that blows up artifacts and seethes about israel all day while getting blown out.">toppling the antiwestern government
>>24093949Wasn't meThese are>>24093587>>24093595>>24093853>>24093911
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>>24093954I see. Well, I'm not angry towards you then.However, let me make it clear, all theism and Messianism is philosophically indefensible. Zoroastrianism was a retarded superstitious tradition like Abrahamism. I recommend this book instead of far right LARP fantasies.Zoroastrianism is not intellectually rich the way ancient Greek philosophy was. I don't like mixing geopolitics with metaphysical discourse. However, with the chud brigade on Tw*tter and this cesspool of useless degenerates, you frequently see the two conflated.The ancient Greeks and (to a lesser extent) Greco-Bactrian kingdoms had a universality and honesty the Iranians lacked.The culture does not impress me much when I view things impartially outside of attachments.
>>24093969Thank you for the book suggestion. And I apologize for the confusion. Surely there is some good merit in the ideas of Zarathushtra, especially the core idea of good thought, good word, and good deed. If only Alexander had lived longer to develop his empire and we could've seen more Greco-Persian fusion. Do you think it's possible that Zarathushtra's teachings were tainted along the way, perhaps by clergymen who added elaborate and unnecessary rituals, reminiscent of the Indian faith that Zarathushtra was trying to reform?
>>24093938>, I recommend reading about Shapur's gardens of heads,This sounds kino, where can I read about this?
>>24093765>but only worships one godNot true. There are lesser gods in Zoroastrianism called Yazatas who are also worshipped. The idea that Zoroastrianism only worships one god was developed after the dominance of Islam in Iran to present a more acceptable view of Zoroastrianism to the Muslim majority.
>>24093863>>24093827>>24093821>>24093802>>24093779Israel living rent free in the old noggin. Hezbollah, Houthis and Hamas absolutely btfo. Iran btfo. Overwhelming Israeli victory.
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This thread is a trainwreck, let's get it back on course.>Primary sources and folk talesThe AvestaThe BundahisnThe Shahnameh (get the unabridged translation)The conference of the birdsSamak the AyyarThe Nart SagasThe Khamsa of Nizami>secondary literatureZaehner - The teachings of the Magi: a compendium of zoroastrian beliefsCrone - The Nativist prophets of early islamic Iran, rural revolt, and local zoroastrianismUlansey - The origins of the mithraic mysteriesBurgel and van Ruymbeke - A key to the treasure of Hakimvan Zutphen - Faramarz, the Sistani Hero Texts, and the traditions of the Faramarzname and the Persian Epic CycleFoltz - Religions of Iran from prehistory to the presentFoltz - Religions of the silk roadGazerani - The sistani cycle of epics and Iran's national history>general history to use as a companionKuzmina and Mallroy - The origins of the indo-iraniansBeckwith - The Scythian empireEllerbrock - The ParthiansPourshariati - Decline and fall of the Sasanian EmpireThe Cambridge History of Iran
>>24094791thanks senpai
>>24093583bump
>>24094750>Israel living rent freeAlmost every "conspiracy" about Jews has turned out to be undeniably true: from blood libel, human & child trafficking, underground tunnels, flooding Europe, Central banking, etc. There's nothing "rent free" about hating Jews. Kys.
