When do (you) plan to launch your web novel?

>>24695481
Two more weeks (a little less actually).

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>>24695473
>Why read web novels?
>Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly

no one hates web novels more than me, and that's what makes me the best

brothers what do women who read those smut books like that one about the bear and the other one about the minotaur think about males reading the same books? is this an ick? or a w?

>>24695512
What do women think?
Non non, anon, what do women FEEL about men reading the milking farm book. That is the question. The answer is fear. They fear being found out.

>>24695521
braza those things are one and the same

>>24695512
>is it an ick or a w
this depends on entirely on whether you are attractive according to their retarded, instagram-distorted, pornbrained standards

>>24695521
but if i posted up next to one, reading the same smut, and i popped a boner-- they would notice-- would they understand it as comradery (while they wriggle around)?

>>24695529
Non, there is a distinction. I am saying women cannot think.

>>24695481
When I get the mindset of "good enough" instead of being a perfectionist who needs every single detail outlined and prepared.

>>24695481
Before the end of this month!
Mostly working on a title and making connections before launch now.

If I vomit 500 words onto a page does that mean I've written 500 words today?

>>24695549
that's factually incorrect it is known that women mold their thoughts to explain their feelings

>>24695558
Stop eating alphabet soup you fat lard

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>>24694941
space opera is a volcano waiting to erupt, you'll see.

>>24695565
not hating, but what does space opera offer, really?

>>24695565
I think space exploration with science is going to explode once the Project Hail Mary movie comes out.

>>24695481
When I have three volumes of backlog, around 200k words.

>>24695481
When I stop juggling multiple ideas and let myself put the biggest most unwieldy project of mine on the backburner even though it's dear to me.

>>24695599
Why not just finish it already?
Like just write it down man.

>>24695481
Maybe December or January at this rate.

does APGTE ever chill out on the exposition? every time anyone says/does anything, she starts lore dumping

>>24695601
My man, I haven't even finished the outline. What the hell do you mean finish?

I want to write a progression fantasy, but I also want to write fantasy that doesn't go as insane with powerlevels and I feel like I'm being inauthentic.

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>>24695610
I'm revoking your author card. You don't get to claim something is a project when you haven't even outlined it, let alone started writing or making any kind of progress towards completion. You are DAYDREAMING. holy shit bro log off for an hour and finish your outline.

>>24695647
I didn't say I haven't outlined it, this outline is tens of thousands of words long.

>>24695652
You can't have your author card back until I see 10k words of actual story and some consistency on finishing it.
It devalues everyone else to have fraudulent "authors" running around who aren't even writing.

>>24695657
based

>>24695657
Yeah, that's why I'm putting it on the backburner because it's daydreamcore for me and I know I have other stories that are much easier to actually finish.
By the way you had it the wrong way around cutie but don't worry here's you're card back

>>24695638
You don't have to get it into ridiculous levels, I've seen works that never get beyond the protagonist being able to smash buildings in millions of words and still feel like they have a huge amount of progression because of how they pace it out and show its impact

Savage Divinity is xianxia despite the strongest people peaking out at like mountain buster

>>24695665
I don't have to, but that's the thing, I WANT to go high because if I'm doing something in that genre I may as well. But I also want to write more mundane stories or fantasy stories with somewhat smaller stakes and I feel progression would soil me forever.
Also what you're talking about is wuxia, not xianxia.

i think the most absurd xianxia i’ve read delved into quantum mechanics/descartian philosophy just to try and describe the abilities and powers of the MC and his fellows at their realm towards the end of the story.

>>24695481
Its already live.

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>>24695663
46 words not put towards finishing your outline nor starting your story.

>>24695705
Why'd you think I said I was going to put it on the backburner?

At the foot of the mountain, he walked, no, sauntered towards the entrance, staff held in hand. He pointed the weapon at the dungeon, mana coalescing on its tip into a droplet. Mana kept swirling in faster and faster. Soon it was fist-sized, but it kept growing. The mana ball grew and grew until it was as big as the entrance of the dungeon, a terrifying amount of mana to behold. The world, reality itself, warped around it.

The wizard incanted a quick spell and the mana ball rolled forward. It didn't fly. No, it rolled. Directly into the dungeon. The wizard's face twisted in concentration until suddenly he ducked and the mountain exploded. The ground quaked, rock and ash burst outward at tremendous speed, swallowing up everything in their path. Everything nearby disintegrated as the shockwave touched them.

Ten miles away, the party of observers laid on the ground, bleeding from their ears and eyes. Deafened for life, if they were lucky. Who knew that there was such a thing as 'too much mana'?

175 words down for today. It's that easy, huh?

I'm working on a Vampire evo/litRPG and feel compelled to name it 'This story sucks'

I feel like this would fuck me if I call it this on RR, am I overthinking things?

>>24695727
Of course it would.
Why not 'Sucky Sucky?'

>>24695727
"This Sucking Story"

>>24695727
very appropriate for RR

>>24695727
>"This Vampire Story SUCKS!"

>>24695736
>>24695744
See my problem is I thought of the ad first with:
"Life sucks! BUT THIS STORY DOESN'T!"
Then leading to a story titled This story sucks.

And it's shit but it amuses me so much I can't get away from the idea.

>>24695727
Right at the same time I'm thinking of a vampire story... I flee!

>>24695767
Oh just write it coward, we can compete and give each other motivation to do better!
I'm mostly worried that vampire shit wont do well on RR in general, can't find any that I'd say are successful.

Maybe I am putting way to much effort, preperation, and time into it, considering it's meant to be webnovel slop...

>>24695767
Well if you aren't writing it, I'll take your idea and run with it.

outline backwards
if you know where you are going you can't get lost along the way

>>24695859
But endings don't excite me. They don't give me ideas. They're not something I'm looking forward to.

>>24695794
Oh don't worry, mine isn't even a litrpg. It was a funny coincidence.

>>24695875
If the ending doesn't excite you, why should it excite the reader?

>>24695859
not terrible advice but lots of excellent stories start with a great premise, not with a great ending. and following that great premise up is the hard part

>>24695877
It shouldn't excite the reader either. All endings suck, no exceptions. Endings are only good if you are forced to read the story.

Which of the ideas has the best odds to generate profit? My industry is collapsing (software) and I need a backup plan other than factory work.
>sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
> sci fi romance aimed at women but not overly erotic
> grim dark high effort military sci fi aimed at men
> all in parallel (slower releases)

>>24695859
This is really good advice. It's how I started, both my premise and my ending and basically the whole story can be compressed to one sentence. Then I planned out some basic arcs for content along the way, and I always had the climactic ending scene in mind from the very beginning.

My stories where I start with a premise and not an ending tend to get written into corners with nowhere to go.

>>24695957
1 is the best, 2 is the worst.
Now, new topic
How the FUCK did I not think of Robot Girl Evolution last week? Dammit it would have been the perfect standout premise! OS updates! Software packages! New host bodies! FUCK

>>24695957
go with ideas that have not been done before
OR
write something that has huge demand with low supply

this is always how to make money in any industry

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>>24695966
Thanks!

>>24695859
I believe that was advice given by Umberto Eco. He would have one or two striking images in his mind, not necessarily the ending, then he would write a narrative to explain or reach them.

which is more compelling?

>MC gets inadvertently involved in the grand conspiracies of forces greater than him in his attempts at getting an item
or
>MC bullets through grand conspiracies by forces greater than him through his sheer, singleminded, autistic focus for finding and getting the item

wow another empty self-help proverb, exactly what I needed

>>24695957
> sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
3/10
> sci fi romance aimed at women but not overly erotic
2/10
> grim dark high effort military sci fi aimed at men
4/10
> all in parallel (slower releases)
1/10

this is just my first impression. but none of them feel even moderately marketable. do I really need to explain why?
if you can't names bunches of titles in the genre you're trying to make a living out of, do you really expect to be the next big success there?

>>24695997
>> sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
to clarify, harem erotica is actually a booming niche, but the fact you clarified
>not totally aimed at men
drops it from like a 7/10 to a 3/10.
Know Your Audience. The #1 rule to making money as an author. Hedging your bets means nobody will like your shit. Either target it for men, or women. PICK.

what's your overall unique story "gimmick"? Something like "pirates with magical abilities" or "samurai in space"?

>>24696011
awkward girl reincarnates into max-level archmage character from the game she plays

>>24696011
MC progresses through collecting curios, the body parts of rare creatures and creatures alike, fishing, etc. to receive or refine unique equipment based off of said items while everyone around him progresses normally according to the setting.

>>24696011
Above-average cultivator becomes "monster" by sticking to best practices and aura farming about it
also striking visual design and unique setting/systems
"cultivation but JINGLE JANGLE THE SETTING ISN'T ANCIENT CHINA" is basically free

>>24696035
note: monster as in how the term is used in chinkslop, as in "monstrous genius" as in "le cool ebic based chad guy"

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>>24696011
lotgh with newtypes

>>24696011
It's cyberpunk set in a particular subculture and area that very rarely gets mentioned in sci fi but IDK if that's trope enough to differentiate it. Might go back to the drawing board.
>>24695997
>>24696004
Extraordinarily helpful, thank you. I've only ever really written for myself and I'm brand new to this entire space. Probably going to trawl for more popular themes and dial up the coomer grifting.

>>24696035
>"cultivation but JINGLE JANGLE THE SETTING ISN'T ANCIENT CHINA" is basically free
this is so true it hurts

>>24696011
a Superhero WN but if whatever force or entity that started giving humans superpowers decided to offload the most absurd and powerful of them onto the schizos, bpds, psychos and autists of humanity first before giving them to anyone else

>>24696058
>Extraordinarily helpful, thank you. I've only ever really written for myself and I'm brand new to this entire space. Probably going to trawl for more popular themes and dial up the coomer grifting.
you can be an incredibly gifted writer and still make pennies. the reality is that money comes from business acumen and market understanding COMBINED with skill, and honestly more the former than the latter
i would never tell someone to write for money because it's unlikely as hell, but since you outright said you want to make money: you need to understand the genre you're targeting and what your readers want. knowing how to write well is genuinely secondary to that.

do you even read sloppa? you don't necessarily need to enjoy sloppa to write it, but you do need to understand it, which means readings LOTS of books in the subgenre you target

>>24695957
>sci fi
Don't know why by sci fi isn't popular at all i think
Its far more popular to put science in fantasy settings
Like FAAAAAR more popular, everyone like robots, laser guns and drones in fantasy settings, but don't care to touch any sci fi books

>>24696080
>Like FAAAAAR more popular, everyone like robots, laser guns and drones in fantasy settings, but don't care to touch any sci fi books
I like knowing something grand and mystical might happen. Hard sci-fi books feel very constrained

>>24696011
My protagonist could be described as "the weakest."
Original, I know.

>>24696076
>do you even read sloppa?
I read a ton of kindleslop years ago that I thought would be useful but this seems totally different the more I look at it. I'll have to read the top 50 on RR and see if I'm capable of appealing to this crowd effectively.

>>24696091
how about a story about a protagonist who stays weak, but is good at managing and cultivating the development of the powerful allies around him?
then no one wants to read it because MUH POWERFANTASY

>>24696095
>the top 50 on RR
even on RR there's a wide mix of stories (especially if we're talking top rated and not top-followers or most-views) within the top 50. I would not recommend reading top rated stories. you want to read what people are actually following and paying for (so in that sense, you should go make a list of the biggest patreons and amazon sellers, and read those)
but yes being well-read is always a good idea. find what sorts of sloppa, EXACTLY, inspires you, then go read deeply in that niche. study it and make your own. that's definitely the best path to success.

but making money off art is hard as fuck. any retard can go to college, get a degree, and make money in their field. art is completely merit based, and most people simply aren't very good at what they do. 99% will make pennies. 1% will make good money. 0.1% will absolutely drown in sloppa cash

>>24696080
>>24696085
That makes sense. I only chose sci fi because it's easier to write and be creative with for me personally. Hard scifi is too constraining + a ton of work to do right.

>>24696011
there's an elf and she kills people.

>>24696106
what's the unique twist?

>>24696108
people die when they are killed.

>>24695859
I always know my beginning and ending right away, the stuff in between is what takes effort.

You know what? Fuck it, I'm turning my story into a harem. The insect warrior bro is turning into a tomboyish insect girl. The good aligned male sociopath is going to be a kuudere and the redeemed antagonist is a female goth angel instead of an evil wizard. Maybe throw in some motherly fox girl down the line.
Readers will eat that shit up.

>>24695957
Grim military sci-fi romance aimed at men.

>>24696011
Mike Hammer with a broadsword.

>>24696095
Princess of the Void should probably be first on your list, a successful newer series in the niche you're targeting.

>>24696096
>Yes, i want to read about some dude that sits on the back and watches others fight for +1million words
It really isn't as entertaining as you make it up to be, a 100% support role like that doesn't really work well as a protagonist, his own POV is literally the most boring one and the most passive when action happens in this case
Im willing to bet that you haven't read/liked a story like you just described either

>>24695957
>sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
Don't target men at all.

>>24695697
Cartesian, my good fellow, not descartian. No shame, The Poet's Tongue is a nightmarish labyrinth of exceptions and special cases, and many born to it speak it not as well as you do already despite your cultural handicap.