why did he hate dune?
>>24109131Because he was jealous of a similarly massively influential work
I hate threads that are a Google search for the attention hungry. I guess I'll steal the thread. I came across this great website by a man who reviews adventure books from the 19th and 20th centuries. It's a fun pair, and he clearly puts a lot of work into it. When it comes to literature, anons, which book has the adventure that hooked you the most? Treasure Island might be my choice.
Dune is badly written...
>>24109170ur badly written
>>24109131He knew it was overrated as hell, the prose is awful and most of the book is Frank Herbert stealing from Arabic culture and creating the most disgusting depictions of homosexuals imaginable and that Frank Herbert refused to visit his son who was dying from aids. Frank Herbert is just the GRR Martin of his day.
>>24109151>>24109170>>24109182People who take this level of bait should be permabanned
>>24109193People who take this level of bait should be permabanned
>>24109131Dune? More like Goon.
>>24109197Goon Messiah
>>24109211KEK!
>>24109197>>24109211Fuck. I'm going to think of this every time now.
>>24109211>>24109214>>24109222What happened to this board?
>>24109222>>24109224Children of Goon
If I was a janny, I'd ban every single post that wasn't an effort post.
>>24109131Tolkien was severely autistic, so he probably disagreed with fremen linguistic
>>24109227I'm glad someone as severely retarded as you isn't a janny
>>24109227*Were not an effortpost Hypothetical, subjunctive mood
>>24109283This is so beautiful
>>24109283based
>>24109227Chapterhouse: Goon
>>24109288Coomers of Goon
>>24109283
>>24109211Children of GoonGod Emperor of GoonHeretics of GoonChapterhouse GoonDavid Lynch's Goon
>>24109296Hererizz of Goon
>>24109211Gyatt Emperor of Goon
>>24109131>why did he hate dune?Because it wasn't the conservative christian allegory he would had adored.
>>24109419Yeah Dune is anti-religious simple as
>>24109170>>24109182Frank Herbert is a better writer than Tolkien. Tolkien is horrible at prose.
>>24109224zoomers
>>24109487Herbert as a writer is pretty bad at everything except worldbuild (and Tolkien was still superior at that), he was especially bad at writing dialogue, all his characters act like weird robots
>>24109224tiktok and gen z
>>24109507I think that Herbert is a more evocative and poetic writer than Tolkien. I find the way he describes Arrakis to often be beautiful. Tolkien doesnt really have this, his physical descriptions of the land are often boring and plodding imo. But Herbert's descriptions of the dunes, spice, the moons of Arrakis, the caverns, are very vivid and really leave an impression. Tolkien may be better at worldbuilding I suppose, but Herbert is better at world description.
>>24109764Based. His prose is beautiful, redditors just like to parrot that it's 'unreadable' because it's a criticism they read somewhere
>>24109270You corrected the wrong was
>>24109131He couldn’t predict the future.
>>24109155Give link please. Karl May books are pretty fun if a bit naive at times. Hitler as a huge fun which is pretty ironic since the books preaches about tolerance and forgiveness at every chance it can get.
>>24110496Hilobrow
>>24109175blame the writer (God) not the character (me)
>>24109193Eventually they will be secluded to mirror-chan which is what the bots are being trained for.
>>24109487>Tolkien is horrible at prose.I do remember that it was a rare line that actually stuck out to me as all that appealing as prose in LotR, though I feel like I remember the Silmarilion being better in that front.>>24109507>all his characters act like weird robotsCorrectly if Im wrong, (havent read dune, though I like what ives absorbed by osmosis) but arent most of the characters like posthuman ultra-Adderallists? Shouldnt they be pretty weird?I bring it up without reading cause A series I do like that has weird fucking characters who talk weirdly (could even say like robots) it Jack Vance's Dieing earth. A lot of the characters talk like a weird mixture of physicists, medieval serfs, and victorian gentleman all at once and I think its pretty dang kino for this world at the edge of time.
>>2410913195 iq prose
>>24110541Vance was a master of dialogue and could make his characters' bizarre speech patterns sound so natural that you'll catch yourself talking like them if you're not careful. Herbert's characters just take turns vomiting exposition at each other in a stilted way. It doesn't detract too much from the experience since Herbert has other strengths as a writer, but when it came to dialogue he never got past amateur level.
>>24109131I’m surprised no one has mentioned the philosophical differences that underly the two books. Dune is a very “historical materialist” work. Spiritual forces are explained to actually be the product of material ones. In Tolkien’s world, the opposite is true—the world of Middle Earth is governed from the heavens by a spirit race. In Dune, the Harkonnens are a “sort of” villain, but mostly they are just another political faction with similar moral standing to the Atreides. The movies go out of their way to make the Harkonnen civilization itself appear somehow rotten, but the books don’t. This is a very historical attitude, that strips away morality and looks only at the power forces at play. Basically Herbert is modernist whereas Tolkien is intentionally anti modernist.
>>24110648Tolkien is very modernist
>>24110648>In Dune, the Harkonnens are a “sort of” villain, but mostly they are just another political faction with similar moral standing to the Atreides. The movies go out of their way to make the Harkonnen civilization itself appear somehow rotten, but the books don’tThis is objectively not true.Beyond the fact that in interviews Herbert has stated he deliberately made the Harkonnens "pure evil" for the sake of the story, the book depicts them as cunning, degenerate pedophiles.
>>24109487It might be some sort of autism because the texture of the LotR books I read felt really bad in my hands, but reading Tolkien felt like waking up on a hot summer night to dsicover I had no water to hand. It was so dry as to be offputting. I finished Two Towers and realised that nobody was forcing me to slog through it, so I gave up there.Dune has no prose. The story is zapped straight at you, which is obviously worse on a literary level but at the end of Messiah I was still hooked and look forward to Children.
>>24109131>Why did a devout catholic dislike a book that presents a cynical portrait of religion ?
