A century from now, this will be the accepted opinion among literati. There is nothing Lovecraft does which R.L. Stine does not do much better. Lovecraft was a turgid and clumsy prose writer. Stine's prose is smooth and punchy. Stine's imaginative universe (Slappy the evil dummy, Monster Blood, The Haunted Mask, HorrorLand, not to mention series such as Fear Street) easily surpasses the lame Cthluhu mythos. Lovecraft is mostly known for his dull tentacle monsters (which other writers/artists did far more interesting things with). Stine has a whole pantheon of monsters to offer. As more children who grew up with Stine come of age and create works inspired by him, you can bet that Stine will receive the veneration he is due.
The Cthulhu mythos is interesting conceptually and for what others do with it, not necessarily what Lovecraft did. Sort of like Batman and Joker
>>24102091Agreed. That's what OP said.
>>24102046Lovecraft has better prose and aesthetics, simple asHis works also pack way more bulk and leverage to them because you can snip out packets of deep seeded meaning on how we deny the inherently supernatural and unexplained nature of the universe.
>>24102338>Lovecraft has better prose and aestheticsFalse. Lovecraft's prose is terrible. He was not considered a great or even good writer in his own day either.
>>24102046Unfortunately RL Stine used ghost writers not long after goosebumps started taking off so its a moot point
>>24102046You mean the nigger that wrote Goosebumps???
>>24102453He only used ghost writers for the spinoff series.
>(((stine)))He looks way too semitic for my taste
>>24102606Jews are often the best writers of the last two centuries.
>>24102046R.L. Stine vs Stephen King????
>>24102046>R. U. Slime
>>24102608Retarded
>>24102046what's his cat's name?
>>24102747WigNat cope. Jews are very talented at writing and the arts in general.
>>24102608Blind supremacism. They're uniquely bad. Milquetoast even. Ayn Rand is an overblown child and Kafka is playing at a conception that all of his peers beat him at.
CAS mogs them both
>>24102598He wrote about 17 books and at that point he began using ghost writers. He wrote an amazing 17 books, but once you start using ghost writers or its modern equivalent in AI you're no longer a real writer. The water is tainted
>>24102850>He wrote an amazing 17 booksHIs ghosties were equally as bad. Funnily I remember when he lied about not using them and NOBODY bought it.
>>24102819Not a statement on race or ethnicity or what have you but what I find so funny about Rand is that she only remains relevant because of “charities” that literally PAY PEOPLE TO READ HER SHIT. My high school got a scholarship grant of 5k to give to a student who wrote the best essay on The Fountainhead, and even today I got an ad telling me I could get a free copy of Atlas Shrugged and get a gift card for writing a review. I guess it’s on-brand to prostitute the work so heavily to the market forces of the day.
>>24102819Ayn Rand sucks because she wrote juvenile right-wing power fantasies, not because she's Jewish.
>>24102876>I find so funny about Rand is that she only remains relevant because of “charities” that literally PAY PEOPLE TO READ HER SHIT. My high school got a scholarship grant of 5k to give to a student who wrote the best essay on The Fountainhead, and even today I got an ad telling me I could get a free copy of Atlas Shrugged and get a gift card for writing a reviewHoly fuccaroni
>>24102897I wish I had taken a photo of it because it was absurd. I was tempted to write the essay way back in high school but figured it wasn’t worth selling myself out even back then. I think the only book by her I even halfway like is Anthem because it’s mercifully short and the setting is at least somewhat amusing.
>>24102910>I think the only book by her I even halfway like is Anthem because it’s mercifully short and the setting is at least somewhat amusing.Agree, but I thought the conclusion was stupid. Like, people had numbers instead of names but if that were the case then numbers would be important I think, they'd have been humanized I think.
>>24102046Lovecraft sucked, but he DID get better. The stuff from the end of his career (life) showed genuine improvement.
>>24102428>t. picked up a lovecraft anthology and tried to read it chronologicallyLovecraft's prose being bad is a meme at this point, especially when compared to genre-fiction authors.>Over the bog was a deluge of flaring light, scarlet and sinister, and pouring from the strange olden ruin on the far islet. The aspect of that ruin I cannot describe—I must have been mad, for it seemed to rise majestic and undecayed, splendid and column-cinctured, the flame-reflecting marble of its entablature piercing the sky like the apex of a temple on a mountain-top. Flutes shrieked and drums began to beat, and as I watched in awe and terror I thought I saw dark saltant forms silhouetted grotesquely against the vision of marble and effulgence. The effect was titanic—altogether unthinkable—and I might have stared indefinitely had not the sound of the piping seemed to grow stronger at my left. Trembling with a terror oddly mixed with ecstasy I crossed the circular room to the north window from which I could see the village and the plain at the edge of the bog. There my eyes dilated again with a wild wonder as great as if I had not just turned from a scene beyond the pale of Nature, for on the ghastly red-litten plain was moving a procession of beings in such a manner as none ever saw before save in nightmares.>Verses and tales alike sustain the burthen of cosmic panic. The raven whose noisome beak pierces the heart, the ghouls that toll iron bells in pestilential steeples, the vault of Ulalume in the black October night, the shocking spires and domes under the sea, the “wild, weird clime that lieth, sublime, out of Space—out of Time”—all these things and more leer at us amidst maniacal rattlings in the seething nightmare of the poetry. And in the prose there yawn open for us the very jaws of the pit— inconceivable abnormalities slyly hinted into a horrible half-knowledge by words whose innocence we scarcely doubt till the cracked tension of the speaker’s hollow voice bids us fear their nameless implications; daemoniac patterns and presences slumbering noxiously till waked for one phobic instant into a shrieking revelation that cackles itself to sudden madness or explodes in memorable and cataclysmic echoes. A Witches’ Sabbath of horror flinging off decorous robes is flashed before us—a sight the more monstrous because of the scientific skill with which every particular is marshalled and brought into an easy apparent relation to the known gruesomeness of material life
>>24102046I enjoy them both.
>>24102655That is a much more reasonable comparison>>24102046>Incapable of writing death>Everything ends up either well or well with a but>Adults mostly ignored or ignorant>All children characters are the same>Good for anyone older than 12Look, I remember when I was a kid and loved reading Goosebumps, I still have a box full of them, but there is a reason I don't read them anymore and that they cannot scare me as an adult. They aim for the sort of fear that can do its work on the mind of a child who knows so little of the world. They are written in a simple, almost procedural way, only the subject of the fear keeps changing. As you grow, their rereading value decreases. Lovecraft does not aim for that sort of low grade fear. His works put you in a position, if you humor Lovecraft's imaginative view of cosmology, of powerlessness in front of a cruel, indifferent and infinitely vast cosmos. It is a change of perspective that lasts beyond the turn of a page and though it might not make you jump the way the goosebumps books did, it will definitely make you think.Now I don't suggest that Lovecraft is a writer of miracles whose prose will cure the blind and the paralyzed, but he is no doubt far above Stine in anything and everything that concerns horror books except production numbers.I doubt you have read any of Lovecraft's books in recent times (or ever) or any of Stine's books and I think that your opinion is either entirely based on nostalgic recollection and a wish to see your anonymous youth glorified or a ploy to make me angry. Whichever way it was, you are a faggot anon and I hope you go fuck yourself
>>24103103Wait, is this supposed to be good? This is overwritten sophomoric garbage.
>>24103196Cats are absolutely retarded animals, btw
>>24103103This sucks!
>>24103103His writing contains way too many superfluous adjectives and adverbs, e.g.>inconceivable abnormalities slyly hinted into a horrible half-knowledge by words whose innocence we scarcely doubt till the cracked tension of the speaker’s hollow voice bids us fear their nameless implications; daemoniac patterns and presences slumbering noxiously till waked for one phobic instant into a shrieking revelation that cackles itself to sudden madness or explodes in memorable and cataclysmic echoes
>>24103196Is this Zio HP Lovecraft or whatever his name is from Twitter?
>>24102428This is just a pure pro semitic post. With honest judges rl stine can't compare.
>>24103692Many people in this thread have pointed out why Lovecraft's prose is terrible
>>24102046>Spooky book writer>Named Stine.
>>24102046R.L. Stine is a volume author, he's basically the Danielle Steel of watered down horror novels.
>>2410204610-year-old hands wrote this post.
>>24103736I think you meant to respond to this post: >>24103103
>>24103708Sounds scary to me
>>24102046>uses ghostwriters>"""superior author"""
>>24103818Never been proven he uses ghost writers for anything but the spinoff books
>>24103111based fence-sitter
>>24102925>Lovecraft sucked, but he DID get better. The stuff from the end of his career (life) showed genuine improvement.That's because he became a liberal.>As for the Republicans—how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.">"I used to be a hide-bound Tory simply for traditional and antiquarian reasons — and because I had never done any real thinking on civics and industry and the future. The depression — and its concomitant publicisation of industrial, financial, and governmental problems — jolted me out of my lethargy and led me to reëxamine the facts of history in the light unsentimental scientific analysis; and it was not long before I realized what an ass I had been. The liberals at whom I used to laugh were the ones who were right — for they were living in the present while I had been living in the past. They had been using science while I had been using romantic antiquarianism."
>>24105076That is a paragraph-tier run-on sentence.
>>24102046Stine is the biggest hack to ever do it. Even Christopher Pike is a better writer than Stine.
>>24105203That's how Lovecraft always writes. See here: >>24103103Just admit you think he sucks at writing.
>>24103103God, this is so good. Incredible how all the kikelovers and kikecockriders and niggercattle on the thread are throwing shit because their idol that used God writers couldn't never write like this.
>>24105674Lovecraft had a Jewish wife and came to believe conservatives are retarded >>24105076
>>24105684Cool, still won't read your kike faggot who used ghost writers.
>>24105748Why are you so envious of Jews and their talents?
>>24102046The illustrator made the Goosebumps books what they are. The stories are nothing special, even for children’s literature
>>24102819The greatest writers of the past century have been Jewish.
>>24103196why are you seething over RL Stine? he's not even that bad if you actually read some of his books. it's like all you Lovecraft fans on this board are like this all the time
>>24102046Goosebumps TV show was kino
>>24102046>Steal someone else's original idea>Refine it and take credit for it>Try to erase the original from historyTypical Jewish behavior. Einstein did the same thing.>>24102105That's not at all what OP said.
>>24102338This anon gets it.
>>24107687>Typical Jewish behavior. Einstein did the same thing.Einstein was a world-historical genius and that fact still makes WigNats seethe.
>>24102338>the universe is so mysterious and indifferent to our suffering!Wow, so deep. Give me Monster Blood any day.
can you provide examples of the prose of each writer please
>>24103543there's nothing wrong with this
>>24102046I never really read Goosebumps. Instead I tried the "American Chillers" series and found that I didn't care for the horror genre. Even when I got older Stephen King's novels didn't interest me all that much. I haven't read any Lovecraft yet, I do like Edgar Allen Poe, but it's not something I go out of my way to read.Also, anytime I'm in a waiting room and wheel of fortune is playing I always think of R.L Stine
>>24102046why is he so smug in that photo? what does he know?
>>24106348Let me guess: Some weak dysgenic jew told you that's the case, right?
>>24102046I remember he gave a talk at my elementary school. All I remember is that he recalled sitting in his attic writing while other kids went out and played, like a proto-basement dweller. Sad to think if 4chan or incel shit was around in his day he would've turned out like us.Oh also his fingers were all fucked up from only using his index fingers to type on the keyboard
>>24108211ProustPasternakFeuchtwangerFreudKafkaFranklBellowSalingerAsimovGertrude SteinBernaysPhilip RothHellerMillerMalamudZweig...What the fuck other group can compare?
>>24107693that was Newton
>>24102046
>>24108239>Sad to think if 4chan or incel shit was around in his day he would've turned out like us.No one wants to say it, but this along with social media addiction is the real reason the arts and culture have declined. It's not wokeness. It's not leftist cultural hegemony, which has existed for a long time. It's all the distractions that kids have these days.
>>24108308You forgotFranz WerfelIsaac Bashevis SingerJoseph BrodskyPaul CelanAlfred DöblinMax JacobArthur SchnitzlerNeil Gaiman
>>24108308>>24108715any good authors though?
>>24108743All of those authors are great. You should read their books sometime.
RL Stine is a shitty writer. >2/3 of his books are waiting for the horror to actually start (ie: a window suddenly slammed shut! It was the wind. A photo of skeletons barbecuing came out of the camera! It was a dream. I suddenly went blind! It was a cat falling on my head.) >his plots and titles are plagiarized from old B movies >shitty twist endings (Slappy wasn't alive! It was the other dummy!)
How hard do Stine's Rs are pronounced?
>>24108953>>shitty twist endings (Slappy wasn't alive! It was the other dummy!)Slappy was alive. He just wasn't the main antagonist in the first book.
>>24108953>A photo of skeletons barbecuing came out of the camera! It was a dreamThat scene was inserted because it was already on the cover and the publishers demanded it be included in the story which was already written.
>>24108459this
Didn't R.L. Stein get caught using ghostwriters? There was something about him fighting with his publisher because Goosebumps became huge (mostly because of Scholastic being smart and using school book fairs as a marketing tool) and he wanted a bigger cut than he was getting. Anyway, there was something in his contract that only he was allowed to write books branded as Goosebumps and it came out in litigation he himself had violated that by using ghostwriters or something.
>>24109324>R.L. Stein get caught using ghostwriters?No, he only used ghostwriters for the spinoffs, not for the main series.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtaQlJKk8Y
If Goosebumps existed today it would 100% be written by AI.
>>24102887Yeah but juvenile right wing power fantasies are great.
>>24109533No, they're the product of an infantile mind
>>24108444based
>>24103222>>24103356Far better than the robotic and stilted prose modern writers have, let's be fair. Lovecraft's writing is that of indulgence and constant emotionality without caring for the reader's experience or opinion on it, he does not give a fuck if you find it purple prosey or needlessly long because he wanted to write like that, this is passion. In this sense he has far more in common with the 19th century ultraromantics than any of his contemporaries in pulp.
>>24103822>Never been proven he uses ghost writers for anything except for the books he uses ghost writers forWhat an insightful statement.
Is there some kind of rule that you have to use the word "turgid" when criticizing prose? Every journalist and wannabe critic reaches for that word when they want to smear a writer they don't like.
why the FUCK are we talking about R.L.Stine on /lit/
>>24111852Times have really changed unfortunately
Maybe I wouldn't even disagree, but Lovecraft created a whole aesthetic and genre of his own, while RL Stein gave us "Say Cheese and Die".
>>24108941I read them. They‘re mid at best and several entries in the list are torturous.
>>24102046>>24108444Most Jewish face I’ve ever seen
jews can’t really write
>>24111286>lovecraft is just the melville of early american horror/sci-fiit all makes sense now.
>>24102338>Lovecraft has better proseKek, nice joke anon.
>>24112904If you say that as if it's a bad thing you're part of the problem and definitly don't hold any artistic insight worth of even a tiny speck of anyone's time
>>24102046They are both shit. Recycling ad Infinitum the same 4 or 5 ideas to produce slop for the masses. At least King tells about some rape and underage gangbang.
>>24108459>No one wants to say it, but this along with social media addiction is the real reason the arts and culture have declinedNo it's not. Democratization is the reason, retard.
>>24106348/mlp/ greentext authors aren't Jewish, though.
>>24117210America has had a very broad suffrage compared since Andrew Jackson.
that face is crazy. wonder if there's a name for the type
>>24118038People with that phenotype tend to be the greatest writers, intellects, and comedians
>>24102046When you see "Reader Beware...You're in for a Scare" on the back cover of a book, you know you're in good hands
>>24118123That must be why we‘re in the midst of such a cultural renaissance
Goosebumps awakened a lot of fetishes in me I wish I didn't have. Usually TF related stuff.
>>24102046Name another living writer with this level of aura:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-72jXOBGWg
>>24109324He was publishing like ten books a year literally and pulling in $40 million a year.
>>24119419Pencil-necked geek Lovecraft could never
>>24102549We calling jews niggers now?
>>24119680The real RL Stine was a black man named Ramses Ladarius Stine whose work was STOLEN by the yt jew phony
>>24109380>NoIt literally confirms Stein used ghostwriters in the video you posted. He only wrote the first 16 books and just wrote outlines for the rest.>>24119437>like ten books a yearClaimed to have been writing 24 without ghostwriters, lol.
