Sloppers are unstoppable EditionStubbed >>24817118>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed]Recommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
>MynoghraI couldn't handle the cringe in the first chapter. Unreadable chuuni wish-fulfillment
post reverend insanity
>improve my writing based on feedback from readers>backlog is too big so it takes three months to get to better written chapters>start posting the good stuff and suddenly I'm gaining followers and favorites like when I was running adsDamn, turns out it was a skill issue all along...
How much tolerance do you guys think the average audience member has for a chapter full of phlebotinum and in-universe jargon? Assuming the chapter in question still advances the story on-pace, of course.
>plop>splat
>>24821531Snap, Crackle, Pop! It's Kellogg's Rice Krispies!Man I just realized I haven't had a Rice Krispies Square in years.
>>24821456THIS IS ANIMEJANNIES BAN THIS WEEB CROSSTHREAD FROM MY LIT CATALOG ASAP
>>24821535It is a mark of authorial skill to have a late chapter that is entirely incomprehensible by someone skipping ahead to start on that chapter, but perfectly legible and exciting to readers who read the whole book up to that point. The more incomprehensible to the new reader, the better.HOWEVER, that's for author flexing. You should beware that readers won't like it unless it's still good, and all your setup before feeds into it in a satisfying way.In terms of how high the bar is, I'd say a normal chapter not attempting this needs to clear a 5/10 to be acceptable to most readers: what you're describing needs to be a 9 or 10/10.
>>24821537>plap
plap, plap, plap
>falseflagging spammer
>190 words>more than 1/10th of them are "soul"
>>24821574Nobody cares about ren zu.
>>24821588>only supreme grandmaster in human path
What are the top three fictions you guys are following that are currently serializing?For me, it's 1% Lifesteal, The Pinnacle Warrior, and The Exchange Teacher, with Cat Girl Evolution and Just Add Mana tied for fourth place.
>>24821603isn't the cat one literally ai?
>>24821603Rend, cafeteria worker, Mistakes were made, Max Level Archmage
>>24821456This is the post that started /wng/ and confirms its origin. https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24405080#p24406622
>>24821603The Lone Wanderer, Max Level Archmage, and Cultivation Nerd (although it hasn't been updated in a month)
how to into webnovels?
>>24821712infinite monkey theorem
>>24821634The story itself? No, none of the X Girl Evolution stories were AI. They were all known authors.>>24821648>>24821686Dang people are actually reading Max Level Archmage? I should stop sleeping on it I guess. I honestly figured it was a meme or money laundering.
>>24821740>money laundering.good idea actuallythx anon
>>24821542better ban the russian greats, they're anime too now
When I'm having trouble writing something, I just think of what idea I want to communicate. Then I write it all out exactly in very detailed, but plain language. And then I go through and edit each sentence to improve the vocabulary and descriptiveness, and then I finally edit the whole thing to improve flow. If you're ever stuck writing something, hopefully this method can help you out too. :)
what's your wn's equivalent of RI's bear scene?
Bloodmarch will rise again!!!
Gamedev here from /agdg/I'm looking for something much easier to make than a videogame.I can make 3D low poly characters and animate them, and also code and draw 2D waifus and make music.Is there something like a VN that I can still make that will interest the people that use this general niche?I want to make something like an illustrated light novel with some basic animations and music in godot.
>>24821826indie vns are a totally different audience from webslop. you won't get much help here.
>>24821826Go away cris
>>24821603Pale LightsYears of the ApocalypsePlayer 0.4(and DDC in the patreon)
I've never actually read a progression fantasy where it feels like progress was actually being made.Even when the protag isn't giga OP they usually just go from fighting one group of enemies to another who we're told is a higher realm/level or whatever.
>>24821882picking good stories is a skill
>>24821882If I wasn't tied down with this dogshit slop ass bullshit failed trash garbage story I'm stuck trying to finish, I would probably be able to give you a true progression story. Alas, you will have to wait.
>>24821882I thinks this anon needs a 'Hero.'
>>24821603TWI, Magical Girl Mechanical Heart, and Archmage, but I'll replace the last one with Art of Gold Digging if LoveMoney ever gets her shit together
>>24821878ment DCC
>>24821911Incredible Gassy?
Thoughts on publishing a trad-novel on RR? It made no waves on Amazon, but I think there's a chance that's because no one ever saw it.
>>24821930You might as well but I wouldn't expect much reception on RR either
>>24821930I don't think you can. If you're selling on Amazon then it can't be available for free anywhere else.
>>24821927>gassyNot apologizing for progressing my story with each new chapter.
>>24821942Amazon can suck my balls I do whatever I want with my IP.
Reminder to subscribe to Max Level Archmage's patreon. Support small authors. It's only at a measly $30,000 a month, needs 40k
>>24821942The stubbing exclusivity clauses are way shorter than you thinkPeople just don't reupload because it obviously suppresses sales.
>>24821942Only true if you opt into Kindle Unlimited, and you can cancel if you want
>>24821942it's like 3 months or something, if I remember correctly, that you can't have your story anywhere else
>>24821977People want to read it lol. Most webnovel readers are not smart enough to know about kemono
>>24821978>>24821983Has anyone tried the reverse yet? Launched on KU then uploaded to RR when exclusivity was over? (maybe not immediately)Obvious problems since you'd need an established audience but I wonder if there's merit to it vs leaving RR full of stubs that tell any new readers to basically go elsewhere.
>>24821996It's basically impossible to build up anything on KU unless you already have an audience or you win the luck lottery and a book-tok girl happens to promote it.
>>24821996No, thats obviously stupid, anon.
>>24822012So stupid it just might work...
>>24821996>vs leaving RR full of stubsyou either have to have stubs on RR or leave Kindle Unlimited, and the audience on KU is so much bigger it's not even closeand at least stubs still drive some traffic, just way less. not so, the other way around
If prologues are bad because of start pace, how the fuck is magic academy a genre? Aren't they locked into slow starts by their very nature?
>>24822064prologues aren't bad because they're slow, they're bad because they're disconnected from the main narrative POVs. nobody wants an opening pov about some grand conflict that wont matter until 6 books later
What is the age range of readers. Does it trend younger or older?
>>24822064they're slow to get to the hookThe hook is what matters, having a glacial pace after really doesn't seem to bother people
>>24822087
>>24822049I do wonder what the breaking point would be for me if I was a writer. KU and stubbing feels kinda shitty and against the spirit of webnovels to me but it's clearly where the money is
>>24821740>Max Level ArchmageIt's not bad. It's not great, but I like the characters and the first two (arcs? mini arcs?)
>>24822064Half the prologues in magic academy stories are setting up and giving a taste of things that people reading a magic academy story are there to read about, so they're sometimes fine.
>>24821603Max Level Archmage, The Storm King, The Runesmith.I'm thinking of taking a break from the Runesmith. It kind of went in a boring direction ever since Elodia was randomly timeskipped into being his lover. I got over that but it's been kind of boring. The plot of developing too slowly about the elements I care about.
>>24821603Magical Girl Mechanical HeartThat's it. Everything else I'm reading isn't currently serializing aside from Archmage but I'm like two chapters from dropping this for a few months
>see interesting cover>click title>click first chapter>protagonist is named Kai>mfw
>>24822224My MC is named Kael Aiden Artemis CrowleyHis elf love interest is named Lysandra Lunaris or Lys for short
>Retard keeps posting Reverend Dogshit
>>24822229>Wang Yawn
>>24821714My monkey supply numbers significantly less than infinity.
What are your favorite and least favorite Reverend Insanity arcs?
>>24822165>The Runesmith.>ElodiaSameTheir "romance" is probably the blandest i have ever read in my lifeThe story stretches all chapters to twice of what it should be, probably for the word count
i must write the crafting mc litrpg to satisfy my unfulfilled craving for crafting autism
>>24822087This is a man btw
>>24822224Is this really so common?
I'm thinking about purchasing a Royal Road ad. My series is close to 700 follows, has 1.2k pages. Would an ad make a difference at this point?
>>24822388yeah your follower numbers are not so high that you would get diminishing returns from saturationthat is assuming your ad is decent>>24822386Kai, Zach, and Kael (the last one because Grok keeps defaulting to it for anything to do with scifi)
are there any WNs where the writer writes real life personalities such as the Bogdanoffs into the story for some unhinged reason?
>>24822444There's so many chinese ones with Jack Ma in them.Can't remember the name (something generic like world's strongest martial artist) but I read one where he's one of the most powerful fighters on earth lol.
>>24822347The author got me good when his old team almost ran into Roland. But then they missed each other. I don't understand what the author is doing in terms of plot. There are so many cool things within reach that he could do, so there's no need to keep stretching things out. MC's dad, reveal to the family, his secret heritage, the elf land ambassador adventure, adventuring in various dungeons etc. Yet we spend so much time on what feels like spinning the wheels.
When do I capitalize fantasy terms?
>>24822481never, just put k's instead of c's a y's instead of ie's
>>24822481When thay are proper nouns.
>thinking about the story while reading>realize I have scrolled past half of the chapter and don’t remember a single wordDamnAm I going senile?
>>24822487>conscience>konskynke
>>24822495Nah that's not a hard c, for soft ones you put z's in
>>24822388What is your patreon conversion rate and price? Crunch the numbers for a conservative 1% ad conversion into like 2% patreon conversion
Wait literally this whole thread is reading Max Level Archmage?no wonder this bitch is making 30k in a few months. you fuckers are the pickiest bunch I've ever seen and somehow everyone is reading it
How big is the world in your novel?Do you have regional barriers (natural or otherwise) that affect trade/travel?
>>24822532I haven't read it
>>24822532>Wait literally this whole thread is reading Max Level Archmage?Im notNothing against it, i just have a hard time caring about female protagonist and "OP from the start" protagonists
>>24822524I can't bring myself to start it, I just can't deal with litrpg.
>>24822556you should sub to the patreon anyway
>>24822533The starting continent is surrounded by an ocean whose winds have been magically sealed, so it is virtually impossible for beings below the world's power ceiling to travel to and from the continent without the approval of the continent's rulers.People are rarely let in, but are often sent out as a part of "charity" missions that exist to correct a magical imbalance resulting from the continent's sealed state. Outside of that, all the countries are isolationist due to a combination of a universal spiritual poison and a world-specific spiritual poison.
>>24822561>I just can't deal with litrpg.I can't deal with numbers go up litrpgs, but if it's just set dressing and flavor, I don't mind. The moment it digs into minmaxing builds and leveling up autism or any shit like that, though, goodbye
>>24822532Nope. I go out of my way to avoid it and other cash cow series. While I'm sure they have a good amount of baseline quality to get that big in the first place, they tend to not meet my preferences.
>>24822576Some stuff I just can't suspend my disbelief, people in universe seriously talking about levels with a straight face is kinda it. You can dress it up so easily to avoid it, it can't be helped.
read the first 50~ chapters of Applied Cultivation (formerly Datadriven Daoist)I want my time back and regret shouting out this guy's previous novelthis shit is the thinnest-stretched thing i've read in a while
>>24822662i was wrong, i actually read up til ch.92, which is a good 90% of what is currently published on RR>misery porn opening that turns into borderline SoL molasses-paced "progression" >calls itself cultivation, actually litrpg to the point the substages of the big stages are called levels>main character hits LEVEL 2/10 OF BODY REFINING AT CHAPTER 8787, 200K WORDS INEIGHTY FUCKING SEVENNOT EVEN QI GATHERINGHE'S BEEN GETTING SHIT ON, FIGHTING SHIT EATING GHOULS, AND CLEANING SEPTIC TANKS FOR 200K WORDSTHE TONE WHIPLASHED FROM GRIMDERP TO BORDERLINE REDDITI'M KILLING MYSELF
>>24822783These Fantastical albeit lazily executed Literary alternatives scratches places I never thought could itch..
>>24822796*These Fantastical, albeit lazily executed Literary alternatives, scratches places I never thought could itch..
I'm planning on writing a litrpg, but I'm having second thoughts. I'm having trouble coming up with a leveling system and skill list. Planning out the abilities the MC picks is easy, but I realized that I'll have to do this for basically every character that the MC sees in a fight.Meanwhile if I don't make it a litrpg I can just make shit up on the spot.
Mechanical heart doesn't really hook me, isn't this just edgy MahoAko?
>>24822823>I realized that I'll have to do this for basically every character that the MC sees in a fight.No you won't.Realistically you'll be able to paint in broad strokes for most of the fodder enemies or only mention one or two skills.You only fully flesh out the kits of major antagonists.
>>24822662>Applied Cultivation (formerly Datadriven Daoist)>50 chaptersYou have a lot of patience anon, a lot more than me at least, i dropped that shit in 10
>>24822783if you want slow cultivation read reborn white snake instead, it's truly kino
Should I write a cultivation novel where the MC is an autistic moralfag? I mean the kind of person that wants to totally eradicate evil person in the world, who thinks the proper punishment for theft or explicit lying is death. And he's fully convinced (delusional) that he can do this.Obviously it's Xianxia so the setting is worse than 40k to live in, and even the "righteous" sects make Hitler and Genghis Khan blush.
How's discoverability on AO3 for original (not fandom) niche smut? Not writing for financial gain, just self-satisfaction and internet points. Do I need to join one of these kinktober things?
>>24822844you have my permission
>>24822849ao3 is tag based so it depends how active your niche tags are, and how often you post to send yourself back up the recent update default sort.
>>24822823I'm anti-litrpg but I heavily recommend you read about how DMs run encounters in tabletop rpgsYou do not waste time fully statting out every enemy unless you've got a truly simple system. You just do numbers for the stuff that has to be used/mentioned.
>>24822850yeah but is it a good idea thougheverbeitis it appealing to the average webnovel reading ape?
>>24822844Yeah sure why not
>>24822849AO3 is a place where shit like this got 150k views, the bar is non-existent, you'll be fine.https://archiveofourown.org/works/34689256
>>24822857of course not
>>24822844>>24822857Be honest anon, would you read that if you weren't writing it?
>>24822863only works for the vilest tags where competition is low and degen demand is high
>>24822832>>24822855I don't mean that I have to stat out every single person they come across, but I will have to have an idea on what all the major classes/archetypes can do at certain level milestones.In D&D there's so much supplemental information to fall back on if necessary. Maybe that's why so many video games and books have a system that's very reminiscent of D&D?Like in D&D I can create my own monsters, but figuring out what a CR10 creature can do is pretty simple, because I can look at the Monster Manual to see what other CR10 creatures can do. Same with making custom classes.This seems pretty important when other characters can have flashy or aoe supportive effects. It would be pretty hard to whip out "oh yeah, paladins get a Courage aura at level 4" once I'm 100 chapters in. I feel like MC should've noticed that at some point.
is it worth the effort of giving magic/sorcery ‘weight’, in the same or similar manner found in Bakker’s Second Apocalypse or Vance’s Dying Earth when writing a webnovel?
>>24822938this post feels like it was written by ai
>>24822824The actual hook from the blurb isn't all that interesting. But the struggles between some of the different characters, the emotion-based magic system, and the antipathy/preserver worldbuilding is pretty interesting. That and I just like well-enough written magical girl stories. And for MG fans, dark magical girls will always be cool Even if this story only like, 70-75% scratches that itchIt also does the Good Guys aren't so so good after all really well, unlike most stories that just switch the labels on the factions or make factions do dark shit for no reason
Magical girls without heavy kink focus are pointless.
>>248229438probably the ultimate result of my uncontrolled relapse into reading MTL chinkslopyou’d think the AI MTL would become internalized like a different language, but it ended up encroaching upon my primary language instead. the exponential improvement of MTL just over the past year or so does not help with trying to restrain my brain-numbing appetite.
>>24821882>they usually just go from fighting one group of enemies to another who we're told is a higher realm/level or whatever.Remember the wise words of Qui Gon Jin. https://youtu.be/bjQRTFX1Lp4?si=o3ifc1dN9A0gPAr2
>>24822954Only one that matters is implied yuri
Magic girls but it's not about depression or fetishes
>>24821603>got caught up to Nowhere Stars and now in glacial release hell>follow DCC which is a new book every year ish>six+ books into Infinite Realm and was supposed to end with 7 but still keeps going and going and going so I think I'll let it finish before picking it back upThat's all I 'follow'.
>>24822954magical girls but their mascots specifically grant powers to BPD, Schizo, or otherwise socially mal-adaptive females.a girl starts raving about the jews shortly before transforming into a tinfoil clad holy magical girl who immediately explodes the local church for standing on the same grounds a site holy to the pagans of her people might have stood a thousand or so years ago.
>>24822954What kind of kinks do you want to see in a magical story, for reference?
>>24822954Nanoha would beat your ass.
>>24822990My kinks are too cringe for this thread and I'm already procrastinating on my own magical girl smut story.
Why are they like this?
>>24822998FYI there's a writefag thread on /trash/ with no limits on cringe fetish, and a fetish creativity thread on /d/ that caters to writefags/setting builders. You can post it there.
>>24822368Don't, I tried that and my readers hated that my character was chronically bad at fighting because he's a pure crafter.He has to be at least mixed crafter fighter.
>>24823006it's so funny that the /trash/ writing thread gives the best advice out of any one across the site
>>24821603The Wandering Inn, RE: Deity, Markets & Multiverses
>>24822992i'm going to write nanoha 2, just you wait
>>24823007Weak. Readers needs to broken out of their juvenile desire of power fantasies.
>>24822532Since last thread I'm coming to the strong conclusion that /wng/ doesn't read, and of the ones who do, they read rather niche stories that don't fit in with the mainstream, except for Max Level Archmage which totally oneshot them despite their pretenses.It's put a lot of things into perspective for me lol
>>24821603I know you asked for three but instead here is my weebnovel qrd:A soldiers life, low fantasy occultist, guild mage going stronk. Still on the fence about max level archmage after just finishing book 1, bout to drop mage tank and 12 miles below because of repetitive goal post shifting. Magic smithing is still on depression hiatus....again...About to pick up String now there is sufficient chapter backlog. There is a bunch of others I follow but they are in the midst of building up chapter binge backlog
>>24823012That's because /trash/ writers actually write regularly.
>>24823015I'm committed now but I fully expect my readers to find my final fight scene awesome (it's chuuni as fuck), but the actual conclusion to the story where I make the themes really explicit to be offputting, disturbing, and they won't like it. lol, gotta shell out for the secret fourth volume of the trilogy if they want the pure catharsis happy ending.
>>24822165>The Storm KingIs it good? I wanted to give it a shot simply because it had a billion pages and I have read many of the high page count stories already.
>>24822823No man, make it up as you go. Trust me, just make it up, refuse to review the Full Potential(tm) of the System(tm) so that nerds can fantasize about it.Drop a cool name for a Skill, refuse to elaborate what it does.Say something was done by a Skill, refuse to say which one and how it works. Everything should serve the narrative.
>think "it's paced like shit but I'll give it some slack for being a serial">author reveals that it's all planned out and that they've been thinking of it in terms of books the whole timeI swear to god more than half of what makes me finally turn on stories comes in author's notes.Stop revealing stuff that makes you look bad dumbasses.
>>24822987kek, would read
>>24823016You should have known from the beginning that /wng/ is a fraternal thread with /agdg/ and /3/This is the realm of the crab. If you want to succeed just skim the thread every other day or so and otherwise ignore it. That way you more easily filter out all the repeat questions, master baiters, ritual posters and other assorted schizos
>>24823006Well if you really want to know, my kink is diapers and preferred execution in a story is whimsical scenarios, like a magical girl who wears diapers and gets weaker if they get dirty(and she loses control a little bit any time monsters land a hit on her).
>>24822984isn't magical girls one of those genres where all of the stuff people think of as "edgy subversion" was there from the start?
Top 3 litwanger memes- [It's Serialized]- pretending to be EsotericRhythm - Indonesian cabal
>>24823030Author's notes are a double-edged sword...Personally I just spam the same link to amazon and my patreon and funny enough it works. I'm up to about a hundred bucks a month now: that's almost enough to cover my energy drink budget.
>>24823038>pretending
>>24823044OG cover my beloved
>>24823036I'm not going to watch every episode of sally the witch but I'm guessing "no"
>>24823045For you
>>24823049How did the horns get so fucked up on the new cover
If your blurb has a "what to expect" section I will not read your story.
>>24823049I wouldn't have read without the original cover. Is the new cover a commission or just fanart? Author posted it but I totally forgot what he said
>>24823052For fans of: the three stories I'm blatantly trying to copy because they made money
>>24823055Then you try to read it and it's like none of them at all.
>>24823052Fine, going to do it anyway. It works on RR.
>>24823035That's cute anon, please post it if you ever get it written down.
>>24823016>4chan >being contrarian misfits It keeps happening, and always will
>>24823052Why?
>>24823067I don't know, I am just petty. I also will not read superhero or academy stories. I avoid anything that has a title that reminds me of Korean slop novels too. If a system is snarky I give a 2 star rating. If it has reddit tier humor I do the same. If there is an animal sidekick it's an instadrop. If the story is a tower climber or timeloop it's an instaskip. I am a professional hater.
>>24823052based and same, but it makes money so they will keep doing it>>24823070> If a system is snarky I give a 2 star ratingsnark is not a personality trait, so fucking based. But the masses love it.>If there is an animal sidekick it's an instadrop.when did I make this post?
Are we still in the era where you can put words like rational or paranoid combined with fantasy and magic in the title and rake in thousands monthly?
>>24823064I already wrote two chapters.https://archiveofourown.org/works/59795320/chapters/152524363I outlined a third but burnout hit in a weird way and I didn't get around to writing it.
It's class day but guess what? The protagonist got the WORST heckin class! He's also an orphan and his name is Kai btw.
>>24823111it’s class day, but guess what? not only did the protagonist get the BEST heckin class (secretly) but he also awakened his past life memories as a Chinaman! this does mean that all of his classmates who heckled him will not only be raped to death but also subject to damnation by the plot itself, except for that quiet, cold beauty who acted somewhat kindly to the protagonist
>>24823026I like it, but I've been reading it in bursts for years. I like that the MC grows from someone that doesn't like dealing with people to being pretty good with people over the course of the series. I very much enjoyed the early arcs in the story. Some of the latter arcs dragged a little or didn't seem as important.If I could forget it to read it again then I would.
>>24823125Nice digits. I would like to see an old monster from a xianxia reincarnated into a standard Tolkien fantasy world. He starts fucking with mana and creates a dantian and golden core. Figures out how to force mana to work like qi and creates martial techniques, flying on swords and shit while dumbass paladins pretend to be knights below.
>>24823136I once had an idea for a cultivator ending up in generic fantasy. Within their power system, he registered as a mythic grade artifact.
wtf you are right, why is it always Kai lmao
>>24823027Alright, I'll do that.>The paladin raised his sword as Holy Light condensed around him. >"Peace!" he shouted and drove the sword into the ground. >For a moment, the world was cast in darkness again. The moment passed and the ground radiated a blinding light. Skeletons crumbled everywhere the light touched.
>>24823175k-kino...
>>24823027that is what i do. anytime there's a battle between mages its quite literally rapidfire back to back skill names. the longer the skill name the more powerful, obviously. >He raised his staff, drowned the room in his mana and began multicasting>[Haste], [Ava's All Seeing Eye]. [Akashic Abacus] , [Touch of The Wyrd], [Destruction of Ares], [insert other stupid ass skill name thats long and somewhat related to some bullshit mythology so it sounds cool]>There was a large explosion (refuse to elaborate further)
>>24823175>The paladin raised his sword as Holy Light condensed around him.>"Peace!" he shouted and drove the sword into the ground.[Turn Undead]>For a moment, the world was cast in darkness again. The moment passed and the ground radiated a blinding light. Skeletons crumbled everywhere the light touched.NOW it's art.
>>24823202[Heavenly Transcendent Holy Light of The Primordial Sun]
Why is it that 99.9% of the novels where the mc has a dragon-based cultivation/bloodline ends up with the dude turning into a dumbfuck scalie or a half humanoid furry thingYou would think that an early transformation using a thin bloodline/cultivation would have this effect, and that the dude would become a big ass deathwing or a shenlong at full bloodline purity/cultivation but no, becoming a piece of shit scalie is always the endgameAt this point i'm avoiding any novel with the word dragon on its title
professional idea guy here; i will fix your story
>>24823212so he can keep having sex (with minors)
>>24823212What annoys me more is when dragons in cultivation novels are walking around in their humanoid form. Or in monster evo stories where they always end up becoming a human with fluffy ears or some bullshit.
>>24823219That's because the human form is spiritual perfection.
>>24823225Perfection is a big ass dragon the size of 12 billion rice paddies that travels at 100 quintillion li per hour.
>>24823212>dragon tamer novel>200 chapters into the novel.. not a single dragon in sight>rank 1 yearlynuke webnovel
>>24823147kai leng...
>>24822242wtf does this is real?
>>24822783>>calls itself cultivation, actually litrpg to the point the substages of the big stages are called levelswhy do wypipo cultivation authors always do this. what is wrong with them
>>24823283No, it's AI
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>>24822844sounds based especially if this brings him into ethical conflict with the barely moral >>24822954well of course. magical girls played straight without some kind of subversion are a genre for 8 year old girls (and 30 year old japanese men who want to touch those 8 year old girls)
>>24823288What's wrong with using the term "level"?
>>24823111also the worst class is secretly the best class EVAR if you take these two super obviously synergetic level 1 skills that everyone has access to. but it's a Secret and nobody knows this. except mc because he has a HUGE brian
>>24823303because this shit is supposed to be about tai chi and mystical martial arts bullshit not a novelization of videogame xp grinding like every other litrpg
Do you prefer>F rank class that is secretly brokenor>S rank class that everybody thinks is shit because of a downside that doesn't actually matter to MC
>>24823030>>24823041I have never seen an author say something useful or interesting in their notes. Its all shilling or melties
tfw outline too long to fit in chatgptfeels bad bros
>>24823238This is at least the fifth variation I've seen of the theme "my ability to tame the most powerful creatures in the world is considered somehow the weakest." And three of those five feature dragons
>>24823328use a document u idot
>enjoy side character pov>next chapter goes back to protagonist>annoyed because I just want to follow the side characterI suffer
>>24823332im pasting it directly from my doc desu
>>24823337This is why multi-povs suck. There are only ever one or two that are any fun and the rest of the time readers will just be like, "can we get back to the good stuff soon?"
>>24823317i don't like that both bring the rating system into question (unless that's a big part of the story), but the s rank version one is worse
>>24823317>overcoming the downside for a class everyone thinks is shitgood!>ranking classes F-S in the first placenot good
>>24822532I tried to read the first chapter but it felt only like the first chapter of Overlord, except boring and bland, and had to close the tab by the time the stat boxes came up. I'm too old for this shit
>>24823016Pale Lights and Years of Apocalypse may not be typical RR material but they are on top lists of RR for a reason.I discovered Player 0.4 by accident. Started out mid but the world building has become amazing.
>>24821456I hate LitRPG. Tagging a story as LitRPG is like a guarantee that it is awful. It's all trash and filler. My webnovel will be progression fantasy.
>>24823331If your ability is to tame the most powerful creatures then shouldn't you be taming humans or elves or something?
>>24823317>>24823350Some classes are going to be better than others, but if a game-like world became real this difference would almost certainly be based on what you're trying to do with a class. In an RPG video game picking a class that gets +200% to all stats and damage as long as he's near a volcano is typically pretty shit. Your character will spend most of his time away from volcanoes. But in a real world scenario that would be a very powerful class, because you can just live your entire life near the volcano.This same situation plays out with other classes too. You probably won't find a quirk that makes a low tier class into a top tier class in general, but there's a good chance you might find a niche that your bad class is incredibly good at.>You have acquired the Astronaut class.>It's completely useless.>Portal to Earth opens up. >Suddenly you're in hot demand among Earthlings for missions into space.Thinking about it, these specialized classes would probably end up as the top tier classes in a realistic world. You might not be that useful in a general setting, but for that they can just pick up every Tom, Dick, and Harry, but for your special niche only you will do.
>>24823388This is explored in a different way in TWI. There , highnlevel classes are by default specialized because that's how leveling up works. This causes the technology to stagnate because high level individuals have skills that provide the needed services without effort and so when they die the technology dies as well. For example if you are the archmage that pioneered teleportation circles in cities and you die to some random high level monster before your apprentices catch up then all of a sudden long distance teleportation is a lost technology until a few decades or centuries down the line when somebody gets the high level skills again. Innovation is crippled because why waste time on research when level upsmworkmbetter for the whole community.
How would a young adult thriller style story fare on Royal Road? By that I mean stories where the main character, his ginger best friend, and the token girl is pursued by an unrelenting villain and his henchmen across the map, as they try to reach/retrieve/destroy a series of MacGuffins, in order to defeat the big bad/clear their names/save the world/insert goal here.
>>24822891It's a fucking novel. You make shit up. >>24823077No. We are no longer in the "authors raking in cash" period of history. >>24823213Help me, idea guy. I'm all out of waifu tropes. I have the tsundere, the kudere, the yandere, the deredere, the tomboydere, now what?
>>24823429The fujoshi, futa, and femboydere, duh.
here's your novel's femc
>>24823431Gay, gay, gay. Never reply to me again, faggot. Find Christ.
>>24823437I will now read your novel
>>24823375How are humans strong if your red dragon pet stomps 10,000 of them in the time it takes you to finish your cigarette?
I would like to write something a group of female leads (ex: all female adventuring party , school group , scoobydo squad , etc).Are there any decent stories like this out there to see how it's being handled ?
>>24823049Is this AI?
>>24823444Consider writing a male group.
>>24823444"Didn't I Say to Make My Abilities Average in the Next Life?!" by FUNA.To some degree, "So I'm a Spider, so What?", but only later in the story."Syl" by Lunadea, but again only later in the story (though I'm not sure, since I dropped it when it seemed to start happening).
>>24823491No thanks.But that does make sense , i could just copy what similar male group stories do and just switch the genders.
>>24823498Are you writing smut/goon?
>>24823491I am not sexually attracted to men though.
>>24823444Unironically read yuri and iyashikei
>>24823405I think even TWI falls into the system novel trap of underestimating just how valuable labour and the workforce is.The idea that society wouldn't move to accommodate its actual productive forces because a couple of people exist who can do things more efficiently (but only when they're around, in person) seems silly.
>>24823546Nah , my smut ideas don't work without a male mc to galvanize things. Maybe if i become a better writer.
20k views reached!!!!My haters on suicide watch, and I'm so happy right now.Also, it seems my followers ain't decreasing despite the change of the release schedule and Jacques's absence for seven chapters. Love my audience.
>>24823567Why do you need to be sexually attracted to your mc?
>>24823594WE love YOU Kman!
>>24823639I love you, too.All /wng/ anon are my bros, HUG.
>>24823175See? It's already paying off. That shit kinda whips and you weren't even trying. Good technique is all about maximum effect with minimum effort.
>>24823283How's the weather at Nellis, airman?
>>24823438Christ loves men.God sends the rainbow.Enjoy Hell, hatemonger.
>>24823594Proud of you, mang. And I don't hate you, I just think your story sucks and you ncan't write for shit. I still hope you get rich and famous and get a movie series based on your work starring actors so wooden they distract from the incoherent mess of a hollywood adaptation's plot and make billions of dollars off merch sales so I can tell people who list it as their favourite film that I used to bully the author on 4chan. Fuckin asshole. Luv ya kdawg neva stop \the slop. Ygmi. Wagmi.
>>24823594>teenage drama, and even a unique fantasy sport. However, more than half of the story takes place outside the academy because the MC frequently skips his classes.>NO HAREM: That said, there will be multiple love triangles.No thanks
>>24823676>Getting baitedLet's say everything I've written innthr blurb is true, just not the way you imagine it.
>>24823678So there is no teenage drama and no love triangles?
>>24823678Man, I remember the first time you posted your samples in these threads, asking for feedback, and I tried to advise you how to turn that bizarre word salad into a somewhat coherent narrative. And you promptly proceeded to disregard all my points, and the story remains unreadable schizo babble to this very day. I'm amazed. You've worked so hard and come such a long way to nowhere at all. Really, it's awe-inspiring how much it's possible to detest a person you don't even know. You teach us new sides about life and humanity every day.
>>24823634If I'm in it for the long haul I might as well enjoy myself.
>>24823683MC has just one love triangle.The teenage dramas have a Greek definition of Drama.
>>24823594>entity’s voice sounded familiar—a very irritating one—and it also seemed to know my deepest secrets. After stoning my will with my deepest fears, it sliced my pride with sharper versions of my memories, and concluded with a final blow that left nothing but ruin of my conception of reality—the World’s End Secret.>I actually remember a single sentence:>—’Before your pointless death, we're going to meet on two more occasions. I’ll explain more later, but for now, I can give you a hint: join the Miraval Academy’Lol, dark entity speaking like some chud american.
>>24823672An actually kino plot for a book.
>>24823705Sorry, I just can't spoil it.
>>24823689>Do nothing.>Get absolute hatred.Only a true masterpiece can evoke such genuine emotion in the heart.
>>24823704Is there a lgbt stuff in your story?
>>24823720A villain might, arguably, be viewed as such. Nevertheless, there is no character explicitly part of LGBT.
Wow I wish I was like Fang Yuan
>>24823725Does the main character seek immortality by any means necessary? What is the motivation of the mc, how does the novel end? Does he achieve immortality or die of old age like some chud?
>>24823725Why include this if your audience is made up of straight people
>>24823745prickly creeps like you who might actually stop reading over it are an absolute minority
>>24823745Wasn't the fate mobster in Worm a gay rapist?
>>24823741The ending is spoiled in the first sentence of the first chapter.Enjoy>>24823745My audience are 99% women.
>>24823748>Magic interconnects everything. This doesn't answer my question. Does he reach immortality? What are his main motivations throughout the story?
>>24823761DUMB ANON
>>24823748Why didn't you write smut or romantasy? Women like those?
>>24823765I did. Astary's parts are just: Who will win her heart? Dark Chad or Golden Chad.
>>24823769Ahh so it's a novel for females, why promote it here on /wng/ ?
>>24823772It’s a novel aimed at a wide audience: women who look for romfantasy, men who crave huge worldbuilding, and economists who hate Keynes.
>>24823779I like worldbuilding but mixing it with romantasy just ruins it.
>>24823745There's loads of lesbian characters on RR written by and for straight men.The gay stuff is just so no dicks touch the waifu
>>24823782As I said before: Greek drama romance.You will enjoy it. Astary is a funny girl, and you will empathize with Anicet's many attempts to win steal her from Mr. 'Hero.'
Why isn’t your mc EVIL?
>>24823789Who is Astary? Is she another mc? Why would I want to read about a female?
>>24823790I am hope pilled and I like writing good people because I'm already a piece of shit IRL so I don't need more bad vibes in my life.
>>24823791Just pretend it's a dude. Isn't that what most gays do?
>>24823671stopped after he and bai ning bing leaves the old villagecant believe ruo nan is still alive after what im assuming fang yuan becomes immortal thought she was fodder
>>24823054the original was ai and the new one was a commission to replace it because author didn't want an ai cover
>>24823792If you are a garbage person then how can you have bad vibes in your life?
>>24823790Because it's funny giving RR readers an MC who is good to the point that they won't kill and who isn't OP
>>24823797Ffs , when will people stop replacing soulful AI art with commisioned slop?
>>24823790Many reason, but they all can be resume in a single sentence: He is Not-Italian.>>24823791The CO-MC's gf.
>>24823795She barely reached rank 5 when Fang Yuan was already peak rank 7. Just a useless character.
I can't fucking stand technobabble or 'thaumobabble' dumps and cannot understand how anyone can unironically enjoy that shit
>>24823799I bring the bad vibes
>>24823810Who cares about others
>>24823801really is kinda scary that lots of people call the ai one soulful, no?our days as creatives are numbered anons...
>>24823809Was reading Ace of Cards recently and it's very funny that the author does entire chapters of this and then at the end of book 2 reveals that there's actually something previously undisclosed that was really the reason half the stuff covered in the magicbabble worked.
anons just like the first cover because it looks more childlike and 4chan has a certain type of user base
>>24823802>The CO-MC's gf.Worst kind of a story.
>>24823812I'm trying to care about others.
>>24823822Mc is the villain of the story, and this one is the hero.It's cool.
>>24823795>reading the spoiler spammer’s shitKeep reading RI, it only gets better after leaving Qing Mao mountain. In particular, the Three Kings Inheritance arc which comes after the wilderness/shang city bits is god tier.>ruo nanShe kind of is fodder. She/the Tie clan are relevant in the Three Kings Inheritance arc.
>>24823825And then they become girlfriend-boyfriend?
I have a good idea for a web novel and decent writing skills, but will likely end up dropping it half way through out of laziness like every other thing I've attempted in my life. Web novels for this feel?
>>24823801Never
If I had my way, I’d write using 100% dialogue. No prose, no tags. Just pure dialogue, like my beloved radio dramas. But I’ve already tried that once, and readers absolutely hated it. So now I want to know: what is the bare minimum amount of prose I need?A)One by one, we clambered over the aged stone walls and made our way down a dark alley.“Wait!” our leader, Marcus, held up his hand.Ahead of us, a squad of orcs marched—well, more like waddled—down the moonlit street, a brown giant leading four smaller green ones. They swayed and reeked of booze, chatting loudly in their guttural tongue.I raised my bow, but Marcus seized it.“I said wait,” he whispered through gritted teeth.So we knelt in the shadows, hearts pounding, as the orcs stumbled past. When the last of them disappeared around a corner, we continued our journey through the dark city, sticking to the shadows and trash-strewn alleys.Finally, we reached a building with boarded-up windows. Without needing a signal, a balcony door opened and a rope ladder dropped down.Marcus kept watch as the crew climbed up. But when it came my turn, Marcus gripped my shoulder—hard.“Next time I tell you to do something, do it,” he said, glaring at me.I shook off his hand. “Next time you touch my bow, I’ll run a knife through your gut.”Marcus’s hot eyes followed my back as I climbed the ladder and entered the building, where the rest of our crew was waiting.
>>24823900im pretty sure that's also AI lmaohe just swapped AI covers
>>24823905B)One by one, we clambered over the aged stone walls and made our way down a dark alley.Our leader, Marcus, took point. He was a tall man, around forty, with scars crisscrossing his thick limbs. He looked more like a mercenary than a thief, and his awkward footfalls didn’t soften that impression. So he should thank his lucky stars he wasn’t a real thief, even if he was now scurrying through the shadows like one.“Wait!” Marcus raised his hand and dropped into a crouch. We followed.Ahead of us, a squad of orcs marched—well, more like waddled—down the moonlit street, a brown giant leading four smaller green ones. They swayed and reeked of booze, chatting loudly in their guttural tongue.The green ones were easy pickings. I’d killed dozens in my wilder days. But the brown one was different. I’d faced his kind twice before. Greater orcs, they were called. Their elephantine hide made them a nightmare to kill, and despite their bulk, they moved with the precision of trained fighters.Now, drunk and relaxed, he was vulnerable.An opportunity.I raised my bow and aimed for the soft spot between his neck muscles. One shot would drop him. The green ones wouldn’t have time to react before four more arrows pierced their throats.I knew I could do it. I’d done it before. One clean shot, then four quick follow-ups. Easy pickings.But Marcus’s hand shot out and seized my bow. “I said wait,” he hissed through gritted teeth. His bloodshot eyes dared me to defy him.Reluctantly, I lowered the bow.There went our chance.We knelt in the shadows, hearts pounding, as the orcs stumbled past. When the last of them turned the corner, Marcus rose and motioned us forward. We continued through the dark city, sticking to the shadows and trash-strewn alleys.Eventually, we reached a building with boarded-up windows. No signal was needed as a balcony door creaked open, and a rope ladder dropped down. Marcus kept watch as the crew climbed. But when it was my turn, he grabbed my shoulder—hard.“Next time I tell you to do something, do it,” he said, glaring.I glanced at his hand and felt the urge to kill him surge through me.I bit it back.Not yet. Not now. Not before he led me to my prize. I could always kill him later.I settled for shaking off his hand. “Next time you touch my bow, I’ll run a knife through your gut.”Marcus’s hot eyes followed me as I climbed the ladder and entered the building, where the rest of our crew was waiting.Can I go lower?Or do I need more? And more of what?
>>24823897RE: Trailer Trash, Last OrellenThe second one's hilarious. Author could be making absolutely ludicrous money but they wouldn't commit to writing it.
>>24823900Using same trick as glass cannon, covering the fucked up hands with the title lmao. Looks better though, it's harder to tell that it's AI, unlike the previous one.
>>24823905>proseyou mean narration. dialogue is prose. prose is just the written word not in poetry form.I think you could get away with even less narration than what's in this excerpt. the problem is, it doesn't really belong in litrpg fundamentally. fight scenes will need lots of narrationwould work much better for some sort of drama or intrigue story
>>24823911>Author could be making absolutely ludicrous money but they wouldn't commit to writing it.pretty sure when this happens it's because the authors are already financially well off and it doesn't matter, or they truly don't care about making money for one reason or another
>>24823014>talks about mahou shoujo>doesn't know who one of the most popular isAs expected of /wng/.
>>24823912This one's got the classic ai thing going on where everything is weirdly equally in focus>>24823915I always got the impression that Sleyca was pretty comfortable and they're raking it in.
>>24823919>I always got the impression that Sleyca was pretty comfortable and they're raking it in.are you saying sleyca is LO's author? i dont know the schizotheories there, haven't read either
>>24823900that is blatantly AI, at least the original MLA one is slightly ambiguous, how are you guys so awful at recognizing AI art
>another episode of someone saying he prefers an aigen cover over the commissioned "remake"should i post my aislop vs commissionslop to compare?
>>24823936No just saying that Sleyca (the Super Supportive writer) gave off the impression of being a housewife with a husband who earns a fair bit (maybe my brain's just inventing this though lol) but they've been one of the more successful authors at monetizing their writing despite not necessarily "needing" to.Maybe that's why they're unstubbed and not on KU though, that's a lot of money to just turn down.
>>24823941yes, what you said with KU, but also sleyca has always had a very 'fuck you, I don't care what feedback is, I'm doing what I want' approach so that makes sense for her backstory then.she's lost like 13k/month on her patreon since her peak btw. and hasn't made the slightest indicator she wants to course correct her story from the endless true-slice-of-life arc it's inif she got bored of the story I bet she would just drop it, like LO and other similar authors did. that's kinda my point: money isn't the motivation, clearly
>>24823941if you're good at writing you can make money without catering to an audience. so long as there's some basic appeal to begin with
>>24823950I do wonder why so few people look at stuff like Pale Lights and not just think "maybe I should try something original" though.Like obviously it's less reliable than litrpg and the author already has a big webnovel done but mage of corruption a deckbuilder isekai #5 is never gonna stand out much compared to that.
>>24823957Because people look at Pale Lights and see a top 0.01% technically proficient and imaginative author.People writing corruption mage isekai #5 know they're bad at writing but still want readers and money.Not everyone can be ErraticErrata. I daresay he is one of those authors that is talented enough that most people are genetically filtered at birth
>you have to compete with authors who are far better than you and laugh at the money>you have to compete with authors who are far worse than you and make 1000x more>you have to compete with authors who are similar to you and fight to the deaths over the scraps
>>24823957>>24823960Also: if someone of Wildbow or EE's writing talent chose to actually write to market, you would get something like Archmage.You don't even need to be particularly money-motivated to want to 20x your earnings, lol.I respect their love for the game, I suppose
>>24823962BasedJust as Crom intended...or didn't technically
Got my coffee and I'm sitting down to edit. This is your call to arms to get to work yourselves, slackards.
>>24823941I honestly think SS works on patreon just because you actually get a month's worth of content for the cost of a months' sub.Everything else gives you like two chapters, it also launched during the first big dramatic arc with stakes (Archmage being so crazy successful is weirder it's like two chapters ahead and they come out really fast so you barely get a benefit)
2025 In Publishing Of Web Novels, As Per Locus Magazine's Monthly People & Publishing Round-UpJune MATT DINNIMAN sold print rights to This Inevitable Ruin, seventh book in the Dungeon Crawler Carl series, to Jessica Wade at Ace via Seth Fishman of the Gernert Company.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/29358/dungeon-crawler-carl-book-6-the-ghosts-of-earthSeptemberSHIRTALOON & TRAVIS DEVERELL resold three books in the He Who Fights with Monsters series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault via Seth Fishman of The Gernert Company. Damian Wassel will edit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/26294/he-who-fights-with-monstersRHAEGAR resold three books in the Azarinth Healer series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault via Brooks Aspden at Portal Books. Damian Wassel will edit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/16946/azarinth-healerMICHAEL CHATFIELD resold three books in the Ten Realms series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault. Damian Wassel will edit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/16745/the-ten-realmsYRSILLAR resold three books in the Forge of Destiny series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault via Lenny Herbert of Maximum Orbit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21188/forge-of-destinyBENJAMIN KEREI resold the Unorthodox Farming fantasy series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault. Damian Wassel will edit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40786/oh-great-i-was-reincarnated-as-a-farmerTRAVIS BAGWELL resold three books in the Awaken Online LitRPG series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault. Damian Wassel will edit.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/6597/awaken-onlineTURTLEME’s fantasy web novel series The Beginning After the End went to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/3909/the-beginning-after-the-end
>>24823993>RHAEGAR resold three books in the Azarinth Healer... ...Damian Wassel will edit.That poor bastard lol
>>24823993jesus christ how many books is this poor Damian Wassel fucker editing
>>24823992archmage is eight chapters ahead (which is still very low admittedly) but it has lots of well executed cliffhangers on moments people really want to see, so people convert in crazy numbers because they're impatient dopamine addicts
>>24824005this is Aethon we're talking about. their version of editing doesn't even qualify as a simple proofreading, considering the fuckton of typos that get through. Don't even get me started on the dogshit prose in aethon books
>>24824014Also its conversion is lower than you think. it has 22,000 royalroad followers, 5000 spacebattles readers, and 2000 scribblehub readers. It performed absurdly well on all sites it posted to. And those are stats for people with accounts; plenty of people don't have accounts.4k subs isn't that shocking, considering. (Or rather, the shocking part is the public performance, the patreon conversion itself is on the high end but not anything truly absurd)
>>24823957I'm writing derivative stuff until I'm good enough to write something good
>>24823950Not necessarily true. Time is a limiting factor, as always.
>>24823429you forgot the imouto sisterwife
>>24823175S-S-SOVL in a /wng/ thread??!?!?!IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best formatting tool for creating the final .epub product, once manuscript is done? I have scrivener but I heard that formatting part is ass and it's better to use something else
>>24824140I have used Sigil in the past to edit epubs
>>24824142Thanks for the reply but this looks really ass lol. It's okay if it's a paid product, doesn't need to be freeware meant for techiesPeople are saying atticus/vellum are the top picks and Vellum is better. Anyone use that before?
>>24824140Kindle create, Amazon's own epoop converter. Why would you use anything else, when that's where you'll be selling it anyway
>>24824153>Why would you use anything elseheard stuff like Vellum has more options and is better at making it look pretty and professional
>>24824157How your epoop looks will depend 95% on the user's reader software and device settings, you have almost no control over that anyway
>>24824161Isn't stuff like line break designs, chapter-starts, etc determined by the ebook designer?I'll be honest here and say I only read ebooks by pirating them, but I feel like the design and layout changes quite a lot between those torrented versions. It's only shit like font, text size, and spacing that the ebook reader adjusts
>>248241684>It's only shit like font, text size, and spacing that the ebook reader adjustsSo "only" all the things that actually matter for reading. No one gives a single fuck about what dumb squiggles you set as text separators, or if the chapter starts with a nifty anfang or not.
>>24824173>No one gives a single fuck about what dumb squiggles you set as text separators, or if the chapter starts with a nifty anfang or not.I care about how my book looks.
>>24824175Then you must be going crazy, when the only part of the looks that you can actually control is that 0.1% that doesn't fucking matter
>>24824181It doesn't bother me when people don't take pride in the little details, you can do what you want. But it does bother me when people present soullessness as a virtueI care about how my book looks, down to the details. Fuck off you insect
It occurs to me that the the "selling shovels" of our previous "gold rush" era discussion could include things like fast&easy editing/formatting services.
>>24824189Is it you, Kino-man? Very few can rival this SSS-class autism
>>24824199Vellum costs $250 and is apparently the standard recommendation I'm seeing, so they beat you there lolMilking artists and profiting off their passion is hardly new
>>24824204No, it's a fellow K-man hater here, but I will say that the only thing that actually makes me think he's based is that he really is genuinely passionate about his schizo project. The part I don't respect is the shilling and refusal to take advice/feedback despite asking for it
>>24824209Thanks, bro. However, you ought to accept that if I don't do it in my way, there won't be no passion.
>>24824212And I appreciate that. It's that you ASKED for feedback then dismissed all of it because you "knew better". You could've been seen as a based king, but that just made you come off super annoying
>>24824213I'm like Cao Cao.Never admit you are wrong, while silenty change for better.
>>24824206Oh well. I'd rather dream about making money as a creator instead.
>>24824206"A fool and his money are easily parted."
Some tool specifically designed for and marketed to people writing web serials could totally carve out an audience though, I bet. Just not sure how you would be better than Scrivener etc
>>24824199Editing is too expensive for amateur authors to pay for it and doesn't make enough of a difference to popularity/income
>>24824269I feel like cheap and affordable editing could pay for itself for someone on the edge of popularity but not quite there. A small increase in writing quality from bad to mediocre has to be able to push them past the line in at least some cases.
>>24824269For actual amateur authors yeah. But if you're selling, and have dogshit grammar and prose but good storytelling, a quality line edit will massively expand your audience.
>>24824288>But if you're selling, and have dogshit grammar and prose but good storytelling, a quality line edit will massively expand your audience.(And I lump quite a lot of royalroad's current midlisters in this category)Then again, aethon chooses not to polish their shit, and they're making money hand over fist. So you're probably right, I've changed my mind
Thoughts on Tapas?
>>24824311What is Tapas?Let's hear your thoughts on it
>>24824149>this looks really assDo you care about the looks or the actual functionality? I used it and it was very easy to use, however it does not look like some crappy ipad app.
>>24824326Kind of like Webtoon, but with novels as well. A bit better to read on PC compared to RR since you can adjust font, size, and all of that. Don't know how the writing side measures up though and wanted to know if anyone had some experience with it.
>>24824311All I know is that it's where you can see good novels get terrible manwha-esque comic adaptions drawn by south east asians.
>>24823993it really is nothing but aethon huh
>>24824168my ereader uses the publisher set font by default though i can override it if i prefer something else. also RELATIVE font sizes are maintained, so if you have something like chapter headerrs in a larger size or opening quotations in a smaller size that still remains even when adjusting the ereader font size setting
>>24823443Because humans will invent nuclear fusion.
>>24823648Yep, you're right. It is indeed the way.>>24824448There's a chance these types of novels blow up when brought to a more general audience. Aethon is in a position to greatly benefit if that happens.
>>24823175I'm never gonna make it in this industry...
>>24824448No, that's just for web fiction/Royal Road basically. I posted a more expansive version in /sffg/, which has publishers other than Aethon.
>>24824594That's their point. Web fiction getting "published" is actually just aethon. It's not the book crossing over into trad publishers.
>>24824597I already posted about how Aethon has teamed up with Simon and Schuster, one of the largest trad publishers in the world and as such Aethon books will physically be in bookstores across the world.
>>24824597I wouldn't be surprised if aethon starts selling more books than some of the "big 5" sff imprints to be honest. You might be underestimating just how fuckoff big aethon is getting by being the dominant name in this space.
>>24823818You can just use the word lolicon you know. It's accurate AND apt in this situation.
>>24823818first cover fight the tone better. sorry. Also blame the author for going out of their way to describe Vivi as looking like a middle schooler if you have a problem with her looking childlike
It's funnier if the demon archmage looks like a middle schooler.
>>24824771There's zero weirdness in the story about it, it's played entirely for the gap moe of world's strongest spell caster keeps getting mistaken for pipsqueak possible child. i personally like it
>>24824587Why not?
>demon archmage looks like a middle schooler>halfling archmage is in fact a middle schooler>human archmage looks like a hyperborean gigachud>elf archmage looks as if someone transliterated the pythagorean theorem into physiognomy>dwarf archmage is a giant beard with a nose>demihuman archmage might actually just be a sapient animal wizard
>>24824829Didn't ask. Where's the fox wife?
>>24824843unfortunately, she withered away and died in the presence of the Aryan Adjudicator as she was mixed-race
Can anyone think of anything where the protag progresses by getting more utility instead of just power?Like a mage who gets more and more spells to handle different situations instead of teleport fireball of doom or w/ever
>>24824923Yes. Read reverend insanity. It's 90% utility the rest 10% is powerful spells.
>>24824959Gu worms are such a good power systemI’m mad I can’t just copy it
>>24824960why not
I can't wait until AI is good enough at translation and writing that I can read these eastern 'masterpieces' that make me want to kms every few paragraphs, and 100% of the time dialogue appears
>>24824972it's already good enough
>>24824979well, then I can't wait until someone makes a tool or provides the output on a website. im obviously not feeding it into chatgpt myself
>>24824972>filtered by learning a new language>filtered by translations>crying for AI to save himngmi
>>24824985>filtered by translationsis basically>filtered by not wanting to get punched in the nuts repeatedly to consume D-tier fictionyes, I do confess that this is me
>>24824972What's wrong with the eastern dialogue? Do you want those chinese people to talk like some modern day americans?
>>24824212As one of your haters, this is why I respect you and will buy a ticket to see the unlucky antagonist film in theatre. I will be pregaming and sneaking in buzz maintenance, but I'll be there laughing like a nigger in a movie theatre.
>>24824972On some level, the sentence construction in these eastern webnovels is just different from what you're used to in western prose at a fundamental level, and you're no longer asking for a /translation/, but a /localization/.Obviously you're going to get mocked for that. It's like saying damn I can't wait for AI to fix the shitty prose in Azarinth Healer so that I can read it without wanting to kill myself. Well shit I don't think you want to read Azarinth Healer then.I can't speak to RI specifically since I chose Japanese moonrunes over Chinese chickenscratch, but even comparing narou webnovels to actual novels in Japanese, light novels or "real" novels, the sentence construction is simply different. They're choppier, shorter, and simpler in webnovels than in regular novels. A translation would naturally preserve that.
>>24825069You can tell how most webnovels are written if you read some Mao Ni.That guy can actually write and it shows through in the translation compared to stuff like martial world even when the translation is pretty bad.
Is it me or is Rising Stars worse these days?Maybe it's because they all have AI covers but absolutely nothing has stood out in it as original or interesting for a while now
>>24824587Not with attitude. Fuck making it. Write something that excites you. Write something that makes you feel like you're gonna crap your pants. Write something that makes you laugh until you piss your pants. Write something you're sure only you could love, and spam the shit out of it like Kino spams his Unlucky Antagonist and Gooslurper spams his Diddler Disabled bugman slop. Just stop writing that you can't write, it's a waste of keystrokes and a damned lie and a fucking reddit-brained twitter-coded facebook NPC-ass attitude and you a god-fucked 4channer, the master race of the internet, and your hate can melt mountains. Write, damn you, write!
>>24825077>You can tell how most webnovels are written if you read some Mao Ni.>That guy can actually writeI don't know if you mean 'one can tell' or if you're trying to advise me specifically, after I already stated I can read webnovels in two languages.Additionally, pointing out someone you think "can actually write" is a blatant contradiction of the assertion that one can tell how MOST webnovels are written, since the typical webnovel is POORLY written, with choppy, simple sentence construction.If you want to read Mao Ni why not just do that? Nobody cares if you've checked out whatever spammers are losing their shit over, be it RI or LOTM or whatever, and you decided you don't like it. Just ignore them. I dislike Liu Cixin, but I don't waste my time wishing someone would rewrite his books to make them "good.">even when the translation is pretty bad.For the record, if you don't at least understand both the source and the target language, you can't make a statement on whether a translation is good or bad. At best, if you understand the target language, you can make a statement on whether the style of the translation is good or enjoyable. But you can't make any statement as to accuracy, which is the most important aspect of what makes a translation "good."
>>24825099jesus you're a fucking idiot
>>24825090Well what're you into?RS isn't always guaranteed to be good, and once you're following about ten fictions you're kind of "full," so new stuff has to be really appealing to stand out and be worth committing too.There are also RS pages for specific tags you can check out to tailor the list to your tastes.
>>24825090I'll be honest I nearly never looked at it, ever. I used to glean at it 5 years ago when I was still writing my bigger epic. I generally just use search to find completed stories.
>>24825090A RS review right now>The story bits are good, but this badly needs a proofreader. There are way too many inconsistencies and continuity errors for my taste. Sometimes arrows turn to spears, sometimes there are 3 people in a team sometimes 4. A person went from "fuck the tradition" to "he's gotta follow the tradition" in 1 para with no proper reasoning. Even the main looping ability is inconsistent. For example,>In one chapter, the mc ends with 10 total revives left, but the next chapter starts with him having 6 or 7, I dont exactly remember.>This is not because of some time skip either. It's not mentioned or acknowledged even once. The story continues on as if that were always the case.>So if such kind of inconsistencies ruin your immersion, I highly suggest skipping this.That's blatantly being written by AI, right? The weird inconsistencies and seemingly forgetting what you wrote a paragraph ago is an odd fuckup for a human but a common AI flaw as they run out of memory.
>>24825128not necessarily, the reviewer itself could be retarded. extremely possible.
>>24825128>having 6 or 76...............7?
>>24825142its 61 now old man
Get in 'ere>>24825158>>24825158>>24825158
>>24824960It's not that specific of a power system, it's vague enough that you could easily do your own version.>>24824972it's already good enoughthere's even a dedicated site, wtr-labyou can also copypaste chapters into deepseek, which has the best chinese translationcaptcha: TG00K lmao
>>24825069>you're no longer asking for a /translation/, but a /localization/.this is what nearly every translated novel is supposed to be unless it's some giga autistic academic edition with a page of translation notes for every page of text.
>>24825219Nope, there's a huge difference between a localization (4kids pokemon) and a translation (fansubs before CR took over everything, see the competing groups for Madoka and Kill la Kill when they aired).Anyone who can't tell the difference is a philistine.
