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>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml


>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
rentry.co/d2yvczro

Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn
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>>>24825161
>captcha: TG00K lmao
actually a generational roll
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I'm surprised people take the cultivation / wuxia stuff seriously. Not hating just don't get the appeal.
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>>24825182
I totally see the appeal. Cradle was lots of fun. I just can't stand eastern translationslop prose
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>>24825188
Cradle got me through the door too
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>>24825182
When I first started getting into the main appeal was how different everything was. I was rather captivated by renegade immortal back when that was getting translated. I never did finish it, but those 800ish chapters I did read felt quite special at the time.
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>>24825180
Like holy fuck look at this. It's worse than a high school author's attempt at creative writing. It's so painfully bad, and I actively try to like this slop.
How do braindamaged easternsloppers do it? How do you read this shit?
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>>24825194
figure it out yourself /wg/ bro
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>>24825196
i am not a /wg/ bro lol
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>>24825198
sure lol
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>>24825202
quiz me however you want, ignoring the easternslop sphere lmfao
there really is a divide between people who can deal with translated prose and not. I've read some serious western slop before but translation is where my tolerance ends.
i honestly wish i had your braindamage, there are apparently lots of good xianxiaslop stories out there
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>>24825205
done with your melty /wg/ friend?
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>>24825207
>quiz me however you want
>doesn't
okay RI fag you're really sensitive about this aren't you?
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>>24825194
you need to first desensitize yourself to shitty translations and poor grammar by spending your youth reading half mtl'd fan translations of japanese webnovels. then you will truly be posed to accept the kino of cultivation
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The problem with writing xianxia is that the readers are 3rd worlders and, in the edge case, low iq westerners. Which means that there's literally zero money to be made. Both are poor. That's why the big western stories, despite way smaller audiences by number, make way more money.
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>>24825182
Why would people not take it seriously? It's just fantasy, it's more surprising people take RR slop and and japanese/western isekai novels seriously.

>>24825194
How do you read western webnovels?
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>>24825241
Isn't Sky Pride doing quite well?
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>>24825253
BoC too and FoD
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>>24825251
>How do you read western webnovels?
Middling EFL prose is about 100x better than translation prose
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>>24825254
>FoD
lumping in Forge with SP and BOC is kinda funny. you really needed a second example
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>>24825254
>FoD
Which one is this again?
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>>24825260
Not really, I just listed the first two I thought of
Ave Remi Xia or whatever is also a success but the name doesn't exactly stick in the mind does it?
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>>24825261
Forge of Destiny.
Female protag does music cultivation makes friends with a spider or snake clan girl. Lots of focus on politics vs just killing everyone.
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>>24825241
I like unseen cultivator quite a bit, it's an interesting take on the usual cultivation setting.
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>>24825263
FOD is doing """"well"""" I guess. but in the context of this conversation is really isn't. It's probably the #150 performer, if that.
xianxia does not do well monetarily. exceptions exist but they are exceptions.

english speaking readers (the moneybags) really do not like xianxia
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>>24825194
>and I actively try to like this slop.
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>>24825241
The usual premise of western webnovel is some love story hero simp/goon bullshit. Even if some highly regarded western author writes it, it's still a shitty novel despite perfect English prose and professional editing (most webnovels is just slop on rr, with neither good prose not editing)
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>>24825279
It's gotten resold for publication. I think once you've made it to that point you're a meaningful success.
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>>24825280
See, this is the actual /wg/ fag
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>>24825209
It's just No True Scotsman because in his mind, all of /wng/ must be fans of Wang Yawn. What's your favorite wn that isn't one of the bigger ones?
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>>24825256
If there is no substance, no real depth to the story then good prose is irrelevant (most western webnovels are like that)
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>>24825283
i didn't say xianxia couldn't find basic success, retard. reread the reply chain and rub as many brain cells together as possible, then reply to the actual topic at hand
xianxia readers. fuck me, man
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>>24825290
i agree. story is what matters. however, the prose needs to be better than what a 5th grader can put out. it's a fundamental filter to most readers.
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>>24825292
you said "there's literally zero money to be made" you stupid cunt
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>>24825288
Nta but My longevity simulation is very good.
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>>24825288
Give me a limit on what "bigger ones" means and I will answer
Most shit that is truly small is kinda awful though.
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>>24825279
It took decades of exposure to Japanese culture, while Americans were actively occupying them and rotating servicemen in and out for decades (continuing to today) for Japanese pop-media to gain a foothold in the west.

China, and especially Chinese culture, has been a LOT more closed off to the West. You had the century of humiliation, the war period when they were occupied by imperial Japan, and then the rise of the CCP (which is largely anti-chinese folklore and culture), and it's only in, what, the last few decades that the CCP has loosened restrictions enough for culture to flourish again?

Granted the internet is accelerating things a lot but ten years xianxia as a literary genre was a teeny tiny niche, and twenty years ago it was effectively unknown. Twenty years ago was 2005.

So it's not that the west doesn't like xianxia, it's that 99% of readers have never even heard of xianxia, at all. We truly are on the cutting edge of literature here on 4chan.org/lit/.
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>>24825296
eastern-prose reader confronts an english hyperbole for the first time, ignores all context
you are so cute
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>>24825295
I guess that disqualified 98% of novels on royal road
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>>24825307
Yes. Agreed.
Obviously most AI generated and first time stories suck fucking ass. Gee whiz that's such a shocker
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>>24825305
It's not hyperbole when you outright made a claim of no successes lol.
You're goalpost shifting because you made a post based on how you feel rather than what's true and are now trying to keep going.

You do this almost every day in here. The moment someone points out you're wrong about "a majority of X" or "none of Y" you keep trying to redefine down to more and more specific arguments until something fits your assumption.
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>>24825301
TWI, DCC, HWFWM. That level is the cutoff.
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The crazy thing is I really, truthfully am not trolling for responses, I'm making common sense (to me) replies that get endless >>'s
I really despise you guys btw. Spoken as someone who really does read this shit

>>24825312
>FOD is doing """"well"""" I guess.
>but in the context of this conversation is really isn't
>It's probably the #150 performer
>exceptions exist but they are exceptions.
>exceptions exist but they are exceptions.
>exceptions exist but they are exceptions.
Wow, it's almost like I say that some xianxia stories do perform at a high level. And that FOD does okay but it really isn't worth mentioning and there's a hundred stories earning more, easily

>WOW YOU'RE JUST NO TRUE SCOTSMAN AND MOVING GOALPOSTS
I really fucking am not, you are just truly, genuinely retarded and cannot understand simple english.

Be honest anon. Are you ESL?
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>>24825312
Anon he's trolling and you're on the hook.
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>>24825309
Then why are people posting and promoting those stories here on /wng/ ?
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>>24825281
>>24825241
This is like 99% of eastern webslop too.
Story just made up as they go along.
Random timeskips for no reason to go up in power by a fraction of what they achieve later in the story with no timeskips.
Harem but they don't know when to stop and keep adding more and more girls without even fleshing out the original ones.
Regression revenge story and the MC finally gets their revenge but they fucked 1 thing up and have to go all the way back to the beginning.
MC starts the story as genderbent but then lives as a lesbian anyway, a western novel would just write a story about a lesbian but then that would be totally lgbt or something right?
Random ideas and subplots introduced that are never mentioned again. Long winded exposition dumps of worldbuilding that never even comes up in the plot
This is just the Korean and Japanese ones.
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Why is everyone being a passive aggressive soifaggot today? You ladies on your periods?
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>>24825322
What are you talking about?
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>>24825322
The 98% I disqualified were the 98% trash stories that nobody knows about.
If you mean 98% of commonly talked about RR stories, then I disagree
(I'm responding to the actual /wg/ fag, I suspect)
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>>24825328
You are. Did you notice his ambiguous statement that doesn't actually take any definable stance, yet is stated in an inflammatory way as though he's seeking to upset people?
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xianxia will only become kino when a writer localizes it in terms of /pol/.
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>>24825334
I bet you're conflating people rn btw. I'm the main anon getting tons of responses, flaming xianxia
Once again, xianxia readers failing basic literacy tests
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>>24825328
I meant the novels commonly mentioned here.

>>24825334
What are you even on about?
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>>24825345
>I meant the novels commonly mentioned here.
Yeah, I don't agree. I think the popular RR stories are half good and half bad. I am not on your side, /wg/ fag.

I just think eastern slop is trash.
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But... /wng/ doesn't hardly ever mention any webnovels during our threads...
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I finally did it. I started writing my first 1500 words. Nothing is gonna stop me now.
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Reminder to subscribe to Max Level Archmage's Patreon
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>>24825347
Japanese novels are trash, not sure about Korean novels (probably trash), and in fact most Chinese novels are trash but not RI (and few others). I am not /wg/ btw

Western webnovels are all trash. I haven't discovered a single webnovel that wasn't trash. Some started out strong and turned into trash later on, most were trash from chapter 1.
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>>24825375
Nobody asked your opinion RI spammer. Anything you endorse is automatically poisoned
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>>24825372
>female lead
>isekai
>drama
>slice of life
No thanks
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>>24825382
remove the isekai and that's my dream story
any recs?
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Wait didn't the statisticsfag show up roughly the same time as the RI spammer? Is it the same guy?
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would my western WN get banned if it had an arc where the MC goes schizo, enslaves an entire people, then proceeds to work them to death in building grand projects such as canals, giant border walls, pyramids, etc. in order to punish them for being massive pains in his ass?
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>>24825369
That's awesome anon, keep it up!
I forced myself to meet my average from a few weeks ago today after I had a bit of a fall off. We're all gonna make it.

>>24825382
Picrel

>>24825385
Depends on what you mean by slice of life. Some people want to read about actual daily life with no overarching narrative, other people just mean "slow paced fantasy that meanders towards a conclusion."

Any Japanese fiction with "slow life" in the title might be what you're looking for but be aware they may sneak a larger narrative in there at some point.
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>>24825396
Fined by the ADL
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>>24825398
>Depends on what you mean by slice of life. Some people want to read about actual daily life with no overarching narrative, other people just mean "slow paced fantasy that meanders towards a conclusion."
>Any Japanese fiction with "slow life" in the title might be what you're looking for but be aware they may sneak a larger narrative in there at some point.
If you rec, anon, I will read it. Give me peak
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>>24825377
RI every single chapter is peak, there is strong premise, literally the best mc in existence, excellent plot and story. Not a single western webnovel can compete with RI. It makes western authors seethe (and not just them, even chinese authors seethe). For various reasons western authors are incapable of writing such quality work.
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>>24825405
lol
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>>24825398
Can you explain the meaning of that picture?
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>>24825405
you were literally mindbroken earlier and gave up responding despite being called out
how can you possibly respond now
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>>24825412
Which post?
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>>24825158
Post your slop, and I will read the first chapter. I might even rate it on RR.
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>>24825413
you can't even read now?
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anons what should i do if the world the mc of my wn got isekai’d to ended up just being Eärwa
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>>24825416
I can, but I am still not sure which post you are referring to.
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>>24825424
>I can read, but I can't understand the words
really setting a new standard here RI fag
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>>24825404
Isekai, drama, slice of life, male mc? That's actually fairly restrictive. The closest I can think of off the top of my head is Peddler in Another World: I Can Go Back to My World Whenever I Want! It's a little light on drama, but there is some present.

A fair number are not isekai, they're native fantasy. A Cozy Life in the Woods with the White Witch is male MC, but all the characters are native.

Haibara’s Teenage New Game+ is drama, slice of life, male mc, but it's not only not isekai, it's not even fantasy. I suppose it's a regression story, where a guy goes back in time and relives high school but less retarded. I actually like that one a lot.

A Late-Start Tamer’s Laid-Back Life is MMO, so not really isekai, and it's VERY light on drama, but heavy on MMO slice of life. Not to everyone's taste but enjoyable enough.

Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill is probably the closest to what you're looking for, but I got tired after about ten volumes and fell off, though I mean to get back into it. S2 of the anime is currently airing. But again, very low on drama.

All these recommendations are from J-Novel Club, which are licensed and translated Light Novels that generally were based on webnovels from narou before they were picked up for professional editing and publication.

I tend not to read slice of life on RR, and the one I do is FeMC native-fantasy, and even then it's low drama and not even really slice of life, since there's clearly a narrative that's being built up, just very very slowly. (Taste of Magic: General's Echo [Cozy (yet Dark) LitRPG])
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>>24825423
>mc did not get transmigrated
>he got "isekai'd"
Throw your novel into trash.
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>>24825432
Bro I asked for fmc, remove the isekai
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>>24825411
When people say they don't read FeMC near me, it feels like they're stabbing me with knives, like in the picture.
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>>24825428
Don't just continue this pointless back and forth convesation. Specify the post and I will address it.
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>>24825438
No, because you know what I'm talking about, and if you don't, you are an insect only worth baiting
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>>24825436
Oh I am sorry I said that (near you), anon. I didn't realize it might hurt your feelings.
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Okay but we've all subscribed to Max Level Archmage's Patreon by now, right?
What'd you think of the most recent Patreon chapter?
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>>24825435
Oh fuck lmao, the caffeine's wearing off.

Uhhh, Spice & Wolf if you don't mind Lawrence as a co-lead, Haruhi Suzumiya series, Sorcerer's Guild Receptionist (really good), anything by FUNA even though it's isekai, it's really good, Modern Villainess: It's not Easy Building a Corporate Empire Before the Crash (this is 10/10), The Weakest Tamer Began a Journey to Pick Up Trash (also 10/10), Apothecary Diaries, A Tale of the Secret Saint.

These are also all licensed and professionally translated. Dahlia In Bloom deserves special mention even though it's isekai, it's a very minor part of the plot and I think it's worth overlooking.

If you're not used to finding Japanese LNs, check
nyaa
.
si
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>>24825433
are you upset because i used a japanese term or because you despise any eastern influence in general?
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>>24825441
It's okay anon, I get to post the picture when that happens which makes me laugh and I feel better.
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>>24825446
I can't afford to subscribe until my own patreon covers my $150/month energy drink habit.
Almost there! Maybe by December I'll be making enough if my writathon novel hits RS.
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>>24825452
why'd you delete Glass Cannon?
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>>24825448
I despise this particular japanese trope, and other manga/anime tropes that found their way into (web)literature
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>>24825446
unsubbed. tell that dork to release the saturday chapters we were promised.
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>>24825460
fuck man i'm busy okay. it was supposed to be a for fun project but then i started taking it more seriously and the chapters take longer and longer. plus i have editor notes I have to work through and all the peripheral stuff takes more time than you think, like narrator and artist coordination and so on
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>>24825455
Not me, but damn that made me sad. I'm going to start archiving anon's work I want to read but not right now. Glass Cannon was really interesting as a premise and I liked the MC.

No, I'm the paranoid schizo who refuses to name her work lest it be associated with 4chan and thereby tainted forevermore.
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>>24825465
It's okay MagicRhythm, you just go at your own pace.
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>>24825390
We're both from /sffg/, but no, we're not the same.
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>>24825469
>her
That already really narrows it down.
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>>24825465
you'll never see my $10 again; this is the price of your hubris
>artist coordination
if this leads to Saffra art in some way I will take it back
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>>24825402
They didn't do any of that. The builders were farmers that worked in the offseason. Slaves have pretty much never been used for skilled labor anywhere until ww2.
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>>24825486
>if this leads to Saffra art in some way I will take it back
I really should. Finding artists is hard though
Just reference the ad for a general idea
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>>24825469
>I'm going to start archiving anon's work I want to read but not right now.
with the fanficfare plugin in calibre it takes two clicks to download a RR story as epub.
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Are there any blatant or obviously AI written stories in Rising Stars or other top categories? I want to look at them.
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>>24825496
i can't remember the name but there was a big success literally tagged as AI recently. some soldier story with tiny chapters. really depressed me
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>>24825494
I use WebToEpub and coincidentally it's the same number of clicks.
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>>24825496
pic reached #2 rising stars a month ago
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>>24825502
well then I don't know what you're waiting for
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>>24825465
i’m starting to suspect that the obscurecanto shitposts aren’t actually shitposts
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>>24825520
but you'll never actually know for sure ;)
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>>24825516
I was being lazy and didn't think Glass Cannon would edge me like this ;_;
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>>24825482
wait, but most writers are women. is this thread different
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>>24825555
Let's assume that you aren't joking and that you realize where you are.
Look at the author tab/sheet of the spreadsheet in the OP.
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It's kind of tough getting people to read a fiction without spoiling it for them at the same time.
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>>24825505
Is this the sameo one as >>24825128 ?
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>>24825607
Why is she twelve feet tall
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>>24825608
that review is on
>The Gamble King [A Mage, Time-loop, Isekai litRPG] which is currently #9 RS
also #10 is a challenger to magicrhythm
when are we getting max level bard
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>>24825610
She ate her vegetables.
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whats the best FREE AI image generation site for covers at the moment
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>>24825622
don't do AI cover, literally drawing a stick figure is better
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The small paladin post from the previous thread is now the highlight of my writing career: >>24823175

We're all gonna make it!
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>>24825627
I'm not even good enough for that...
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>>24825634
then do something extremely minimalistic
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>>24825650
Something you might also try is brushing (I don't know the exact term). You start with the largest brushes to get the outline, and then use smaller brushes to add details to make it less blurry.
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>>24825634
>>24825627
Do use an AI cover, but not like this: >>24825622

If you use a website you typically end up with crap because you don't really get the process nor can you tweak things. If you have a GPU with at least 6-8 GB of VRAM I suggest hitting up the /g/ or /b/ threads about local image gen and learning.

But if you really need a website then civitai likely offers the closest alternative to learning to use these tools. I'm unsure if you can make a good cover with that though.

Pic related, something I gen'd a long time ago
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>>24825666
A good example that AI can't generate good taste, satan
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>>24825666
>Pic related, something I gen'd a long time ago
And it still looks bad.
Hand positions are awkward, and where is the light supposed to come from?
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>>24825158
>make it to Best Rated on RR
>hardly earning anything on Patreon
why?
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>>24825690
Could be because there's a small amount of people that really like it but it lacks RR mainstream appeal so low conversions.
Could also be a (much less extreme) case similar to Cat Bodega or whatever it's called where they get a lot of follows/reviews from networking but not as many conversions as all the RR activity would suggest it should have.
Could be people counter-signalling against RR mainstream by supporting this kind of story even though it's still not something they would like personally
Could be all of the above
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>>24825690
You've stubbed and your RR page is basically just an amazon ad with a small synopsis that says very little about the story. What incentive does anyone have to subscribe to your patreon?
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>>24825709
>it lacks RR mainstream appeal
explain?
>>24825734
this makes more sense. first chapter got published 7 years ago, and last 3 years ago, so it makes sense that the fiction page and the patreon attached to it are dead
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Realistically speaking, why wouldn't you read/write FeMC? It's like playing videogames; would you rather spend your day staring at man-ass?
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>>24825709
All of Bodega Cat's reviews say it starts interesting and neatly written, but it devolves into intelligibility. So i assume the problem is author being ESL and/or dependent of AI generating content for him.
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>>24825798
Personally I don't really care and read both (as long as characters aren't annoying snarkbags) but "staring the at man-ass" argument really doesn't work for web novels imo.
The "I just like cute/sexy" one flies better I think
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>>24825798
I'm not trans.
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>>24825798
I don't mind femMC stories but I am missing true girl gamer thinking (for litrpgs).
Where are the women that want to magic their tits to double Ds?
Where are the women that pick fashion over stats?
Where are the women that find silver-fox male NPCs hot ?
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>>24825798
I don't read them because they're usually repulsive when done by others, but I write them myself so that I could get feMCs that aren't repulsive.
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>>24825666
Since we’re on the topic, is this good enough for RR or should I at least pay someone to fix the hands
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>>24825821
her hands look mostly okay. dont pay until you've tried getting it doctored on /wsr. The image looks great overall. Good luck!
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>>24825812
Ah yes, the 1-dimensional woman archetype
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>>24825842
I'll take it as opposed to "gamer , but has tits"
I mean , where is the female Jason Asano ?
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>>24825853
"Gamer girl isekai"
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>>24825866
How is that NOT "gamer but has tits"?
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>>24825798
In a video game I control the character, in a novel I don't. FeMC means a passive protagonist that lets the story happen to them rather than the other way around. It means that there's no real romance/relationship either (or if there is, I probably don't want to read it).

FeMCs are also uncontroversial. They will never go against whatever is in vogue in modern day politics. This results in FeMCs being basically interchangeable in terms of personality and how they act.

The only exception is if the feMC is a victim, but that goes even harder against the proactiveness, so I don't want to read that.

tl;dr feMCs are usually boring
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>>24825821
Fix them yourself. Content aware fill and drawing over the outlines makes it pretty easy.
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>>24825821
What you people should consider above all is that most people will see the cover only as a tinyass thumbnail on the side of their window. No one can see the fucking hands and fingers. The much bigger issue is that the image is just a drab, blue-gray mess from a distance, and you can barely tell what's in it. Your eye will skip over a bland mess like this without even being conscious of it. It signals nothing about the story and doesn't invite to click on it.
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>>24825798
I haven't read much but most of the time FeMCs are just a dude but with tits and pussy down to their attraction to woman. So i doesn't really change much
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>>24825908
nta but ai also fixes this in like 5 seconds
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>>24825918
much better!
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Okay I'm starting to wonder now.
Is being decent at photoshop enough to give your story a boost vs all these ai covers that are competent but not necessarily well composed?
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>>24825908
Does this have the same problem ? I already slotted both into RS with inspect, and don’t really see what they’re failing to convey compared to that. Maybe I’ll just make the lady take up more of picture? It’s pretty hard for me tell how improve when I’m already so bias in favor of whatever I’m deciding
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>>24825923
>AI is le bad!
Readers couldnt care less about how it gets done, just do it, you dunce.
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How do I imagine a nerdy female character WITHOUT glasses?
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>>24825929
Read the actual post before you reply you idiot.
It's not about them just being AI it's about none of the ai images being done to intentionally draw the eye.
Look at how muddy and evenly-focused these are before a dark outlined title is even slapped over them.
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>>24825918
Clear improvement, though I think it could still do better. The dark doll jut melts into the dark dress and the chair swallows the figure.
>>24825927
Yes. Come on. You only see the moon and those snotclumps clearly, while the character who should be the most important element is an unidentifiable shadow of a nigger.
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>>24825936
I'm not an idiot. I understood what you said, and my point is, you can make a terrible or amazing cover regardless of the method you use, be it AI or human stylization.
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>Can You Conquer the World With Martial Arts returns after a 2 month hiatus
>ends 10 chapters later
Kind of a shame but after looking at its patreon I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.

At least the ending was pretty good.
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>>24825941
Ah ok. I understand what everyone meant with the first comment now. This is like a ten minute fix on photoshop taking out the blue from femMc, brightening the picture, and blurring out the background. Thanks anons. Here’s a bonus cover for all your troubles
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>>24825927
Just look at Max Level Archmage for anything related to success. At least the original cover. The thumbnail is the most important part. AI or not, it is immediately striking; bright, contrasting colors. Bored face unironically gives it immediate personality, and makes it relatable. Simple, without complicated detail in the background, especially not if it steals protagonism. Action poses look tacky and generic. Don't make it overly 'sexual', like excessive cleavage or a very beautiful girl (that isn't stylized); many readers will avoid it because they don't want to see themselves reading that, something that screams 'for your male viewing pleasure'.

Your cover isn't inherently bad here, but the only contrast is the eyes (which you can't see from the thumbnail unless you make her bigger), and the ugly blobs in the back, which is not what you want the readers immediately looking at. It's too dark, but the black dress and hair would work well if the skin was brighter, or the background instead.
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>>24825973
forgot image.
>>24825972
Also notice how she's looking at you. Makes it more personal somehow.
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>>24825972
Now it looks like a book cover, congratulations.
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>>24825182
It's like, imagine if self-improvement was spherical and easy. Just sit there daydreaming about being better at everything than everyone and blowing them all up with magic lasers, and after a few hours, *ding* you got yourself a brand new elixir furnace golden core and you're magically better at everything and now all those Stacies who didn't offer you a blowie on sight will know fear as you fly down from the sky and sword them into piles of meat and gu. The ultimate incel neet fantasy. It fucking rocks. Why'm I gonna waste time reading literature and doing pushups and cooking nutritious meals and bathing practicing my yoga and karate moves and taking fencing lessons and socializing in low-pressure environments and attending bible study and volunteering at a soup kitchen and budgeting my expenses and gong to bed on time so I can get to work on time rested enough to do a good job and maybe earn a promotion, all just to become a better and more well-rounded person, when clearly maladaptive daydreaming is the meta, wth some expensive exotc drugs thrown in as accelerants, ideally. It's the ideal propaganda for an authortarian state, that's why the CCP funds it and why Disney's getting ready to pivot to it as soon as the next Starwar flops, and eventually all other genres will be declared pornographic and be outlawed, and y'all'll wsh you'd said damn the TOS and just written the smut you really wanted to write anyway.
Anyway, I enjoy some light cultivation in my fic, just like I enjoy some light litrpg, some light smut, and some light action. Get bogged down in genre conventions to the point you mistake them mfor plot, though, and all you get is boring.
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>>24825981
Are you the Scoundrel writer?
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>>24825981
You're literally describing typical MC vs typical young master.
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>>24825631
It's really fucking good, I read it, I see it in my brainmind, including details that aren't in the description, because you didn't waste both our time insulting my imagination with long-winded descriptions of your vision. You delivered the broad strokes and let my mind fill in the details, and kept the pace tight, allowing the prose to land as swiftly and smoothly as the action it describes. Love it.
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>>24825666
It looks fine from a pure art perspective but for cover art meant to advertise your book on RR it's just too detailed and loses definition the moment it's not full screen. I feel like most people should stick to something stylized instead of realistic unless you're willing to zoom the picture in really far.
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>>24825994
No, still in the brainstorming phase of my slop. But if scoundrel is written in a voice as manic and paranoid as mine, I'll gladly give it a try.
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>>24825955
>ending was pretty good
did it answer the question in the title? was the world conquered with martial arts?
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>>24826016
No I mean the writer seems very concerned with self-improvement. Which is fine I guess though I find it kind of weird he then made the MC transmigrate into a tall handsome guy and all he had to do was get a hair cut and dye it back to black and not bully people. Oh and hes a natural born fighter with great instincts.
Still enjoyed the story despite the constant cooking chapters and the anime-ish stuff like forehead flicking and eyes "crescenting into moons". Though I might drop it in the future if it drags on further without getting into more serious stuff with the step-mother/step-brother threat.
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>>24826032
It did. You can.
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>I don't want to learn Chinese
>I don't want to read a translation
>S-SAVE ME CHAT GPT!!!
kekaroo
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One of the things that's great about Reverend Insanity is that the other characters aren't just retards that are only there for the MC to defeat. They act rationally, they have their own plans and schemes, and in many cases they actually overcome Fang Yuan despite his advantages.

Too often in webnovels, things only seem to exist as far they relate to the main character.
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Monthly reminder that raising a gu is like raising a mistress.
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>>24826096
>t. giant sun immortal venerable
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>>24826089
No
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>>24826089
He was stronger and had a better plan. Sadly, he was beaten by tricky advertising from the MC.
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does anyone knows, links to patreon allowed on webnovel website? I plan to release some free chapters and sell rest via patreon subs
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>release 30 chapters on webnovel
>release another 20 on patreon/gated behind paywall
>thereafter release 2 chapters a week
is this a good game plan or not
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Barely related because it's for a fanfic, but is Amino any good for promoting stuff?
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>>24826141
maybe
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>>24826141
Release just over a month's worth. That way if someone wants to keep reading they at least have to sub every other month.
If you release 2 months worth they can do a month on and 2 off.
Also waiting 2 months for free chapters to catch up if they were ahead but had to stop subbing probably means they just drop it.
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What's the appeal of the webnovel website? I've only entered briefly and it seems like all the content there is utter shit, even compared to RR
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>>24826159
Huge community.
Without contract, you can upload your novel on all websites that can bring subscribers.
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>>24826161
But given the quality of the content, I can only assume it's entirely made up of third worlders
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>>24826159
Has some books that aren't elsewhere. Is the most obvious way to get paid for authors.

Does feel like a misstep to use it though.
Only thing from there I actually read is The Hitting Zone and that would do so well in a royalroad/patreon scenario instead it's making £30 on patreon plus whatever webnovel pays.
I think it's only on there because it's 6 years old, that probably seemed like the sensible move at the time.
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>>24826169
Oh, so webnovel pays its writers with ad revenue, then?
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>>24826179
You have to pay to unlock chapters on it unless they've changed business plans recently
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>>24826153
I'll aim for 40 chapters on release, then 10 paywalled.

Do anons keep a buffer of already written chapters before they release? Like the next 10 chapters are already written, and you just write ch11 before releasing ch1.
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>>24826099
Although many have low opinion of Spectral Soul, I actually like him.
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>>24826203
yes that's called having a backlog
rawdogging chapters is a bad idea
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does well-written smut even exist? or is it an oxymoron?
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every so often people come into these threads like they invented the wheel while cars are zipping past
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>>24826215
If you have to ask then don't bother writing one.
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>>24826220
>>24826224
someone's cranky
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>>24826220
>always the exact same dumb question
>always a complete newfag tourist
>always the exact same spoonfeeding responses
>never posts again, only for the loop to resume from the beginning
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>>24826215
Kushiel's Dart is good but the prose is pretty purple.
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>>24826228
That's right. We should get back to discussing RI.
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My turn to ask a newfag question.
Does joining the discords and getting beta readers and the like actually help build hype/attention?
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>>24826225
I've been on and off reading smut in literotica for almost decades now. OF COURSE there are well written smut stories , the art exists since ancient times
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do you have racism in your webnovel?
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>>24826245
Most royal road novels are discriminatory.
Fang Yuan does not discriminate. He murders men, women, children and the elderly equally. Yet in most rr novels females rarely ever get killed, let alone children
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>>24826258
Because in current year if you have a female character dying/suffering you get hit with the incel bat and it becomes impossible to remove
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>>24826232
you will struggle more trying to find beta readers than getting normal followers, not sure where you got this idea
the discords in general are for networking for shoutouts, that's the sole practical benefit they provide, not whatever you're imagining right now
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So you have to pretend to like other people's shit writing? Or how does the shoutout stuff work? I'm assuming by shoutout it's the author's note at the top of the chapter.
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>>24826297
You don't have to read their stuff at all. I've certainly never bothered.
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>>24826297
i doubt anyone actually reads the shit they shout out. it's just an incestuous botnet where every chapter on every fiction within this hivemind has links to various stories. probably 80%+ of RS stories, if not more, are part of this botnet at any given time

if statistic autist man is here I would actually be really curious in an analysis of the top 50 and what % is spamming shoutouts
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>>24826302
And how do you join this botnet? Do you post until someone notices you, or you apply somehow?
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will (you) ever make it out of the ordinary abyss?
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>>24826306
you just join immersive ink and ask for shout outs. the botnet wouldn't be so pervasive if it wasn't easy to get in
the hard part is getting shoutouts from big names, which are the most effective by far. not sure how you go about that, probably by being a little more involved in the community

i really recommend you just run an ad or two, only debase yourself like this if you're dead broke and have to



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