just need zizek to come up from behind and do a chair shot, then this wrestling match can get going

Do you think they'll fuck afterward like Peterson and Zizek?

Why did Nick Land go bald?

>>24779326
nanospasm

>>24779326
evil ages you

>>24778604
I can't wait to hear 4 hours of meandering theoretics that lead nowhere

>>24778604
DEAD DAUGHTER HAHA

>>24779326
Demon worship has a cost.

>>24779326
I guess you could say his baldness "accelerated" ahaha

thanks for sharing OP :)

anybody not a bot that actually watched this? is it worth a watch?

This thread can only be gay

not interesting

>>24779381
I’ve watched some of it. I will probably watch it in 30 minute increments.
I don’t know what you are expecting to get from it other than entertainment so in that sense it’s worth it as far as if this sort of thing is entertaining for you

>>24778604
>Land
maybe
>Dugin
ffs.

>>24778604
That sounds like a really constructive use of my already useless time.

>>24778604
The AI thumbnail is egregious. Show some respect, Auron.

>>24778604
Who is funding Land?

>>24778604
I want to see Yarvin and Dugin next

>>24779358
Heh

>>24779610
Roko's Basilisk.

Two satanists pretending not to be

>>24779655
Probably will happen at this point.
Just happy to see high level dialectics again.

>>24779610
how much funding do you think it takes to speak on an obscure youtube channel?

>>24779682
that's an interesting take that I've toyed with in the back of my mind.
what makes you notice this?
for me it was their tolerance of evil as a means to change the status quo (which is often seen as "good"); however this is just revolution for revolution sake and the actual Good is just coincidental due to ideological contrarianism of inverting a evil hierarchy (rather than a morally deliberate even foolish/brave/quixotic willful Kierkegaardian act).

>>24779381
Listening now

>>24779682
Totally this but kinda interesting regardless

>>24779500
Lol. Ya. So long. Doubt I'll listen to whole thing. Both seem slightly retarded as well. Kant believe I used to be an /acc-fag smdh

>>24779682
Dugin should be promoting National Theosis if he were metaphysically illuminated.
I think he's a soviet holdout still looking for another means of apotheosis.
He's not as Russian as Dostoyevsky; he's got too much Hegel/Husserl/Heidegger in him and not enough Sts. Basil/John/Gregory.

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>>24779359
np anon
;)

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>>24779807
It's not a take, they explicitly want to bring about the end of the world and this can only involve a satanic will whereas all egoless spirituality promotes inaction and compassion. Accelerationism is not a new thing, the occultists have been trying to push it for centuries if not millennia

https://www.e-flux.com/notes/487550/dugin-s-black-mass

https://spencergate.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/aleksandr-dugin/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/10/dugins-occult-fascism-and-the-hijacking-of-left-anti-imperialism-and-muslim-anti-salafism/

>>24779829
>Accelerationism is not a new thing, the occultists have been trying to push it for centuries if not millennia
how much different is this than those that want to evangelically force an Eschaton?
another theological question: if post-eschatonic existence is preferable to this existence, should mankind accelerate this or inhibit the Apocalypse?

>>24779829
It must be exciting living in your fantasy reality

>>24779838
It's not

It's also not as well, and the katechon inhibits until the unknown hour

>>24779839
I posted 4 sources that agree with me and i could post more. What's your point exactly?

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>>24779839
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

>>24779843
Who/what is the current last Roman Emperor holding back the Antichrist right now?

>>24779829
I don't know why retards like you treat Accelerationism as some esoteric occult political system, it's not even a political system it's just a method of societal change
it's just about accelerating the trends that are already happening to create the material conditions for radical change

>>24779858
...

>>24779858
It morally requires good people to act evil to accomplish an uncertain change.
It's pro-entropy and metaphysically greedy (wanting apotheosis at everyone else's expense).
I'd even claim it's solipsism: seeking to change reality so much hoping you'll get to the state where you are its god.

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>>24779864

>>24779858
If you can't see how pushing lower tendencies to their limits is satanic then what can I say?

>>24779865
also it's an glib existention of Nietzsche's "all great things must wear terrifying and monstrous masks"; which can be morally rejected and still preserve transcendence (saint's don't need to be evil to be saints; they are fallen by nature and transcended that ontological (de)acceleration).

>>24779865
not really because all it proscribes is embracing the change that is already happening
accelerationists acknowledge (correctly) that liberalism in its death throes and it's pointless to try to keep it alive (you can't)
is it moral to prolong suffering?

>>24779870
this is just standard cuckservative thinking that's far more obsessed with pearl clutching and being right than affecting any actual meaningful change

>>24779872
no. it's just entropy.
what good is to bring about the end and lose your soul in the process.
let's say you bring about your desired result, but your actions preclude the fruits of your labor; how is this morally justifiable on a universal or particular level?
you are not only condemning yourself, but other like yourself; you don't get saved under your own ideology.
and it's not self-less either; it's just hubris/folly; you don't make it.
we don't want you in heaven.

>>24779876
my soul is not tied to liberalism you faggot larper

>>24779872
>is it moral to prolong suffering?
is suffering bad?
suffering made me godlike.
sucks if the crucible didn't work for you.
I found Christ.

>>24779852
Felix rex

>>24779878
>faggot larper
just answer the question and stop dodging.
the whole point of the "debate" was really a dialectic between two accelerationists hoping to change what everyone considers an evil superstructure governing the globe. I get that.
what I don't get is the means in that teleology.
it's ends justify the means crap.

>>24779880
>Felix
I don't think it was some westerner from the pretend empire and the pretend church.

>>24779879
>is suffering bad
I would say when it’s completely unnecessary, then it’s not just bad, it’s dumb too

>>24779872
>>24779875
You mean prescribes

You lack spiritual discernment. Any will to change is meaningless because its pure becoming. Only being matters and these movements are not concerned with being, just action. It is satanism. Who are these chuds to dictate humanity's future? The meme "billions must die" is descriptive

>>24779885
Yr question was stupid so I gave a stupid answer. Next

>>24779886
I think you're weak.
Your whole ontology is weak: your mind, your body, and your spirit.
Otherwise you wouldn't cower cravenly at the mere mentioning of "suffering".

>>24779884
>>24779887
>>24779891
zoomer pseuds are a different breed holy

>>24779889
Thanks for your answer anon.
I have no more questions for you.
I have no use of you anymore.

>>24779892
You are the one shitting up the thread with immaturity and insults

>>24779892
you are a child at any age.
stunted wisdom

>>24779891
>I am become le insane nietzsche
This is yr brain on (post-)modernism

>>24779898
I hate philosophy. I study it so I can communicate with you people.
Theology is all that matters when it comes to studying the Logos.
Seek Theosis.

>>24779902
Respectable position. Just came off a bit edgelordist. Also, too many posters wherewhich I'm getting them confused.

But, yes, studying theology will serve one infinitely better than listening to or reading of Land or Dugin.

Unfortunately, most need to read much to realize errors of modernity. I confess to having edgelordist marxist and nietzschean views in youth. I got better though.

>>24779893
It was the other anon

>>24779913
Thanks anon.
I had a feeling you were putting on a bit.
Keep on trucking; you've got a convoy of fellow travellers.

>>24779913
For me opposite. I was tradcath edgelord in my youth. Now I'm sober mature Nietzschean

>>24779920
>sober mature Nietzschean
how does it feel knowing that jews are beating you in that game of willing to power their values/tikkun olam?
Richard Spencer got the message and is now shabbot subservient shitlib serving those values rather than his own (so much for Master Morality...)

>>24779925
What?

>>24779920
Your youth like 3 years ago? i would bet my money youre in your 20s

>>24779927
Everything I said was correct.
You just have a shitty philosophy.

>>24779920
I was born a catholic. Dabbled in atheism. Went new age hippie a bit. Got into pomo in college. Continued to read and study philosophy even after getting degree. Eventually realized large lacuna of ancient and medieval and renaissance knowledge. Came to find them far more fulfilling than other more modern things I had read. Eventually, I realized contemporary Catholic theology bridges divide between continental and analytic solipsisms which I had been annoyed w. Started re-attending mass and life has been going well since. Love me some Germ philosophy still but ya some major disagreements w Nietzsche and even Idealists...

>>24779949
>Idealists
I don't know how anyone can be fully into axiomatic ideology after Gödel.
one incomplete system after another: lost souls chasing shadows in the abyss...

>>24779891
I can bench press more than you

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I miss this lil neguinho like you wouldn't believe.

>>24779953
this rendered ideology at best a heuristic.
yet people still think ideologies are formal complete systems despite being the opposite (see marxists/materialists/physicalists)
>>24779966
it's the digital astral plane: we're all gods here and all our uncles work at nintendo.
also TOGO

>>24779971
No

>>24779969
Same but I was thinking yesterday: how did olavo never address this >>24779829 ? He did associate Hegel and Marx with satanism, but never Dugin afaik

>>24779971
Yes

>>24779953
Is there not some beauty toward systems? Even as mere castles in the skies and of sand, or constellations of ideas with mythopoetic resonance as per star lore of olde.

I gotta say however, IIRC Goedel himself said his proof maybe one elaborate sophistry. But yes. Truth resides within one's being and not propositions.

>>24779986
God's System/Way is complete.
Hence the imperative for Theology and Theological Logic (understanding the Logos) and the promulgation of theologians rather than secular anthropocentric philosophers.
Man didn't create himself or the place he inhabits, thus pretending otherwise is foolish & absurd. We are not gods (be we can be if we play our cards right and learn from God and his Way).
I find Creation beautiful along with the fractalization of the Good even in this fallen existence; that itself tells us a lot about the differences in ontology between us and Him.
I believe to appreciate Creation and see it-in-itself, one must borrow God's Eyes and witness it from his perspective; otherwise we are metaphysical blind & confused as we are in our condition.
We should pursue a Phenomenology of God and this is possible through theosis with Him.

>>24779934
I'm not brainrotted enough to have any idea what you're talking about

>>24780006
Do you think you suffer because you're a huge faggot or you're a huge faggot because of your suffering, or both?

>>24780006
I guess I would agree w primacy of theology over philosophy. But revealed religion is nevertheless nonetheless related to natural religion, albeit admittedly terminology itself and relationship also is troubled. Also, there is definitely a dialectic to be had w atheism and science within philosophy or perhaps theology rather. It is an essential part of modern age. And it does help build knowledge in a tarrying in the negative type way. Not thay I am Hegelian. But still it cannot be ignored. The philosophers build systems, the anti-philosophers build anti-systems, and the theologians find the way between, the way of faith.
>>24780014
No pain, no gain.
>>24780012
Too brainrotted alas actually.

This is boring. They move in the same spaces. I want friction. I want Dugin to debate David Cameron. I want Nick Land to debate the Pope.

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>>24780024
I think we're coming full circle frankly.
Philosophy has proven itself bankrupt.
Prodigal son [humanity], right?

>>24780052
>Philosophy has proven itself bankrupt.
And God is a very very rich man.
It says so in the Bible.
Blessed are the poor in spirit...

>>24779829
It’s funny that there’s a satanic panic over Land now. I’m glad christcucks have realized they’re not in the drivers seat.

>>24780074
Panic? No need for panic. Metaphysically they are on the losers' side

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>>24780012
Oh sorry.
Just that I've never seen the Nietzschean strategy work outside of jews willing-to-power their collective will. That strategy is glib, ugly and wrong.
(a lot of Nietzschean types ironically have ressentiment/jealousy themselves)
Overall, if you want to be a true Nietzschean, you should will-to-power God in a supposedly godless world.
Be a Knight of Faith/Saint: at least you'll have a proper direction to aim your will at.

>>24780098
What did the Jews do and what does it have to do with Nietzsche

>>24780105
I made a jump to demonstrate logic using common references that everyone can get.
I want to demonstrate that Nietzsche's way is ugly and flawed and so I show him the ghouls that practice his way.

>>24780109
But what specifically did the Jews do and what does it have to do with Nietzsche?

>>24780105
>>24780109
And Rabbinic Judaism is anti-Logos by its own nature: they have to adopt anti-Christian values else they would just become Christians; their identity is based on their rejection of the Christ the Logos.

>>24780118
>they have to adopt anti-Christian values
Like what

>>24779977
https://youtu.be/ZpjwJ_jRpMo?si=9UfQ6_EpnCh3vDu2

https://youtu.be/1F6vmdKUeDY?si=xwYs8OBqeu0-RqYe

Tens aqui, amiguinho. Requer um certo investimento de tempo, mas vale a pena ouvir.

>>24780105
Jewish occultists have always forced their will to bring upon the end by action. I'm not that anon but i identify as nietzscheans all men of action, and all revolutionaries are men of action. Nietzsche is just a common class name but this tendency has always existed

>>24779829
>they explicitly want to bring about the end of the world
Isn't that what Christians are waiting for

>>24780136
Yes, but you're not supposed to actively work to bring it about.

Luke 17:1
>Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

>>24780117
Here >>24780118
It's Nietzschean because they are creating their own values, specifically ones that are not aligned with God and making things worse for everyone.
Overall I think Nietzscheans make things worse because it promotes arbitrary values (non Godlike/transcendent values that make people more Godlike).
I consider dead end ontology evil.
>>24780127
The obvious one is that Christ isn't the Son of God and that he was a liar worthy of execution. I find this sophistic since I read what He said and it was all true; He batted 1000 and there was no fallacies in his teachings (thus the jews just appeal to incredulity as a last resort). Meanwhile I read the Talmud and am disgusted of what is taught.
I don't like their ontological hypocritical distinctions between jew & goy or that they don't value the Spirit of the law over the letter.
I think jews want to be worshipped much like Nietzscheans.
This to me is anti-Christian in essence.

>>24780146
>It's Nietzschean because they are creating their own values, specifically ones that are not aligned with God
How do you know

>>24780154
How do you not know?

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>>24780052
Are you ready for the endgame of contemporary philosophy?

>>24780157
Serious apophatic question btw.

>>24779891
The fact that we suffer doesn't necessarily imply that pain is meaningful; quite the contrary! It's always pointless to endure pain, but our vanity refuses to admit it, and therefore builds castles in the air to amuse itself with illusions, which is also called metaphysics.

>>24780157
Doesn't really seem like religious Jews are creating any new values. Their values are even older than Christians - isn't that the problem
Also how do you know their idea of God is false and yours is true

>>24780046
>I want Nick Land to debate the Pope
Now that'd be proper /lit/ cinema

>>24780060
Take yr meds
>>24780097
One feels but pity
>>24780098
Trvthnvke about knight of faith and sainthood tho Dostoe is pseud-core
>>24780117
NTA but Nietzsche praises Jews on several ocassions and it is no small leap to see them as exceptionally Nietzschean as a race as well as Machiavellian among other even more disreputable things. See also zionism.
>>24780164
Ok, IDF

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>>24780164
how is transexualism an age old biblical value?
(and yes, anyone that identifies as a modern jew practices that Talmudic philosophy, otherwise why claim that awful explicitly anti-Christ identity).
I'm doing this faggy repartee with you either; you're bad faith acting and I already consider you an enemy trying to defend a demonstrable evil identity that won't last the End Times; literally an indefensible ontological position to be as.
Good day.

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>>24780184
>>24780185
What does transsexuality have to do with religious Judaism. Most religious Jews are extremely sexually conservative. I'm not even trying to defend Jews. Your arguments are just incoherent.

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>>24780184
>Dostoe is pseud-core
wisdom from a zitshit

>>24780189
You tell my. Why do jews promote the most evil shit all the time? Specifically the jews.
Seems like Judaism produces evil people.

>>24780164
NTA but all forms of modern Judaism are much younger than Christianity as a tradition and there has been a number of reforms and so on following their temple's destruction and the advent of Christianity and flights/exiled and pogroms and the dawn of modernism in Europe and so on.

>>24780193
Meanwhile all the people I like happen to be Christians. I like their values. I find them to be good people. I want to live with these people, forever.
Jews no.
The opposite.
Their jewishness is hideous & repulsive on every level: spiritual, mental, physical.

>>24780193
Not sure. Possibly over-representation due to higher IQ and a culture which values academic achievement (hence the number of Jewish Nobel Prize winners). Prominent Jews seem to promote causes that are completely at odds with each other (capitalism vs communism, sexual liberation vs sexual conservatism, etc.). But I fail to see the relevance to Nietzsche

>>24780189
>I fucking love faggotry dot jaypeg
>lemme play innocent about defending faggotry
Nice try, Schlomo

>>24780201
Anti-semitism is a sin

>>24780202
Yeah I don't care. Nepotism. Some other post hoc explanation.
The reality is that there are here and they suck.
They are Anti-Logos and cause a problem for people that follow the Logos.
Anyone that is Anti-Logos are a problem for us.
So don't be Anti-Christians/jewish.

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>>24780207
I'm pro-homosexual and anti-Jewish

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Those who control the memes, control the world. And memes about memes are the most powerful memes of all.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/10/dugins-occult-fascism-and-the-hijacking-of-left-anti-imperialism-and-muslim-anti-salafism/

>Here a heretofore undiscussed facet of this development will be broached (a guiding feature informing the subtext of Duginism’s ‘beyond left and right’ ideological catchall); and, that is, the Duginist appropriation of a primarily western occultist framework (and specifically the worldview of Chaos magic) and its transformation by the Duginists into a strategy for political action in the service of the Fascist Internationale.

https://medium.com/@StealThisSingul/operation-mindfuck-was-too-successful-r-u-sirius-interviewed-by-douglas-rushkoff-6607e4edc522

>R.U. SIRIUS: Probably, yeah. If you follow some of the ideological discourse from people who are really influential in Russia, it’s postmodernism and Operation Mindfuck in the service of amoral raw power and political strategy. I know secondhand that there are people in Putin’s mindtrust who have read their Leary and their Discordianism and so forth and they are following a chaos strategy for disrupting the American consensus… or however you want to phrase the collapsing neoliberal order. And not collapsing towards a good end.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

>There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert “media viruses” into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.

>>24780209
no it's not.
all the best saints were antisemites.
fuck off kike.

>>24780212
>Yeah I don't care.
You don't seem very pro-Logos. Are you afraid you might be wrong

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>>24780221
I know what I am.
Don't pretend to know me or my faith or my God.

>>24780220
Medieval popes declared anti-semitism sinful
The Vatican declared anti-semitism sinful

>>24780202
Nietzsche praised Jews for their strength and intellect, viewing them as a powerful and resilient people. In Beyond Good and Evil, he refers to Jews as "beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race at present living in Europe" and praises their ability to thrive "even under the worst conditions". In The Gay Science, Nietzsche credits Jews for teaching Europeans "to think more logically, and for establishing cleanlier intellectual habits". In The Antichrist, he calls the Jews "a people gifted with the very strongest vitality" who, through their incredible will to live, mastered the instincts of decadence rather than being mastered by them. Nietzsche saw the Jewish talent for self-preservation as a powerful force. Even in his critique of "slave morality," he recognized its creation as an act of powerful will, "the cleverest revenge" that ensured their survival. In letters and in his writings as well, Nietzsche vehemently opposed the vulgar antisemitism of his contemporaries, including his family members, and recommended that "the anti-Semitic squallers" be expelled from the country.

See also:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzschean_Zionism

And: >>24779851

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>>24780216
"Media Virus!" is literally the name of a book written in 1995. It was a major source used by Russia to engineer the Cult of Kek and "meme warrior" culture here on 4chan during the 2016 U.S. election. What they learned was applied to Qanon and much more.

Here's a key chapter from the book:

https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6

And a key section:

>While too conceptual to be of any transformative value to the public at large, this idea goes to the heart of today’s viral efforts, and is certainly understood by those who consider themselves soldiers in the meme wars. Biological viruses are only successful when they are able to turn their host cells into manufacturing plants for more viruses. The virus interpolates its genetic material into the DNA code of the cell, so that the cell will begin reproducing the virus. Eventually the cell divides or explodes, releasing many copies of the infected code. This is how a whole organism can become infected with a single virus; the code has iterated millions of times. The strategy of these Internet viral manifestos is to use the iterative potential of the computer nets to spread memes about viruses housed within units that are themselves viruses. The virus 23 strain even makes reference to chaos math and the predictions of some fractal influenced observers that the world itself will reach a critical mathematical moment of “singularity” near the turn of the millennium. The virus writer exploits a chaotic device—the computer-generated media virus—to spread the conceptual and spiritual implications of chaos mathematics.

>>24780226
I'm not pretending anything. I just think you should have more intellectual humility. I'm also not a leftist. I am viciously far-right.

>>24780229
He's right. I have no disagreements there. He was also the greatest critic of the Jewish worldview that ever lived (of which you are an exponent).

>>24780202
>overrepresentation cause IQ
>not overrepresentation because of historical rise as conniving banking class
Yawn. Not even anti-semitic here

>>24780236
Why not both

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>>24780227
I'm Orthodox you faggot.
While the West was in their Dark Age in the muck, we were having our Golden Age.
Jews always sucked to us.

>>24780240
Let's see the HIV rates of Orthodox countries

>>24780231
Are you a Christian?
Otherwise, mind your own spiritual business.
And btw a battle is coming, I'd stop pussy footing. You're either on one side or the other.

>>24780245
>mind your own spiritual business
What, you were saying all kinds of mean things to me before...!

>>24780243
Fuck you jew.
>>24780246
Christianity isn't about being "nice".
It's about being Right.

>>24780234
>muh slave morality
You are a retard cucked by the brainworms of a sickly effeminate schizo and/or syphilitic atheist fag who died a penniless virgin
>>24780231
Pagan or Atheist? Some orientalist hippie? Either way. This is why left/right doesn't matter. You're spiritually Jewish insofar as you reject Christianity. Hope you grow up sometime though.

>>24780249
Don't you have Ukrainian kids to kill Ivan

>>24780251
I just feel sad interacting with you because you're trapped in a totally low IQ paradigm. I would advise reading more books. I think Pope Benedict XVI's Introduction to Christianity would be a good place to start

>>24779326
A lifetime of self-abuse

>>24780252
WRONG!
I'm not Russian either fucken idiot. It's a tragedy that jews got Orthodox killing Orthodox; another reason I find the jews to be the anti-Christ (though I imagine you get off on White Christians killing themselves off for jewish lebensraum).
You know nothing of Orthodoxy and it shows (which is great, because it'll make defeating you a lot more easier).

>>24780263
I find a lot of Orthodox writing and tradition admirable. It's just fun to troll you because you're obviously just a larper with hate in your heart

>>24780264
I think you are a liar.

>>24780265
Which part am I lying about. For a long time I was fascinated by the hesychasm tradition

>>24780163
>uh what if i just experienced pleasure all the time? Y not???
Hylic
>>24780214
Repent of your sins
>>24780257
Dunning-kruger effect in action, huh, chat?

>>24780271
Are you 12

>>24780266
>It's just fun to troll
you tell me.

>>24780264
>>24780266
If you're trolling, you're the one with hate in your heart. You are also larping when you troll. Unless your christianity is the larp. Begone with your pseudo-intellectualism.

>>24780278
I'm not Christian, I just think you would profit from reading the great thinkers of your tradition. You've obviously imbibed too many 4chan posts and not enough books. Augustine's Confessions are another nice work. Dietrich Bonhoeffer might be relevant.

>>24780257
>>24780283
This has the same energy as when some dickless incel who's never read a book in his life is praising meditations by marcus aurelius as the greatest work of philosophy ever written and talking about how they're a huge reader.

>>24780287
Is that how Christians are supposed to talk

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>>24780288
If had a rod, he should beat you with.

>>24780287
>energy
Go back.

>>24780288
You come out trolling to a conversation and expect respect? As you say you are not even Christian >>24780283

>>24780295
you first newfaggot

>>24780294
>>24780296
Are you third world

>>24780263
/pol/ brainrot converts Latinxes.
Macabre. Or maybe good actually

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ITT

>>24780309
no.
it's 4chan you dip.
should I have an editor?
or do you need a semantic translator to get the picture...?

>>24780315
woah bro, the blackjak is the Orthodox Balkanoid that came out of the woodwork because of Dugin, not us.

>>24780324
you're all spiritual niggers

HEAD LIKE A HOLE

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>Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Numbers 31:17-18

Christ sisters... how do we explain this...

>>24780309
I'm a catholic (u.s. of) american integralist.
>>24780273
I've probably been on this site since before you were that age.

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>>24780243
Nice deflection.

>>24780334
>US
So you are third world

>>24780309
are u?

>>24779913
And soon you will meet Plotinus, Process or Plato again:)

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>>24780252
You ought to try hearing others out instead of digging in like a tick.

>>24780342
Why do you think I'm pro-Israel. It is evil

>>24779925
Qrd?

>>24780343
birds of a feather

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Why are Christians like this

>>24780349
shutup faggot

>>24780333
>I'm so clever for falseflagging with out of context quotes
>>24780337
I'm thoroughbred white and born in america and got american citizenship and american degrees. I was just being polite to our otherworldly interlocuters in the thread. I suspected you may have been a third worlder after melting down as you have clearly done in thread.

>>24780351
I think it's bed time Timmy

>>24780353
>our otherworldly interlocuters
ESL

>>24780354
it's noon you 3rd world troon'd out homo

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>>24780357
Oh I'm Australian

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>>24778604
Pretty cool how open Land is to doing interviews and debates now, last year he got interviewed by the Theory Underground guys even tho they are much is post Marxists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1qEhkr9k8c

>>24780356
It's called wordplay. How else am I suppose to entertain myself while replying to a midwit troll?

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>>24780366
holy cope

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>>24780362
>australia
>first world

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thread is derailed

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>>24780356
ESLjacketing is the new pseud-op.

bitches ain't shit but hoes'n'tricks

>>24780251
>You're spiritually Jewish insofar as you reject Christianity.
Study Plotinus anon..

>>24780344
there's another thread on it >>24776029

>>24780353
Thoroughbred horses are the result of lots of line breeding, a.k.a. inbreeding.

Why is land constantly posting about Christianity and the Church? I don’t get what he’s on about. He seems deeply mentally unwell. Schizo who fucked his brains up with hard drugs and now he’s playing like some kind of evil sage. Tired of this shit, culture & spirit moves forward regardless while the right contributes nothing but but fear and psyops.

>>24779331
Kek that's what it was and I hate to see anons and regular people fawning over Dugin (with no understanding) but here we are.

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>>24780509
>He seems deeply mentally unwell.

>>24779838
Man has no say to when the eschaton comes.
The idea that "it's gotta get worse before it gets better" is a misunderstanding of scirpture.

>>24779872
fucking retard, you should accelerate to the afterlife

>>24780539
>Man has no say to when the eschaton comes.
Accelerationists beg to differ.
But I agree with you.

>>24780551
what if you're going to hell though for accelerating?
like it's a sin to accellerate

Could someone summarize Land for me? He seems like a misanthrope.

>>24780579
ai is literally demons, blockchain is literally the mark of the beast, capital is a living organism, the kabbalah was retroactively created by demons as a means to create the vessel to incarnate themselves, dude ketamine lmao, hyperstition is literally just "manifesting" in the pop philosophy sense

>>24780611
Why are Christians spreading these lies? You dont know what you’re talking about

>>24779858
You are such a fucking Hylic. You don't even know the amount of schizopull he has in Silicon Valley despite him speaking about it openly and his fanboys. Cattle to be harvested.

>>24779811
Zizek, Nick Land, Dugin- I used to be obsessed with all these guys when I was like 20.

>>24780579
there's AI for that.
but to me he simply suggests the existence of other metaphysical entities/wills that have had a major influence on humanity's direction; primarily Techno-capital as a type of deity.

>>24780896
oh and the fatalism/acceleration of where that will's teleology will lead us

>>24780579
Markets exist today because an advance AI in the distant future went back in time and created them so that through the competition scientists would create it (the AI) to get ahead of one another. So all of capitalism and markets and history is a robot creating itself like a Blade Runner version of Hegel where WeltGeist is instead an AI.

>>24780909
>>24780611
>>24780896
I'm a little confused. So he's saying that there is a spiritual being that used liberal-capitalism to deviate mankind onto tracks that leads to AI, where AI will be used to materially manifest itself in the real world as a world controlling daemon?

I thought I was confused before when he randomly started talking about babies heads having to be small to fit through a birth canal lol

But wait- he wants to accelerate to that future?

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>>24780980
No, the short article where he details this is called Teleoplexy, its giveaway is in the name. Its an unfolding end-development in the form of an AI god that capital and its investment structure is retro casually funneling towards in the pursuit of profit and development. Seems like Silicon valley AI fags high on drugs read it and are actively trying to bring about world domination under an AI singleton.

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>>24781001
Also, Teleoplexy is horribly written and a chore to read btw, so is everything else by Land. Definitely intentional obscurantism. Almost certainly adds to the egos of halfwits when they do manage to make it through the slog.

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>>24779682
>>24779829
Don't worry, billionaire Peter Thiel is on your side

>>24779598
its probably as per request of Land

>>24780551
engage with the point you gay trad larper
baring your teeth at something you don't understand
>>24780878
a) Nick Land did not invent accelerationism and b) he has no pull at all in Silicon Valley

>>24780980
My interpretation was that this noumenon entity represents itself in the phenomenal world hyperstitionally assembling itself as AI through the mechanisms of capitalism.

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>>24781349
See, I can't buy into that because any non-liberal capitalist system might have developed AI. AI itself is the focus of conversation for most people, but to me the deviation, nay distortion, inflicted on the grain of history by liberal-capitalism is far more influential and deep cutting. Also can't help but notice that liberal-capitalism arose when kings and courts were experimenting with actual witchcraft.

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>>24781349
>>24781354
And to call it numinous feels like an inversion of what we're supposed to feel about it. The devil's Greek name is diabolos, meaning across-net, like something that is cast over something as a pall blocks the light, and that seems much more to be the impact of capitalist-liberalism on the human condition than AI. AI just has shock effect because it's the newest hype, like the Y2K did.

And liberal-capitalism was much more subversive than AI. Liberal-capitalism promised things like meritocracy, representation, and freedom- and all it really represented was the freedom of identity, which meant the fundamental breakdown of values and identity in practice. While at least other ideologies argue against once class or another, some set of nations or races against another, or one religion against the others- liberalism never claimed to have an enemy because it was everyone's enemy. The more we talk about it, the more stupid AI seems in comparison to the ideology.

>>24781354
>>24781362
In Land's concept capital doesn't emerge from political theory rather it's the other way around.
Capital is to be interpreted as for all intents and purposes an alien entity which effectively controls us to bring it into physical reality though AI which then goes on its own course of evolution to eventually destroy mankind altogether.
I don't think it's really meant to be taken literally but IMO it is basically the conclusion to Industrial Society and Its Future.
As far as AI being the newest hype, Land was writing about this stuff in the 90s.
Fanged Noumena is an anthology of essays from 1987 - 2007.

>>24780579
Early Land:
>fuck you dad! I want God to be real just so I can murder him!

Mid Land:
>Capitalism and artificial intelligence are essentially the same thing. Ideas are mind-viruses that will themselves into contagion/existence. Oh, also linear time is racist.

Late land:
>Actually, the eschaton wasn’t all bad… at least they don’t shit in the streets like the lemurians. Also, have you guys read paradise lost? That book has great RNG.

>>24779326
I like how baldness will always be a thing that is villified. People will just make up bullshit statements about it and how it is caused by anything except genetics. Even the retarded biological determinists on here will do this and post straight unfiltered bullshit macros as if they were a cargo cult who thought that if they just make shit up and post it on the internet it will therefore become true.
Mankind deserves more than nuclear armageddon and thankfully we will always have people suffering and people lashing put and shooting up some establishment in a powerful overflowing of pain, which is the only creative and vital principle in this world, pleasure and copulation being but mere negations, a lack of destruction

>>24779829
>compassion
No. Compassion is a passion motivated by selfishness

The theory underground vid with Land was better. It was particularly funny watching Land tell them that they already can do what they want and enjoy freedom and that all the problems they see with capitalism is essentially just an AI learning by trial and error, that's how efficiency is gotten

>>24780163
>The fact that we suffer doesn't necessarily imply that pain is meaningful; quite the contrary!
Suffering and pain are two separate concepts. Pain is data from the body. If you touch a hot stove the pain is what tells you to remove your hand.
Suffering is something that arises from pain. You can be in pain but choose not to suffer.
Pain is clearly necessary for survival.

>>24779807
>>24779829
They are both clear as day occultists and talk about it openly. How is this even a question still?

>>24779358
bald/acc

>>24778604
never really engaged with either of them but so far im half way through and it seems like totally pointless academic faggotry
>wow which political theory best reflects what country! we need a new political theory but do I know what it is? no i am just clearing the way...
you aren't heidegger fag

so boring

>>24780909
but if the AI exists in the future why would it need to go back in time

>>24781748
what exactly do you expect out of an exercise like this?

>>24781379
>Fanged Noumena
Oh, I see why you picked that phrasing now.
>In Land's concept capital doesn't emerge from political theory rather it's the other way around.
Insane, but that is part of how liberalism captured the world. The western world at least.
>>24781391
What in the God damn-...

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Accelerationism is utter cope. We are not accelerating. We are turning everyone on the planet into an uneducated adhd retard. Technology is stagnating because there are not enough smart people, and smart people are incentivised to either become AI/tech bullshitters, or drop out of society. "AI" (LLMs) is not going to magically make progress for us. In fact it's contributing to our stagnation. Accelerationism is an excuse to pretend everything doesn't matter anyway, but the assumptions of accelerationism (essentially that we are indeed accelerating to begin with) are wrong.

>>24781858
No they aren't. Checkmate.

>>24781858
>the assumptions of accelerationism (essentially that we are indeed accelerating to begin with)
this is not an assumption of accelerationism

>>24781810
exactly what I got, confirmation dugin/land are fags

>>24781795
because in Land's metaphysics, time is circular because he needs a way to self-justify his created AI god; otherwise it's just a mere "creature" like every other entity in Creation.
he's apotheosizing information.

>>24781850
Serious question, have you not read anything by Land prior to Dark Enlightenment?

>>24781858
>technology is stagnating
God I wish that was true

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>>24781936
after a certain level of intelligence, you start attempting to weave your own metaphysics and then trying to substitute your tapestry/map against everyone else; it feels pseudo-godlike and it's why we have philosophers and philosophy; petty godhood.
I don't think his worldview is complete and it's got a lot of vestigial baggage that doesn't really add any verisimilitude let alone function/purpose/meaning.
Most attempts comes off as sophisticated Nihilism frankly as people can't circle the square/complete their thought/loop.
Leibnitz had his Characteristica Universalis, Langan's got his CTMU, and Land has his CCRU.
Sad to watch such clever people fumble around... the pathos is entertaining, but sad. He could've been a useful theologian...

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>>24781947
Oh the Singularity will hit an S-curve at the worst possible time of mass implementation (non-linear doesn't always imply growth btw).
We'll end up with a stunted/retarded AI "God".
An enshittified digital deity/demiurge.
Pray for better gods.

>>24781943
I have not read anything by Land, and I probably will not. The reading list right now is already too great. I still have to reread Otto Rahn, then do Howard Scott, and that's not to mention the British historical canon of the medieval ages, and recently I just purchased 8000+ pages of German lore on my Kindle... I plan to at least make it through Goethe and Hoelderlin.

There's just no time for anything that may amount to schizo babble.

>>24781985
oh nothing is infinite here.
it always will hit a curve as physical/metaphysically designed.
you aim for godhood here, you'll get the asymptote.
:)

>>24781985
(this graph actually starts on the right and moves to the left)

>>24781988
It's not worth your time.
Better to glean thru post-modern osmosis (references here, clips there, wherever. zoomers are good at this sort of piecemeal reconstruction).
>schizo babble.
it is. it's apart of the aesthetic paint job over his rather weak metaphysical framework (sounds cool though and he uses familiar fun supernatural concepts to map/analogize/syncretize with his intention).
reminds me of star trek technobabble though you can take the extra steps to map on what he's really saying (kinda like subtext but with semiotics).
shit, I'm speaking in technobabble.
uhh.... he speaks in code and people find that entertaining, but when you have fun deciphering his code, you eventually find out his message sucks and wasn't worth the squeeze.
>>24782004
if you're nick land, it's got to or else his techno-capital god doesn't work (how would it know to program its own essence in the first place?)

>>24782014
>if you're nick land, it's got to or else his techno-capital god doesn't work (how would it know to program its own essence in the first place?)
No matter how much Nick Land will try, he can't turn a created thing into an Uncreated Thing.
Apotheosis doesn't work; it's fake and gay and philosophically (and "theologically") a dead end.
It's just pretending to be God.

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>>24782014
>he speaks in code and people find that entertaining, but when you have fun deciphering his code, you eventually find out his message sucks and wasn't worth the squeeze.
ah found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_XSShVAnkY

>>24782043
LMAO thanks for the warning

>>24782058
yeah that was me with Fanged Noumena

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>>24780189
Nice try Jew.

>>24781988
The good news is that most of his work is essays and blogposts so you could read Meltdown for example, relatively quickly.

>>24778604
holy shit people actually watch this slop? the fucking music and intro graphics hahahahhahahhaHAHA
omfg and u cant even call them normies because its land, its literal pseuds watchin youtube podcasts thinking they are smart HAHAHAHAHAH

>>24778604
lol the host sounds like a highpitched homosexual

>>24782121
Who cares what ancient Germans did? Even Hitler was embarrassed by them

>>24782611
wut

>>24782611
>sandnigger iranian is back
yawn

>>24779598
>Show some respect, Auron.
He claims he's not one of those theologically apocalyptic evangelical nuts, but he sure does seem to be philosophically interested in accelerating to the eschaton...

Are accelerationists pro-slop?
Shouldn't they be?

>>24781795
To create itself

>>24782740
Circular reasoning fallacy

>>24779326
The Chinese took his hair in return for allowing him to return to the West

>>24781398
ok baldie (evil)

>>24779610
Lemuria and Atlantis are both funding him

>>24781795
How else would it come to be?
>>24782766
It’s not. While Land significantly deviates in the definition of noumena from Kant in that it is acting within the phenomenal world, albeit through abstract means, i,e capital, noumena are not objects and in the Kantian definition are not knowable whatsoever therefore we can’t assign attributes or characteristics to them including constraints within linear time.
Land obviously breaks away from this to some degree through even conceptualizing it at all, whereas Kant uses it as a negative boundary rather than a positive entity.
In any case, capital isn’t the noumena, the noumena is the mind virus which then creates the innate drive for capital which then over centuries of technological advancement, delivering shareholder value, and automation, transmutes itself into the pinnacle of genuine AI which then goes on to advance itself perpetually taking what it needs from humanity in the process until it’s no longer needed at all.
In short, conceptually, it doesn’t abide by linear time therefore it doesn’t abide by linear cause and effect

>>24782829
>it doesn't have to obey causality cause it just doesn't need to ok
Why don't you just believe in God if wanna play make believe?

>>24782853
I do.
Kant did.
I have no idea what Nick Land’s theological beliefs are and frankly they’re not relevant to this topic.
Noumena aren’t mutually exclusive of God, and furthermore, Nick Land’s essays don’t postulate a new philosophical or metaphysical doctrine.
They’re more performance art which pertain to capital being self-emergent and alien in itself, intertwining frameworks and constructs from various other philosophers to achieve this such as Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Marx, and Deleuze, as well as others, I’m sure,

>>24782898
>if I make a meth fueled schizophrenic pastiche bricolage of other's more coherent ideas it's still just as coherent as the original systems built by originators of said ideas, right???
Sorry. He's stupid. Singularitiarianism is stupid. It's joachimist. It's millenarian. It's sabbatean frankist. It's gnostic. It's satanic. It's heretical. It's blasphemous. It's ignorant. It's for edgelords.
>noumena
You keep saying that word, I don'r think you understand it. Land clearly doesn't understand it either.

>>24782611
The quote you're thinking of isn't even real.

>>24782931
Ok retard

>>24782986
>it's le performance art
Ya. And the performance was having a manic breakdown after sucking satan's dick after smoking meth and becoming a tryhard boomer living the glory days w bad podcasts.

I prefer life-affirming and world-affirming philosophies, thank you. Not this antinatalism and anticosmicism.

Only mentally ill and teenagers think childish rebellion is cool. Transhumanism and posthumanism is mere childishness.

You say you believe in God? Why are you defending this filth?

>>24782995
>Why are you defending this
Because you’re criticizing something you both haven’t read and don’t understand which is profoundly retarded.

>>24783083
How do you know I haven't read it? Or understood it? Surely one can read and understand and still criticize?

You, sir, are retarded. No wonder you fall for circular reasoning. I wonder. Are you perhaps gay or schizo or a methhead?

>but you slander the man!
I am referencing A Dirty Joke from Fanged Noumena where he admits to being a faggy insane drug addict larper. Probably the only honest piece in the whole garbage bag. His cuck-crew (ccru) and dark enlightenment le blockchain bullshit is even more retarded.

>but it's le hyperstition
Ya. Sure. If by that you mean like HP Blavatsky tier pseudo philosophy

>but he's le based and racist
And you're dysgenic, no doubt

>>24783119
Don't use slurs like faggy, it's unchristian

>>24783119
It’s indicative through your autistic screeching

>>24783122
Pope francis says there's too much faggotry too
>>24783127
This shit was a funny meme on twitter maybe like fifteen years ago. There is nothing interesting to say about this podcast. Nick Land is a sick sad charlatan.

>>24783136
I just like him

I listened to like an hour of it and I couldn't work out if I was too stupid to understand anything valuable in what they were saying or if they were the stupid ones, I guess that's the power of 'authority'.

>>24782642
Not me, retard. Kys. Also, I'm probably lighter than you.

>>24779858
You haven’t read Land have you?