Nietzscheans look at this asshole and think "Fuck yeah."
>>24111275He was always going to sacrifice his soldiers and his soldiers were always willing to die for him. What's the problem exactly? (besides the rape and torture)
>becoming a vessel for a demon is neitzscheanlevels of cuckoldry that I can't even fathom. literally LA actress tier.
>>24111279Sacrificing your life is not the same as forfeiting your soul to Hell forever.Those branded have their souls voided as well, not just their bodies.
>>24111275It's purposely a Nietzschean story
>>24111275Rizzin up the gyatt like a skibidi sigma watch out the brainrot skibidi be rizzin
The very idea of "Nietzschean" existing as a category of people is antithetical to Nietzsche.
>>24111322Exceptionally Nietzschean take
>>24111275If you wanna know how Berserk would end, read Devilman.
>>24111275Guts is the Nietzschean hero of Berserk tho
>>24111375
Don't you ever get bored of always thinking about some German guy who lived over a hundred years ago? It's deranged. Imagine meeting a guy in real life who happened to be a bit more intelligent and creative than the average person -- someone who had interesting things to say at times; things that broke the mundanity. Even if you liked him, would you spend all your days thinking about the way he thought? I think Nietzsche's writing has such an effect because he was trying to make the reader purchase his next book, his next book, his next book. Not so different from a cult leader. Only people in cults think like this about another man. If you're so deluded by Nietzsche that you're laughing at my thoughts, then just go and read the opening of The Antichrist right now. These are the sort of basic mind games a cult leader uses to indoctrinate simpletons.
Guts and Griffith are both Nietzschean and that's what makes the story interestingunless Miura cucked and had Guts forgive him or some gay shit
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>>24111417The opening of The Antichrist is pure kino. Brutally filtered plebeian
>>24111280>literally ascending to a higher plane of existence is le cucked
>>24111427>higher plane of existenceKill All Platonists
Reminder Nietzsche's will to power is another name for Schopenhauer's will to live.
>>24111433Same vibe
>>24111433If Nietzsche genuinely thought becoming a nigh-omnipotent demon contradicts his own philosophy, then he's a retard that doesn't understand his own writings
>>24111438>le fedora atheism memeFuck off commie
>>24111417>then just go and read the opening of The Antichrist right now.>—Let us look each other in the face. We are Hyperboreans—we know well enough how remote our place is. “Neither by land nor by water will you find the road to the Hyperboreans”: even Pindar,[1] in his day, knew that much about us. Beyond the North, beyond the ice, beyond death—our life, our happiness.... We have discovered that happiness; we know the way; we got our knowledge of it from thousands of years in the labyrinth. Who else has found it?—The man of today?—“I don’t know either the way out or the way in; I am whatever doesn’t know either the way out or the way in”—so sighs the man of today.... This is the sort of modernity that made us ill,—we sickened on lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous dirtiness of the modern Yea and Nay. This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything because it “understands” everything is a sirocco to us. Rather live amid the ice than among modern virtues and other such south-winds!... We were brave enough; we spared neither ourselves nor others; but we were a long time finding out where to direct our courage. We grew dismal; they called us fatalists. Our fate—it was the fulness, the tension, the storing up of powers. We thirsted for the lightnings and great deeds; we kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from “resignation”... There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast—for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal....Holy fuck. Thanks anon I'm reading this book in its entirety in the next 48 hours.
>>24111446>Let us look each other in the face. We are HyperboreansKino
>>24111444You can't escape the reality of how embarrassing you are and calling me a commie isn't gonna make that fact any easier for you, pal
>>24111438Guy on the right almost nails an actually good look he just needs some nice wingtips or something. The sneakers ruin it
>>24111443>becoming a nigh-omnipotent demon
>>24111455He is a demon and nigh-omnipotent, retarded tranny.
>>24111453>Guy on the right almost nails an actually good lookAnon...
>>24111453What he needs is a better build.
>>24111451>embarrassingTo who, the voices in your head?
Don't you ever get bored of always thinking about some Jewish guy who lived over two thousand years ago? It's deranged. Imagine meeting a guy in real life who happened to be a bit more intelligent and creative than the average person -- someone who had interesting things to say at times; things that broke the mundanity. Even if you liked him, would you spend all your days thinking about the way he thought? I think Christ's preaching has such an effect because he was trying to make the listener listen to his next sermon, his next sermon, his next sermon. Not so different from a cult leader. Only people in cults think like this about another man. If you're so deluded by Jesus that you're laughing at my thoughts, then just go and read the opening of The Sermon on the Mount right now. These are the sort of basic mind games a cult leader uses to indoctrinate simpletons.
>>24111463Calling me crazy doesn't really work when you're hero went completely insane
>>24111467>insane ramblings are le bad when le german does itJust say you worship jews so we can skip all the bullshit
>>24111471>shows the full display of his retardation
>>24111457Thanks for the clarification cunt
>>24111275nah that would be Donovan
>>24111474Thanks for conceding
>>24111417I tire of Nietz only when I think about how sickly and cucked he was in his personal life. His works might contain lightning bolts of insight and might encapsulate a generational spirit, but he was so thoroughly pitiful at times that his philosophy seems delusional and comedic. I get that he was probably laying the groundwork for people with better constitutions than him, who might be able to seize upon it and embody it better, but he was in Schopenhauer territory with his personal reputation, essentially. And his own exacting standards destroyed him. So you've really gotta take his philosophy on if you're chad -- or maybe if you want to get closer to being one and care to risk destroying yourself. But even then, this legacy of his usually manifests in Indian people reading repackaged Nietzschean points in "The 48 Laws of Power" on the bus and thinking they're gonna be invincible. His style is unmatched, though -- even if his poetry and music suck.
>>24111569>he was so thoroughly pitiful at times that his philosophy seems delusional and comedicIn what way? Keep in mind that 48 Laws of Power is not based on Nietzsche, but on social Darwinism, which existed during Nietzsche's lifetime and he even disputed it.
>>24111446Kinda mid ngl
>>24111465take my upvote good sir!
>>24111592>>24111594seething
>>24111275I’m an enjoyer of Nietzsche, and all I thought was “I wonder what this twink’s asshole feels like.” In all seriousness he did have a kind of Alcibiades appeal to him.
>>24111603I'm related to him, I can talk about him however I want. Faggot
>In this world... Is the destiny of mankind controlled by some... transcendental entity, or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true; that man has no control —even over his own will...
>>24111275what brainrot is this...
>>24111275Klaus NomiISBATMAN
>>24111336Kek. Nietzsche btfo
So we have come full circle again
>>24111375>>24111399Guts is literally driven by resentment towards Griffith and only comes close to overcoming his resentment through connection with others. This is the most anti-Nietzschean take possible
>>24111424> The opening of The Antichrist is pure kinoYeah, when you're 15 and read it for the first time.
>>24111465Why do Nietzscheoids always think that whoever criticizes Nietzsche must be a Christcuck? It really shows the narrowness of your mind.
>>24111775If you weren't then you wouldn't care enough to respond
>>24111781Wtf kind of logic is this?
>>24111773Post a list of mature books that we teenagers can read to be more like you
>>24111783You would've responded to something not jesus related. You're clearly offended on his behalf but trying to insist you're not for some reason
>>24111475Let me reiterate my main point: How does Griffith being a fucking GOD that can directly manipulate reality and fate to his will make him anti-Nietzschean?
>>24111785Leviathan by Thomas HobbesOutlines of Skepticism by Sectus EmpiricusAwakening of the Faith in Mahayana by unknownSelected Writings of Zhu Xi edited by Ivanhoe Essential Peirce Vols 1 & 2 Introduction to Calculus and Analysis vols 1 & 2 by Fritz John and Richard Courant Gerard Manly Hopkins: The Major Works published by Oxford
>>24111791I responded to like five other posts dude, that’s why this thread got so many posts suddenly. Your cope is insane. You double down on a schizo theory that I’m actually pretending not to be a christcuck instead of just ignoring my reply like a normal person
>>24111817>Leviathan by Thomas HobbesThis shit was in my college ethics class, you're not special.
>>24111824Huh? How popular it is is irrelevant
>>24111291the catch is that unless you are a magic user your soul will end up in the vortex anyway
>>24111817lmao
>>24111587Read his personal letters. Read about his relationship with Wagner, with particular women he attempted to court, and so forth. He was a genius, no doubt, but a complete R*dditor sperg at times.
>>24111769Resentment and revenge are not the same thing
>>24111279>besides the rape and torture
>>24111900I've read all of it. He's not a social Darwinist, so none of it negatively affects his philosophy.
>>24111419Gus is a Christian knight. Forgiveness is for people who repent, which Griffith likely never will.
>>24111275Did you know this design was 100% lifted from a 1970's De Palma film? Japs really can't invent shit lmao.
>>24111275fuck yeah
>>24112184you'd have a better point if the movie wasn't entirely lifted from a book written by gaston leroux
>>24112184I'd argue that darth vader also stole the Phantom of the Paradise's drip.no reason to hate, copyright is bullshit and people should be able to take inspiration as they want. Seriously if you ever watched Phantom of the Paradise you'd know it's basically just the phantom of the opera, the picture of dorian grey, and faust.
>>24112194>>24112205>because the movie is referential it excuses Jap hacks for lifting one of its costume 1:1 for their own design in a shallow media form that is all about aesthetics and imaginationlol
>>24112184Don't forget Kojima, he is even worse for this shit.
>>24112217yes
>>24112217it's not 1-for-1. They both have beak-masks, and the specifics of the design are different. Bro can you stfu with your stupid troll posts?
>>24112229>Bro can you stfu with your stupid troll posts?>he says as he posts in a troll thread
>>24112229lmao cry more>>24112220Yikes. I guess I do remember in MGS one guy looking like the Colonel from Rambo and of course Snake was just Kurt Russel.
True ubermensch is Guts. Femto is just a master moralityfag, which is not what ubermensch is
>>24112268correct.
>>24111815Because he was given that power in a moment of weakness and despair. He couldn't bear the thought of living the rest of his life as an invalid - hardly sounds like the amor fati of the self-possessed hyperborean warrior. All because he couldn't stand being rejected by Guts, whose individuality he always craved. Griffith had been coasting on hollow charisma up until he met Guts.
>>24111275Griffith did nothing wrong, all the men he sacrificed had sworn to die for his dream.
>>24112430cope. in war, against human enemies, on the off chance they might share in his ultimate victory. they didn't agree to be eaten alive by slavering demons from behind the veil.
>>24111275Would Nietzsche rape a princess?
>>24112430>>24112434Griffith didn't have free will at the time so it's impossible to blame him for anything. When he gains free will the first action he takes are key to the destruction of mankind's true enemy.
>>24112445The God Hand doesn't grant godhood to anyone who does not accept their bargain out of their own free will. Common trope in both media and the occult. Evil gets no pleasure out of you sacrificing your loved ones under duress.
>>24111820If you weren't a christcuck you would've let this go already
>>24112205Pretty sure Vader’s helmet was inspired by samurai armor
>>24113142You'd be correct. Lucas was mostly pulling from Akira Kurosawa's films and retro sci-fi shows.>>24112184Griffith's helmet (and his demon form) are just designed to look like a hawk.
>>24113142Talking about the leather and chains with a machine box on his chest part, not his mask. Cause we all know the phantom's mask is the only aspect of his character.You are a retarded person who's only joy in life comes from catching (you)s
>>24112462If your entire life has been orchestrated to bring you to the point where you accept a deal like that, it's not free will.
>>24113251>Griffith's helmet (and his demon form) are just designed to look like a hawk.It's 1:1, you retard.
>>24114175It isn't.
>>24111769It's Griffith who is driven by resentment lol. He can't take his failure, and Guts and Casca's relationship, and reaches for an outside force instead of overcoming his failures himself.
>>24114065All the God Hand can do is apply pressure. The ultimate responsibility lies with Griffith. He didn't have the strength to rise above the circumstances which were indeed orchestrated for him. He is not an ubermensch. He confirmed only his slavery to Fate/Necessity/the Heimarmene. Guts defies the very will of the universe. >>24115318Exactly what I've been saying. Nietzscheboos are a rot.
>>24111375>In a life and death struggle with a Platonic "Idea of Evil.">Gives in to rage and risks losing himself to the beast, degenerating into a seething heap of passions and appetites instead of a unified whole doing what it thinks is best.>Driven by resentment and hatred for the whole middle arcs, and honestly a good deal of the first main arc.>Only overcomes the collapse into multiplicity and being ruled over by his passions and appetites through encounters with beauty and goodness and the development of true friendships.>Learns to control his passions and appetites, becoming master over them instead of vice versa, thus allowing him to pursue his goals.>Also helped by magic and the ascent into the astral realm, higher and higher towards the pure ideas.Nah, he is intended to be Nietzschean, but ends up being a Platonist/Augustinian.Note also that from the very outset he faces absolutely disgusting, vile demonic enemies, and even the human enemies are butchers and rapists. That is, you never see Nietzsche's strong crushing and sweeping aside the weak who attempt to tyrannize them.This is true in all sorts of Nietzsche inspired literature. Ayn Rand's socialists are all disgusting, vice ridden, vile slobs. R. Scott Bakker pits his overman against rape aliens and demon gods. It's never realistic people who might make too many demands on a stronger person, but only out of weakness and ignorance. Otherwise, we might suppose the strong and wise should help the weak. Instead, the opponent has to be made both disgusting and fierce.Whereas, if you look at the best part, Dante tries very hard to evolve our pity for the damned, to identify with them, while also steadily building an education on why the imagery is actually emblematic of what the sinner does to themselves, the entire trip presented as a spiral, a straight line circling back on itself at higher and higher levels of understanding, and thus of both righteousness condemnation, but also proper pity and love.
Does Berserk actually have some deep (at least relatively deep for manga) philosophy about determinism and idealism/materialism?
>>24115492No, of course not.
>>24115492like all anime and manga, you have to bring far more than it puts out. this might just be the height of japanese pop philosophy >>24111694, and it's barely on the level of schope's wikipedia article.
>>24115492Read it and find out yourself you idiot.
>>24111275I miss the days when Berserk wasn't people and faggots who never read Berserk piss their pants when they see Griffith as one of the most evil antagonists of all time and Berserk is a masterpiece when the manga is in the worst state it's ever been, period.
>>24115374Magic in Berserk is from Old Scandinavian mythology. It is northern European; totally compatible with Nietzsche, who was the first real northern European philosopher (and a sorcerer in the ancient sense).Guts is not driven by resentment in his middle arc. He becomes the Lion, the second metamorphosis of spirit according to Zarathustra. He fights the dragon of Tradition throughout this arc, rejecting everything structured, fighting old demons.>you never see Nietzsche's strong crushing and sweeping aside the weak who attempt to tyrannize themThere is plenty of that in the Black Swordsman / Lost Children arcs. But this is a caricature of Nietzsche, who wasn't a vulgar man.He starts to become a monster as he fights monsters, just as Nietzsche warned. But Nietzsche didn't encourage this. Guts eventually learns to temper the monster in himself.Nietzsche and Plato were not completely at odds with each other. In late Nietzsche, the Apollonian becomes absorbed into the Dionysian. His Dionysus became both. That's why late Nietzsche preferred the Romans to the Greeks.Griffith/Femto represents the Platonic ideal. Guts, warrior of flesh and friend of sorcerers, represents the Nietzschean ideal.
>>24115320>Guts defies the very will of the universe.Only because of Griffith. Guts is his weapon to strike back against the God Hand, Femto, and the IoE.
>>24115492not about those topics although there is some vague obsession with "causality" that isn't well thought out. the true themes are clearly psychological rather than metaphysical. The God of the Berserk world is the "idea of evil" which was created by humans to cope with suffering. make of that what you will
>>24115492It's art. It's not about some deep message, it's about aesthetics. There's not much else, in manga or elsewhere, that captures the dark fantasy aesthetic better than Berserk.
>>24116579>who was the first real northern European philosopherMeister Eckhart
>>24116706>CatholicNope.
>>24116708You limit yourself by doing this.
>>24116710Anything derived from Plato isn't northern European.
>>24116717You seem oddly fixated on that one thing. It's strange.
>>24116722>oddlyPlato is a philosophical giant. There's nothing odd about focusing on him. Nietzsche certainly did. But Plato is fundamentally at odds with everything that northern Europe represents.
>>24116727I meant Northern Europe, not Plato. Makes me think you wish you were born there, but you must be Indjan or something
>>24116727>>24116732I'm just kidding. But what makes Griffith more Platonic than Guts?
>>24116738>But what makes Griffith more Platonic than Guts?He raises himself above the world through metaphysics. God Hand and the entire demon realm are metaphysical. Femto is metaphysical. Overall, Griffith is a more ascetic character than Guts, who's more instinctual and "in the moment" in comparison. That's what made Guts such an incredible warrior and precisely why Griffith became enamored with him. Opposites attract.The Pontiff represents Catholicism. Look at the Pontiff's relationship to Griffith. That's Catholicism's relationship to Platonism. Meanwhile, Guts almost takes on the figure of the Antichrist.
>>24112253>Yikes. I guess I do remember in MGS one guy looking like the Colonel from Rambo and of course Snake was just Kurt Russel.Close. Everyone is David Bowie. Snake was also Kyle Reese from The Terminator, at least in the first Metal Gear game.
>>24116973He's literally Snake Plisskin.
>>24117355I said Metal Gear, not Metal Gear Solid.
>>24111275>Fuck yeahRemind me of that sheep in Family guy that getting sheared. Look it up on youtube and tell me your reaction.
>>24111275Griffith is gay as fuck. He was in love with Guts before he had the godhand erase his emotions.
>>24116579What twitter thread did you copy this from
>>24118619Being gay is Nietzschean
>>24118997It wasn't copied
>>24115374>R. Scott Bakker pits his overman against rape aliens and demon gods.Kellhus dominates normal humans and alien rape demons alike. This is a major part of the last book.
>>24119022I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, but the way you write it feels like your combining internet meme rhetoric and haven't actually read Nietzsche yourself.
>>24116641You're a simpleton
>>24119139Cope
