PEAK EditionStubbed >>24776634>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY Recommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
The first named girl the MC meets should be the love interest.
>>24781028>MC marries his momGreat going tardo
>>24781028...Who you kill off without remorse several chapters in, and then the next waifu lines up but the protag is too heartbroken and seals him off emotionally until the end and she does everything in her power to pry him open....
>>24781028Nice try Astary, but you are still going to get killed.
the Wheel and the Wing made it to the genre RS congrats wheelanon!
>>24781020Finally, an OP image that is not shilling westoid garbage
Web fiction writers listhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtmlIt was previously posted that it'd be added to the OP, but if not, I'll probably post it every now and again. Not too often though. When I get around to it,the next thing is checking the rest to see if they're sold on Amazon or elsewhere. Maybe add a publisher column since that'd only be a few. Possibly an Audiobook column. I could a verification column, though I don't know how many would be willing to do that aside from anonymously posting in the thread that it's them. That's not enough. If anyone has any other ideas for it, let me know.
>>24781070Westoid chair
>>24781020>The venerable walls of the well-built cottage confronted him. For a moment, their sight cleared the clouds from his mind. From now on, everything would be alright. They might not have spoken for years, but he would still help him out of it; he had to.Any intrigue here?
>>24781077what is the difference between hiatus and inactive?
>>24781151If on hiatus for more than 6 months it auto switches to inactive which means dropped/abandoned
>>24781151https://www.royalroad.com/support/knowledgebase/88
Can I post a textbook on Royalroad?
>>24781169>checks the last time I uploaded>oh shit oh fuckFor no reason whatsoever, HERE is the new chapter of my webnovel I never previously mentioned!:https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/114439/the-fallen-prince-is-now-a-time-traveler-aeonalize/chapter/2659321/19--harper-quinn-2
>>24781209Everything is manually checked by moderators before it's allowed to go on site.
>>24781252Yeah, and why would that be a problem? I would write it myself.
>>24781254https://www.royalroad.com/support/knowledgebase/114>Restriction on non-fictional contentRead that section of it applies
>>24781054bird bros won
>>24781169good to know
>Moonshadow Gu had a unique use. It was able to suppress the primeval essence in a Gu Master’s aperture. That means, with a C grade talent like Fang Yuan, only having 40~50%, if they were hit by this Moonshadow Gu, they would be unable to deploy a single ounce of primeval essence, losing all their battle strength and were as good as crippled.>Of course, if it were Fang Yuan, if the Moonshadow Gu was used on him, it would be ‘throwing a meatbun at the dog’ - what’s gone can never come back.>That is because once the Moonshadow Gu enters his aperture, the Spring Autumn Cicada will demonstrate its dominance, and under its aura, the Moonshadow Gu would be instantly refined by him, and become his.
webnovel authors have no sense for aethestics, these novel covers and characters are so fucking ugly man
>>24781377What were you expecting of people who use AI to rate their own writing? (Also AI slop covers)
>>24781260But what if it's a string theory textbook?
>>24781397This is not just bad, it undermines the value of real writers.
>>24781054>>24781266*huff**puff*I WANT TO CUM INSIDE DESDE'S BIRDUSSYI WANT TO MOG THE CRIPPLE SO HARD BY FUCKING HER STANDING UP
>>24781077Where's Tina-anon, on your list. Its incomplete. I belong.
>>24781447go back to /wg/ and ruin what little is left of your own general, you bitch.
>>24781507Look at the tabs at the bottom. Switch to everywhere else.
>>24781515>Retard isn't aware of "it's not just X, it's Y" so he completely misses the joke
>>24781530>Look at the tabs at the bottom. Switch to everywhere else.I'm a member. I proudly proclaim, that I'm a author that came from 4-chins. Many are skittish. I ain't. I welcome it. Put me on the list.
>>24781537>>Retard isn't aware of "it's not just X, it's Y" so he completely misses the jokefuck you and die. WG crab. WNG is taking away your water.
>>24781541Please tell me you're not this dumb and you're just trying to ragebait me
>>24781539You are. You aren't on Royal Road, so you aren't on the Royal Road tab. That's all there is to it.
>>24781591>>24781591>Me when I liehttps://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125587/merrys-presentPut Tina on the list you liar
>>24781627Oh, right. That. I guess it can be on both sheets
>>24781745Nevermind, it already is there, at #73, you're just silly and I'm forgetful.
haven't been able to write, hate myself
>>24781761At least you don't want to die.
I'm not sanguia, but his/her? stuff on Ao3 is pretty good so far. I just started "I've Forgotten How New Ground Feels Like".Second son of the empress is being packed off to school with a 8'6" orc woman, to keep each other in line.
>>24781761Relax man, it's not that big a deal.Practice self-care. Do some of the chores that you know you should do, would be good for you, and engage in some daydreaming.When you have time in your schedule, set aside five hours and three energy drinks and go to work.
>Practice self care>also consume 600-800 mg caffeine
Well? Which way webnovel man
>>24781806Yes.
>>24781813lol, I just pants it. And then later pants even harder saying the system is arbitrary and not symmetrical and refuse to explain further and deal with it.Readers said they didn't like the autistic attention to detail and grind in volume 2, now they're getting even softer magic system.
>>24780225They dont spell it out for you explicitly with how little the anime covers, but honestly if youre paying attention and actually think about what the cast is going through thats the conclusion you should get through anyway. They show up with no idea of who they are or where they came from and are promptly introduced to the draft office where they are informed they can either work for their meals(serve as irregulars in the military) or starve to death. Alsowhile it wasnt clearly apparent in the show the rest of humanity outside the 'beginner city' is basically in ruins and/or anarchy despite the city the story starts at being the frontier. The story is told through the eyes of retarded teenagers though(the perfect draft material) so they are pretty much entirely unaware of whats going on in the greater world as theyre just trying to make it to tomorrow.
>>24777553
>>24781813>Blizzard>Not related to waterThe way I do it is that the are 4 main elements: water, earth, air, fire. They correspond loosely to the states of matter of liquid, solid, gas, plasma. I try I keep on mind energy as well.>Water + air = rain, clouds>Water + earth = ice, mud>Water + fire = steam>Air + earth = smoke, dust >Air + fire = lightning, high temperature flame>Fire + earth = lava
>>24781777Energy drinks don't do anything for me.
>>24781541Anon, you're probably talking with an AI jeet trying to get a quick buck with his AI generated litRPG harem story
>>24781897Caffeine used to be nothing to me in my teens, then in my 20s it started working and was a huge aid for focus without hindering sleep much, and now in my mid 30s they have enough of an effect that if I drink any caffeine after 2pm I have a hard time falling asleep.When I'm writing specifically it helps me stay on task and focused rather than tabbing away the internet or other bullshit. And the dopamine effect makes me look forward to writing time every day, and it has a further beneficial effect as an appetite suppressant which is good because I'm on a cut.I'm not saying everyone has to drink as much caffeine as me. But I do find it very helpful.
>>24781913we are not seeing the black thread here.We could be generating hundreds of sloppy AI harem novels and earning enough money to spend the rest of our lives writting our real novels.
>>24781925As disgusting and revolting an idea as that is, it's simply not feasible. AI slop is garbage and nobody likes it. The low IQ people who fail the turing test and find AI slop acceptable simply generate it themselves. That's why retards fell in love with chatgpt 4 individually rather than all dating the same AI model and persona (which would have been way easier to monetize).Pull your head out of the Ganges and stop posting retarded.
>>24781924I doubt it'll have an effect, but I'll go buy some tomorrow.
>>24781964that's the spirit, anon
>>24781964Er, I'm going to feel bad if you go from zero caffeine in the last year to 500mg in a single sitting and have a heart attack.Ramp up slowly. Maybe just sip on one across an hour or two of writing.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine_dependence
every other month I go a week without any caffeine just to detox
>>24781981Wow that sets a new low for wikipedia article quality.
>>24781990Once every ten months I've taken to not fapping for a couple of months. My productivity isn't that much bretter and I honestly don't see what all the nofap hype is all about.> Based on the above recommend me a webnovel with over a 4 and a half star rating as well as no lbgt themes containing a male protagonist.
>>24781813>separate cold & ice magic>no separate heat & firei'm going insanealso missing the overused special-snowflake mc-only elements like void and gravity and uh hunger.
>>24781771it appears everything this author writes is tagged as femdom so i give 90% chance of being male
how important are hooks for writing WNs in general? would you recommend an immediate hook over some scenebuilding and then the hook?
>>24782149>how important are hooks for writing WNs in general? would you recommend an immediate hookYes retard
>CYCTWMAThe ending of chapter 4 is such fucking kino.And by chapter 4 I mean book 4. Don't know why he's calling them chapters.
>>24782155what the fuck is CYCTWMA
>>24782191Can you conquer the world with martial arts.
Can You Choose To Wipe My Ass? Claim Your Champion: To War, My Army! Calling to Yesterday's Celestials: The Week the Magellanians ArrivedCountering Yakubian Conciousness To Wipe Minds Always
is there any way to introduce Yakub as a character in my WN without completely tanking the suspension of disbelief of my readers?
>>24781028>>24781033Based and BASED
>>24782210No wonder I didn't recognize that, it should've been CYCTWWMAGET IT RIGHT MOTHERFUCKER
>>24782313Accept my kowtows.
>>24782245I did it in FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist.'First chapter of Volume 2.
describe the hated race (nu jews) in your world.what makes them seen as vile and evil?
I hate writing and my audience hates reading. What's the best minimalist writing style that provides the lowest effort experience on both ends?
>>24781924Based
>>24782433This one >>>24772101
>>24782381I have a succubus race that is hated due to their history of being used as slaves. Does that count?
>>24782149>How important are wheels for a car? would you recommend having wheels installed before trying to drive?
>>24782433Just imitate reverend insanity. Easy non complex straight to the point prose, interesting character, deep plot, you will love writing it and your audience will love you for it (and even pay you money if your work is good)
>>24782433>I hate writingThen why even try?
>>24782468I hate not-writing more.
>>24782465Someone should do a literary analysis of this stuff. Scene length, paragraph length, sentence length. Scene structure, etc.
>>24782483I think I saw the anime of this a long time. Only good scene is when the country girl side-character that acts like a rich snob effortlessly defeated the centipede everyone in the dorm couldn't kill.
>>24782433>I hate writing and my audience hates reading. What's the best minimalist writing style that provides the lowest effort experience on both ends?Twitter?
>>24782458>I have a succubus race that is hated due to their history of being used as slaves. Does that count?Makes sense, I would also hate them if I was born too late to have a succubus slave of my own.
>>24782567Wouldn't you hate the people who banned keeping succubus slaves?
>>24782601I have plenty of hatred for everyone involved in this crime against me.
>>24781020Finished reading Renegade Immortal, there were many impactful scenes where I cried, and I cried at the ending. The scenes where he lives a lifetime as a mortal are the best and most catharticly depressing.
>>24782132yeah the absence of Void and Dark is really glaring, those are the most common main character
>>24781813>no vril>no aryan magic>no negromancy>no sinokoreojaponic magic>no kabbalah
The ideal magic type is breast magic where the magic is stored in the breasts
>it's another useless catgirl anxiety backstory chaptercan she just die already or something
>>24783153the anxious catgirl is what makes the story good
>>24783158it's literally just paragraphs of dumb and boring anxiety, and she literally serves nothing to the story other than inconvenience the protagonist
>>24783166she gives the story an emotional corebut yes, also clearly a plot device
>>24783172A weak core then, if I literally have no reason to care about her. She's just a pitiful puppy from first appearance, and her being there or not has no effect on the story.
>literally>literally>literallyhad a bad night's sleep and my vocab is taking a hit
>>24783186when it comes to emotional side characters, there's always a contingent of people who despise them. Donut comes to mind from DCC lol. I loved Donut, but some people literally stop reading the series because of herLots of people like the catgirl, and yeah, lots of people don't like her too>her being there has no effect on the storynow that's just silly, she's been a major plot device for more than half of the plot beats. the story revolves around her fundamentally
Guys, just 10 follower left to 200 forFFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist!'Is the anon who did Elf-GF art still here? If yes, are you willing to draw the 200 followers special?
>>24783205>she's been a major plot device for more than half of the plot beatsI'd say she's been a major forced plot device if anything.After her rescue arc, they go to Meridian on Vivi's behalf. The whole train scene forcedly involved the catgirl. The classic uptight noble scene could have happened without the girl. She happens to forget the one item she cares about in the world, only to force an extended action scene (with many annoying catgirl anxiety chapters).Then in Meridian, we get more catgirl anxiety, getting to the inn. Vivi does her thing, then goes on a whole arc going around the city secretly to formulate a plan that targets the catgirl's source of anxiety, walking on eggshells to avoid asking the catgirl (and thus causing her anxiety). Then she outfits and trains the catgirl, leading to a few more catgirl anxiety chapters. They visit the library and get more catgirl anxiety scenes. And now we finally get another catgirl anxiety chapter.>her being there has no effect on the storyWhat I really meant is that her being there doesn't cause the plot to advance. The story would have gone on whether she's there or not. She's just an accessory that takes 80% of the screentime.
>>24781813Adorable
>>24783107Like Manyu Scroll?
>>24783284I've always thought this system in particular was retarded and completely arbitrary
>>24783230Wait. You've been posting all this time, uninterrupted, shilling your story every chance you get, and you've got 200 followers?Jesus Christ.
>>24782381Vile space merchants who would sell out their families if it meant profit, and this is a well-known established fact by pretty much everyone who has a silver of wiseness, they play off both sides of a galactic conflict to preserve their autonomy and who knows how many lost generations they've produced as a result of their scheming and setting piece battles where millions are just typically expected of any one battle, in the century and a half this war has dragged on.
>>24783308I don't think it's that arbitrary, it follows it's own logic consistently and looks that way because new Warrens can be created. It's just not apparent to the reader what that logic is. I find it more interesting than a simple one where the gods or whatever created it to be a certain way and it stayed static like that with no effect on it by dragons, elder races or eventually humans.Of course it's probably not suited for web novels, it's better to have a simple system there.
>>24783318you should be the 201th
>>24783318My story doesn’t aim to throw a bait into a large pond hoping to catch as many fish as possible. Instead, it focuses on creating a slow but steady influx of readers who will stay and who don’t expect to be pandered to in how the story goes.So, I’d say I did a good job overall.
>>24783230BRO KILLED HIMSELF RATHER THAN ACCEPT MY MONEY!
>>24783347Seems like he doesn't want to be associated with you. Or get depressed by AI art. Or maybe he took starving artist a little too seriously
>>24783348Right now, I’m so fucking sad. His art was soulful, and I kinda daydreamed about hiring him to illustrate the official release of my book.I've lost a friend today....
>>24782381They're elves. Literally, stereotypically, elves. Humans manage to piss them off so badly the elves go on a genocidal rampage trying to kill all humans and become known as demons. It's a bit of a plot twist later on because the demon threat is known ahead of time and it's only when they show up in person that the reader is clued in.While I do have humanity broken up into races I just don't even get into racial differences outside nationalities. All humans are white, just different tribes/nationalities. They are, of course, prejudiced in their own ways but it's explicitly just a matter of cultural chauvinism and competition for scarce resources. There are also class differences that are relevant for plot reasons, but remain unexplored in terms of whether a class-based society is good or not.I hope readers find it refreshing to read a story where the bad guys are clearly aliens, and humanity is just different kinds of white and there's no racial allegories or any of that bullshit.
>>24783318>guy writes a lot, posts frequently and steadily, and puts effort into marketing his story>gets followersI'm shocked. Utterly shocked. The guy consistently did the thing that leads to good results and is getting good results.
>>24783371I think we have a very different understanding on what is a 'good result'.
>>24783377For his story, it is a good result>not written to the larger RR market>not heavily advertised>not shouted out by a large network of successful authorsHe's taking the slow and steady approach and he's getting average to good results for that approach. The more followers he gets, the more RR will recommend him below other stories that those followers are also following.It doesn't seem like he's monetizing his book(s) through either patreon or amazon, so I'm not sure what his endgame is, but if he's in it purely for the love of the game he's doing well (even if his posting style is obnoxious, it's within limits).
>>24783371I've uploaded like 1/4 the content he has by now, have mentioned my work here once half a year ago, am currently sitting on my second long hiatus, and I still somehow have twice as many followers. Just how terrible is his story?
>>24783393How many views after chapter 1, Mr success?
>>24783393> Just how terrible is his story?Do you even need to ask? It's awful.
>>24783402Ahem...masterpiece
>>24783393Read it and find out!
>>24783398What do the views matter, if they just look once and don't subscribe?
>>24783416This.You’ve probably pandered to some popular story---the one that gets hordes of tards who subscribe forever---only for you to go on hiatus when they all lost interest when you have tried and failed to bait and switch.
>>24782458close enough, as long as they're seen in a bad light like them jews in our developed world, then it's good.>>24783328disgustingly jewish. BASED and untrustable. post your story here one day so I can support space antisemitism>>24783359>all humans are whiteokay that's honestly great. you're honestly doing more by making nuances with the whites than adding blacks for the sake of it or adding it without actual knowledge as to what makes them different outside of skin color.
>>24783347Ok guys, since my bro is dead, who wants to draw the 200 follower special?(Gonna pay).In the pic, Katrina in a Jacquesless world.Use this to inspire yourself.
>>24782736It's okay but that dumb mopey shit is the worst part of it.
>>24783433>making nuances with the whitesYep. I know exactly what I'm doing and that's part of why I don't like my story here on 4chan. My author persona is a total goody-two-shoes and politically oblivious who just so happened to write a humans vs elves story with extremely strong european vibes and heterosexual young romance and a huge focus on family and overcoming adversity.I got a comment IRL from someone when they saw the MC on the cover and it was like they couldn't imagine such a european-looking hero. I just smiled and said "yeah, that's him, what's wrong with that?" and they dropped the subject.It turns out, representation does matter and I'm doing my part. Even if the actual writing and structure isn't the best because it's my first story lol.
>>24783433I'm still writing its big beautiful backlog, I showed a few of the immediate alpha version chapters dealing with them but they didn't get much eyes on them, oh well. Maybe next time
>>24783318I'm grateful to him for his shitty shilling ways, because when I searched out his story, which sucked so bad I dropped it on page one, I stumbled upon FFF-Clas Trashero, which delighted me for about eighty chapters before devolving into incoherent MTL nonsense that was still more engaging than Unfortunate Antagone or whatever the fuck shill-kun calls the slop ChatGPT rolled up for him.
>>24783510>which sucked so bad I dropped it on page one.>Pivoted to FFF-Clas Trashero.Sloppest soldier out there.
>>24783441mhhh tempting
>>24783448>elves story Garbage>strong european vibes European vibes is not an issue>romanceGarbage>a huge focus on familyGarbage>overcoming adversity.Ok
>imagine a future that doesn't suck>result is basically worldbuilding jerkoff shit>can't tell a story without "ackshully this is why this sucks" because slice of life with cute girls happy days only works in anime or an otherwise visual mediaOn the verge of pulling the trigger on "eugh my life sucks I'm so overworked, I'm sick all the time, bills are unreal, ahhh I got hit by a truck and am bleeding out, I hope that if I get reincarnated I have an easier life next time, wow future cool wow life doesn't suck now so many cool things to do and see!". I feel like I am cornered by my own hackiness and will either have to accept being a hack or give up.
>>24783606>wahhhhh wahhhhhh! my stories keep having conflict on them! wahhhhh wahhhhh!!
>>24783596>>romance>GarbageWhat if I told you the girl has big tits, flaunts them, and has subtle yandere vibes?
>Have to make a new e-mail, Royalroad and patreon for FemboyLit. Sigh
>>24783642I understand, we've all been 15 and very horny once
>>24783672I'm here to entertain my readers.It's okay to find big tits aggressive high class young women attractive, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>24783642So it's a gooner slop? No, thanks.
>>24783675It's not very high class to be aggressive/forward as a young lady though.
>>24783672i'm 26 and i'm still very hornyi jerked off 3 times today alonewasn't even reading anything sexual, just got random boners out of nowherewhen do they stop
>>24783680When you stop watching porn and get a job
>>24783685i wasn't watching porn, and while i am currently unemployed i was no less horny when i had a jobi used to go into the bathroom and jerk off when things were slow
>>24783675It's fine to write smut just don't pretend it's anything other than smut.
>>24783685shut up wagegolem
>>24783606If you're considering writing web novels than you're probably already a hack. Just embrace it.
So uhhhhhhhhhhhhh any of you guys ever write anything good?
>>24783714https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-storyEnjoy
>>24783694>>24783677It's not smut nor slop.>>24783679True! That gap is moe. It's an endearing trait.
>>24783727just checked and he doesn't even have 200 followers actually it's just 191 after 3 months of posting
>/wg/ refugees starting hanging out in /wng/>reading comprehension actually dropscurious
>>24783732What is it then?
>>24783714https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/130828/gamer-girl-evolutionthis is my story
>>24783743It's literally what people said to Tolkien.
>>24783743why are you being mean to him i've been in this general about five minutes and i'm already witnessing bucket crabs
>>24783765lurk more fagget
>>24783765Because fff is a spammerBecause fff incites flame warsBecause fff tried to make this his personal armyBecause fff is a dumb fuck when you're trying to talk to himBecause fff melties every other week
