the only way your isekai MC will truly meet god is if he finds a way to connect back to the original Earth's internet and read FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'

>>24691486
>FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'
it's peak, go read it

>>24691489
I'm currently approximately 6000 pages into Peak of the Mysteries. In a few months once I finish it....

>>24691486
Starting the thread off right kman, wisdom.

>>24691486
reminder to review bomb this poster

>>24691504
0.5 rate bomb deployed sir

>>24691489
the name is kinda pushing me away from even checking it out desu.

PGTS is somewhat interesting but for now it seems like autism POV book, similar to mother of learning. Seems like there's too few authors who can make you feel stuff. Though i'm gonna keep reading there's something interesting about it.


Also thinking back about The Crow and The Rabbit i believe Ferene is just a blatant Ryoka ripoff, with all the "I am le runner" "She was specialized in le running" memes. And how she doesn't like people talking, and how she's a whore. The only difference is that Ferene is super stupid and likes to kill people.

Anon's critique deflection bingo

>It's an unedited first draft
>Post your own work
>I will worry about grammar later, how's the prose?
>I-it's supposed to be bad!
>/wg/ is that way
>It's shit? Perfect, slop readers will love it then!
>I was actually shitposting ironically
>Name your favorite web novel
>My excel sheet says the top 20 at RR are like this
>Name 10 wns published in 2018 that do that. You can't? I accept your concession
>It reads just fine to me

>>24691518
fuck off /wg/ tourist. go infest your own thread

>>24691518
all of these are true though

>>24691511
What are your favorite wn's?

>>24691518
>I will worry about grammar later, how's the prose?
Hilarious. I’ll worry about the first floor later, how’s the penthouse?

>>24691518
you're the fag who gives advice on how to write pulpy web serials when you hate pulpy web serials, aren't you?
your advice is shit and you should stop chiming in when anons post their work. you don't understand what actually matters to readers

>>24691532
Reverend Insanity, Lord of the Mysteries

>>24691532
FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'

>>24691532
I guess Shadow slave, it's the only one i haven't regretted reading. The world and the story is cool but whenever Sunny is trying to improve at swordsmanship it's pretty cringe - it's just "how is he doing that" -> "oh i see" and suddenly he beats the opponent. But there's some emotion. And also the author is bad at writing side characters.

I think if TWI didn't have the super disgusting lizardfucking and bugfucking i would have loved it. I really like the way it's written and the author is good at bringing out emotion. Unfortunately whenever i remember the lizardfucking i get super mad, i couldn't continue reading it.

>>24691511
>blatant Ryoka ripoff
who

>>24691553
I heard that ends with the MC killing god. What a boring conclusion.

>>24691563
it's one of the main characters from The wandering inn.

>>24691559
Hadn't heard of shadow slave I'll check it out thanks for the rec twin

>>24691565
I haven't read it actually. I just know it's my favorite web novel because it gets mentioned so often in my favorite general.

>>24691565
Jacques wouldnt(can't) hurt a fly senpai

>>24691567
never read that.
Ferene is very loosely based on a TTRPG character where I took every trait and ability that increased movement. The running stuff is simply that. I wanted to have writing gimmick so I came up with that line. I tried to include it in every chapter of book 1.

>>24691580
What system was it?

>>24691518
>all replies are seethe
are you guys being ironic
am I missing the joke. all of these things are annoying as fuck and we see them all the time

>>24691580
I can believe that, but i doubt TWI readers would. You keep repeating that she's a runner and that's exactly what TWI author keeps repeating about Ryoka. It gets obnoxious very fast.

Also if you're the author why make Ferene so promiscuous out of nowhere? I mean it's obvious that she's starved for affection but i don't think people would go from not having sex at all to suddenly banging both genders.

It feels kinda meaningless, both for her character and for the story.

>>24691549
read er gen

>>24691580
>Ferene is very loosely based on a TTRPG character
The final fate of all TTRPG players

>>24691602
Where should one start?

>>24691549
people who like chinkshit can't be human. I just don't believe it. I've read LOTM because of the hype and it's so dogshit i will never read chinkshit ever again.

>>24691621
Read a western take on chinkshit instead!

>>24691628
ah yes, nothing like a parody by someone who's never even read what he's parodying

>>24691621
lord of the mysteries is barely chinkshit though.

>>24691609
I've actually only read I Shall Seal the Heavens. So I'll rec that one.
I've heard A Will Eternal and Beyond the Timescape (which he wrote after ISSTH) are good too but haven't had the time yet. Maybe read timescape if you like regression stuff.

>>24691621
You were probably too busy thinking about lizard cocks to get into it anon.

>>24691633
Not everything is satirical!

>>24691628
western take on chinkshit is still better than chinkshit. Chinks couldn't write a good story even if you promised them a lifetime of raw parasites to eat.

>>24691640
It was before i tried reading TWI so no.

>>24691643
journey to the west is the most readable of the cultural classics

>>24691636
It does still have a somewhat janky translation like most of these foreign translated WNs though so you have to have a certain taste for looking past prose to appreciate the plots and whatnot. Same for japanese WNs though.

>>24691650
I like the græcks better

>>24691592
well, at least you have a friend then. because a few of those are genuinely annoying but most of them are valid responses to a /wg/ sperg giving critique while not understanding how web fiction works

>>24691650
water margin is incredibly based until it devolves into boring battleslop near the very end

Is there any audience ar all for a web novel that isn't steeped in cancerous anime or romantasy shit

>>24691665
yes, royalroad

>>24691584
pathfinder. Barbarian so naturally +10ft to movement, then taking the rage power to gain +5 during range, plus taking the feat that gives +5. There might have been that I don't remember off the top of my head.

>>24691597
the journey from the north down south took an amount of time that ended up happening off-screen. There's a whiplash of going from being in a family and having a companion to being alone to being in a position of power over someone else which is a callback to the bandit queen dream. She doesn't want to be the kind of person that abuses the fact she's stronger than others but is able to create a relationship without that. I feel this is important. Velan shows up again later as an important person in her life because he's actually there, unlike Rilya. The bond between Ferene and Velan is built on the fact that he isn't involved in the same kind of violence that permeates her life the way everyone else is so I believe her relationship with him is important to her. She has sex with Rilya because I wanted to write the ear nibbling scene and she is overall more passive in that relationship.

She ends up having a partner of both genders in a short amount of time but after that doesn't go around collecting any more. In book 2 she turns down someone else.

Thank you for reading my story.

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>>24691665
ENTER capeslop

>>24691668
Royalroad litrpg readers are honorary weeaboos though, half the genre conventions are just stolen from translated isekai WNs

>>24691665
>romantasy
web novel authors avoid meaningful romantic relationships like a plague, it's all novelty bugfucking or casual hookups. Or the main character is asexual and all the hints at something are bait to keep you reading.

dungeon crawler carl ruined this genre for me

>>24691663
>it reads just fine to me
is the only one I wouldn't discount as retardation. works on my machine.tm is shallow but it is good for an author to hear, so long as the reader means it
I don't think I've seen this guy's critiques but literally any feedback post will get these kinds of replies, not just bad faith or pseudy ones
writers have thin skin and get insulted easily

>>24691680
True, most of the novels start with the mc meeting god.

Actually annoying behavior:
>It's an unedited first draft
>Post your own work
>I-it's supposed to be bad!
>I will worry about grammar later, how's the prose?

Valid response depending on context:
>/wg/ is that way
>It's shit? Perfect, slop readers will love it then!
>Name your favorite web novel
>My excel sheet says the top 20 at RR are like this
>Name 10 wns published in 2018 that do that. You can't? I accept your concession (Valid in spirit but obviously dramatized; you were clearly called out for being a tourist and/or poser)
>It reads just fine to me

Haven't actually seen it happen:
>I was actually shitposting ironically

>>24691670
but you didn't give the relationship with Velan any time do develop. It was like during one chapter. We don't know jackshit about him. So it's too sudden and feels out of nowhere.

>>24691668
Seeing what's popular on there is not encouraging. Thanks though.

>>24691674
NO GOD FUCK NO GIVE ME THE ANIME

>>24691681
That counts as romantasy in my mind. Maybe I should just call it tumblrslop.

>>24691665
Even trad fantasy is more and more anime these days

>>24691686
>>Name 10 wns published in 2018 that do that. You can't? I accept your concession
I think this hypothetically be valid in the right context (secondary coming in with strong opinions that has no understanding of the medium/genre) but the guy who makes these posts is a turbo sperg who wants to rage reply for hours

>>24691692
>autistic litrpgs with no romance because the readers only wanna read about mc-kun diving dungeons and getting +2 to critical hit rate against lefthanded goblins for 3000 chapters. and the only time another character speaks to mc is to tell them where to grind more xp
>yup, that's honorary romantasy in my mind

>>24691692
>two things which are completely different should be under the same umbrella
anon?

>>24691699
Only time I've seen those style of replies is when some tourist fag is trying to talk about how to write web novels despite clearly despising web novels

>>24691696
I know and I fucking hate it. I grew up reading little newer than Heinlein, Dune, and LOTR so I feel like a man out of time. I recently read (listened to) wheel of time and thought it was terrible dogshit. Jordan just mixed together a bunch of shit with 0 artistic ability or higher purpose. Anime genuinely annoys the shit out of me too.

It seems like obscene levels of trope pandering is the only way to make this stuff work other than MAYBE "traditional" erotica and then you're pandering to the fetishes of 65 year old men.

>>24691703
>>24691704
"In my mind", I'm newish to all this shit and evidently incorrect.

i do think PYF (post your favorites) is a valid gatekeeping response and should always be answered. not even as a judgment of taste for what web novels you like but just to prove you actually read web novels, because there are too many tourists here

I'm a tourist and all the sperging about tourism is really not cool.

>>24691719
read lotm. it will cure your tourism

>>24691713
it's essentially the same as dropping a PYW. there is no "right" answer and an argumentative little fag could nitpick anything

>mum yelled at me again
There goes my schedule for the day

>>24691663
>You don't understand how web fiction works!
I'll add this to the list

>>24691708
>I recently read (listened to) wheel of time
So what you're saying is that you didn't read it.

>>24691725
?
>not even as a judgment of taste for what web novels you like but just to prove you actually read web novels
there is a right answer, and it's having an answer at all.

>>24691729
make sure to mention this reason in the author's note for the first chapter posted after the delay

>>24691736
I don't have the confidence to start anything knowing how easily I flinch, readers will never know about me

>>24691735
how is that proof though? anyone can google for "best web novel" and then post those.

>>24691699
Anon only makes this argument when he knows there are plenty of examples that contradict him, so he tries to limit the acceptable samples to some obscure range and hopes the opponent will give up without actually doing the leg work. Because who the hell would

Is there any audience for a webnovel that's immersed in anime and romantasy kino?

>>24691735
is this your first time posting on 4ch or something
>give a popular story
>reeee you just gave the first answer off google search
>give a niche story
>reeee that's not representative of the norms
if someone wants to get on your case then there is literally no winning. the only way is with an eclectic and diverse selection which could satisfy every possible sperg

>>24691734
Sure, but the words entered my brain just the same.

>>24691752
Yet you claim Dune and LOTR aren't cut from the same slop cloth.

>>24691749
Romance webnovels are few and far between. I only know princess of the void.

>>24691750
name three /wng/ threads you've read where this happened

>>24691757
):<

>>24691713
Any answer only sets up the "you like THAT lmao, your taste is shit and your critique is invalid!"-counter.

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The only way to prove you're not a tourist is by namedropping the most based anon itt.

>>24691764
tina

>>24691764
crow-bro my goat

>>24691764
john

>>24691754
They're not, not even close. The quality of editing (or the lack thereof) alone makes WoT inferior. Jordan had some neat ideas (I like how half the lore is technically fourth wall breaking in a very integrated way) but his execution was poor and he lacked the greatness of mind that both Tolkein and Herbet had. It's a glorifed and massively bloated series of YA novels firmly stuck in 90s America. Honestly even the Hobbit is less juvenile overall.

Dune does get pretty sloppy after the first few books though.

>>24691779
Now this is cope. Tolkien was roasted by his contemporaries for good reason.

i don't think there's a solution but there are definitely regulars here who hate web novel sloppa but infest this thread nevertheless, and try to tell anons how to "fix" their web sloppa with some of the worst advice ive ever seen. those people in specific should go kill themselves (or go back to /wg/, which would be more of a punishment)

>>24691665
No. You VVILL enjoy anime

>>24691764
mysticmeter....

>>24691764
me...

>>24691787
I'm actually not a tourist, just trying to sabotage my rising stars competition. No hard feelings (:

>>24691757
Thought so, for all the seethe about anime supposedly being popular I don't think anyone would like my work because it veers too hard into anime

>>24691794
pyw

>>24691787
Anons' works are as popular as sugar-free lemon juice, for very obvious reasons, but everyone here is very confident how web serials should be written

>>24691798
People like anime tropes, plots, and character archetypes, but they don't like anime-style dialogue or gag comedy or other anime-isms
Basically, it should read like a novel, but wear anime inspirations on its sleeve. That's the recipe for success

>>24691805
But those are all interconnected, you can't have one without the other.
>Basically, it should read like a novel
What type of novel? Because not every novel is meandering paragraphs.

>>24691787
everyone hates some aspects of sloppa
it's slop. it's by definition shitty
if there exists a slop ubermensch that likes everything from crunchy litRPG to capeshit to cultivation slop to slow life harems, then I have not met him

>>24691801
the authors and the readers are two mostly-separate groups.
The readers will tell you what makes something popular because they read the popular things
the writers will write what they want to write because that is what they want to do and most aren't chasing trends.
It is a very clear divide.

>>24691811
>But those are all interconnected, you can't have one without the other.
not at all. Archmage is heavily anime inspired (plot, premise, character types, etc) but reads like a novel

>>24691814
not at all
do you actually think most writers here don't read? that seems obviously and overtly wrong

>>24691782
Not by anyone who mattered, no.
>>24691789
I tried over and over again. Closest I got was enjoying some of the classic older stuff (Akira for example).

>>24691819
>premise
That's as far away from anime as you can get. That's partly why it's such a bore to me, someone who actually likes anime.

>>24691822
>not at all
jinx, you owe me a coke

>>24691824
personally I like anime a lot but find prose trying to ape it very unpleasant

>>24691825
the /wng/ hivemind...

>>24691827
Sounds to me like you don't enjoy anime if you think archmage counts.

>>24691824
it's a standard premise but only because anime recruits from light novels which recruit from web novels
the anime -> web novel pipeline is a circle
it's not fundamental, you don't have to write or read anime, but that ecosystem is completely entangled

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>>24691814
most of the readerposts itt aren't actually interested in reading the rising stars opmc litrpg meta. there was one anon who posted is follow list and it was like 9 outta 10 litrpgs though

also lol i just checked RS and there's one with a blatant ESLism in the title & cover. it's in like the top 5 if you dont count monster girl evolution too

>>24691831
>if you think archmage counts.
count as...anime inspired? it's definitely anime inspired dude, the author outright says that
>you don't enjoy anime
shit, i guess you get to decide that for me just because I don't share your opinion on this matter lol. never mind the shitloads of titles I've watched

i like anime, but i don't like LNs and eastern WNs. I prefer my prose to read like a novel, not some bastardized aping of a visual medium

>>24691844
>not some bastardized aping of a visual medium
this is the biggest thing that separates the wheat from the chaff
japs are built different (retarded) and don't mind, but it is so fucking bad if you write that way in english. repulsively bad
it's something that bad writers do intuitively because their imagination is based on visual mediums and you can get a huge leg up by having even the smallest ability to work in prose

my favorite anime is kuzu no honkai which anime inspired wns do i read for relationship melodrama and mentally ill love triangles

>>24691844
>the author outright says that
Telling and showing are two very different things.
>>24691847
>muh prose
average westoid lol

>>24691856
oh no are you the isekai fag?

>>24691848
I hate to recommend this because I just had an awful fucking time reading it, but katalepsis
it has a cool setting, is competently written, has an enjoyable cast of characters, but is bogged down by constant mental illness and relationship anxiety. if that's an appealing thing for you then you might like it

>>24691857
Prose is a meme and you know it.

>>24691860
>anime inspired
nevermind im retarded
blue core?

>>24691822
>do you actually think most writers here don't read?
no, that isn't what I said.
The writers are more likely to have read things similar to their writing or other interests, which as already established isn't similar to what is popular.
I do not think that the people writing are the ones who respond to suggestions(aside from FFF-anon or people pretending to be FFF-anon to tell you to read FFF-class Unlucky Antagonist, which you should read btw) or are the people who have posted their thoughts on both the current trending novels and the historically popular web novels.
The most likely writers to have read the big web novels are Asako or the other unrevealed illumanti members(who are NOT the 2digit/3digit follower writers that were disparaged as unpopular)

>>24691862
this guy got bullied by /wg/ and never recovered
a writer saying prose is a meme is like an artist saying lines and colors are a meme

>>24691848
There's a metric fuckton of slop like that in Japanese

>>24691864
I actually did read and like that one. I'll check out katalepsis too.

>>24691862
speaking as a well read sloppa enthusiast, I definitely drop lots of stories because I dislike the dialogue and prose. just because you don't care doesn't mean readers as a whole don't, that's a very low iq equivalence to make.
but you don't even read english original web novels you said, so of course we're talking past each other. people who can read unedited, MTL translated slop obviously have low standards

>>24691877
it's not anime at all but it is VERY mentally ill and has relationship melodrama out the ass

>>24691873
Oh, my condolences. You don't need to let them bully you like that.
>>24691880
You don't even read novels like Eternal Champion. I have no clue who you're talking about.

what if isekai fag is F-anon?

I'd read more LN slop but the prose is so painfully fucking bad
I think part of the reason Overlord is popular and beloved is that it's merges a normal prose form and light novel form into something readable
>>24691889
>argumentative
>gets confused on points during his own arguments
>talks past people with non-sequitur
it's a bit everyone-is-FFF-schizo of you but yeah, I could see it

>>24691862
>Prose is a meme
Are you the guy who's constantly recommending random untranslated chinese/korean novels and reading them through your browser's MTL function.
There are so many novels i've seen with interesting premises and then passed up on just because the fan translator was posting stilted MTL'd chapters, I can't get into it unless the quality of the language is at least a little bit above the absolute minimum.

>>24691876
Is there? I mostly see shounen romcom harems in japanese WNs which is a totally different flavor. Even the otome-game isekai ones are mostly reverse harem where everybody loves FeMC.

>>24691889
FFF is employed I think. Isekaifag is, very likely, the neet from a handful of threads ago.

>>24691899
this is 4 channel dot org we have a lot more than 1 neet per 3 threads. you're gonna have to specify

We need more harem novels, preferably with old men and young, fertile women...

>>24691899
FFF posts at weird hours and I've seen him rage replying to a post I made in the morning, then came home to see him keeping the reply chain going

>>24691898
Not that guy.

>>24691904
The one that always posted Index reaction images, then switched to Ika Musume, as if no one could tell they were the same person. The one too paranoid to namedrop his fiction.

I admit to writing things that aren't at all similar to what's popular
I like what I like

animepic posters are my favorite of the anons desu

brave, so brave

>>24691907
Are the women allowed to be in love with each other too or is that too degenerate

>>24691921
>my crow boywife posts anime reaction images
hell yeah brother

>>24691910
He's central/east European, that may be weird hours depending on your timezone. Never stopped to notice the hours he posts, honestly.

So is Critical Roleplay decent or just reactionary slop? It's somehow still topping RS

>>24691935
its written by an author with over 10k followers on a different story. idk if its decent but the author is clearly a slopsmith, at least

>>24691935
I feel like RS hasn't been usable for years
I've lost all faith in it, especially since it got gamed by the monster evo spam

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>>24691938
It's either not the author you're thinking of or I'm missing some lore. INB4 it's OccultRhythm's alt.

>>24691941
its written by the author of small time villainess, new pen

>>24691944
I see. Well, they just proved being a capable slopper, that's for sure.

>>24691939
>implying
monster evo spam just made the gaming obvious.
40+ of the top 50 RS at any moment were already pulling the same shoutout swap advertising strategies

>successful writers leveraging the system designed to promote organic growth
>successful writers creating alt accounts to push stories outside of their established niche
>all backed by closed doors in-groups that use their audiences for each other to make sure they all stay ahead
AAAAAAA
ITS TRADPUB ALL OVER
BURN IT ALL DOWN

>>24691960
why are you complaining an author made a new pen name and succeeded from a blank slate? CR didn't even get shout outs, just like archmage didn't. this should be good news to you

>>24691944
>small-time villainess
Damn, I knew it. Characters keep studying each other.

>>24691968
I find it hard to believe they did it organically
there was that guy who relaunched his shitty soccer thing and told his audience on discord to pump all his metrics. got him on RS and on best ongoing for bit
if they did do it all on their own, then great, but I really really doubt it

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I'm honeslty tired of the evo girl/cabal talk.
>Just be very good
I'm trying T_T.

>>24691978
i can't say for sure if CR did but archmage definitely didn't
I'll go check google real quick to see if CR had shoutouts. The author himself definitely didn't self-shout because it wasn't until the story was at #1 that he made an announcement about how he was actually the author
ill check for shouts but i'm nearly certain it was organic success. it's rare but it does happen anon, you don't NEED to game the system. i myself didn't have to, i just bought an ad and that was enough

>>24691987
dare I hope? is it safe to dream?

>>24691989
i don't see any shout outs, and that makes sense because shouts are almost always swaps, and the author didn't do any advertising inside his story either. it was almost definitely just a marketable story that succeeded naturally. it might not have even run an ad

>>24691987
The cover for Archmage is somewhat striking, at least more eye-catchy than 99% of other stuff. And the premise is somehow both completely unoriginal, yet completely vacant in western isekai. And the premise is meta-perfect.

As for CR, it's probably a combination of piggybacking off Archmage, and right place, right time, posted right with the evo girl shitstorm, but avoiding all the flak; seethers likely boosted CR out of spite.

What the fuck is CR? Stop using your shitty abbreviations

>>24692028
bitch scroll up and read the conversation, we're abbreviating it because it's the topic at hand and we're not gonna type it out each time

>have an idea
>write a chapter
>think on it for a few days
>lose all faith and feel like it's super cringe
>have a new idea
>write a chapter
>repeat infinitum
help me. im drowning. im sick. im unwell. im a broken and pitiful man and I don't know what to do

>>24691960
we need to move to the ao3 system with absolutely no "algorithm" or site-generated recommendations of any kind.
of course even then the authors with large offsite discord communities will promote more and get more views though it won't be quite so compounding

>>24692035
Outline.

>>24692053
I do
the issue isn't lack of vision, it's that I think the vision is cringe and lame and I lose faith in it

>>24692050
>we need to move to the ao3 system with absolutely no "algorithm" or site-generated recommendations of any kind.
this only works for ao3 because people heavily use tags for their stupidly specific (harry potter/draco malfoy, slow burn, enemies to lovers) shipfic fantasies. having no algorithm is dogshit for a reader, and while authors might appreciate the equal footing, the site would die as readers flock to sites that have at least some sort of curation, flawed as it might be

I've written a million first chapters. I start writing and then lose all drive to continue. Anyone else?

>>24692087
sort of, for me it's usually tons and tons of 'starts' to the stories between 5 to 30k words, but never going past that
i cured that curse by posting, the story doing well, then having to commit to the schedule
are there any ideas you got further with than the rest?

>>24692087
literally me
it's like the phenomena where you tell someone your plans then lose all the drive to follow through on your plans
except I actually start and it happens anyways

>>24691923
That's too degenerate and readers will feel cucked

>>24692091
Not really. It's always the same: I start in on a scene and when I reach a natural stop place, I end the chapter, eat lunch, and I can't pick it up afresh. No matter how much I enjoy the idea at the start, by the time I've left off working it's palled considerably. I think I need some external push like you said, someone I can be responsible to. But I'm not sure I have the nerve to publish a story without a backlog of chapters to rely on. At the first sign of slowdown I'd start to panic.

>>24692160
It's normal for new stories to have a "new car" feel and be exciting for that. Writing isn't a 24/7 dopamine rush, it will be frustrating and difficult and you won't like it at times. Push through

>>24691923
That would be a polyamory story, not a harem
Some people like and even prefer it, but it is not harem

only the most mentally ill individuals get upset at the prospect of seeing their 2 girlfriends make out

>>24692224
it might not technically be a harem but would harem readers be upset if the harem label was used for a book where the women are romantic with each other?

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Some chaps might 1.2k words. others will be 6.7k. Who fucking cares how long a scene is?

>>24692240
Sexual interactions aren't the same as romantic ones. Straight couples will have FFM threesomes but that doesn't mean the M would be happy if the two Fs started dating. Sex is sex, romance is romance

>>24692247
mentally ill gymnastics

>>24692243
either the insecure or the exploitative
if it's good it's good

>>24692249
you yourself are mentally ill if you can't see the difference between kissing and being in love with someone

>Oh I don't read that because the chapters are too short
Said no one ever.

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>>24691764
I dare say that one fellow who shares his necromancer high fantasy now and then is pretty cool guy. What was the name of his novel? BORN UNDER A BLACK SUN or something like that anyway, haha…
nah, best poster here is Transmigrated as a mech anon, they actually read other’s stuff

>>24692258
You can't tell narratively satisfying story chunks in 400 words each chapter, anon

>>24692268
>he doesn't write flash slop
ngmi

>>24692268
Yeah you can.

>>24692268
You don't need to. The Next Chapter button was invented for a reason.

i think this desperation to believe that tiny chapters can work in a web novel stems from pure unadulterated laziness
just write a proper chapter you slothful fucks

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>>24692266
>best poster here is Transmigrated as a mech anon
Thank you... you too...
I don't read everything people post though, just what interests me. Also I'm a hack that still hasn't read Crow nor Maid, even if I've been saying that I would read for weeks at this point.
But my excuse this time is that I'm too busy writing to even read the fictions that I follow.
Also, when is the next Teren's Bizarre Adventure book dropping? You just didn't tease us a sequel to leave us hanging, did you?

>>24692242
some of them would prefer it, some schiz out that they're being cuckolded. depends on how much of a lonely male power fantasy the rest of the story is

>>24692302
>depends on how brown they are
ftfy

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>>24692294
It should be soon. I haven’t read a book in ages because I’m all or nothing– either reading nonstop or writing nonstop. So I’m gonna bang out Sanderson’s Isles of the Emberdark before I start book two. And maybe I’ll also read a Knight of the Seven kingdoms. So probably a few days to a week before Teren starts his trek from Cavewater to Istal.
however, I’m going to juggle a second protagonist with his own point of view– Baltry’s cousin from East Cicada, an Iguana skinswitcher

>>24692242
Some would be, most wouldn't. Just write a warning about FF romance/Yuri being part of the story and you're good

>>24692343
Nice, looking foward to it! Also, I've noticed that your rating went up with the ending of the first book, hope that attracts more readers.

I'm dividing my book into 900-word chapters because that's how long I can write at a stretch without tuckering out. Whether or not there's a narrative reason for it, the chapter will unalterably end at 900 words.

>>24692378
to thine own self be true

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Serious question, do you anons think there is a market for furry/anthro chracters in webnovels? Do furfags even read webnovels?
Also any furry/anthro webnovels that contain those characters?

I'm pondering here.

>>24692351
It did! It seems like asking people to leave a review/rating actually works

>look for webnovels similar to my own idea
>find some
>see one
>get utterly mogged
Why should I even try?

>>24692383
Depends on how large their breasts are

>>24692254
There is no difference. You only kiss those you love.

>>24692403
>t. virgin

>>24692383
There's "A Chronicle of Lies" but that's scaly, and it's a good story that happens to be attracting that public (probably because the author is one).
Don't think there's enough public to pick a story that's just pandering to them though.
>>24692391
Yes, you miss all the shots you don't take and so on.

>>24692383
all about tone. don't think anybody would care if you're writing nonhumanoids like drakes and foxgirls and centaurs or whatever else, even if they're the MCs. but if there's a gross fetish feel to the descriptions, it would be a major turn off to most readers
if the writing is good enough, you can make anything work though

>>24692391
2 cakes meme

>>24692426
You didn't see the updated version of it yet?

>>24692430
nah post

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>>24692433
The truth they don't want you to know

>>24692436
but there's only a limited amount of the better cake so they WILL eat and enjoy the worse cake too

>>24692436
holy blackpill

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>>24691769
pic related
a reminder that until you actually get that awesome cover art there's a way to get middling mediocrity until such time as your cover art dreams come true.

>>24692441
I was in a two cakes situation once. Nobody bothered.

>>24692449
>THIEF OF what happens when you push a man too far SOULS

>>24692436
It's not joever. it's MEOWOVER.

>>24692454
high octane sounding good work tina, break neck pacing guaranteed

>>24691518
>The post that buckbroke /wng/

>>24692383
Wandering Inn has the gnolls, ant people and lizard people as major characters but it doesn't get furry fetishy about them so I dunno how much it appeals to a furry audience.

>>24692403
But I've kissed several women in my life and only love myself

It has that but its more about first survival then strategy. I think revenge is the number one thing.

>slapping together a cover for an unfinished book to hype myself up
Have I finally become a hack author?

>>24692436
literally true
I've brought my ugly (but delicious) baked goods to events before and they've been barely touched

>>24692483
>Have I finally become a hack author?
we're all hack authors until we're not. You need something to do that you're working but you can take a break from writing. Playing with cover art is fun and its never a waste of time. Even if you get pro art one day you now have reference work to show some idea of what you like.

>>24692483
fun things are fun!

>>24692383
Probably, SSC looked like it was going to hit the front page of RS before the cabal started rigging things, and the author had a couple other furry romance stories hit RS. Sure it's not as big as SysApoc or Cultivation, but I can at least think of a couple authors that were able to support themselves off furry web novels

It turns out if you write a story that fixes all the shit that people complain about, they don't read it because it doesn't have the shit they complain about in it.

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>>24692571
Shocking truth!

the only reason people dont read my stories is because im too smart and cool

The only reason people don't read my stories is because I don't write

I unironically believe that there is basically nothing wrong with my writing as far as webnovels go and that my relative lack of success (compared to those more successful than I am) can be chalked up entirely to my (incorrect) choice to not invest a bunch of effort into marketing and setting up a launch ahead of time to rig it in my favor (not as in "le evil manipulation" i don't think there's anything wrong with trying to make sure the launch is as successful as possible)

>>24692628
So relaunch, man. People do it all the time

The reasons people don't read your stories is because they are shit, and / or they never look at them in the first place.

all popularity is random

>>24692652
my dice must be loaded then

>>24692632
unironically can't because the book in question already got published and stubbed, it would be pointless and rr doesn't discount ads for such cases
i'm retrying with a new project tho

>>24692632
Not that anon, but I would relaunch but the potential to flop and not gain any followers is putting me off.

bros you ever have a dream and it's better than your reality so you go back to sleep and try to dream again.

Is chatgpt being retarded with this calculation?

--

We can estimate the contribution of your followers to your total views. Since you have 630 followers and the average follower might read ~60–80% of chapters, we can make a rough calculation.

Step 1: Estimate views from followers

Let’s assume each follower reads every chapter on average. You have 166 chapters.

Average views per follower if they read all chapters once:

166
chapters
×
630
followers
=
104
,
580
viewsfromfollowers
166chapters×630followers=104,580viewsfromfollowers

If followers read 60–80% of chapters, the follower contribution is:

104
,
580
×
0.6
=
62
,
748
views(lowestimate)
104,580×0.6=62,748views(lowestimate)
104
,
580
×
0.8
=
83
,
664
views(highestimate)
104,580×0.8=83,664views(highestimate)

So roughly 63k–84k views come from followers.

Step 2: Views from non-followers

Total views = 380,957

Subtract estimated follower views:

380
,
957
−
63
,
000
≈
317
,
957
(lowestimate)
380,957−63,000≈317,957(lowestimate)
380
,
957
−
84
,
000
≈
296
,
957
(highestimate)
380,957−84,000≈296,957(highestimate)
Insight

Only 16–22% of your total views are from your followers.

The majority (~78–84%) of views come from non-followers—people discovering your story organically.

This is a very strong indicator of discoverability, but it also shows that you could potentially increase long-term retention and engagement by converting more of these casual readers into followers.

If you want, I can make a graph showing follower vs non-follower contributions over time to visualize this trend. Do you want me to do that?

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>>24692769
Same question but in an image form to stop formatting going to shit. I think the top 766 is meant to be 166 btw.

SR2HR

>>24692776
what is retarded about the calculation? i didn't check the actual numbers but they seem reasonable and the logic looks right

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>Character A: "Can you even use a gun? No, let me rephrase that, can you use a gun and hit anything with it?"

>Character B: “I see it I hit it, I’m like a nympho chimp hopped up on gas station dick pills. Been putting lead in heads since y’all even became a type-1 civilization. Make Scanners look like a fucking joke the way I reach out and touch a motherfucker.”

rate on a scale of sharpie hair draculas (not how good or bad it is, but whether it sounds like dracula flow. if it's bad but sounds like dracula flow that's the ideal outcome.)

>>24692769
>>24692776
First thing to keep in mind is the 1:9:90 rule—1% create for every 9% that engage for 90% that lurk. So it's natural that a lot of people will not follow your fiction. Some will look up your fiction and read without following (maybe they don't have an accout), others will binge all the chapters and not give a following. You can't turn every single reader into a follower, don't lose sleep over that.
I think it's not very correct to try and guesstimate your reader retention over a long period of time spread around so many chapters. Think about it: at the start, lots of readers will pick up a fiction and give it a chance, dropping as time goes by for any reason (maybe they didn't like the story, or they got upset by some choice). So your average view is higher at the start because it's inflated by those readers. And it's lower at the ends because the casual viewer has not seen it.
Look at chapters you've posted recently, give a week or so and tally the views. Then keep doing that for every chapter release (I suppose RR must have it in their stat tools). That will tell you how many actual readers you are getting.

If you want more followers, I would say to get more eyes. How's your marketing game? Have you posted other works in other genres and tried feeding the new blood into that?Shoutouts, ads or shilling on reddit?

>>24691779
>They're not, not even close. The quality of editing (or the lack thereof) alone makes WoT inferior.
Wheel of time eclipses both Dune and Lotr. The fact that the series juggled hundreds of characters and many pov chapters nigh flawlessly, while maintaining excellent pacing for six books is an achievement.

I like DUNE but the moment book 1 ends all of its complexity is crunched down as it just becomes a collection of themes.

Lotr is fine, but there's nothing great about it but nothing bad on the other hand.

Also the lore is not fucking breaking the fourth wall. Robert Jordan just comments on the nature of legends and how events get distorted with distance.
>massively bloated series of YA novels firmly stuck in 90s America
There's nothing YA about wheel of time. Can you guys stop throwing around YA for shit you don't like, while devaluing the actual meaning for the term?

>>24692815
too coherent, needs an overly verbose aside about weed

>>24692294
Are you open to criticism, mech anon? I'm reading through right now.

>>24692843
Sure, I wrote it months ago, so I recognize it's not good.

>>24692843
Also, the dialogue tags are fucked, I really didn't know proper usage when I wrote it. I'll fix that when I launch it on Scribblehub
And I'll use proper em dashes.
Sorry you had to put up with that.

>>24692846
>>24692851
It's good that you are aware of the issue, and don't worry, everyone's been there. Putting yourself out there is a step many never take, and it's how you get better. The main thing I wanted to say was there's a lot of run on sentences and overuse of commas.
Here's an example

Mister control guy, Gustave was his name, I was learning just now, greeted us with a forced smile, an holographic map of Japan by his side showed the position of every active mech, areas dashed in red showed where the Kaiju prowled and naturally, where no human habitation could take place.

The way that's written doesn't give the reader a breather. It can be broken down into a few smaller sentences with some small changes.

Mister control guy, Gustave as I was just now learning, greeted us with a forced smile.
A holographic map of Japan by his side showed the position of every active mech.
Areas dashed in red showed where the Kaiju prowled, and naturally, where no human habitation could take place.

That's all. Aside from that, I felt that Thirteen goes along with everything a bit too quickly, but that's more nitpicky about the structure. I dig the idea and don't think I've seen anything similar before, so points for creativity. I'll finish up the rest of your story sometime this week and drop a rating/review.

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>>24692895
Oh, thank God, I was getting nervous that I fucked something royally.
>The main thing I wanted to say was there's a lot of run on sentences and overuse of commas.
Yeah, that was an issue that was pointed out to me when I posted the first chapter of my next (now frozen) fiction: Jeweler. One anon said that I had poor sentence structure and recommended me How to Write a Sentence. Since them, I've been more mindful of how I write—as to prevent such issues.
>That's all. Aside from that, I felt that Thirteen goes along with everything a bit too quickly, but that's more nitpicky about the structure.
No, I think that's a fair criticism. I could've explored Thirteen's personality better, I didn't want to write him too much as a coward, as the story wouldn't go from there. But I do think he goes along too quickly.
That's an issue that I think my writing/story skills have is that they progress too quickly—what other's would write in three chapters I write in one.
>I dig the idea and don't think I've seen anything similar before
It started on a whim, one anon on /sffg/ was complaining that there wasn't enough kaiju stories and I agreed, got really on the mood for writing and this was born.
>I'll finish up the rest of your story sometime this week and drop a rating/review.
You don't need to bother really. I also think it falls of in the middle, but people found the ending satisfying enough. More than anything, I hope you enjoy it.

Also, I got another review today, I suppose someone from here followed and RR put on the recommended. So thanks everyone. Back when I posted I got really dishearted by the apparent lack of interest, but it has really fueled me into writing.
Especially a fellow mech author (you know who you are), thanks so much man.

>>24692513
>SSC
?

>>24692912 (me)
Also, please don't think I glazed over the run-in sentences part: it is somewhat fucking royally as it weakens the prose. But I meant to say that it's an issue that I'm aware of, so the fact that you criticised that has placated me somewhat.
It's something really basic for a writer, but I didn't know it was a problem at the time. I'm very thankful at your critics, you're really thoughtful.

>>24692914
Just looked at RS to check what that anon was talking about.
Erm: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/129134/stupid-sexy-cryptids-or-how-i-became-the-emperor

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>>24691915
I'm pretty sure I'm not isekai-fag.
I only chimed in to name drop a few isekais, including the assassin is a noble one, and then dipped to do other stuff.

Sadly I only wrote 2k words today: I was suffering from caffeine induced dehydration and alarm clock induced sleep deprivation, so today was an easy day and I feel much better. Tomorrow I will try to write 4k again.

>>24692571
i hate that this is the absolute truth

>>24693002
You still need something compelling to draw people in. A void also lacks stuff people complain about. But it lacks hooks.

would readers on RR like an MC who progresses in a way that’s almost entirely separate and out of context to the way everyone else in the setting does so?

>ie. MC gets stronger through unlocking better and unique equipment
>everyone else learns battle arts, magic, etc. to get stronger

>>24693041
yes, this would be a good way to make MC special and would go over well if done even half-competently

>>24693044
Heh.

>>24693041
Make sure to give the readers the power fantasy they want: make your antagonists utterly hateable, give your MC aura-farming moments. Make side characters suck his dick and praise him. Always remember: asspulls are okay.

>>24693041
>MC who progresses in a way that’s almost entirely separate and out of context to the way everyone else in the setting does
Isn't that just Solo Leveling?

>>24693051
prease undastand, i have mostly consumed chink system/fast upgrade based wns with MCs who btfo the antagonist of the chapter/arc through completely outside of context nonsense.

>>24692648
Fake, FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is peak.

>>24691592
>are you guys being ironic
/wg/ niggers are annoying, they keep on posting here because their general is dead.

>>24691518
I didn’t do any of this last thread. Do I win anything?

>>24692571
Mostly cause you only market it as that so you end up with something like the beware of chicken knock offs where it’s just xianxia without any story elements so it goes nowhere immediately

>>24693041
>ie. MC gets stronger through unlocking better and unique equipment
>everyone else learns battle arts, magic, etc. to get stronger
Overgeared

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>>24692436
This is more accurate tho

>>24693041
i would like a litrpg about a charisma build character

>>24693278
don't remind me

>>24693278
>Rising Stars

>>24693041
besides solo leveling there are other litrpgs that do the "mc advances in a totally different way" thing, for example Ultimate Level 1 where the MC "can't level up" (oh no!) but he can steal stats and skills from dead monsters so it doesnt really matter and he gets strong as fuark anyway.

and i think there's at least a few about archmage isekai'd to culviation world or cultivation man in litrpg exp farming world or whatever

>>24693304
Can you name any of those archmage in xianxia land ones? I liked essence of cultivation a lot.

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>>24693308
I haven't actually read any in that genre but it was on my mind because I spotted this one while browsing scribblehub. No clue whether it's any good.

>>24693313
this is trash

>>24693322
Damn :(

Is imperial wizard any decent?

>>24692571
Tropes are there for a reason.

>>24692769
I never "follow" a story. I don't even log in, I just read it. A story has to be really good for me to log in to want to rate it.

>>24692764
Yes, every day. I go to sleep daydreaming about cuddling with this cute elf girl.

>>24692648
How did you write in italic?

Amitabha, Householders. This lowly monk has been contemplating the Precepts in seclusion for the past week.

During this one's absence, what has transpired in the realm of /wng/ ?

>>24693664
Netflix announced the FFF-CLASS UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST adaptation

>>24693664
Some Royal Road authors made an experiment to see if they could take over the Rising Stars ranking for themselves, they succeed, but apparently it didn't do much for their patreons or popularity and have come to regret it
Or at least that's what an anon here told me

>>24693707
It was a silly experiment, but honestly, who wants to be stuck writing "Holy Cow Evolution" for years?

>>24693707
It was actually funny reading about it on reddit, all the weird reddit authors who thought it was a splendid idea to spam and then the readers, even when being redditors, rightfully called out the cuntyness to much butthurt from the authors.

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Im making a Cultivation story, one centered around a thigh knitted group of sworn brothers, some met while they were kids and some later in life
How much time should i dedicate on a childhood arc? Should i even do it and start with their friendship already implied?
I am asking from the perspective of the audience, how much do they enjoy stories of training arcs and forging friendships (in childhood)? Its all low stakes focusing in getting strong and introducing some major characters, while trying to keep the training short and to the point, a detailed explanation of what their doing and then move on
OR, i could just start them at teens and have their group dynamics and power sets already in place

>>24693742
Depends on wym by childhood arc, are we starting in a sect's trials or in a random mortal village? It'd be cute to see different walks of life bonding in a sect trial hunter exam style

>>24693742
You Will Never Be Chinese

>>24693742
skip the angsty teen shit. jump straight into the gay bro gangbang.

>>24693742
as always, the answer is: it depends on execution
if you're confident you can do a good childhood arc, then do it
Don't get me wrong though, implying deep bonds without them developing on page beforehand isn't any easier. It's a different skill to depict that convincingly.
from what you've said, I think your story would benefit from one

>>24693707
Weeks ago a post in /wng/ had assessed this very scenario
>This is like getting ten donut trucks parked right next to each other. Readers will get pissed after the first few and just walk away while thinking "more of the same."
Anons were doomposting about joint genre cabal releases being the next meta but if your post is accurate they just came off as a bunch of irksome squatters on the trending list.

>>24693775
Small, almost Middle-size city for the setting, a small clan compound competing against other 2 for dominance
But the backgrounds are pretty different
Grandson of a middle ranking guard in the compound
Eldest son of a construction worker (or some other poor background) with many children, strict father
Farmer's son with loving parents, away from the city
The less talented twin son of an influential figure in the clan
The arc would focus in these characters meeting for the first time and form a group to get strong and support each other

>>24693796
I want the childhood arc to show some of the teams goals and hang-ups and all the training they do without having to repeat myself too much
Ultimately, they all want strength, fame and money in different ratios, but they enjoy each other's company and the journey to get there

>>24693794
No, i think some angst is necessary, but it should be private and without the melodrama

>>24693742
Just do small stories in flashbacks imo

>>24693811
write it anyway, enjoy the process
even if it doesn't all appear in the arc itself, you can repurpose some of it

>>24693808
I checked around and while there's not much buzz on the actual rr reddit, genre-specific ones were very affected by the drama to the point other authors also got tangled in, and like one summed up there:
>At the end of the day, anyone can write a book. Not necessarily a good one, but without an audience, you're just someone putting words on paper, and this pissed off enough people the negativity was deserved. It's in a lot of ways no different to when any company runs a stupid marketing stunt and it blows up in their face.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/1n04ghv/x_girl_evo_misconceptions/

>>24693812
i fucking hate flashbacks, sorry

>>24693811
I'm really interested on what you have cooking there hope you update us when you have something released.

>>24693831
Thanks anon, i will try to keep it entertaining

>>24693811
Have you thought about the underlying Conflict of this childhood arc and how it might have a knock-on effect on the "present"? It can be low stakes but simply going through the motions of training and goal-setting and good old-fashioned hot-blooded brotherhood won't be enough

>>24693844
Will you have an MC or will it be loosely based around the entire group? And how standard do you plan to go with the cultivation systems & setting?

>>24693822
I do too, if they are too long. Small snippets, or couple of chapters, every once in a while don't bother me though

>>24693808
>Readers will get pissed after the first few and just walk away while thinking "more of the same."
Well, fact is that they still occupy RS with 1000+ more viewers per week. Those donuts have takers

>>24693851
>Will you have an MC or will it be loosely based around the entire group?
There will be an Isekai MC as the linchpin of the group, not everyone will get the same amount of screentime but the group is "joined by the hip" for most of the story
They're not dependent of the MC to do everything, everyone has their own niche to fill in combat, crafting and social situations, the MC depends on them as much as they depend on him
Often those talents overlap and work together for better results, they plan everything in group but they're pretty independent if left to their own devices
I want the group to always stay pro-active
>And how standard do you plan to go with the cultivation systems & setting?
Fairly standard for both, but im undecided on whether or not have something like "Talent Rankings" or not
Fate, Fortune and Misfortune are an important part of the story and setting, so someone having something like "Level 10 Talent" (the most fortunate) or Talent Level 0 (unable to cultivate) at birth makes sense, but my story is about people that have neither Fate, Fortune or Misfortune and have to go out of their way to find either and keep up with people that have them in overwhelming amounts
So i thought i could make Talent be a completely individual characteristic unrelated from the Heavens, and instead of some "orb of talent measure" that tells if you can cultivate or not, Talent instead is measured by how fast they can move up in their cultivation

>>24693848
>Have you thought about the underlying Conflict of this childhood arc and how it might have a knock-on effect on the "present"?
Not as much as i would like, i'll have to work on it
>It can be low stakes but simply going through the motions of training and goal-setting and good old-fashioned hot-blooded brotherhood won't be enough
Im not going though absolutely everything they do, some will be just commented offhandedly to save time, the main idea is to use the training and small goals to change locations and meet new people and new things for them to do, and in the process, gain an unintentional reputation as good-for-nothing bullies/hooligans/wastrels, basically their unwanted reputation motivates them to work for fame harder

>>24693947
Monster girl / monster evolution stories were underwritten compared to their expected audience. There was an identifiable market gap. Of course the couple thousand fans are slobbering all over it. I'm one of them.

>>24693848
Great point. One idea to add characterization and future plot relevance to the childhood arc is to have the antagonist of the story as a whole initially be part of the group of child sworn brothers, but he betrays them and harms them all in some way. Later, as new bros join, it's instant tension and conflict because they didn't actually experience the betrayal; perhaps one new bro doesn't feel it viscerally and can be seduced against the others, perhaps another bro hates the bad guy unreservedly and doesn't have the slightest shred of kindness/hesitation that the dudes who remember him before the betrayal do.

>>24693947
The point of getting to rising stars is that it passively gives you frontpage views until the fic's "new fic" status withers, that's the prime reward for gaming the algorithm in the first place. We can only make a fair assessment once their numbers standardize

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>>24693664
Some juniors have been engaging in intense debate over the nature of the reincarnation in another world genre. Remain vigilant of circular arguments.
>>24693947
This bittest black pill for me. I knew that RS was gamed, but not to that extent.

Is naming my fiction 'IsekaiSlop' a good idea or nah?

>>24694058
Awful, might be a decent ad tho.

>>24694058
Go further young man. I give this title to you to use for good or evil: 'Slopsekai'

>>24693958
Too bad I wasn't able to write my monster girl story in time. Time to give up.

>>24694058
Could work, but you either have to play it straight serious or go full parody, no inbetween. And 'slop' seems to be more about AI shit than 4chan's usage of the term.

>>24694079
>>24694060
Bog Standard Isekai did it well, at least

>>24694081
I didn't read it because it was hiatus/dropped/whatever. How did it play, besides the title?

>>24694082
I've only read the first two books. It might not say much considering the playing field, but it is a couple steps above the average isekai writing-wise.

I'm not writing isekai, progression, cultivation, or LitRPG. Yet steadily growing on RR simply by posting chapters consistently. You can do it too.

>>24694089
The joke's on you, I'm growing without even posting anything

>>24694073
I was surprised more authors didn't try to jump on the train. Only one made a serious effort as far as I can tell, though two others are making a half-hearted attempt (I've given them all five star reviews to encourage them, of course). The subsubgenre really isn't that popular with writers.

>>24694089
>Yet steadily growing on RR simply by posting chapters consistently
Seriously underrated strategy. Consistency and maybe an ad or two is easily enough to get you in the top 10,000, and then it's all about how good your premise, hook, and writing are. [It's Serialized] is as powerful as they say.

changing all my em-dashes to en-dashes to escape the AI accusations

>>24694083
>writing-wise
By writing you mean prose.

>>24694058
Already been done, Revenge of the Slop King. Not doing particularly well.

>>24694155
Good writing is more than just prose; it's structure, style, character voices, etc.

Maybe I'll dissect my own tradpub-designed novel and stuff sections of it with filler of every idle thought I have to transmogrify it into a webnovel. Genius or what?

>>24694163
Yet it wasn't good enough for you to keep reading

>>24694164
terrible idea
true slop must come directly from the slop dantian. what you're describing will only ever be sludge

>>24694167
argumentative fag

>>24694170
Are you... Scared?

>>24694167
Only 2 books were released when I read it. When the third book was released, I couldn't remember the details well enough to enjoy it so I didn't continue. Left in the TBR for when it's finished.

>>24694164
>Maybe I'll dissect my own tradpub-designed novel and stuff sections of it with filler of every idle thought I have to transmogrify it into a webnovel. Genius or what?
instead of filler per se consider inserting little sub-plots that end up going nowhere. Any mystery has you wondering where to even start. You could now going back even "weave" i the true answer. Now the filler is filled out and there's a lot of plot to keep the reader guessing until its time to reveal the correct path. You can do some foreshadowing as you weave this in too.

>>24694163
>character voices
on edit-reading passes I find myself stopping and fussing over dialog. I want to be able to just "hear the voice" in the movie in my head. Once enough of the typos are taken care of I can concentrate on that.

>>24694142
>The subsubgenre really isn't that popular with writers.
it's unpopular with writers because while it gets followers easily, it doesn't monetize well (and by that I mean horribly relative to most other subgenres)

>>24694234
Relative to other fandoms it also has a staggering amount of picky people and super autists. After experiencing it all firsthand years ago and leaving the scene I'm not surprised to find out it hasn't gotten any better.

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Here is a visual aid on how to outline or structure a long series.

Notes: In traditional pub terms, you can either treat each saga or each arc as its own volume/novel (~70k words).
You can also add as many sagas as you want but each saga should at least be 4 Arcs (4-act-structure) or 3 Arcs (3-act-structure).
If you only have 1 Saga in each phase then it turns those sagas into complete phases. Phases are also sturctured like the 4-act-structure.

>>24694255
Where does the Catalogue of Ships fit into this structure?

>>24694255
Greetings, fellow Obsidianchad
Thanks for sharing
I'm not sure I understand your "phasing", can you elaborate?

>>24694270
Not sure what you mean by that
>>24694280
Phases are meta-acts. Think the original Dragon Ball Series (Kid Goku), Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, and so on. Those phases are made out of sagas, for example Cell saga.

>>24694255
Commands unknown, proceeding 10GB Arc.txt in biological memory storage

>>24694289
Dragonball uses kishotenketsu.

>>24694289
Interesting, I can appreciate the fractal element of that with the wider structure echoing the micro structures

>>24693742
childhood arc for serialized webslop is gonna doom you to never hit rising stars. people read the first 3 chapters and drop if it hasn't hit their 12 favorite tropes yet or the mc hasn't leveled up and aura farmed enough times

>>24694298
you could also compare the phases to Marvel phases
the point is you should or could use this framework to help you organize and guide your outlining work (if you care about that in the first place, of course)

>>24694305
I mean, kishotenketsu doesn't use the 4-act structure you're talking about.

>>24693958
I like nonhuman MC but don't care for litrpg levelup xp farming systems so I didn't actually check out any of them. It can be done well (Kumo desu ga was great) but I don't trust in the royalroad litrpg meta.

>>24694309
yeah, you can apply any popular structure you want, all of them have been proven to work
I prefer 4-act for symmetry and use a more granular structure only at the individual novel/arc level

>>24694255
>one arc must stop before the setup for the next begins
too formulaic.
the best long running series have multiple different plot threads planted for the future and slowly running in the background, and when one is concluded the others that have already been slowly fermenting their intrigue can come to the foreground and suddenly accelerate

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>>24694255
no blueprint will ever be perfect or universal but I prefer this troon's thoughts on web serial structure
https://blog.daxmurray.com/serial-storytelling
which touches on what >>24694322 mentions

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full circle

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>>24694348
Is this better than iq dump stat? That one wasn't dumb enough for me

also hi Brian

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>>24694354
oh nvm it's llamaslop