Anon, what novels do you know that are talking about gambling?
Quite a bit of gambling in this one
>>24111049Last Call by Tim Powers
>>24111049gambler by dostoyevski but its a very mid book
fictionjeremy collier 1713 an essay upon gamingwilliam godwin 1799 st leonalexander pushkin 1833 the queen of spadesluke rhinehart 1971 the dice manjournalismgeneral pierre polovtsoff 1937 monte carlo casinogary ross 1987 stung (also published under the title no limit)richard w. munchkin 2002 gambling wizardsthomas ruys smith, editor 2010 blacklegs, card sharps, and confidence menrobert jarvis 2019 gambling under the swastikadavid sklansky 2020 geeking, grifting, and gambling through las vegasnonfictionandrew steinmetz 1870 the gaming tablejohn philip quinn 1890 fools of fortunejames harold romain 1891 gamblingjohn ashton 1898 the history of gambling in englandherbert ashbury 1938 sucker's progressdavid g. schwartz 2006 roll the bonesacademicgerda reith 1999 gambling in western culturejames f. cosgrave, editor 2006 the sociology of risk and gambling readerjessica richard 2011 the romance of gambling in the eighteenth-century british noveledwin m. yamauchi & marvin r. wilson 2015 dictionary of daily life in biblical & post-biblical antiquity---games & gamblingjames banks 2017 gambling, crime and societyfiona nicoll 2019 gambling in everyday lifechi chuen chan, william wai lim li, amy sau lam chiu 2019 the psychology of chinese gamblingmathematicsgerolamo cardano 1520 the book on games of chancef. n. david 1962 games, gods and gamblingmanfred eigen & ruthild winkler 1965 laws of the gameoperationsjim kilby, jim fox, anthony f. lucas 2005 casino operations management, 2eddennis conrad 2008 conrad on casino marketingderk j. boss & alan w. zajic 2011 casino security and gaming surveillanceotherlycurgus m. starkey jr. 1964 money mania and moralsjackson lears 2003 something for nothingrobin mackay, editor 2014 collapse volume viiimay the Name of the Lord Most High be praised, and may lady luck smile upon me now and forever amen
>>24111657It’s one of his best
>>24111226reminds me of Walter Tevis who wrote "The Hustler" in 1959 (arguably inspired by the success of Gresham's "Nightmare Alley" from 1949) and "The Color of Money" in 1984, arguably better as it shows more of its authorthe man also wrote "The Queen's Gambit" in 1983 (yes, chess is gambling)
> Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have any meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skills and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.>Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player had labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be?
>>24111657>Set in a German casino and hotel, the story explores the destructive nature of addictionWhat a gay book. He should have written a positive tale about it.
>>24112974>Some see the film as a loose adaptation of the short 1866 novel The Gambler by Fyodor Dostoyevsky.if true, pic rel is arguably a superior adaptation and does not have that sour loser Dostoevsky's bitterness>In 2018, the Los Angeles Times reported that 395 women had accused Toback of sexual harassm*nt or assa*lt over a 40-year period. Toback denied all the allegations.the screenwriter knew a thing or two about gambling that's for sure lolbtw these word filters are really getting out of hand
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>>24111049Tap City by Ron Abell. Little, Brown & Co. 1985.Short review by D. Schwartz: Tap City is about a fictional Seven-Card Stud Tournament hosted by fictional celebrity poker player Stretch Jackson in a fictional Reno casino, the Taj Mahal. The first part of the book sets the scene, describing several of the eventual participants in the game at various points over the previous few months, and the second half is the telling of what happens during the three-day tournament.
>>24113973Sounds kino, tbqh.
>>24111716I feel it drags out and ends up in a very short and sorry note, specially compared to how much better his later works are. I feel if the name "Dostoevsky" was not attached to it, people wouldn't be so harsh on it though. I liked some of his descriptions of the casino and the nature of gambling, his hatred of germans and the very ecstatic vibes from the scenes with the rich grandma. I couldn't give less of a fuck about this retard's romance with someone he's hired to work for, im never gonna sympathise with that specially since I find dating anyone poorer than me extremely gross.
>>24111716that's what he said :^)
>>24113006>>24113013Does it portray gambling as a positive light? If you think about it gambling is the only ethical way to become wealthy. You are fully admitting the arbitrary and meaningless relation between money and value and embracing the nothingness of the universe and simply rolling the dice.
Runyon had a lot of short stories involving gambling
>>24114056The relationship with the girl (Paulina or the Russian equivalent idrc) was the beat part though. I only appreciate Dostoevsky’s characters when they’re completely off the fucking deep-end neurotic and she perfectly represents BPD with her histrionics and his SI’s gambling addiction sublimating into this desire to have a findom relationship with her is just fucking surreal, I’ve never read anything else like it.
>>24114130in my opinion it portrays it in a neutral light; unlike Dostoevsky's novel which has a cynical ending, here the main character "evolves" from gambling money to gambling blood California Split is another movie that came out the same year (1974); it also portrays gambling in a neutral light but offers a more pure perspective; to contrast it with The Gambler which had a Jewish scriptwriter & director, California Split had neither of those
apart from pic rel: Kate Fox "The Racing Tribe: Watching the Horsewatchers" (2005) is a sociological studynow, if you'll excuse me, I have to go see a man about a horse
>>24114360Sounds like he was just low IQ. Gambling is good and a sign of virtue. Maybe he was mad he was bad at gambling.
>>24114448>sign of virtuesince Nevada legalized gambling, it also applied to prisons and there was an actual casino, from 1932 to 1967, in the Nevada State Prison>State Archivist Jeff Kintop said surprisingly little was written in newspapers about the prison casino up to the time it was closed.>He said the thinking of most wardens was gaming would keep inmates out of trouble.>"I guess gambling is one of those necessary evils," Warden Jack Fogliani said when he came to the prison in the 1960s.>The thinking of legislators, according to Assemblyman Howard McKissick, R-Reno, was that gambling prevented "homosexual problems."source: https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/prison-casino-is-history/also: https://nevadastateprison.org/the-casino/of course gambling can also be bad, for example when a gambling establishment is placed within a residential area, or when it's not kept free of people who behave like stereotypical gypsies, either inside or outside the establishment etc.pic unrelated
>>24111710high quality post, thanks anon
Gambling is discussed a fair amount in Warlock.Two of the main characters are pretty involved in faro, one owning an establishment and one dealing.Faro is part of the culture of the town and characters sometimes make analogies to faro when trying to understand or explain the behaviors they're seeing in others.
>>24114857Forgot to attach picrel.jpg
>>24114507People should be gambling from cradle to grave. People who don't gamble should be executed. Epic poems should be written praising gamblers.
>>24111710Uber excellent post. Many thanks.
>>24114056how about somebody richer than you?
Best graphic novel you'll read
>>24114869t. casino injun. Gambling, in all its forms, is for losers. It's a scrub loser activity.
>>24114957Sorry but you just don't understand that gambling is based. It is simply letting Jesus take the wheel. There is no meaning in life outside of gambling.
>>24113973>Ron Abell. Little,On Internet Archive is avaible.
>>24114964Gambling IS life.
>>24115533The life is a puzzle.
>>24114430nice, alsowilliam mcilvanney 1995 mcilvanney on horseracinglaura hillenbrand 2003 seabiscuitlawrence scanlan 2007 the horse god built>>24114921>>24114851it was made it in a bit of a rush, but hopefully there's something in it for everybodypic rel I forgot from the rist... from what I remember, only the first story involves gambling but it's still worth readingthere is also a huge amount of academic research on pre-modern gambling (greece, rome, central asia, china, japan) but there is no book published, at least not to the extent of my knowledgeof course back then divination and gambling were kind of smeared together>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortes_Homericaeand of course there is also another galaxy involving payout machines, lootboxes, gacha etc.>https://www.ipdb.org/archive/russjensen/gambling.htmis a good overview of why pinball is or is not gambling>>24114954the second season of the anime series ("Kaiji: Against All Rules" with the mines & pachinko) was cool because it was realistic and could 100% happen, but the first one was boring me to tears... I don't know about the manga thoughI didn't like the Akagi anime either but Legendary Gambler Tetsuya was greatI might be biased because I saw all these after watching Initial D and Wangan Midnight
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>>24111657I liked it. Considering he wrote it in like a week, it's pretty good.
>>24115751>I will write some moralistic sloppa, to be gobbled up by righteous hags, in order to pay for my gambling debtsconsidering that he already wrote 10 better novels by then, it's a bit of a let-down... just proves that it ain't worth reading a writer who had no choice but to write
>>24112761>yes, chess is gamblingit is not
>>24116246why not? even at the highest level one party wins just because the other party commits some mistakesure there is some skill involved in catching that mistake, but it's the same kind of mistake catching the baccarat dealer committing an arithmetic erroras for the party making the mistake, well, he's just like a dude who hasn't got the perception and intelligence to predict on which face a die will landanyway. by the time most players realize this, they are too deep in... look how Morphy ended up, how Steinitz considered dignity more important than a win in chess, and how Magnus Carlsen who has invested more in the game than anybody in its history just said "fuck it" and forfeited his world championship title for the sake of the game... these are only the peaks, there are probably enough examples to fill a bookanyway, to paraphrase Morgan Freeman at the end of Se7en: life is worth fighting for
>>24116355>same kind of mistake catchingsame kind of skill catching
>>24116239I would say it's worth reading. If anything, it just highlights how Dosto is able to craft a good story whenever he pleases, even if it doesn't have the philosophical gravity of something like TBK.
>>24116383indeed TBK was his work I got furthest in, but I prefer to appreciate cute girls who delight in the russian classics than to read them myselfI almost exclusively read non-fiction, lit is more of a dirty secret lol
>>24116394>>24116383also Jesus Christ Almighty who would go to Germany or Austria to gamble when even Germans and Austrians go to South of France or Italy to do that?! I get shivers even thinking about that
>>24116355This is some ad hoc bullshit about the configuration space right here. Have you looked at the study habits of Magnus or anybody else in his league? Anyways, I guarantee you that you can view games and find mistakes that they couldn't capitalize on because they didn't see how to. And in this sense, your configuration space idea of mistake is moot. It is only of a certain form based on player ability and all of those inconvenient factors that alter mind states.
>>24116427>I guarantee you that you can view games and find mistakes that they couldn't capitalize on because they didn't see how to.that was kind of my point tho
>>24116450right, that would be true if there was no way to improve what they see. But they do improve what they see up to some completely theoretical and so far uncalculated limit. This is entirely different from playing a lottery.
>>24116355gambling (noun)1) the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.2) the act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly
>>24116456anon after 10 years of winning world championships, and having enough money, he didn't need to improveif anything I am sure he had reached "the Steinitz conclusion" and considered that prepping against sweaty slobs like Nepomniachtchi or street shitters to be a waste of time>>24116467take that dictionary and shove it up your ass
>>24116471yes, many great chess players gave up for the content grind. But of all the things they could pick for money, why is chess it? And what exactly is the accolade for being the best at chess? No, I don't think he ever needed to improve in the sense of dependency. He liked it and now he doesn't.
>>24116471lmao what a salty moron
>>24115546>is a puzzleThat's the scientific view, anon. A more immediate take is that life is a gift-- puzzle or not, it possesses YOU rn
>>24116478>But of all the things they could pick for money, why is chess it?they had neither the skill nor the content necessary to write>And what exactly is the accolade for being the best at chess?yeah that was my point too... you are trying to jew yourself to the top but I can guarantee you it won't fly>>24116482shove it deeper
>>24116355Doesn't make any sense, chess is not gambling same as dishwashing isn't gambling
>>24116562never a dish slipped from your hand, only to end up in smithereens? :3
>>24116576No, and no one has ever bet their money on me dropping a plate
>>24116580>no one has ever bet their money on me dropping a plateI bet that ain't trueyou are also a liar and a hamster
>>24116580I guess you can say that the plate value is the wage itself. And you probably have cheap walmart shit or even paper plates. And so you have no trust in your own dexterity. Indicating you are an unlucky person in general.It makes sense why you don't want these things to be gambling.
>>24116601the only thing that does not make sense is how you are able to breathe with your head so far up your ass
>>24111049James Bond novels sometimes use gambling as device to show traits about the characters. Moon raker is a good example
what kind of weird trolling is this chess thing even
Bukowski mentions horse racing betting very often but rarely in detail except picrel. It is a collection of his journal entries, desu, and he goes more into details if I remember it correctly
>>24116601sorry anon this post >>24116610 was meant for the other person, I gambled and lost lolI hope there are no hard feelings>>24118143>sometimesI would say it's present in most of the books/movies; in fact it's among the few consistent things between the books and movies, as in the former there is more drinking and the girls are always in their early 20s... while in the latter the girls are 30-50
>>24118217once you spend enough time (I'm talking decades, not hours) pondering where "randomness" is dripping from while all philosophers stand like marble statues in the temple of determinism (discounting the occasional "determinism for thee but not for mee") it will take on an air of logiceither that or, as said, git gud enough at chess so you know why you or the opponent lost, know what you need to do to improve, but decide that it ain't worth ityou'll get used to ityou can get used to anythingmaybe that's the lesson being incarnated as a meat puppet and why religion(s) are basically spiritual BDSM
Logically speaking there is no reason to NOT play the lottery>but low chances of winningYou can’t win if you don’t play>but it’s a waste of moneySo are video games, fast food, drinking, 99% of subscriptions. At least I have a chance of a ROI>but you could just invest the moneyI already invest, but again I could say the same about all other frivolous shit people buy>but it’s expensiveJust buy 1 line for each night of a drawing , that’s only 10 dollars a week, a little over 500 dollars a year
>>24118454I 100% agree with you given that the lottery is fairdoes the lottery offer proof beyond any doubt that it's fair? maybe in some countries, but for example in where I live it's like "yeah we have drawn these numbers and it was like filmed and stuff and here is the tape, trust us"reminds me of that fluke at Bally's where a slot machine malfunctioned and awarded several hundreds of thousands of dollars "sorry it was a machine fault, you win nothing"...if people don't have dignity (by choice, alas) they won't take responsibility, and that is the source for the downfall of economy, WHICH IS BASICALLY GAMBLING, we are seeing all over the worldbanks have such success, and are so hated, because they demand and offer guaranteesthat's the lesson
>>24118484I’m not sure about other countries’ lotteries but the US lottery is almost certainly not rigged. It’s drawn live but also most states you can’t claim anonymously, so you get to see whatever hick won. There’s also no incentive to cheat, it’s already free money for the government why ruin a good thing and try to rig it
>>24116491The important thing is not to think that you are omniscient.
>>24118571>It’s drawn live but also most states you can’t claim anonymously, so you get to see whatever hick won.basedif Trump actually manages to do something worthwhile, I might move there>There’s also no incentive to cheat, it’s already free money for the government why ruin a good thing and try to rig itI know you will consider it impossible but people in the balkans lie even if it's against their best interest... and that's practically the cornerstone of their society, their religionthey make money by scamming people like you, who are used to parties respecting contacts
Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned. This novel will blow your mind.
>>24118891thanks
>>24114851thank chatgpt, brainlet.
>>24116355haha holy shit.
>>24118454Other things also being a waste of money isn't a "logical"ly sound argument against not wasting that money on that particular thing. Idiot. Don't bring up logic ever again.
