When do (you) plan to launch your web novel?

>>24695481
Two more weeks (a little less actually).

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>>24695473
>Why read web novels?
>Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly

no one hates web novels more than me, and that's what makes me the best

brothers what do women who read those smut books like that one about the bear and the other one about the minotaur think about males reading the same books? is this an ick? or a w?

>>24695512
What do women think?
Non non, anon, what do women FEEL about men reading the milking farm book. That is the question. The answer is fear. They fear being found out.

>>24695521
braza those things are one and the same

>>24695512
>is it an ick or a w
this depends on entirely on whether you are attractive according to their retarded, instagram-distorted, pornbrained standards

>>24695521
but if i posted up next to one, reading the same smut, and i popped a boner-- they would notice-- would they understand it as comradery (while they wriggle around)?

>>24695529
Non, there is a distinction. I am saying women cannot think.

>>24695481
When I get the mindset of "good enough" instead of being a perfectionist who needs every single detail outlined and prepared.

>>24695481
Before the end of this month!
Mostly working on a title and making connections before launch now.

If I vomit 500 words onto a page does that mean I've written 500 words today?

>>24695549
that's factually incorrect it is known that women mold their thoughts to explain their feelings

>>24695558
Stop eating alphabet soup you fat lard

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>>24694941
space opera is a volcano waiting to erupt, you'll see.

>>24695565
not hating, but what does space opera offer, really?

>>24695565
I think space exploration with science is going to explode once the Project Hail Mary movie comes out.

>>24695481
When I have three volumes of backlog, around 200k words.

>>24695481
When I stop juggling multiple ideas and let myself put the biggest most unwieldy project of mine on the backburner even though it's dear to me.

>>24695599
Why not just finish it already?
Like just write it down man.

>>24695481
Maybe December or January at this rate.

does APGTE ever chill out on the exposition? every time anyone says/does anything, she starts lore dumping

>>24695601
My man, I haven't even finished the outline. What the hell do you mean finish?

I want to write a progression fantasy, but I also want to write fantasy that doesn't go as insane with powerlevels and I feel like I'm being inauthentic.

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>>24695610
I'm revoking your author card. You don't get to claim something is a project when you haven't even outlined it, let alone started writing or making any kind of progress towards completion. You are DAYDREAMING. holy shit bro log off for an hour and finish your outline.

>>24695647
I didn't say I haven't outlined it, this outline is tens of thousands of words long.

>>24695652
You can't have your author card back until I see 10k words of actual story and some consistency on finishing it.
It devalues everyone else to have fraudulent "authors" running around who aren't even writing.

>>24695657
based

>>24695657
Yeah, that's why I'm putting it on the backburner because it's daydreamcore for me and I know I have other stories that are much easier to actually finish.
By the way you had it the wrong way around cutie but don't worry here's you're card back

>>24695638
You don't have to get it into ridiculous levels, I've seen works that never get beyond the protagonist being able to smash buildings in millions of words and still feel like they have a huge amount of progression because of how they pace it out and show its impact

Savage Divinity is xianxia despite the strongest people peaking out at like mountain buster

>>24695665
I don't have to, but that's the thing, I WANT to go high because if I'm doing something in that genre I may as well. But I also want to write more mundane stories or fantasy stories with somewhat smaller stakes and I feel progression would soil me forever.
Also what you're talking about is wuxia, not xianxia.

i think the most absurd xianxia i’ve read delved into quantum mechanics/descartian philosophy just to try and describe the abilities and powers of the MC and his fellows at their realm towards the end of the story.

>>24695481
Its already live.

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>>24695663
46 words not put towards finishing your outline nor starting your story.

>>24695705
Why'd you think I said I was going to put it on the backburner?

At the foot of the mountain, he walked, no, sauntered towards the entrance, staff held in hand. He pointed the weapon at the dungeon, mana coalescing on its tip into a droplet. Mana kept swirling in faster and faster. Soon it was fist-sized, but it kept growing. The mana ball grew and grew until it was as big as the entrance of the dungeon, a terrifying amount of mana to behold. The world, reality itself, warped around it.

The wizard incanted a quick spell and the mana ball rolled forward. It didn't fly. No, it rolled. Directly into the dungeon. The wizard's face twisted in concentration until suddenly he ducked and the mountain exploded. The ground quaked, rock and ash burst outward at tremendous speed, swallowing up everything in their path. Everything nearby disintegrated as the shockwave touched them.

Ten miles away, the party of observers laid on the ground, bleeding from their ears and eyes. Deafened for life, if they were lucky. Who knew that there was such a thing as 'too much mana'?

175 words down for today. It's that easy, huh?

I'm working on a Vampire evo/litRPG and feel compelled to name it 'This story sucks'

I feel like this would fuck me if I call it this on RR, am I overthinking things?

>>24695727
Of course it would.
Why not 'Sucky Sucky?'

>>24695727
"This Sucking Story"

>>24695727
very appropriate for RR

>>24695727
>"This Vampire Story SUCKS!"

>>24695736
>>24695744
See my problem is I thought of the ad first with:
"Life sucks! BUT THIS STORY DOESN'T!"
Then leading to a story titled This story sucks.

And it's shit but it amuses me so much I can't get away from the idea.

>>24695727
Right at the same time I'm thinking of a vampire story... I flee!

>>24695767
Oh just write it coward, we can compete and give each other motivation to do better!
I'm mostly worried that vampire shit wont do well on RR in general, can't find any that I'd say are successful.

Maybe I am putting way to much effort, preperation, and time into it, considering it's meant to be webnovel slop...

>>24695767
Well if you aren't writing it, I'll take your idea and run with it.

outline backwards
if you know where you are going you can't get lost along the way

>>24695859
But endings don't excite me. They don't give me ideas. They're not something I'm looking forward to.

>>24695794
Oh don't worry, mine isn't even a litrpg. It was a funny coincidence.

>>24695875
If the ending doesn't excite you, why should it excite the reader?

>>24695859
not terrible advice but lots of excellent stories start with a great premise, not with a great ending. and following that great premise up is the hard part

>>24695877
It shouldn't excite the reader either. All endings suck, no exceptions. Endings are only good if you are forced to read the story.

Which of the ideas has the best odds to generate profit? My industry is collapsing (software) and I need a backup plan other than factory work.
>sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
> sci fi romance aimed at women but not overly erotic
> grim dark high effort military sci fi aimed at men
> all in parallel (slower releases)

>>24695859
This is really good advice. It's how I started, both my premise and my ending and basically the whole story can be compressed to one sentence. Then I planned out some basic arcs for content along the way, and I always had the climactic ending scene in mind from the very beginning.

My stories where I start with a premise and not an ending tend to get written into corners with nowhere to go.

>>24695957
1 is the best, 2 is the worst.
Now, new topic
How the FUCK did I not think of Robot Girl Evolution last week? Dammit it would have been the perfect standout premise! OS updates! Software packages! New host bodies! FUCK

>>24695957
go with ideas that have not been done before
OR
write something that has huge demand with low supply

this is always how to make money in any industry

>>24695964
>>24695966
Thanks!

>>24695859
I believe that was advice given by Umberto Eco. He would have one or two striking images in his mind, not necessarily the ending, then he would write a narrative to explain or reach them.

which is more compelling?

>MC gets inadvertently involved in the grand conspiracies of forces greater than him in his attempts at getting an item
or
>MC bullets through grand conspiracies by forces greater than him through his sheer, singleminded, autistic focus for finding and getting the item

wow another empty self-help proverb, exactly what I needed

>>24695957
> sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
3/10
> sci fi romance aimed at women but not overly erotic
2/10
> grim dark high effort military sci fi aimed at men
4/10
> all in parallel (slower releases)
1/10

this is just my first impression. but none of them feel even moderately marketable. do I really need to explain why?
if you can't names bunches of titles in the genre you're trying to make a living out of, do you really expect to be the next big success there?

>>24695997
>> sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
to clarify, harem erotica is actually a booming niche, but the fact you clarified
>not totally aimed at men
drops it from like a 7/10 to a 3/10.
Know Your Audience. The #1 rule to making money as an author. Hedging your bets means nobody will like your shit. Either target it for men, or women. PICK.

what's your overall unique story "gimmick"? Something like "pirates with magical abilities" or "samurai in space"?

>>24696011
awkward girl reincarnates into max-level archmage character from the game she plays

>>24696011
MC progresses through collecting curios, the body parts of rare creatures and creatures alike, fishing, etc. to receive or refine unique equipment based off of said items while everyone around him progresses normally according to the setting.

>>24696011
Above-average cultivator becomes "monster" by sticking to best practices and aura farming about it
also striking visual design and unique setting/systems
"cultivation but JINGLE JANGLE THE SETTING ISN'T ANCIENT CHINA" is basically free

>>24696035
note: monster as in how the term is used in chinkslop, as in "monstrous genius" as in "le cool ebic based chad guy"

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>>24696011
lotgh with newtypes

>>24696011
It's cyberpunk set in a particular subculture and area that very rarely gets mentioned in sci fi but IDK if that's trope enough to differentiate it. Might go back to the drawing board.
>>24695997
>>24696004
Extraordinarily helpful, thank you. I've only ever really written for myself and I'm brand new to this entire space. Probably going to trawl for more popular themes and dial up the coomer grifting.

>>24696035
>"cultivation but JINGLE JANGLE THE SETTING ISN'T ANCIENT CHINA" is basically free
this is so true it hurts

>>24696011
a Superhero WN but if whatever force or entity that started giving humans superpowers decided to offload the most absurd and powerful of them onto the schizos, bpds, psychos and autists of humanity first before giving them to anyone else

>>24696058
>Extraordinarily helpful, thank you. I've only ever really written for myself and I'm brand new to this entire space. Probably going to trawl for more popular themes and dial up the coomer grifting.
you can be an incredibly gifted writer and still make pennies. the reality is that money comes from business acumen and market understanding COMBINED with skill, and honestly more the former than the latter
i would never tell someone to write for money because it's unlikely as hell, but since you outright said you want to make money: you need to understand the genre you're targeting and what your readers want. knowing how to write well is genuinely secondary to that.

do you even read sloppa? you don't necessarily need to enjoy sloppa to write it, but you do need to understand it, which means readings LOTS of books in the subgenre you target

>>24695957
>sci fi
Don't know why by sci fi isn't popular at all i think
Its far more popular to put science in fantasy settings
Like FAAAAAR more popular, everyone like robots, laser guns and drones in fantasy settings, but don't care to touch any sci fi books

>>24696080
>Like FAAAAAR more popular, everyone like robots, laser guns and drones in fantasy settings, but don't care to touch any sci fi books
I like knowing something grand and mystical might happen. Hard sci-fi books feel very constrained

>>24696011
My protagonist could be described as "the weakest."
Original, I know.

>>24696076
>do you even read sloppa?
I read a ton of kindleslop years ago that I thought would be useful but this seems totally different the more I look at it. I'll have to read the top 50 on RR and see if I'm capable of appealing to this crowd effectively.

>>24696091
how about a story about a protagonist who stays weak, but is good at managing and cultivating the development of the powerful allies around him?
then no one wants to read it because MUH POWERFANTASY

>>24696095
>the top 50 on RR
even on RR there's a wide mix of stories (especially if we're talking top rated and not top-followers or most-views) within the top 50. I would not recommend reading top rated stories. you want to read what people are actually following and paying for (so in that sense, you should go make a list of the biggest patreons and amazon sellers, and read those)
but yes being well-read is always a good idea. find what sorts of sloppa, EXACTLY, inspires you, then go read deeply in that niche. study it and make your own. that's definitely the best path to success.

but making money off art is hard as fuck. any retard can go to college, get a degree, and make money in their field. art is completely merit based, and most people simply aren't very good at what they do. 99% will make pennies. 1% will make good money. 0.1% will absolutely drown in sloppa cash

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>>24696085
That makes sense. I only chose sci fi because it's easier to write and be creative with for me personally. Hard scifi is too constraining + a ton of work to do right.

>>24696011
there's an elf and she kills people.

>>24696106
what's the unique twist?

>>24696108
people die when they are killed.

>>24695859
I always know my beginning and ending right away, the stuff in between is what takes effort.

You know what? Fuck it, I'm turning my story into a harem. The insect warrior bro is turning into a tomboyish insect girl. The good aligned male sociopath is going to be a kuudere and the redeemed antagonist is a female goth angel instead of an evil wizard. Maybe throw in some motherly fox girl down the line.
Readers will eat that shit up.

>>24695957
Grim military sci-fi romance aimed at men.

>>24696011
Mike Hammer with a broadsword.

>>24696095
Princess of the Void should probably be first on your list, a successful newer series in the niche you're targeting.

>>24696096
>Yes, i want to read about some dude that sits on the back and watches others fight for +1million words
It really isn't as entertaining as you make it up to be, a 100% support role like that doesn't really work well as a protagonist, his own POV is literally the most boring one and the most passive when action happens in this case
Im willing to bet that you haven't read/liked a story like you just described either

>>24695957
>sci fi harem erotica mostly but not totally aimed at men
Don't target men at all.

>>24695697
Cartesian, my good fellow, not descartian. No shame, The Poet's Tongue is a nightmarish labyrinth of exceptions and special cases, and many born to it speak it not as well as you do already despite your cultural handicap.

>>24695723
Please don't call it "the mana ball" though...

>>24696133
>not a female goth evil wizard
>not a female sociopath who only cares about morals for impressing her crush mc-kun

>>24695473
>path to transcendence
>14k followers! 400 chapters!
>crack it open out of curiosity

>But now he was gone too. It wasn’t like it was unexpected. His gramps was almost 80 years old but it still hit Julian hard. In fact, it might have hit him harder than losing his parents and sister. Because this time, he understood the value of family and appreciated it more than before.

This is your emotional hook? wtf, the prologue was so bad I couldn't even bother finishing it.

>>24696233
No, no, you don't get it, it's great writing, the 14k proves that! No luck, just pure skill! Writing to audience! You just don't read slop! Why are you even here!? Do it better yourself

>>24696233
>prologue
How the fuck they get 14k followers?

>>24696331
I was happy today to reach 20 followers.

>>24696011
magic costs your soul and all the characters actively lose their souls and become sociopathic automatons trying to live out their original purpose in life

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At what point is the anti-hero tag appropriate? My MC does a lot of pretty mean shit and kills people, but ultimately for good/noble reasons. Readers looking for genuinely villainous characters would probably say my MC is a plain hero, while moralfags are liable to seethe

>>24696442
It is appropriate when your MC is constantly monologuing in his head how much of a bad guy he is and then doing the complete opposite.

>>24696442
Calling him a ruthless MC might be enough without the whole anti-hero labeling

>>24696452
Yeah, most people do tend to take what's written at face value and don't really think about what's actually going on...

>>24696461
theres this new trend going around athens, theyre calling it irony
anybody know a good xanxia about cultivating this mysterious power

what's the current harem story meta?

>>24696485
Harem but it has a System
a Harem System, if you will

>>24696493
Like social links you have to level up?

It would really help the harem genre if you could write even one somewhat likable character, who seemed passably human

>>24696485
Rapeslop monster progression (evolution) for foids

>>24696494
Yes and also different incentives/bonuses between girl types, along the same development path, accomplishing certain on-theme tasks, etc
adding a thick girl gives you better Strength/Vitality/Constitution
adding a hag improves your Wisdom and rate of learning
making the cold unemotional girl feel safe enough to be vulnerable and shed tears in front of you? big reward
taking the sheltered girl somewhere she's always wanted to visit and doing something daring together? big reward
you can degamify by removing discrete stats and make the rewards/bonuses "real" rather than abstractions

>>24696532
this isn't super meta but a cool idea
I think some chinese and jp sloppas have attempted shitty versions of this

>>24696532
so you're basically just farming total war defeat traits off of babes? lol

>>24696532
>>24696537
this has actually been done? can you show me?

>>24696532
I wanna read this

>urban supernatural story where a girl can teleport to other dimensions
>wow! sounds fun!
>it's a trans allegory
>gorey evolution based VR where evolution in the game transfer to the real world
>wow! badass!
>it's a trans allegory
>coming of sapience story where a mimic learns what it means to be human and explores self definition
>wow! the human condition!
>it's a trans allegory
AAAAAAHHHH
WHY CAN'T NORMAL PEOPLE WRITE UNIQUE STORIES
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

>>24696532
>adding a hag improves your Wisdom and rate of learning
hagmaxxing would be a great strategy

>>24696583
sounds like you are obsessing about trannies.
none of the stuff I read has trans allegories.

>>24696613
>Anon goes to grocery store, sees a man buy milk
>It's a trans allegory
>runs away screeching

>be trans
>make something that resonates with you
>think its really cool
>one tiny segment of your book is tangentially related to one of your life experiences indirectly
>man reading your book discovers that the transsexual tried to do a normal human form of expression
>WTF WHY DO THE TRNANIES

>>24696613
katalepsis
viscerae
imperfect shapes
>none of the stuff I read has trans allegories
none of the stale stuff I read has trans allegories either. it's fucked up that the moment I try to read some 'weird' slop that I stumble into tranny story after tranny story

>>24696627
>read a famous LGBTDFG-story by a widely known troon
>WOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW

>>24696625
im not even a chud. trannies are whatever
the issue is that I have absolutely 0 interest in a story which is about transgenderism and body dysmorphia and keep getting surprised that this is the core theme of stories I invest my time into

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>>24696632
>widely known troon
ask a person on the street the gender identity of the author and they'll look at you like you're retarded
I'm not a part of the trans aware bubble. I just want to read cool stories

>>24696633
i totally get what you mean insofar as when the story is actually "about transgenderism". cause what i see a lot and am jaded to are people that act like the mention or insinuation of anything related to being trans at all is offensive. you obviously have the right to enjoy or not enjoy whatever, but it seems like if you're able to overlook things that annoy you then you'll enjoy what you read more.

>>24696642
yeah, it's not that they contain trans characters or have micro stories which parallel trans experiences or whatever
these stories are ABOUT transgenderism and the trans experience. like that's the core conceit. it's hard to overlook the heart of a story
I read a fuck ton of slop, I can overlook a lot. I'm sure I've read tons of things written by troons and never knew, just by necessity of how much I read
I'm seething because I got an unlucky streak of three of these types of stories in a row. it's annoying to invest your time and attention into a story and then it turn out to not be what you're after

>>24696650
oh okay yeah. thats totally understandable then. sorry for reading too far into it, im just partially sensitive about this stuff because of my own experiences of being written off creatively by ppl because im trans. but i am sorry for like purity testing you on how you feel about what you're reading. thats probably shitty, so i apologize.

My plan is to write until my genre becomes meta briefly, then promote the shit out of it.

>>24696671
You don't need to say what genre but why are you banking on it somehow becoming meta at all at some point?

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How do you find an engaging community to share your work with?

>>24696686
by making it
poach people that you like and get along with from public communities into your own self curated in-group

>>24696675
Because monster girl evolution became meta out of nowhere, so maybe my niche genre can too. I'm just going to wait like a skeleton until my time to rise is nigh.

>>24696622
>>Anon goes to grocery store, sees a man buy milk
>>It's RACIST
>>runs away screeching

>>24696693
They made it work through anti-competitive market manipulation
This passivity won't work because you're just one dude waiting for things to happen

>>24696622
>Anon goes to grocery store, sees a woman buy chocolate milk
>It's a DEI agenda
>runs away screeching

>>24696442
>At what point is the anti-hero tag appropriate? My MC does a lot of pretty mean shit and kills people, but ultimately for good/noble reasons. Readers looking for genuinely villainous characters would probably say my MC is a plain hero, while moralfags are liable to seethe
>
tombstone voice
"well, that's just my game"
when readers (and writers) get tired of the white hat black hat cartoon plot tropes. Then there's noir. The noir hero can be a lot of things.

>>24696425
>magic costs your soul and all the characters actively lose their souls and become sociopathic automatons trying to live out their original purpose in life
so you write about real life. Gotcha.

>>24696705
Not if I wait for the inevitable next 100 groups to do the same thing. I'll just jump on their bandwagon.

>>24696147
tacticians and strategists autisiming out is cool
I could also see some sort of emotional manipulator type negging and gaslighting his party constantly being fun
I think it could work

just started reading primal hunter 4 chapters in what am i in for?

>>24696745
absolute dogshit

>>24696747
nice love me some good slop

>>24696750
no, it's not good slop, it's dogshit slop

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>>24696752
no such thing as good slop

>>24696745
It has some nice ideas but the dialogue and humor are complete trash.

>>24696754
you should stick to genning covers
you're way better at it than writing

>>24696745
If you are going to read trash litrpg atleast read Defiance of the fall. The protagonist there isn't a sissy archer.

>>24696759
for system apoc slop, I liked Infrasound Berserker

>>24696757
My story is great.
Post yours.

>>24696787
no need. I'll write it directly into the submission box for my next .5 review

>>24696798
0.5 review swamp is wild.

>>24696332
I honestly believe some of the 'top' webnovels are just money laundering.

>>24696763
>Synopsis: I'm not entirely sure what to put here
>6,485 followers
lol

Im making a list of characters im going to be using a lot in my story
But im stuck with one that doesn't really have any hung-ups besides a high sense of responsibility and familial love
He's fine, but there's also not much going on with his character considering he's going to stay in the story the whole way through, he's easygoing as long as his family isn't targeted, but that plotpoint can only be done once before it gets old
I need some motivations or plotpoints of his own, independent of his family

>>24696862
not every character needs to be well-developed but a well-developed character has key internal urges as the core. all the family stuff you're talking about is just a reflection of that core, not the start point. ideas like "responsibility" and "familial love" are meta labels writers and readers might give and make for very 2D characters

Got some 1k patreon premise ideas for y'all (I do not promise originality):

>girl isekai'd at the bottom of a 100+ floor dungeon that no one has even gotten past floor 10 in. She wakes up to find an almost dead dungeon boss (1 HP). She punches it in surprise and kills it, instantly levelling up to 10 times the human top level. Fights her way up to find a sprawling countryside. Meets humans eventually and hijinks ensue.

>same as above but boy instead, and instead of dead dungeon boss, he meets a qt lonely lich girl that trains him up.

>normal fantasy world, girl finds a book that is also a strategy guide for the world, as if it were some RPG. Has cheat codes, hidden item locations, secret identities of people in her town, etc.

>similar as above, but instead, access to the internet forums for the 'game' her world is apparently based on.

>isekai prodigy girl meets god. He says: I'll give you any power; save the world. She says no thanks, just make me average. God interprets 'average' maliciously, taking the average between 0 and the most powerful being in existence for her power, making her orders of magnitude stronger than any being in her new world. Hijinks ensue.

>>24696862
I just realized i didn't even say what his character was
Its a cultivation story, so I started with the prototypical "fatty" character from cultivation novels, but eventually evolved into this "Big bother will take care of it!" kind of character
Huge built, at least 3 heads taller than everyone else, loves food and is a cook himself at a restaurant
Father is strict and stone faced, but caring
Mother is loving, there's not much going on with her
They have other 7 children (eventually)
Family is poor, he got a job with his father at a construction site at a very young age moving bricks to get extra cash
People assume he's thug since he's as huge and is always running around, but its actually easy going and can make friends easily
Personality wise, he's easy going, hard working and loyal, if angered he charges like a bull directly at the problem (or at the troublemakers), this has got him into trouble himself for not thinking of the consequences

Im fine with this character, but there's also not much i can do with him plotwise
He might have 1, maybe 2 sidestories to himself? Its pretty barren in comparison to the others

>>24696917
I thought ideaguys went extinct when it became possible to make an AI play with your prompts for you

>>24696888
>all the family stuff you're talking about is just a reflection of that core, not the start point.
I think i get what you're saying, thanks anon

>>24696917
>She wakes up to find an almost dead dungeon boss (1 HP). She punches it in surprise and kills it, instantly levelling up to 10 times the human top level.
wtf you stole my idea

>>24696917
Sex with the ancient lich girl.

>>24696963
I am in your walls

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>>24696059
>click on "le unique cultivation story"
>is actually unique
>...for the first volume at best
>after that it's regular cultivation with different paint
I keep falling for it so I guess it works

>>24696787
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125692/int-is-my-dump-stat this is my story.

>>24697012
0.5 stars

>>24697012
fetish fiction is going to be the next big trend
I saw an ad for a role reversal femdom isekai
get ahead of the curve and write your coom slop before the cabal notices

imagine writing an italian MC, he would be defeated by breaking the spaghettis and putting pineapple on pizza. no wonder he's FFFF class.

kill astro turfers

>>24697012
You have beaten me in Rising Star.

>>24697031
Yes.
F-Class 'Pineapple' and CCC-Class 'Spaghetti Breaker' are, indeed, stronger than Jacques.

>see 'my progression fantasy'
>look inside outline
>the 'progression' is at a total snails pace where the characters stay at the same level for hundreds of chapters growing horizontally instead of vertically if that

>>24697124
true and real
that said i actually like horizontal progression, as in becoming stronger by having more tools and options, both in games and books

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to whomever claimed aPGTE was better written than DCC...

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>>24697142
I also prefer horizontal progression
I'd read more litRPG if it didn't boil down to number goes up. these stories usually have a core power gimmick that when the character gets it, just becomes number slop
I WANT horizontal progression
that being said >>24697124
careful to not go full pic related

>>24697017
i was thinking of doing role reversal. not really a kink, though-- doesn't every straight cisgender male want to be a cute girl?

>>24697152
>doesn't every straight cisgender male want to be a cute girl?

sister i have news for you

>>24697152
add a trans allegory and you're set for a path of fame and success

>>24697142
I mean I do have vertical progression planned, and there's supposed to be massive leaps, but it doesn't happen for a long while
>>24697150
No need to worry there, that's not FRESH enough for me

>>24697031
Amigo has eyes but can't see the Alps.

>>24696979
She is awkward and virgin though, and cant look at you straight in the eyes since she saved you while you were completely naked

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>>24696917
>same as above but boy instead, and instead of dead dungeon boss, he meets a qt lonely lich girl that trains him up.
I'm still salty.
>normal fantasy world, girl finds a book that is also a strategy guide for the world, as if it were some RPG. Has cheat codes, hidden item locations, secret identities of people in her town, etc.
>similar as above, but instead, access to the internet forums for the 'game' her world is apparently based on.
Going by the next one, these are all references to light novels, but I can't place this one.

>>24697012
Chatty bilge. Even the grammar fizzles out halfway through.

Does anyone do first/zeroth drafts by hand?

>>24697258
I do the waterfall model

>>24697257
INT was also the author's dump stat I guess.

>>24696825
do you even know what money laundering is lol

>>24696917
that first idea is basically Misadventures Incorporated

>>24697144
it is

>>24697142
I prefer slow progression as long as it's happening constantly. I hate "progression fantasy" where the progression isn't expounded on

>>24697144
it is

>>24697255
>girl finds a book that is also a strategy guide for the world
it's a manga "I Picked Up This World's Strategy Guide"
>access to the internet forums
another manga "Sekai Saikyou no Majo, Hajimemashita: Watashi dake "Kouryaku Site" wo Mireru Sekai de Jiyuu ni Ikimasu"

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>>24697299
>manga

>>24697299
Thanks, I was wondering what it was about.

>>24697274
>>24697281
well, the first chapters are rough. the prose and dialogue aren't great, and the info-dumping is relentless. but it's not terrible, and if the story carries, it'll be more than enough.

>>24697443
>but it's not terrible
dungeon crawler carl is terrible though

>>24697452
what would you know? lol

>>24697481
I know shite when I reed it.

>>24697494
alright then. based

>>24697443
i can't remember the early books of apgte so maybe they suck comparatively, but at least for what I remember of apgte it easily mogs DCC on characters/dialogue/plot. i don't even hate dcc like the other anon, i think dcc is very solid, but apgte is peak and mogs almost all serials imo

Reverend Insanity mogs no diff

>>24697564
no cap on a stack 100p

>"next chapter before fall"
>there's jack fucking shit
looks like it's time for another unannounced 3 months hiatus wuxiachads...

>>24696096
The Most Notorious "Talker" Runs the World's Greatest Clan Light Novel does this. MC is a buffing support class considered really weak but he forms a really strong party. It gets pretty wacky.

>>24697728
with that recent discussion on undersupplied but increasingly in-demand genres, I think wuxia might qualify
nothing too zany but maybe some "quality of life" updates to bring it into the 2020s

I don't understand the appeal of wuxia
I thought it was exclusively for three kingdoms nerds

>>24697753
rotk isn't wuxia

>>24697763
damn
I don't know shit about chink scrolls

>>24697728
you mean Memories of the Fall or what?

>>24696632
lol this happened to me with Foxfyre.
>MC becomes half-possessed by an ancient kitsune spirit and gets superhero powers and becomes a foxgirl
>turns out MC was a male originally
99% of the emotional stakes turn out to be tied to being trans, rather than being turned half monster. It was just totally unnecessary at that point, since any normal person would realize that being turned into half a monster is PLENTY to get you shunned by family/friends/randos. Not the trans author though. Only being trans has emotional weight in the story. The real tragedy is that other than that, the story is really well written but I can't recommend it to anyone.

>>24697753
it's chinese swords and sorcery

are trans writers better than non-trans writers on average??

>>24697782
they're autistic/dedicated, so maybe

>>24697776
what's xianxia then? high fantasy?

>>24697791
with certain trappings but fundamentally yes

>>24697776
i feel like im the only person that cant fucking handle how universal/dogmatic all the gay systems are. like how is everyone not fucking done with it after a series or two?

>>24697791
that would be xuanhuan. xianxia is xuanhuan with a focus on "immortal cultivation" and the Dao and those tropes, xuanhuan being the more general "chinese high fantasy"
that's my vague understanding at least

>>24697782
better I doubt
I do think they're more inspired and less derivative

>>24697773
can you conquer the world with martial arts

>>24697791
wuxia is basically teenage mutant ninja turtles with an underground martial arts world that battles it out, xianxia is kind of the same except the power levels are multiplied by 1000x

>>24696839
It's by Rhaegar. Literally the author of Azarinth Healer. That it only has 6484 followers is actually a non-success for him. Which is also why it's been inactive for over a year and he's probably focused on the rewrite of Azarinth Healer for tradpub.

>>24697810
honestly if we're doing these analogies, John Wick might as well be urban fantasy wuxia as well

>>24697796
It's just shorthand for storytelling. Like how fanfiction saves an author all that trouble of inventing their own setting and characters.
Autistic readers love it because it reminds them of the video games they love so much.

say what you will about xianxia power systems, having a template to work off of where you don't need to info dump huge quantities of info and your readers by default know what you're talking about is useful for getting straight to the meat of a story
it's also comfy. you know what you're getting

>>24697796
wuxia isn't systems heavy like xianxia

where my Nascent Soul cultivators at???

>>24697852
At home, cultivating, with pills and shit.

>>24697866
>cultivating, with pills and shit.
Metal cultivator, amIrite?
This is an Amazing Cultivation Sim joke btw

>>24697877
Its a good one because I get it btw

I can understand the drive to write web novels but why read them too? They're unrevised, unedited, ungrammatical, unoriginal, and can only worsen your own writing by example.

>>24697889
leave no stone unturned

>>24697826
yea, i get it. it goes both ways, too-- the reader can't really trust the amateur writer to give them what they want w/o the tropes/guardrails. and that is fair
>>24697842
ah, my bad. i should read up on the differences

>>24697889
This might as well be the real writing general yes but some of us are just readers you know

>>24697889
because they're fun to read, and published fiction isn't
simple as

>>24697889
web novels and classics are the only things worth reading at all tbqhwy

>>24697897
Until recently, I was a lot more of a reader than a writer. Nice to see more readers here, honestly.

>>24697902
Seconding this. 99.99% of most tradpubbed fiction in recent years has been total garbage, utterly mogged by such flawed works as Azarinth Healer, Beware of Chicken, Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons, Cat Girl Evolution, etc.

Once you've read all the classics, there's nowhere else to go but the bleeding edge frontier of literature, which is webnovels. Even abroad all the creativity comes from webnovels, Narou being the preeminent example.

>>24697889
started with the geeks

>>24697889
>unrevised, unedited, ungrammatical,
who cares
>unoriginal
not any more so than the alternative of trad pub slop

>>24697902
>because they're fun to read, and published fiction isn't
>simple as
well if someone that could write a WN wrote a downloadable "traditional" paperback. That's what this reader wants. I don;t need anything crazy. I just want my pulp paperback before it got all pozzed up. Pretend its 1990 and write a regular goddamn paperback.

>>24697924
hi TINA

>>24697924
>write it
>publishers give automated rejections
webnovels it is

>>24697017
>fetish fiction is going to be the next big trend
>I saw an ad for a role reversal femdom isekai
>get ahead of the curve and write your coom slop before the cabal notices
I actually have some unused smut backlog. It happens to be femdom and the (male) MC has more than one mommy dommy girlfriend. harem lite? yuri lite.

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>>24697889
You ought to read PEAK.

>>24696452
>dude does the exact same thing as a regular hero but not without first bitching about it
hate this trope so much

>>24697889
The ones I've been reading are polished at least. I just drop immediately things with too many prose, grammar, and usually the tense shuffling are telling. Most modern series was Frank's Dune, Looking to read Guns of August sometime don the long road.

>>24697968
Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga and Saints trilogy are pretty good space stories.

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Any webnovels that are shonen-esque?
Pretty much stuff that contains elements like, rivals, power systems that have existed, battles, and fighting for ideals? Doesn't have to have all of these, but stuff pertaining something similar.

>>24697902
>because they're fun to read, and published fiction isn't
Read better published fiction. I refuse to believe you've tried all of it

tradpubbed is fucking sick. you just dont understand how to engage with material that doesnt jungle keys in front of you

>>24697889
>They're unrevised, unedited, ungrammatical, unoriginal, and can only worsen your own writing by example.
Maybe yours are.

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>>24698083
>jungle keys

>>24698091
kek
jingle*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Bc5WcIvyc

>>24697928
>>write it
>>publishers give automated rejections
>webnovels it is
my point always was that is books were available before they got pozzed people would return to them again. And yes this is Tina. Hi guys. thanks for noticing me.

>>24697928
I didn't phrase that right. Making downloadable/WN book, as if making a non-pozzed trad pulp from yesterday. Something there for the (now) unserved market. I know trad pub wont touch it, but you can WN and downloadble literally anything. Just make some regular paperbacks for people not into the whole specific WN amime game thing.

>tradslop
go back to /wg/

>>24696220
Mana balls deez nuts.
I was shitposting anyway. I wanted to describe a powerful spell being cast, but somehow just couldn't find the words to express that and ended up leaning on the absurd instead.

>>24698125
the webslop skill/art ceiling is rarely even approached. why can't /wng/ be where the genre evolves?
everyone here should be reading trad, writing slop

someone in another thread was *railing* against and they listed it. Heros journet. Three act structure, save the cat, etc etc.
Honestly I went and looked at save the cat. I had a number though not all of the elements in same or similar order. Likewise the hero's journey has elements to it i like the structure. These things prevent that couple hundred page *meandering* so common to new writers when they over-write. I know I sure did.

>>24698131
nobody reads tradtrash, it's boring trite

>>24697914
It's because tradpub doesn't take risks. Even the self-published Kindle stuff has to tiptoe around Amazon's rules. Oh, you wrote a haremfantasy but it's too spicy? Off to erotica-hell you go where you won't sell any copies. Meanwhile Scribblehub is full of degenerate stuff that is read.
The same principle applies to other aspects of stories as well.

>>24698131
>the webslop skill/art ceiling is rarely even approached. why can't /wng/ be where the genre evolves?
>everyone here should be reading trad, writing slop
I was in a writing contest here not too long ago. It was a 3k word suggested limit contest. Man this one anon he fucking mogged almost all of us. He had the tugging the heartstrings emotional connection thing down pat, as well as created a little story line all in the limited space. That had to be quality. Get him(?) on this.

>>24697889
I always have two books in progress. One book to challenge me, one book that's fun and easy. Webnovels are the perfect 'junk food' for when I'm too busy or ill to read my other book.

>>24698133
>trite /trīt/ adjective
>overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness
First off trite is not a noun.
>it's boring fluffy.
>it's boring aboriginal.
>it's boring carbureted.
Adjectives make no goddamn sense in that context.
Secondly, the definition of trite is what we used in place of slop, before slop was popularized.
Trite is meta webnovels.

>>24698078
give fantasy recs then

>>24698133
>>24698146
i've been bouncing between trad & slop the last year or so. if you're interested in writing, i'd say this (some trad on rotation) is almost necessary.

>>24698156
people who enjoy reading read webnovels

go back to not reading anything over in /wg/

>>24698131
why are you even infesting /wng/? you have threads for trad fiction: /sffg/ and /wg/. Why are you so autistic you want to come into the sloppa thread and insist we write non-sloppa? makes no sense

>>24698144
>Even the self-published Kindle stuff has to tiptoe around Amazon's rules. Oh, you wrote a haremfantasy but it's too spicy? Off to erotica-hell you go where you won't sell any copies
>
before the internet dirty book stores sold more than handcuffs and motion lotion. They always had cheap pulp paperbacks of explicit fetish erotica. There's a market for that. Everyone knew those paperbacks were cranked out by minimum wage "at least I'm working" writers trying to get started. Imagine if a half decent writer took suck a thing to task. All I'm saying. But rules, I hear you. Just saying that market is there.
>
Why wouldn't someone make basically a "highly explicit version" of Kindle downloads. Charge 99 cents a download and let people have fun. Nothing curated unless it violates an actual law. Which ain't much. This intrepid site would *mog* literotica and any WN sites that sort of cater to smut. What percentage of kindle can't publish (rules) is that websites guaranteed writers. If you make the smut unabashedly explicit its an underserved market.

>>24698132
I should encourage more of you all to write slop, because the more slop writers there are the more I'll stand out.

>>24698161
Writing trite webnovel on RR is fine when you are selling out to the NPCs in your audience. I just want to acknowledge that is what /wgn/ writes. Fucking trite fiction.

>>24697276
You're one of the guys that makes me happier to tinker with the outline than commit to it.

>>24698167
what you trad tards don't understand is that nobody wants to read your "quality" writing. they want slop. you won't stand out if you try to post to RR, you'll be ignored

>>24698177
web novels are better than tradslop

not that you'd ever know since you don't read either, /wg/cuck

I published a new chapter yesterday what are you all doing?

>>24698186
On the keyboard grind of always—but I've surpassed my previous fiction in word count already (it was a short story).

>>24697798
Essentially
Wuxia=Dragonball
Xianxia=Dragon Ball Z/Super
Xuanhuan=Dragon Ball Daima

>>24698193
>Wuxia=Dragonball
they blow up the moon in that shit

wuxia is kung fu movies

>>24698190
I just hit 69k words. XD
>>24698177
Let me know when your agent gets you a publishing deal for your female lead dystopian YA novel with 5 factions to which she's a special uwuTM part of all 5.

How much gore and sex is usually in these things? Is it all basedboys getting nosebleeds when a woman touches them or what.

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>>24698203
>69k words

>>24698209
what a stupid question

figure it out yourself

>>24698209
how long is a piece of string?

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>>24695473
>Recommended web novels
>rentry.co/d2yvczro
just looked at this for the first time and it's surprisingly sensible, only a few asspull (imo) picks
we should have a "normies should try:" section though

>>24698078
go to a book store and pick 5 random fiction books off the shelves
I guarantee you that atleast four of them will be irredeemable garbage

>>24698214
Look I'm searching on RR for things tagged with sex and violence but everything I click on reads like it was written by a 13-year-old. Is there anything for adults among all this?

>>24698221
we really shouldn't

>>24698230
Speaks poorly of your general intelligence to expect mature, quality writing on a web novel site tbqh with you

>>24698209
From what i get here, Royal Road is very anal-retentive about sex, specially with minors involved (i don't mean just pedophilia, sex between teens also counts)
You could get around it by just not showing it? Maybe they go to their room kiss and close the curtains, then the next scene is the morning after waking up satisfied
I don't know, censorship is weird, maybe even teens kissing is a bannable offense now

>>24698133
>he doesn't read everything
not my sloppa
read classics. read litRPG. read poetry. read amateur short stories. read fanfic. read contemporary contest writers. read self inserts. read MTL chinkslop. read fanfics of fanfics

>>24698230
my story (im backlogging)

>>24698230
figure it out yourself retard

>>24698239
I'm putting teen romance in my story but it's purely chaste. I don't see it being a problem. If it is I will just make a note that RR has a problem with it and point people towards patreon and the amazon release.

It's important to push boundaries in situations like this, where something is legal, but publishers (RR is technically a publisher) censor content they don't like. It worked for the you know whos in the you know what movement, it can work for other things. Just gotta push the boundary bit by bit.

>>24698200
that's comedy, it doesn't count

>>24698262
nobody cares about chaste teen romance lol, don't have a persecution complex. literally never been a problem, YA novels have teens kissing and falling in love all the time
if you're saying you should push the boundaries on writing teens fucking on-page, that's creepy

If you all can't write following the rules of a platform, what makes you all think I'll be confident you can write within genre conventions?

>>24698162
the difference between low end and high end slop is incredible. that is, slop and slop that im referring to. are you okay being unashamedly bottom tier? if not, then you must read decent, edited writing. that's all there is to it

>>24698266
it wasn't a comedic scene and it does count

>>24698262
You're the guy with the girl with huge tits who doesn't get fucked and there's never any mention of how her breasts react right?

>>24698271
you literally said "everyone should only be reading trad" you dumb fuck. trad won't teach you how to write good slop
Post your favorites

>>24698268
We'll see!

>>24698273
I've opted to, instead of describing her huge breasts directly, instead describe everyone's reaction to them, and then have another female character pull her aside to explain why everyone keeps reacting like they do, but then have her decide to keep wearing low-cut shirts anyway. I'm also going to put art of her on the cover with big cleavage.

Also after they marry on her 18th birthday, for plot reasons, she and her husband absolutely have lots of sex. I'm writing a completely heteronormative, reproduction positive young couple.

>>24698280
You're wasting everyone's time. Put it on scribblehub instead and be explicit about it.

>>24696917
>same as above but boy instead, and instead of dead dungeon boss, he meets a qt lonely lich girl that trains him up.
Disciple of the Lich: Or How I Was Cursed by the Gods and Dropped Into the Abyss! (2019)
>
>isekai prodigy girl meets god. He says: I'll give you any power; save the world. She says no thanks, just make me average. God interprets 'average' maliciously, taking the average between 0 and the most powerful being in existence for her power, making her orders of magnitude stronger than any being in her new world. Hijinks ensue.
Didn't I Say to Make My Abilities Average in the Next Life?! (2016)
I read like 2.5 volumes of this one before dropping it, it was meh

>>24698282
The story is set in a civilized time before fornication.

>>24698287
>God interprets 'average' maliciously, taking the average between 0 and the most powerful being in existence for her power, making her orders of magnitude stronger than any being in her new world. Hijinks ensue.
Lol yeah. That literally is 1:1 exactly the premise of
>Didn't I Say to Make My Abilities Average in the Next Life?! (2016)

Did you do that intentionally anon?

>>24697564
for translated fiction I only read [completed] works. let me know when the author gets out of gulag and finishes the story.

>>24698292
Doesn't sound like anything readers want to read about. Smells like failed tradpub.

pretty sure tradpub poster is FFF or gongtard
his attempts to stir up /wg/ (which he would announce) kept getting met with "ok retard" so I bet he's doing the inverted here

>>24698296
>implying tradpub approves traditional masc/fem heteronormative romance in current year
Even if I only write a mid romance arc, it will by default mog everything else everywhere.

>>24698275
>everyone should only be reading trad
who said that? because i hadn't
what the fuck are you quoting, even

>>24698294
But it is complete. The ending is rather abrupt but it is what it is.
>author gets out of gulag
Gu Zhen Ren finished Infinite Bloodcore not long ago and he's preparing a new series.

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>>24698287
>>24698293
Oh should have read the other replies they're all LN premises.

>#2: Disciple of the Lich >>24697255
>#3: I picked up this world's strategy guide >>24697299
>#4: Starting My Journey as the World’s Strongest Witch ~I Will Live Freely in a World Where Only I Can See the ‘Guide Site’~ >>24697299

>#5: pic

now we just need #1

>>24698317
PYF or fuck off

>>24698320
Did I say preparing? I mean he's doing it now, Mysteries of Immortal Puppet Master

>>24698325
DCC

for trad...? i'd need a genre, i can't compare anything w/ anything and have it mean shit. even still, i wouldnt want to pick

>>24698322
>now we just need #1
I thought of Failure Frame or Arifureta; in both the MC is thrown into the depths of a dungeon and becames OP, but it wasn't a perfect fit. A quick google and maybe it's this one?
https://j-novel.club/series/knock-yourself-out-the-goddess-beat-the-final-boss-in-the-tutorial-so-now-i-m-free-to-do-whatever

Honestly, all of those are so generic LN premises that you could fit any isekai bullshittery in there.

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Speaking of stealing japanese ideas has any english webslopper done a non retarded version of pic's central premise?

The MC is isekai'd to a game world and gets the "weakest" class which is actually a centerpiece of one of the most OP minmax builds and uses his game knowledge to break shit over his knee. Except the author barely knows what he's doing and doesn't manage to write any convincing synergies or builds.
The whole secret ultimate build turns out to just be "uhh the shitty 0 damage class has a self-shield. the op synergy is just get the berserker skill tree that gives you more damage at low hp and then put up the shield so even though you're 1 hp you don't instantly die. that's it that's the whole secret trick". and it barely makes a difference because everything he fights breaks the shield in 1 hit anyway so he ends up just nohitting the bosses at 1hp the same way anyone on any other class would if they bought the same berserker skill book

>>24698316
Sure they do. You need to do more research.

>>24698268
So what you're saying is that I should put the horror tag on it and say I'm inspired by Stephen King?

>>24698355
>I didn’t realise they liked it so much when you’re vocal and grunty during sex.
Why is this a surprise when you like it when the girl is vocalizing in male oriented works?

>>24698343
>the MC is thrown into the depths of a dungeon and becames OP
I liked Taint: Black Blood tales for this. one of the old generation of English web novels before there was any central place for them. sadly the author abandoned it and the website it was hosted on went offline

>>24695512
>the other one about the minotaur
you're gonna have to be more specific than that man there are SO many monsterfucker books

>>24698372
Are you saying my minotaur smut I never bothered finishing would've done well!?

>>24698352
not sure but there is a japanese sort of craft to this. we need to adapt the "monoculture worldbuilding" thing
start with anything that brings you joy -> then make it the core culture/mechanic that everything revolves around
(think pokemon, or one piece, etc.)
you could say this is obvious, especially in hindsight, but i feel like most RR series start w/ a trope + mechanic, rather than what underlies a trope. sort of the same result, but not quite

>>24698376
Depends how female gaze it is.
Plenty of successful smutslop romance authors are men (sometimes with female pen names since that sells better) but you've gotta understand what the customer base is looking for.

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>>24698352
Sounds like even lamer Bofuri desune. Maybe built for min-max (top on RS right now) seems to be that, but I haven't read it.
>>24698366
It's a very good premise, at least early on: you get the feeling of abandonment, the MC against everything, impossible odds, deadly stakes and the release is the fact that they become OP. Hits all the buttons of the slopper brain.
It's the "after that", that is harder.

>>24698352
Trick question, it's kino and can't be improved.
>>24698392
Bofuri is literally nothing but a bad MMO, no way.

>>24698366
Taint is a sleeper pick that is super good, at least once she gets out of the endless grindfest tower lol, I skipped most of that. Peak OPMC fish out of water in the second 2/3rds of that story

>>24698366
>>24698412
still me
do you have any recs that fit that vibe?
>OPMC fish out of water
been looking for more but I've ended up just reading Taint several times when I was jonesing for it. femmc preferred

>>24698411
>Bofuri is literally nothing but a bad MMO, no way.
Yeah, but the lead is a cute girl, that's at least two extra points in the weeb slopper brain.

>>24698417
I don't think I've read anything that hit the same notes as Taint. Overlord maybe if you squint but even then not really.

>>24698418
Heavy Knight has a cute girl too. You can see her in the cover art even. She's the MC's clown-class waifu who he drags around just because she has insane droprate boosting skills despite having no combat utility. He picked her up when she was abandoned by her previous party because for some reason the people in this isekai world caught a plague of retardation and none of them understand the value of drop rate boosters except MC-kun.

>>24698186
Reading. Nearly done with On Foreign Soils We Die; it's decent.

>>24698428
>because for some reason the people in this isekai world caught a plague of retardation and none of them understand the value of drop rate boosters except MC-kun
This is actually even better than an actual smart MC from a reader's perspective.
-If he's too smart/skilled, it's harder to identify AS him (Tatsuya from Irregular at Magic High School)
-if the MC is only as smart as the average reader (mouthbreather who can't beat games without a wiki holding his hand) BUT everyone ELSE is even DUMBER, and he's massively successful because of that, that's the perfect power fantasy. Easy to self-insert as, but you still get to enjoy flexing on everyone else.

No matter how obvious and patronizing this is, there will ALWAYS be a segment of society, mainly defined by IQ, who will gobble it up.

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>>24698511
i hate the median reader so goddamn much.
if the MC is gonna fool everyone and look like a genius schemer he should at least have a good explanation for why

>>24698511
I can't write this shit because I have an IQ over 160 and people just won't get it.

>>24698511
I want to write a story with an unreliable narrator and a half told plot whose full implications are hinted at through the story, but I feel like readers wouldn't get it and hate the story for it

>>24698549
I'm doing basically that, and yeah, it's generally not appreciated. A small handful of readers spotted what I was doing with the narrator and thought it was cool, ten times as many commented saying the system was stupid and needed more explanation (spoonfeeding). NONE commented on the MC's character arc and maturation.

It's really shaped how I'm approaching the finale: everything is explained. There will be chapters making explicit what should have been left as subtext from the earlier books. I'm setting aside extra fight scenes to show off the MC's prowess. Characters I was going to leave as ambivalent and slightly mysterious are now going to have monologues where they explain themselves. I'm also thinking I'll ditch the dramatized narrator entirely at some point during the climax, and just be really direct and trustworthy/omniscient about what's going on.

>deleted kpop eceleb post
there are w*men here

>>24698585
That's actually the second time I've made that mistake. I only fart around in this thread when I get banned off /mu/.

>>24698587
Are any of the stories ripping off Kpop Demon Hunters that cropped up any good?

>>24698603
KDH is a source of veiled shame among true KPOP fans. I don't think you'll see many discussing it in a favorable light, never mind drafting stories from its example. It's much more of an anime set to pop music.

>>24698615
>It's much more of an anime set to pop music.
Yeah that's why it was good. That and the tiger cat thing.

>>24698624
To some it was good; to others, myself included, it traduced what makes KPOP so great.