>>24700283
First time baking, so I'm sorry if I fucked it up

Friendly reminder that web crawlers make up the first one hundred and twenty-five views on your story. I tested this by posting a story with no cover and only making one chapter with a few pages. Nobody in their right mind would have clicked on it.
A year later it’s at 125 views. All webcrawlers.
If you have fewer than 125 views, no real person has clicked on your story. Sorry

Best series for the mc dies and restarts in the past with all their past knowledge? It's a trope I cannot deny liking too much.

>>24700283
I tried reading SSS but bounced off of it HARD
The setting felt hollow

>>24700286
you left the copy pasted [Embed] from the YouTube video kek

>>24698955
>>24699401
Why do you not understand the concept that it's the real world for these inhabitants?
You keep talking about things that are wholly unrelated to the concept of surviving when you're fighting for your life inside a dungeon.
Have you tried looking at military boondoggles instead of these moronic comparisons that show you've never touched the story?

>>24700320
I'm shocked. It's almost as if not everyone will like every popular story.

I exercised the self control to not post FFF class unlucky antagonist in the thread asking if /lit/ ever made anything worth reading.

>>24700473
Real question. Why do you even bother? It's a shit story with shit writing, it'll never be a success. I have a bet with myself for how long it'll take you to quit.

>>24700483
I am not the author. I saw the thread and wanted to shitpost with it, but decided such an act was better left to the author.

>>24700483
Not me, but you are lying---It's pretty good.
At least, you should trying to finish chapter one.

>>24700490
ironic advertising is still advertising
don't do anything for him except leave .5 star reviews

>>24700492
I can't tell if you're series or trolling. I've read a lot of wns, a *lot*. It's one of the worst, even compared to many MTL series I've forced myself to read. It's utter trash, especially for something aimed at RR. It's kind of obvious the author is a schizo.

>>24700483
>Real question. Why do you even bother? It's a shit story with shit writing, it'll never be a success. I have a bet with myself for how long it'll take you to quit.
Interesting. Tina-anon checking in. What's the office pool in your head up to on my imminent success finding a niche somewhere. And don't worry, anon(s). I won't even respond if baited. Just this tidbit and I quit feeding the crabs, I promise.

>>24700499
Are you ChatGPT?
You know...a wall text with 0 arguments...weird.

>>24700506
> What's the office pool in your head
Well, all I'll say is you won't quit this year.

>>24700508
Like I said, a certified schizo.

>>24700514
Like I said...a bot.

man this general thread even exists because too many people were put off by WG and their attitudes. Writing General ain't for writing and talking about it. Its like being in english class and a creative writing professor keeps showing you one of their (well written but) oh so boring essays. Now on that note with what untenable company WG anons really are why come shit up this WNG thread. Answer. Everyone got tired of your shit and made their own sandbox. We get it. We're all "bad writers" and WG is all "good writers". Fine. We got that so you can go hoe. To your containment thread where you can huff farts over dashes and grammar errors and discus how to make the perfect creative writing professor essay on... whatever boring tripe you like,

>>24700519
Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them a bot.

I found a cute web novel but it updates only twice a month

>>24700514
>> What's the office pool in your head
>Well, all I'll say is you won't quit this year.
another fan in the bag. LMAO. lol, even. Thanks anon I take that as a compliment. Cheers and good luck on your own project/read.

>>24700527
Nothing wrong with that. One of my favorite series only updates every 7-10 days. Okay, the chapters are 20-30k in length, but still...

>>24700525
His unwillingness to participate in a fair debate is the main problem here.
You very well may insult me, but don't assume your perceived superiority is enough to win by default.

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>>24700286
You did fine! Just forgot the [Embed] in the Youtube link (that one is tricky).
>t.usual baker who refused to get up from his bed

>>24699901
https://audio-book-ai.com

This site made me hyped for a sec but
>No runtime counter for some reason
>No speed control
>No option to download the audio files in case I want to listen offline or in non-phone devices
>Only the voice of a bored old man, even in FeMC series which is just off (I much prefer a female narrator voice in general since they can do both men and women without hurting immersion, men trying to narrate feminine lines sounds faggy)
Almost good, I like the idea but it needs more than that.

>>24700528
Thanks. I had more followers than you after only 2 chapters and I've almost tripled since then. I still feel like a failure but at least I'm not you so there's that comfort.

>>24700542
>Thanks. I had more followers than you after only 2 chapters and I've almost tripled since then. I still feel like a failure but at least I'm not you so there's that comfort.
There's the spirit. WN sites are just the most convenient place to park my catalog while I incubate/work on stuff. I realize I'm like a potato in a carrot patch. Noticed but I'm kind of a WTF item in the bin.

>>24700525
you know this guy is our resident useless loser right?
he WILL chain reply for hours on end. don't waste your time on him

>>24700551
True but some times you can't help but laugh at the village idiot.

>>24700551
>>24700555
>samefagging
utterly pathetic.

How do you guys decide what POV to go with. I call standard "novel by description". And its okay. One time I tried POV and it just worked better. Read better. Working with the same characters across different stories I arrived at a decision once.
The male MC (in the description stories) had essentially a co-MC in the female. When changing projects I tried the FemMC as the POV first person, and it worked better. More personal sometimes intimate. And what you're really reading is the traditional male MC POV. its just as seen and heard by the female MC. She had degrees in psychology so her inner thoughts and observations make for a kind of built-in slight psychological novel feel. I could credibly talk about motivations and personality types without it sounding weird or forced. I draw a hard line at the traditional "wonder woman" MC so often over-used today. But I didn't want her to be a damsel in distress either. She went through character development and by near the end she jumped off a high bridge after him in winter into icy water in a bad storm. She played her part in the adventure at times at least as credibly as a female character can. I couldn't bring myself to have her running around like Amy Schwarzeneggar beating men up right and left. But women are terrified of her. I gave her because of the psychology degrees a sort of Esther Villar attitude. But that simple POV switch (accidentally) brought me things.

>>24700555
>True but some times you can't help but laugh at the village idiot.
look. this is our pool of anons.
Every village sends us its finest idiot. We sort through them but we don't get right of first refusal. I mean its like we work in a small pizza shop and we complain about all the teenagers at work. After enough time you just shake your head and try to keep your sense of humor.

>>24700597
>I call standard "novel by description"
...third person?

>>24700597
and I will admit to a little vicarious thrill from her at times. A female character that's so obnoxious you almost wish someone would come along and deck them. Well she's a woman so she can do it. Kind of satisfying when 5 foot tall mouthy skank gets scarfed up and threatened by a girl that used to be a big ten college athlete. I liked when she followed a mouthy little skank into the bathroom and discretely laid her out.

stop being mean to F anon unless he does something to deserve it (like that review meltie)

>>24700612
>>I call standard "novel by description"
>...third person?
I guess. When I read I get a little movie in my head. When I was young I had to sort out novel styles. I named "regular" novel style "novel by description". Term stuck with me. You get to see the descriptions of everything and get some insight into the characters inner monologue at times. True first person had to grow on me. First reading POV then writing I finally tried it and it worked after not working for a long time.
>
Before the internet really took off I felt like I was in more or less a vacuum trying to write just from reading a lot growing up and into adulthood.

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I spent 20 years on this story, and once I started uploading it nobody seemed interested, which was a bummer.

It’s a portal fantasy.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/98571/august-of-the-elsewild

>>24700637
>stop being mean to F anon unless he does something to deserve it (like that review meltie)
Yes. KinoMan is some kind of mascot to WNG.

>>24700651
>generic premise
>generic blurb
>generic cover art
wonder why
>20 years
>9 chapters
>44 pages
anon...

>>24700651
it might be portal fantasy but everything about it suggests this belongs in tradpub, not web pub. did you try finding an agent?

>>24700652
More like the court jester or the village's idiot

>>24700651
This is the problem with fermenting a "magnum opus" for too long.

Getting your hands dirty and evolving naturally > Fantasizing of making the perfect story for years

>>24700660

I started rewriting it late last year from scratch. I actually like my covers to be more generic. I don’t like the cartoony manga style covers that are so popular.

But, I agree, the premise is kind of generic. I think portal fantasy as a genre always kind of feels the same.

I wrote a LitTPG back in 2016-17, before the book. And that was going alright, but my heart wasn’t in it. That one did a bit better. And then I started working on a historical fiction that was doing really well, so I took it down to see if I could traditionally publish it. So that’s what I’m doing now.

>>24700652
FFF is like an untermenschian example of how not to behave
annoying, stupid, self centered and a shit writer

>>24700671
i do admire how utterly convinced he is that he's writing a masterpiece though

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FFF-Chads, rise up and show your support against the /wg/ invaders!

Creativity and love for your story >>> wasting time writing nothing but criticizing others

>>24700685
>/wg/ boogeyman posting out of nowhere
I had a suspicion the recent tard tantrums were you

>>24700651
I read the first chapter of August. Horses - 1.
>
Short even by WN standards but I personally won't complain. The chapter will be as long or as short as it thinks it needs to be.
>
Nothing wrong with the writing. I get a clear movie in my head and if reading isn't sooth it disrupts the movie. I had none of that and I really can't pick apart any grammar issues.
>
The premise you got to it quick. I myself writing tend to dick around up front a little. Let you see your MC in a sort of day to day moment before introducing the premise or the conflict. Based on reading chapter 1, I'd say I liked it and would keep reading for now. A little short but hey it WN rules not paperback rules.
>
Maybe play with covers. Who knows. I like how the image looks like a water marked old paperback cover. Neat effect. Maybe play with font or adding lightning striking in the distance.
>
unless I get turned off by chapter next time I glance at it, maybe the anons here can help you cover/relaunch. The title might be getting you on RR. Its so WN-specific there that all the popular names basically include all the tags in the title. Example, "Help I've been isekai'd into a mouse and my cat is trying to eat me alive!"
>
Maybe a powerful or epic sounding subtitle. That tiny print between the big title lines.

>>24700689
what the fuck is this formatting

>>24700664
what's one more village idiot in this place.

>>24700691
don't reply to TINA or you'll encourage it

>>24700695
ah. forgot there was one who attention whored by formatting in a quirky way
my bad

>>24700693
He's the original village idiot. Everyone else lives in the shadow of his autism

>>24700673
>i do admire how utterly convinced he is that he's writing a masterpiece though
i had to read the first chapter and I was on another WN site not RR. Holy shit this has to be him. I mean I just had to read that first chapter. What struck me was the sheer volume of... *big*. When I was a little kid there used to be a thing about "big" movies. nd anything that said "Dino DeLaurentis" was going to be something big if nothing else. Original Conan with schwarzenegger, original DUNE.
>
When I read the first chapter its like a Dino DeLaurentis production. All its missing is that patented epic soundtrack. I found myself admiring the try-harder effort of all that more than critiquing the writing itself. Its ambitious if nothing else. I gave him 5 stars on the first chapter just on the effort alone. Perspiration gotta count for something.

>>24700685
>FFF-Chads, rise up and show your support against the /wg/ invaders!
>Creativity and love for your story >>> wasting time writing nothing but criticizing others
Tina-anon checking in. if I was doing this for the money or the quick dopeamine I'd be doing something else. trust me here.

>>24700715
>Perspiration gotta count for something.
It doesn't though. All that matters is the result. Readers don't give a fuck if the author spent 100 hours on a chapter or 10 minutes. They only care about how good it is

>>24700695
>don't reply to TINA or you'll encourage it
its cool. I ain't gonna be crab bait today. whatever, anon. I like separating my thoughts because long posts can get to wall of text. But carry on. I am non-plussed.

>>24700732
wait you're a crab?
why do both of the resident retards desire the downfall and unhappiness of their peers
attention seeking is indicative of actual spiritual evil

>>24700542
Tina has a novel? I have never once seen them or anyone else reference what they have written. Now I'm morbidly curious, what's it called?

>>24700722
>>Perspiration gotta count for something.
>It doesn't though. All that matters is the result. Readers don't give a fuck if the author spent 100 hours on a chapter or 10 minutes. They only care about how good it is
>
true. but consider the following. he has a handle on covers. Titling. a sense of big. If one day he has an epiphany about editing or rewriting, I'm trying to imagine that thing, for lack of a better word... fixed. I mean if there was a down and out great editor tht drank too much and is now working at Wal-Mart... pairing the editor with nothing else to do up with kinoman and his masterpiece? Chapter one, two, three might start to be more. Uhm. Dino DeLaurentis. I try to see it for what it could be.
>
There was recently this one writer in this one writing contest here. Anon's text was incredible. A writing coach/editor like *that*? Combined with the big world-building. Hell. Imagine if kinoman woek up one day and decided to take a break. And he grabbed "save the cat" and structured his 80k to 100k novel by that structure. *shrugs* hint, hint.

>>24700746
They have several: https://www.moonquillnovels.com/user/tina-migarlo/books
Only posted this one on RR though: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125587/merrys-present
>I have never once seen them or anyone else reference what they have written.
They did in the past, here and around /lit/, but it wasn't well accepted, so I suppose they stopped shilling it.

>>24700748
>And he grabbed "save the cat" and structured his 80k to 100k novel by that structure.
/wg/ fag detected
rigid plot structures like STC are extremely gay

>>24700721
my fellow brother

>>24700746
>Tina has a novel? I have never once seen them or anyone else reference what they have written. Now I'm morbidly curious, what's it called?
>
Which one. I have something of a catalog. I'm a work in progress. You would have to keep in mind though that I'm not trying to shoehorn myself (yet) into every WN tradition. Imagine someone trying to write a paperback crime hard-boil/noir as they were before books got pozzed (pre-1990). I made some face-reddening smut. I went for uber-smut because why fuck around. One hard science fiction. I concentrate on the crime noir the most.

>>24700751
Thanks, kindly Anon. I skimmed Chapter 1 and recognise it now from when they were asking for help on the synopsis (considering it looks exactly the same, I'm guessing all advice was ignored).

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>struggled with the first 2k words today, thought I would quit there
>accidentally wrote 3k more words after that and now it's the afternoon
Whoa... this is the power... of energy drinks...

>>24700780
you're going down a road I can't follow

>>24700780
proud of you dad

>>24700758
>/wg/ fag detected
>rigid plot structures like STC are extremely gay
I started out not liking and refusing to use outlines. I still don't. Not really. As a writing exercise I jotted down perhaps 15 to 20 sentence fragments. They were just partial sentences and not long. And that was my "outline". My big sprawl went away immediately. Once chapter one and two went fine I just turned the writing exercise into my next project. I aimed for 80k words and didn't come in too far over that. I felt it was my first reader-friendly paperback attempt yet. better pacing. DoIng better with the barely-an-outline approach, it gets me thinking. I wonder what a famous (infamous?) structure would be like. Not like I couldn't do every one of the 15 steps with a sentence fragment. As I look over heroes journey, save the cat, etc. I notice where I *have* some of these elements already. It makes me curious. Structure isn't automatically bad. But you do you.

TINA why do you infest /wng/ and not /wg/? web sloppa readers do not want to read your shitty attempts at revitalizing pulpy paperbacks. yes, i know tradpub and agents won't touch you, but you still belong in /wg/, not here

>>24700835
rude

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Its amazing how much my own Cultivation progression system has in common with "He Who Fights With Monsters" more videogame-like system
Even his plot point of High-gods wanting to expanding their influence isn't that different from what i had cooked

The thing is, i completely forgot the story existed before yesterday's thread. Its strange that i was influenced so much by the story when i fucking hate the MC.

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>no one answered my question last thread
>>24698053

So is there really no shonen-esque webnovels? Huh, that's genuinely surprising.

>>24700926
read literally any japanese light novel my guy

>>24700929
>read literally any japanese light novel my guy
Which ones though? I'm new to japanese light novels.
Also, I want to know if there's any of them on RoyalRoad.

>>24700926
>shonen-esque
I can kind of get what you're asking, but its hard to recommend any because many novels that start as shonen-esque get bogged down by western (or chinese or korean) sensibilities, so what starts as a genuine effort ends up as a parody or homage or just "Inspired by" instead of the real deal
This guy's advice is as close as you can get >>24700929
And even then, that also gets bogged down by isekai and "videogame culture" sensibilities
Instead of that, i would recommend to read old shonen manga instead if you want inspiration for your own writing, read the popular stuff that you missed out and try to translate those moments, characters and emotions to writing

>>24700963
>read literally any
>Which ones though?
the dumbest man alive

>>24700527
Cute how?

>>24700006
>Actually the real answer is that outside of /lit/ generals no one gives a fuck. Just look at the list of best ongoing series on RR, at least half feature a female MCs or an ensemble cast with prominent female roles. People here are not representative of the average reader.
Because the majority of average readers are women, you retard. It's not that surprising that fewer and fewer men read fiction books when every story is feMC. The only question is whether this hobby will see a similar decline like others when all the men are all driven out.

>>24701079
>Because the majority of average readers are women, you retard.
>The only question is whether this hobby will see a similar decline like others when all the men are all driven out.
Look at Webnovel's power ranking and tell me that shit again, its all #weak-to-strong and #harem power fantasies, the male audience isn't going anywhere

>>24701124
Webnovel is full of -90iq subhuman retards drooling at their mouth

Well I think I learned my lesson posting outside of /wng/

>>24700735
Narcissism is actually just demonic possession

>>24701142
Do you know what thread is this anon? That's your audience you're speaking

>>24701144
What happened, Cap'n?

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Turbo newfag here. So, I want to start writing my magnum opus on RoyalRoad. I read in some of the previous thread to immediately upload the first three chapters or so once I publish on there.

My real biggest question is, how many words/chapters should I have ready beforehand?

>>24701162
20k words. Please outline, preferably to the ending. I implore you. Also you want to upload once daily, not 3 at once.

>>24701162
Read the op

>>24701162
The OP has some reading material answering the most common questions

>>24701155
webnovel the site is not synonymous with webnovels as a format, retard

>>24701174
>webnovel the site is not synonymous with webnovels as a format, retard
Yes it is

I've been reading Webnovels at a furious rate, and they have one unifying problem---bad grammar. Just delouse your prose of simple mistakes, and your work will immediately vault to the top .01% of webnovels. The content is secondary to a good thorough edit-job.

>>24701162
study The Precepts

>>24701079
are you...are you implying royalroad is mostly female?

>>24701158
Got called a genre fiction poster :(

>>24701244
There there. Now you know not to venture over to that part of the woods.

So, what's your power system?

need royalroad femc reading gf

>>24701204
Incorrect. Grammar literally doesn't matter. It's all about how popular your premise is and how effectively the author delivers on that premise to the reader. That's why poorly translated LN from Japan and MTL webnovel slop from Asia in general has dominated western readership for the last 20 years. Yes, it is dominating, and yes, it has been dominating for that long. Publishing houses deliberately don't spread around that they're getting their lunch eaten by outsiders. This is mirrored in graphic novels / manga and cartoons / anime. The last holdout seems to be live action film but even then the artsy stuff is starting to lose out.

If I found out my gf was reading webnovels instead of Proust, I'd prolly give her the gate. Slop is my domain; she can read classics and whatever wins the Pulitzer that year.

So what the male webnovel audience wants is:
- powerfantasy
- a system (doesn't need to be LITRPG)
- harem (often)
- interesting/deep worldbuilding

did I get that right?

>>24701290
idk

>>24701290
what in the world makes you think they want harems?

>>24701290
what kind of question is this. can't you just ask yourself what you want to read?
you are male right?

>>24701314
Apparently there's a harem fan-community on r****t and it spills over into amazon sales and KU readership. I don't really get it, all the best harems were already done in anime like 15 years ago anyway.

I almost never see popular harem on RR.

>>24701321
>I almost never see popular harem on RR.
Was what I was getting at, yeah. Harem is a niche, not the default. RR hates harem. It's a little more popular on webnovel but still not standard. If you want to write harem, you go to Amazon.

Related to the FMC & royalroad discussion: I write fmc myself and can say for sure that most of my readers are male. It's not women reading fmc litrpg lol. I would be surprised if RR is any more than a 70-30 male/female split in general

>>24701350
if you read femc you're a female
if you write femc you're a female
sorry, thems the rules

>>24701350
For now. The more people write FMCs the more male audience you lose. Eventually you'll get the same situation as in trad publishing where the majority of books are FMC and male readers AND (new) male authors aren't wanted anymore.

>>24701332
Harem is everywhere on Webnovel. It's a common trope in Japanese, Korean, and Chinese web novels too. It's not the same genre as the Amazon haremfantasy though, because the above stuff isn't romance, but the Amazon ones kind of are.

>>24701361
>makes shit up
surely you wouldn't

>>24701290
You forgot the most important:
- proactive protagonist
That's what turns men away from reading FMCs.

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>>24701354
>planned next book has a loli MC
Uh...

>noreads speaking in generalities about shit they've never read

>>24701361
women are not going to take over power fantasy litrpg trash, i promise you. it takes a special kind of schizophrenia to even entertain the idea

>>24701377
hey ;))))

>>24701363
Are most of the popular stories on webnovel translated, or english original? Is it viable for an english author to try their hand there?

>>24701124
Yes. Webnovel, the one platform that's made by Asians. Western stuff is becoming more and more female focused, which drives away the male audience. This is even happening in movies now.
Do you think men prefer the novels with bad grammar that Webnovel is full of? Or do you think they prefer reading translations or even MTLs? Or maybe those are the only places that still cater to them?

>>24701383
you can, but they strangle you with the algorithm unless you take one of their shitty scam contracts

plus their numbers seem fake as fuck

>introduced gf to RR
>she's been reading random slop off rising stars
>she's started writing a zombie girl litRPG because the one from the cabal is so lame and poorly written it disappointed her and she said she could do it better
the foid take over is coming
girlbossbros, get ahead of the curve and start taking estrogen

>>24701383
They are English original these days. It's absolutely viable, but Webnovel has an insane amount of churn. People put out an absurd amount of content on there.
I've also heard that Webnovel as a platform can fuck over authors, but I've never published anything there so I don't know.

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>>24701387
Based. We need actual good zombie girls.