>Great Man TheoryHogwash.And even if it was true, there'll never be another "great man of history" again.
>>24114343Nuh uh
>>24114343>there'll never be another "great man of history" again.That's right. There are only great women of history now
>>24114446Define "woman" first
>>24114343Awfully whiggish perspective. The worse things get the wider the niche for the Great Man becomes, and things are going to continue getting worse.
>>24114446trans women*
>>24114874Black and indigenous transwomen of colour*
>>24114691The last “Great Man” was Hitler. I’m not even a Neo-Nazi or even remotely right wing, but there has never been another man since whose actions alone singlehandedly changed the world, which is the romantic image of what a “great man” is.
>>24115651Mao Zedong
>>24115657He couldn’t run a country and other members of the party held China together while he was leading a national LARP. If anything he refutes the great man theory better than almost anyone else.
>>24115651It was Qasem Soleimani
>>24115678Deng Xiaoping then
Donald Trump is literally a great man of history
great actor theory, ion
>>24114343yall fellas ever read his essay on the nigger question?
>>24115784Ok, MAYBE. A huge maybe. But it's not enough. Deng is not enough.
Yeah. Historicism is pretty pointless
>>24115855yeah, lifting millions from abject poverty in less than a generation is no big deal. he charted the course of 20% of the world's current lives. if that's not a Great Man, then we have to dispense with the model
>>24115651Overrated. Washington was the last Great Man
>>24115860>the guy who transitions from the economic form directly after the destruction of agrarian society, ie step three or so in the plan, to bring the country up to snuff with the rest of the world economy, ie the global society objective, is a 'great man'oh ok
>>24115651I just don't think so unless Mass Slaughter makes you a Great Man.
>>24115875what? if you could explain more--i don't really understand what you're saying
>>24114343Resentful fucking worm.
>>24115882smoke more meth bro
>>24115888i'm fine abusing alcohol, thanks tho
>>24115894no problem bro
debunked by steve jobs. the nigga at the helm really makes a difference. anything else is mediocre cope.
>>24115900Apple Inc. =/= World History
>>24115900the anti-great man theory does not deny the glory of who is known to be a great manit shrimply states that another "great man" would take placeas for iphones, 5s was released after jobs' death and it was the best one
>>24115908the microcosm is the macrocosm
>>24115912it's not a reversible reaction. the macrocosm is further revealed in its microcosms, but you cannot get the macrocosm from one of its micros
>>24115913if you are a fat I can safely assumed you have clogged arteries
>>24115923congrats on the non sequitur.
>>24115932I can also assume that your skeletal system is working overtime as well as your cardiovascular health. I wonder what happens when you put a a twitch streamer as the head of state.
>>24114343Elon Musk disproves that.
>>24114343There are literally "great men" acting upon the world right now.They're all just randian assholes.
>>24115947Whenever I read Elon Musk news I feel like I'm reading one of those chapters about the final, decadent days of the nobility in Carlyle's French Revolution. 'To the dullest peasant, as he sits sluggish, overtoiled, by his evening hearth, one idea has come: that of Châteaus burnt; of Châteaus combustible.'
>>24115855>But it's not enough. Deng is not enough.Then what's enough? What does it take?
>>24115940as someone with thoughts, I don't reason according to a superficial understanding of biological reality, but even in your "if you are a fat" proposition, it's funny that having clogged arteries do not necessarily (i'm using this word in its precise meaning) mean you're obese. see? the "if you are a fat" proposition you so wonderfully raised is exactly an example of an irreversible statement, because the "if you have clogged arteries, you are a fat" proposition is incorrect. now, to be rigorous, we can take the contrapositive of the "if you are a fat" proposition, which would be the "if you do not have clogged arteries, you are not a fat" contraposition, which is actually also not true. so, given that the converse and the contrapositive of the "if you are a fat" proposition are not true, for our purposes, this makes the "if you are a fat" proposition a very irrelevant line of reasoning.
>>24115963that's a lot of words to say the person does not matter. it is all interchangeable.
>>24115966>>24115908^ hence
>>24115970Yeah I get. Everyone is the same. The inputs don't matter because the outcome will be the same. lmao
>>24115975wait are you the person I was even talking to? and no that's not what I'm saying at all...
>>24115877Read history beyond what your shitty flyover high school assigns to you.
>>24115991tell me what to read anon. I need a list.
>>24115995NTA, but you need to read THE HISTORY OF JONATHAN WILD THE GREAT by Henry Fielding:>But before we enter on this great work we must endeavour to remove some errors of opinion which mankind have, by the disingenuity of writers, contracted: for these, from their fear of contradicting the obsolete and absurd doctrines of a set of simple fellows, called, in derision, sages or philosophers, have endeavoured, as much as possible, to confound the ideas of greatness and goodness; whereas no two things can possibly be more distinct from each other, for greatness consists in bringing all manner of mischief on mankind, and goodness in removing it from them. It seems therefore very unlikely that the same person should possess them both; and yet nothing is more usual with writers, who find many instances of greatness in their favourite hero, than to make him a compliment of goodness into the bargain; and this, without considering that by such means they destroy the great perfection called uniformity of character. In the histories of Alexander and Caesar we are frequently, and indeed impertinently, reminded of their benevolence and generosity, of their clemency and kindness. When the former had with fire and sword overrun a vast empire, had destroyed the lives of an immense number of innocent wretches, had scattered ruin and desolation like a whirlwind, we are told, as an example of his clemency, that he did not cut the throat of an old woman, and ravish her daughters, but was content with only undoing them. And when the mighty Caesar, with wonderful greatness of mind, had destroyed the liberties of his country, and with all the means of fraud and force had placed himself at the head of his equals, had corrupted and enslaved the greatest people whom the sun ever saw, we are reminded, as an evidence of his generosity, of his largesses to his followers and tools, by whose means he had accomplished his purpose, and by whose assistance he was to establish it.>Now, who doth not see that such sneaking qualities as these are rather to be bewailed as imperfections than admired as ornaments in these great men; rather obscuring their glory, and holding them back in their race to greatness, indeed unworthy the end for which they seem to have come into the world, viz. of perpetrating vast and mighty mischief?
>>24116010damn this is the only reason why I'm still on /lit/. just looked into it, looks awesome, always down for a picaresque
>>24114446This is unironically True, the White man has created a world were feminism is their religion and that women defy eras now, all hail White feminism
>>24116031ywnbaw
>>24115958>Then what's enough? What does it take?I NEED it to be a chudt. incel
>>24114343he's got a cool look.even in his time, he probably looked cool (or whatever the aesthetic equivalent of "cool" was back then).I think he drew a lot of his charisma/rizz from this.
>>24116126Oops sage'd by mistake
>>24116114I hate troons, transgenderism and feminism is the religion of White people
>>24116127>>>/lgbt/
>>24115792>>24115947Came here to say Trump and Musk.
>>24116827yeah
>>24115651Donald Trump
>>24115651Putin
>>24114691Cope
>>24115651I don’t think he’s the last if we look outside of the west but he certainly is one. The fact that he is so demonised essentially makes him a great man, people today invoke hitler the way that people of the past invoked satan as a signifier for ultimate evil.>>24115877It actually does, greatness in this context is a measure of significance, it isn’t a moral judgement, you really need to grow up if you don’t understand this difference. What you’re doing is the equivalent of a leftist saying that Thatcher was never an important politician or a conservative claiming that FDR didn’t matter because you don’t like their policies, not that those two are close to Hitlers level but the point stands.>>24115792Trump is likely to prove to be but we won’t know for sure until years later in all likelihood, unless he does something really big in the next 4 years.>>24115947A great man of reddit more like lmao
>>24115908Introducing the iPhone changed the world for the worse. And it is the iPhone that made the change. There were similar devices before the iPhone that Jobs stole ideas from but they never got the traction
>>24115900Can businessmen be Great Men? Is Henry Ford a Great Man? What about Bill Gates?
>>24117928>Trump is likely to prove to beAre MAGAfags really this delusional? He's pushing eighty, it's practically impossible for him to be one
>>24114343The critiques of Great Man theory always strike me as embittered shock-value stuff. It's obvious that not only is Great Man Theory correct, much more of history is influenced by this kind of human personal agency than people initially believed.
>>24117928ich bin anon no.2, not what i'm saying. this is a structural point. if the centuries long systems of nationalism find a vector in hitler, why do we give the agency to hitler? it's field dynamics. of course he's important, it's about how we distribute agency in world-historical events. i'm just arguing that great man theory over-distributes to individual actors, instead of apprehending roles of other structures (industry, institutions, previous conflicts, national sentiment, culture, etc.) i think the thrust of german nationalism would have found another hitler, that's what i'm saying. it's just a different view of structural dynamics of a complex system. and i think you get more out of that perspective, in terms of developing a macro-view, than reducing the study of historical forces to Alexander, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler for example. i don't really know how much we disagree, it's a difference of emphasis
>>24118096we just can't argue that. i would not attempt to assert that without a formal systems analysis using carefully premised and weighted utilitarian factors
>>24118265Andrew Carnegie was a great man
>>24115900ya in business it's clear personalities/talent matter
>>24118824yup, anti-great man theory is marxist bunk which is ironic since marxism is built around a series of great man personality cults (it's in the name!)
Charles Manson was a Great Man
I didn't really believe in great man theory until I sat down and read a biography of Genghis Khan. Dude was an actual nobody from a nobody tribe in a nowhere corner of the world. Shaped hundreds of years of world history directly from his actions. Structures and whatnot are definitely more important but there is something there.
>>24115792Only if he actually takes canada and greenland instead of shitposting about it
>>24118943>read a biography of Genghis KhanRecs?
>>24119351Secret History of the Mongols
