>>24829870
thought she had a jiggly mangut in the thumbnail

Are there any websites that are good for hosting public domain or creative commons books? I want to release my book digitally for free, probably public domain, but I don't know where to do it

>>24829984
You can post a PDF on catbox.moe, but then you'll have to direct people there. You can serialize it on Reddit, RoyalRoad, ScribbleHub, or AO3, which will get a little more engagement.

>>24829984
Make your own website, while also doing what >>24830023 says. Then you can direct them to your site. Get enough throughclicks, you can advertise and make hosting the website pretty much free

>>24829984
I just host mine on my neocities.

>>24829766
>It's supposed to be a ruined man at the edge of the world clinging to nothing but the survival to endure and survive. It's based on many real life encounters I had with southeast asians and Pacific Islanders who'd find themselves months or years away at work while working Maritime; with some of them having no one home left waiting for them
Yeah, he's an incel, that's what I said. It's not really tragic anymore in the way you think it is when it's the way of life of half of the male population.

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Never goon to chatbots because you're feeling lazy, always write your smut with one hand lest you let the slop infect your brain and you turn into slop

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what do you think of my flash fiction?

>>24830268
You're right, I gotta remember this. chatbots are fucking evil

>>24830790
Read first paragraph and first line, so you like Infinite Jest huh? Smoking weed for the last time once more?

>Some retard zoomer anon says my writing looks ai
>Upload it to three different chat bots
>No this story has hallmarks of AI, but doesn't appear to be significantly AI assisted.
>Yes this story has classic signs of being AI assisted.
>You're story look 15% Ai assisted or generated.
>Same response for other short story I wrote
>Ask the AI to make it not look AI
>EM dashes everywhere.
>Flowery language everywhere.
>Made up lore everywhere
>Adjectives, so many adjectives.
>It's never "He had brown eyes" always shit like "He had dark brown eyes, like the steady earth, there was stability reflected in those deep, earthy wellsprings of vison"

Ok, I was sweating there for a second. Retarded zoomers are just retarded.

>>24829870
Why is first person so popular?
It's bloody annoying to write.

Anyone else write kind of disjointed? I kind of write individual scenes from the book. I keep rewriting and changing them.

I'm changing the whole thing as i write it, i have learned to not be attached to any of the drafts. I keep working out new things to add to them. Thanks for the advice to just write instead of planning the whole thing out.

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>>24830998
There is no single way to write. Do what works for you. Then change if something else seems like it'll work for you.

>>24831009
I want to be a lawful plotter but end up chaos pantser. I just want to write characters and have them do shit. I end up writing pages of slice of life bullshit with the loosest "Oh yeah, we need to do that thing!" tossed at the end.

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Hey guys I'm curious to know what you guys are doing to prepare for National Novel Writing Month. Are you doing the planner, plantser, or pantser method? What are you planning to write about next month? God speed on all of your journeys!

>>24831009
I tried being a neutral pantser and now I have to rewrite everything I uploaded.

>>24831036
Addendum: The humiliation of forcing myself to upload daily regardless of how lucid I was has been remarkably effective for forcing me out of my shell. I strongly recommend it!

90,000 words deep into the 400,000-word epic. WAGMI

>>24830998
It's easier for most people who don't read too much or are new to writing.

>>24830998

i find first person much easier to write, mainly because imbuing voice into the prose is sort of built in. most of what i read is 3rd though so i try to do that and it's definitely weaker than what i write in 1st

>>24831137
>>24831118
I kind of hate it. I'm going for a Dexter vibe but instead of dark and mysterious he's autistic and gay

The final act of the book will be from the police perspective and third person. How much will people hate it?

Oh, can i have a character kill themselves and then have like, 10 blank pages before revealing they didn't do it?

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Trying my hand at writing for the first time, decided to go for isekai slop. I think it's gone a little too autistic on the narration... What do we think?

>>24831174
Read American Psycho. Psycho characters always come off as autistic, that's just how it is but it's a good example of making it work

>>24831187
I literally just started writing a fantasy story where the main girl is named "Fredrika"

>>24830790
it doesn't do a great job as flash fiction, as it lacks substance. and it has issues as a sketch, or whatever, still. pacing issues mainly.

>>24831226
I'm in your walls

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I tried my hand at a fast combat scene. How do you portray combat?

>>24830998
It's the more natural choice, since all you have to do is imagine yourself in the MC's shoes and print out what you're thinking. But this is also its biggest pitfall, because the MC MUST NOT BE OR EVER BECOME "literally me." Which is what they almost always turn to in amateur writing. Maintaining a consistent voice and personality different from yourself at all times takes real skill.

>>24831241
Short, snappy, concise. A physical melee may be over in one paragraph or two. Aerial/space dogfights/mecha fights in 1-3 paragraphs, but a mc navigating through a unfolding battlefield may fight/kill opponents in les than a few sentences, over the duration of the battle+chapters. I haven't done a shootout of any era/fantasy/scifi now that I think about it, at least in my current voice. I like alluding to the characters exhaustion state throughout the chapter, like wiping the sweat from their soaked hair so it doesn't obstruct their eyes. Their movement and their opponent getting sluggish the longer it happens, but if its short enough you don't have to cram it in like a sardines, I try to keep it sprinkled in when they're still active in the hot zone.

>>24831241
I can't make heads or tails of this mess.

em dashes, with or without space before and after?

anyone else emotionally stunted and incapable of writing characters or emotionally driven dialog

>>24831348
What's hard to understand about it? Genuinely asking. It looks simple enough.
>Ambush.
>Character kills with with sight.
>Rapid bits of information.
>Teleporting attackers.
>Character is cocky
>dies
Only issue I see is how choppy it is. Transitions could use work.

>>24831348
What am I doing wrong? My intent is a quick paced combat with a being that has supernatural intuition and eidetic memory.

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Could I please get feedback on my entry for the latest /wibac/?

>>24831416
I'm seeing unnecessary use of puncuation. Along with dependant clauses on there own. It makes it hard to read, and does not flow well.
Multiple sentences crammed with colons and others, that have overly short clauses just makes it hard to read.
It feels like you are trying express the idea fast with puncuation. It does not translate well for the reader.

>More thunder. Smoke, smoke bloomed around her; it hung close to the ground.
Smoke billowed all around as thunder continued to assail her.

>>24831583
I see. I might just make it a lot more clippy. I want to hammer home how she observes the world. I was aiming for it to be hard to read, for a sensory overload feeling. Thanks for actual advice.

>>24831388
>emotionally stunted
yes
>incapable of writing characters or emotionally driven dialog
no

>>24829984
Archive.org

At that stage where I'm almost finished my story but my perfectionist ass has decided everything I've written so far sucks and I should just give up on the whole thing. What do?

>>24831370
Without

>>24830970
Where are you posting your stories that people are accusing you of using AI?

>>24831853
Just have an AI finish it.

>25k words of a rough first draft
>33k words of a second draft
>11k words so far into the third and final draft
Can I say I've written 69k words so far? Even if the final draft will only be about 30k words.

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>>24831858

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Just passed eighty (80) sales after a month and a half on Amazon. We’re back. Naysayers lost

>>24831858
Never

>>24831578
>wibac
Just ask one of the tripfags there for some feedback

Im will never can’t writ.

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>>24831906
None was forthcoming by the supposed judges on any of the entries and it archived which is why I'm asking here.

Should slaying Lord Dreadmoore require a level 5 Rune or a level 8 miracle summons?

Getting AI to write your stories is bad but how about using AI for prompts and ideas and editing?

>>24831980
Level 1 Faerie Beast Capture found only in the beginning of the book that happenstance to be the hero's first Beast Capture/Familiar who is completely useless save this one time where she becomes Lord Dreadmoore's one time use onahole.

>>24831883
Post a link and maybe you'll get another sale

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What do you think of short prefaces like pic rel, right before the prologue, in order to tease the reader about the main conflict/premise?

>>24831991
why don't you ask AI if it's okay to use AI for prompts and ideas and editing?
but maybe you are not sure if that is the right thing to do...
so why don't you ask AI if it is okay to ask AI if it is okay to use AI for prompts, ideas and editing?
Retard

>>24832018
Eh, I'm staunchly against it but I got into an argument with a relative recently who's using AI in the manner I described to write his book. His argument being that he just uses AI to "brainstorm". Even on anti-AI spaces I see people expressing approval over using AI for brainstorming, so I was wondering if I'd overreacted.

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>>24832018
OK

>>24831995
You can have it for free. Post email

>>24831883
Good work. That's twice as many as all of my novels have sold, combined.

>>24832059
Thank you. To be honest, reddit was the best place to shill. Have you tried that?

>>24832086
I mean make's sense. Reddit is also generally better for advice as well.

>>24832089
Nah, ive gotten better advice here. On reddit I just had one atheist (gaythiest) shit out eighteen paragraphs explaining why he thought my story was shit, despite having only read the cover and the back cover. Kill redditors en masse

Was planning to finish my story before posting any of it but at this point I'm on the verge of giving up and maybe I should just start posting what I have already.

Drawback is that if I get little to no reception, I'll probably lose motivation to work on the rest of it.

>>24832086
Yes, I post a lot of short stories there, with a "call to action" (as allowed per sub) in each story. Doesn't seem to do squat for me.

>>24832146
Any art? Add art? Post it in r/worldbuilding

>>24831917
Lmao those fucking threads are so death I'm sure the ineptia faggot only continue to make them because being the organizer/judge make him feel powerful or some shit like that

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I am going to finish a writing goal one day. I love writing, and the only thing stopping me from doing it more is that all I write is crap.

Are there any magazines which still do serialized novels (e.g. Pulp novels)? I've been sketching out some ideas for an adventure serial aimed at kids, but it really seems like that industry (at least in the US) is essentially dead.

>>24832324
Just write kids books.

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>AI says my shit is too bad to be AI
Feels good man.

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where did you stop reading?

>>24832411
>S

>>24831241
You really need to read WNs. I'm not joking, you need to condense the fucking hell out of this wall.

>>24832420
Maybe I should rewrite it then. I was aiming for "unnaturally perceptive fighter" in combat.

>>24832429
100 words.
There's your limit.

>>24832420
Looking to web novels for lessons on brevity? I thought WN readers gobble words up.

>>24832436
It's not that bloated fucking meandering mess, they keep each beat snappy.

>>24832439
What WNs are you reading? Last WN I read had like 5 pages dedicated to fucking trains.

>>24832444
Is this some western shit from RR? I never use that website, it's literally endorsed by Israel.

The Hajime no Ippo method:

Kimura: Ippo's totally going to win.
Aoki: Yeah totally.
Takamura: Actually, it's likely he'll lose.
<Kimura and Aoki turn to Takamura with shocked expression.>
Aoki: What do you mean?!
<Takamura proceeds to explain in painstaking detail. Ippo gets knocked to the ground shortly after.>
Kimura: Oh no, Ippo's done for!
Aoki: There's no way he can get up from that!
Takamura: Actually, Ippo's got the upper hand.
<Kimura and Aoki turn to Takamura with shocked expression.>
Aoki: What do you mean?!
<Takamura proceeds to explain in painstaking detail. Ippo gets up after thinking about his friends.>

>>24832454
>repeat for 60 years
I can't believe Ippo's brain still works.

How to get over my perfectionism? I really need to get this story done

>>24829870
What do you guys use for writing? I tried a bunch of stuff and don't like any of it.
I don't want to use any online tools that use my stuff to train AI or potentially disappear and I lose my work.

>>24832475
notepad.

>>24832475
either libreoffice or vim.

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Serious question. Not trolling.

I recently learned about "copywork" where you retype passages or the whole novel of a famous writer. I want to try it.
The problem is I only read stuff that /lit/ thinks are pedestrian, not that well-written. Like Harry Potter or Agatha Christie.

Anyone can recommend books that are considered perfect? Prose-wise I mean.

>>24832505
/lit/ is for laughs, ask somewhere else.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B9YGJ6WX/

>>24832505
shakespeare

>>24832511
The sample just lists the titles of your stories...
You have 350 of them, can't you give one up for free?

Aiming to write for children (middle grade).
Either a novel with sporadic full-page illustrations, or a graphic novel (like The Bad Guys)

>>24832505
Hemingway

>>24832475
Obsidian with longform plugin (the vault is also a git repo)

Can you think of more ways to show his failing mental state?

>drinking mango monster out of a Thermus coffee mug because he doesn't want people to make fun of him
>as his fake personality breaks down, he eventually starts drinking it out of a normal mug, then out of the can

>starts having panic attacks when his hair touches his face
>shaves his head in autistic panic

>gets so sick of wearing dress shoes with his flat feet he throws them across the office, smashing the TV people were watching sports on instead of working
>turns up in orange reebok casual shoes the next day
>"the orange ones were 30% off, also you're the one wearing lifts so fuck off Jayden"

>starts fantasizing about beating his useless staff to death with the coffee machine

>keeps an excel spreadsheet of every interaction he has had with the coworkers

>becomes less friendly and blunter with criticism


>after three months the team has gone from 6 months behind schedule to 4 months behind schedule
>this was unexpected because he was deliberately set up to fail as a learning exercise, to see how he would handle a worthless team on a failing project

>>24832649
jared leto's joker

I pass my writings through chatgpt, pick and choose what's good or bad from its response, then fit it into my style. And there's nothing you can do about it.

>>24832903
i'm going to strangle you to death

>>24832477
Use notepad++. It's better.

>>24831235
yeah, i probably shouldn't categorize it as flash. if i keep writing i'll probably make a small zine with 30 or so "anecdotes" — basically stylized autofiction.

nonetheless, i see the pacing issue, i think. the moment seems to be when Bill passes out — there's a cut. i want that cut, and the following section to mimic the coke/high dose keta experience in form by fragmenting the text. maybe I could literally have an empty page in between finishing their lines and Bill in The Guy's arms. or, what do you think? do you see a pacing issue elsewhere too? the story is supposed to begin in with stimulant flow, and quietly morph into suppressed panic infused with the reality fragmenting feeling of ketamine.

>>24831388
that's why I only write SCPs

You breathe and you grind. Nothing to be had in this world but labour and rest. If you're breathing, you're up. Liquid assets is what you need in the world made of solid stone. God'll come up to take his cut eventually, until then, it's all good.

I'm gonna write a short story about a cyberstalker going on an adventure to solve the mysterious disappearence of the object of his desire. He'll gaslight the friends/family and her bf to achieve his goals, get a taste of what's it like to be loved/respected, and then throw the facade away to pass the treshold of knowledge.

>>24833218
Could you rate a story idea i have for an SCP? I've never written one before and it's pretty hard to gauge what's the proper formula.

>>24833234
the scp website has a whole setup and process for getting feedback from concept to draft to execution

>>24833262
Ok sorry....

I forgot how to write again and now my chapters are all half-finished.

>give my book to a few friends
>None of them liked it
>Said they didn't like any of the characters
>Didn't understand the plot
Oh...

>>24833645
At least they're honest with you

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>>24832511
Looks interesting, maybe I'll—
>Kindle: $19.00
>Print List Price: $30.00

>>24832519
Looks like if you try the paperback sample it gives you three stories after the waste-of-space 18-page table of contents

>>24833645
>give my book to a few friends
>ah, I've just been so busy
>I'll read it this weekend I promise
>it's good! I only read a few pages but it's great!
could be worse

>>24833683
>>24833645
>get given a friend's book
>take the time to sit down with it
>don't like it
>find the characters uninteresting
>find the plot nonsensical
>tell the friend who gave the book all of my thoughts along with some boilerplate recommendations for improvement
>now have -1 friend
feels bad man

>>24833698
I'd be very thankful, anon

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>>24833682
>18-page table of contents

>>24833703
I'll read yours if you read mine. I'm not kidding. Drop an email address.

>>24832505
You could just, like, read the book with a bit more attention

AI is actually good at giving writing advice. Really helped me fix my flow and transitions. Might be because it has access to everything ever written ever. It is annoying how all the AI I've used wants to write multiple paragraph "examples" segments.

>>24833721
Did you get the AI to write this post?

>>24833724
No, retard, there'd be far more adjectives and em dashes. Do you even AI? Fucking retard.

>>24833728
okay, chat, chill out

>>24833721
AI is great for catching overwritten sentences or sentences that make no sense. I even like it forcing you to reconsider your metaphors and word choices. It's bad writing out paragraphs or generating ideas, but for like editing it's a nice cheap alternative.

>>24833750
Yeah, basically this, writers are perfectly safe from ai, it's editors whose jobs are in peril.

>>24833754
long-form writers

>>24833754
Standards for editing are a little higher than "make complete gibberish into something resembling human communication."

>>24833768
> t. Soon to be unemployed anon.
Whatever you say champ, I bet you think spellcheck was the death of modern writing.

>>24833779
Ask chatgpt to explain my post to you. Reading comprehension is clearly not your thing. I'm personally thankful a machine can wrangle the tards from now on, so we normal humans don't have to.

>have a general idea of what I planned on writing next
>sudden trauma reasserts itself
Any tips on pushing past it to write what I was going to do?

>>24833768
It's a start. It helps writers try to get traditionally published by catching all the nonsense they write. A great editor will then refine it even more.

AI is going to separate the great editors from the shit ones. And it's going to kill the shit writers from the decent ones. That said you can always trick AI with shit writing using "buzzwords" which it loves. Shit like "Blood stained rivers flowed a scarlet death." Is loved by AI. It thinks it's evocative because the LLM is trained on stupid edgy shit found in most fantasy and slop books.

>>24833794
Just keep on denying it, chud. AI editing software is increasingly popular. You can stick your head in the sand and deny progress all you want.

>>24833803
Can you explain why AI loves em dashes so much? I can't even remember the last time I read a book with more than a few. Most recent book I read was "Jonn Carter of Mars " and I don't think it had one.

>>24833796
Cause other trauma as revenge against the world for yours

>>24833829
That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid doing...

>>24833836
Causing others trauma through manipulation and/or physical violence: bad
Causing others trauma through creative writing: good

Who’s next?
Nobody, of course, said it out loud, but that was the question that was on all our minds as we sat around the roaring fire pit finishing what remained of Peter. I never knew that there was a meat that could be as succulent and as addictive as what I had just eaten, but the very thought of tasting more had started to make my mouth salivate in a way I never knew was possible.
We had canned goods that we had managed to scavenge from when we had ventured around the empty cities looking for anything that took our interest to loot, but those were no good, only keeping off the hunger temporarily until what we called the cravings started to flare up again.
The early days were great; there were a lot more people back then who we could fill our stomachs to our hearts' content with without worry, but now we had to be a lot more selective in who was chosen because the numbers had just dwindled far quicker than what we had anticipated.
There were previously five in our party; now reduced to four of us strugglers are united by our one shared common goal: to satiate our ever-constant growing hunger.


What do you want to see in a short story/novella about cannibalism and the apocalypse? Like how violent/hyper violent should I make it just to see if it'll sell.

>>24833840
That's a hack move and that's not what I was planning on doing, I have literally procrastinated years away because I despise that trope and I don't want to do it.

I have no experience but i'll write a novel for november.
It might not be very good, but i've got an idea and i think i can do 50k words in my spare time.
What are the most important things i'd have to keep in mind?

>>24833840
I traumatized enough people with an old web novel, I had to abandon the account and shut down my patreon. Can't recommend doing that.

>>24833809
My theory is the sentences itself. A lot of great books use em-dashes to create amazing sentences. AI gets overtrained with them. The most quotable quotes have em-dashes
>I suppose you've got to make your house into a pigsty in order to have any friends---in the modern world.
>The tenents were all bawling without rhyme or reason ---some finished saying what they could
We take 100 great sentences, 90 of them use emdashes, then AI will use these sentences as their data set, this generate a lot of emdash use. Especially when the emdash is used at the end of a paragraph, which many great books do.


The two sentences I took from were great gatsby and crime and punishment. Both are sentences with em-dashes used at the end of a paragraph.

>>24832505
Any good software to do this? I know about typelit.io. But i’m looking for something local that supports importing ebook from standardebooks/gutenberg. Doesn’t seem to exist. I use arch btw.

>>24833721
I caved and started giving chatgpt and deepai a try because I've resigned never getting human feedback, nobody here will read it since its genre fiction or whatever. Much less any hope of trad or selfpubbing sine it isn't marketable to anyone whatsoever. Chatgpt gave some interesting feedback and critque but it's freemium limits what's possible and it isn't as good when it has to resort to gpt5-mini. Been giving deepai storyteller a try because regular one seemed just bad.

>>24834033
Use grok or gemini.

>>24834040
Thanks, I'll give them a try.

Does anybody speak English here? Is there any difference in these two phrases?

>"(for some reason) as yet unbeknownst to her..."
>"(for some reason) yet unbeknownst to her..."

>>24834097
why use more word when few do trick

>>24834033
where is your excerpt

>>24834033
My problem with AI feedback, is it will gas you up. The advice they offer is good most of the time, but goddamn will AI tell you you're the second coming of Hemingway. Gork is the best AI right now, for free use. Just swap between gork 4 beta and fast when you reach your limit.

>>24834033
Did you already use the 30 day free trial chatgpt hands out?

>>24834097
>>24834097
The first is incorrect. It should be "as of yet..." which would mean "not yet known to her," as in she will eventually know this.

"...yet unbeknownst..." would mean "but she didnt know this." It doesnt imply that she will eventually know. It only states that she currently doesnt know.

Dont write old fashioned shit like this if you dont know it.

>>24834342
>The first is incorrect. It should be "as of yet..."
I really want to believe you on this, but search engine results don't show results for that phrase, but a lot of results for "as yet unbeknownst."

I do agree with you on the second point.

>>24834342
asking is how we learn

>write one sentence
>lose interest
another productive day
can't wait to see what sentence tomorrow brings

>>24833809
Because they're so versatile.

>>24834358
yea, he was getting it mixed up with "as of _" (yesterday).
"as yet" is the correct phrasing, but "as yet unbeknownst" is barely english, and it is not used.

So far, I've read three chapters of my book out loud for editing purposes. This is exhausting.

>>24833852
filtered

>>24833893
The issue is that you need to appeal to those who enjoy traumatic material. Obviously, traumatizing manchildren who read webnovels is a recipe for disaster.

>>24834407
>just be a pseud bro
Kill yourself.

>>24834433
Most pseuds decry traumatizing material as infantile. Nice try with the insult tho midwit

>>24834452
lmao peak midwit projection

>>24834453
>n-no u
You're a writer and this is your creativity level. lol

>>24834259
Sorry, can't expect to go through the pains of cursory editing the whole thing (40k words at the moment), when nobody will bother reading it; it's genre fiction and you guys won't even touch the rentry link let alone read past the first sentence before closing it, nobody even in /wng/ will read it.

>>24834297
This is true for deepai and chatgpt. I posted my impressions of it over on /wng/ with gemini and it is was absolutely, utterly brutal with its analysis. It straight up tore my asshole into the next dimension even when I didn't specifically ask for it to be such a bully. I'm grateful I got some feedback on where I need to address things, however. I was surprised Pro freemium ended at only 4 of the 14 chapters I had (Chatgpt's was at 10). I'll try grok, because Gemini fast was still a bully but it started to show its hallunications at the ch14 mark when I had to split it into two and it's obvious it can't handle big chapters past its word limit.

>>24834466
huh?

>>24834466
Yeah most free models will start to hallucinate. Whenever I'm working with the AI I usually just do chunk by chunk around 2,000 words each. I'm sure there are better dedicated AI for this kind of thing, but I'm not going to pay for that. I usually just ask whatever AI I'm using
>go over this text and highlight any grammerical errors, punctuation, and spelling errors. Then analyze the sentence structure and point out areas where it can be improved.

hi i abandoned /wg/ forever ago as soon as /wng/ became a thing
just curious, has anyone gotten published or anything else vaguely respectable yet, here? i know this might seem like a bait post but I'm genuinely just wondering. you would think eventually someone would, if only by sheer numbers

>>24834519
So far just short stuff published by indie presses with open submissions, but I only recently started shopping around my debut novel.

>>24834519
F. Gardner, and that other guy whose name I forgot(sorry) with the sexy cyberpunk girl are the only two I know of who actually "made it" between two gens if discounting tradpub.

Today was one of my most productive days in a while as I wrote 1.2k words and nearing the end of Chapter 11, and thus near the completion of Act 1.

Writing is so much fun/faster when it's dialogue instead of having to describe locales and rooms.

>>24834652
you consider F gardner as having made it?
yeesh even when i left /wg/ things weren't that bleak

>>24834460
>>n-no u
lmao coming from the guy who posted >>24834407

Who’s next?
Nobody, of course, said it out loud, but that was the question that was plaguing all our minds as we sat around the roaring fire pit finishing off what remained of Peter. I never knew that there was a meat that could be as succulent and as addictive as what I had just eaten, but the very thought of tasting more had started to make my mouth salivate in a way I never knew was possible.
Selection was a very special occasion; only when we felt like we absolutely had to resort to it we do it. The method of selection was pretty simple one: an old and worn small box was passed around all of us, and inside of it were little slips of papers with circles printed on them, many white ones but only one black one. Whoever drew the black circle was selected to be consumed by the others.
Many accepted their fate as dictated by the black circle after it had been drawn; while others tried to put up more of resistance delaying the inevitable declaring that the system used for selection was completely unfair.

Ignore my other post but am I a hack for having a reference to Jackson's The Lottery used in my opening

>>24834730
pretty clunky writing at a sentence level

>>24834714
>>24834652
I wonder who improved the most or has the most potential to make it. Nobody ever posts their work here anymore

>>24834736
People here are mostly assholes.

>>24834736
I stopped posting mine because nobody wanted to read it. I still won't post it because it's a first draft and I don't want to waste so much effort on cursory proofreading it just yet(because nobody here wants to click a rentry link for a genre fiction web novel(neither does wng for that matter) Merely Ouroboros situation, wasted effort on mine and others part.

>>24834714
He's pretty damn famous now. I remember seeing him on Ethan Ralph's podcast. Gardner’s pretty well connected in the alt-right world and goes on their podcasts. I'm following him on X and he gets on a lot of big name platforms and posts them. F Gardner's not going on CNN and Fox News but he's got the alt-right crowd pretty locked in. He expanded outside of 4chan and that seems to make other guys here envious for some bizarre reason.

>>24834790
Yeah, I don't give a shit how he's podcasting with alt-righters. When I'm on the literature board in the writing thread talking about 'making it', I'm talking about success in fucking writing.
And F gardner did not make it in the slightest when it comes to his books. 90% of his sales are ironic purchases, or rubes tricked by the meme reviews, and even if they weren't, even if we assume all of his sales are genuine, he underperforms even the most mediocre midlister
He's breached total obscurity but still isn't 1% of the way to 'making it'

>>24834800
F Gardner never cared about writing good books. This was always his plan and you're a fool for not seeing it

if you're not writing a series, what's the point? agents and publishing houses want the next harry potter, not your fucking diary or chuuni garbage

What if I just enjoy writing and tossing it into the void? Huh? What thing?

>finally lock in for a semi-decent chapter
>it's the last one after a string of barely-coherent slop
oh god I'm gonna kms myself

I'm so against building my brand that when an easy opportunity lays itself out for me I prefer to use a new alias.

>>24835144
My novel teases a sequel that I currently have 0 ideas for

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Opinions on pic? Plotting your story events based on the 5 commandments of storytelling makes sense to me. But they lose me at the genre conventions and their required scenes.

>>24835331
>commandments of storytelling
1. make it worth reading
2-5. see commandment 1

>>24835334
ohhhhhhh. I get it now!

>>24835340
You're definitely not gonna "get it" reading books on how to write anon

>>24835401
So this gen is anti craft books now? Why link them in the resources sticky then? Or did you just feel like being a sassy contrarian today?

>>24835408
>now
You're new here. I've been raging against formulaic writing alongside others for a long time

How do I start writing? I've thought a lot about the story, I've planned the story, but I can't get myself to write it. At all. Not even the first word. How do I start?

>>24829870
The day had gone by just as days go by. I had killed it in accordance with my empty and repetitive way of life. I had made love to Megan in the morning and read a few pages of Dante. I had sunbathed on the beach with all the other tourists. I had gotten a headache and ordered a few drinks to soothe it. I had taken Megan for shrimp cocktails at a beachside bar. Three times the phone had rang in the hotel room, probably with calls from work, which I ignored. I had done by breathing exercises, but today I didn’t feel like doing my thought exercises. I had swam laps in the pool for an hour, and got out feeling exhilarated and refreshed. It really felt great. So did making love to Megan, and reading Dante. But all in all it hadn’t exactly been a day of rapture. No, it hadn’t even been a day brightened by happiness or joy. Really it had just been one of those days which for a long while now have made up my life. The moderately pleasant, the wholly bearable and tolerable, lukewarm days of an unhappy middle-aged man. Days without much pain, without many cares, without real worry, without despair. Days in which the question of whether it might have been time to follow the example of Edna from ‘The Awakening’ and go for a swim in the ocean without swimming back could be considered without agitation or anxiety, quietly and matter-of-factly.

>>24834031
There are a few on github. typabook, retype, copytype, etc. They all suck. Importing ebooks to typing tutor softwares like Tipp10 is also troublesome.
Just open an ebook reader and text editor side by side.

Captcha: DAYRX

>>24835436
Write a diary. Write what happened to you. Write what you see/saw. You need to get used to writing regularly.

>>24835436
The same way you wrote this post, retard

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>>24835436

Another one of my babies I mean novel pitches sent off to the butchers I mean publishers

>>24835408
>Why link them in the resources sticky then?
Because /wg/ is not one person and there are lots of helpless morons like you, who can't live without Moses and commandments

>>24835506
>helpless morons like you
Was proactive and read an entire book on the subject but I'm helpless because I asked an innocent question in a thread. Fuck off you miserable cunt.

>>24835552
>Was proactive
So how much have you actually written so far?

Not sure why you bother arguing on /lit/. It’s just a bunch of pajeets and SEAniggers, like the rest of 4chan. You shouldn’t let them affect you in any way.

I'm a golem who will never create anything of worth.
I got so buckbroken by a thread of people sharing their favourite works. I dont even have good ideas anymore.
I'm genuinely so blackpilled right now. I'm a soulless subhuman mutt.

>>24835644
i can teach you

>>24835699
How?

>>24835707
i'm a wise old sage. what have you tried so far?

>>24835626
>Not sure why you bother arguing on /lit/
Masochism

>>24835709
Writing shortform and also i tried and failed to get into illustration on a few different occasions. I usually put in 5-10 hours of work, get dissatisfied and go back to east access dopamine. I wanted to be creatively skilled for half a decade now and the most i've got is a 6k words spooky plebbit story with 5 upvotes.

>>24835729
take time away from distraction. think meditation, non-spiritual. no screens, no nothing. ~10 min wind down. ~20-50 min brainstorming.

i'd give writing specific advice but it's my nap time. well... a quick one: consider longform writing. shortform is not beneficial to everyone. i think (ie my opinion) is that it's better for geeks who are already writing and having fun with it. you may want to study structure, formula, etc. save the cat type shit, as a starting point.

drawing is soulless

This thread is just 1 bitter asshole, 2 elitist assholes, an AI enthusiast. I'd say it was a containment thread for the garbage, but this board is so painfully slow it leads me to believe everyone here is genuine.

>>24835745
huh?

>>24830790
tedious. jerk yourself off in private next time

>>24831241
could not make it more than a few sentences because this isn't prose. this is like phrases strung together and it fucking blows to actually read

i'm sure it's fun to write your little self-wank this way, a lot like shitposting. just conjure up little turns of phrase and stack them like beads on a string but it FUCKING BLOWS TO READ

this is the best way you could imagine and describe magic? this sucks. i don't want to read more, and i am generally permissive towards fantasy juvenalia

>>24831578
i don't read furry bullshit, you should be ashamed. write something worth reading

>>24832016
your example only works because the film in question is beloved for reasons unrelated to this establishing text. if blade runner had shit cinematography and poor performances from the leads it would not mean anything at all

it's just bland words, that can AT BEST establish a mood or direct the reader towards a frame of mind with which to engage. however it's like a short puff of air, there's no sustained force behind it. if the tone of the snippet doesn't match your prose, or the morsel cannot be savored by itself, it's just a waste of the reader's time for little benefit

however that being said a lot of people just skip them, intentionally or unintentionally, so i don't think you're gambling with anything valuable. many people don't even really UNDERSTAND the excerpts (especially stuff that has contextual linkage to story beats or whatever) until they re-read the text, and that's fucking bold to assume that your work merits

>>24832411
>again

no context for when she knelt last time

>fire scraped
communicates nothing. have you ever seen a grassfire? i doubt it

i scanned ahead and see you're setting up a rape scene so i already made a good call stopping at the first fucking sentence. no thank you

>>24832016
Retard doesn’t know about epigraphs

>those are quotes, I’m talking about a prologue
If you can’t tell the fucking story from the first real page, you’re retarded. Even “once upon a time, so and so happened…” can accomplish that.

>>24836220
This is a perfect example. Post like this are not helpful or insightful, just bitter and mad. AI would offer more constructive advice. I am convinced anyone who post here is just having a good time shitposting.

>>24832649
so quirky, so edgy, so boring

oh man, HE DRINKS FROM A DIFFERENT CUP? awwwwwwwatasdasd

he doesn't like traditional office attire (that hasn't been relevant since before the pandemic)? HOLY SHIT DUDE

he fantasizes about reacting with violence to workplace frustration and drama? AND he's vindictive????? DUDE IS HE PATRICK BATEMEAN?????? FUCK SHIT PISS


this sucks dude. if you even notice what your coworkers eat, drink, wear your mental state is fine. everyone is the center of their own little universe and nobody is eagle-eye watching for small signs like that, it's not even interesting for him to experience, it's just... boring

>>24836242
i don't work for you and i'm not here to entertain you. you posted something and i told you it sucks. lots of stuff sucks and people still use kindle credits on it, but for me- that fucking blows and i don't want to read it

>>24835902
The corresponding threads on other, nicher hobbies' boards are significantly more active.

>>24836243
Meds please.

You’re sperging out over a pretty normal story concept, something a Gen Z George Saunders might write. Not really original, but whether it’s good entirely depends on how that poster writes it. Really strange and overwrought reaction, plus your examples (Patrick Bateman) and erratic language/punctuation reveals you’re not only unstable, but also illiterate.

You shouldn’t be giving advice here. Run along to /tv/

>>24836247
Now your paranoia shows. I'm not that poster. Just pointing out how you are the bottom rung of posters. Someone's who self hatred and bitterness can't help but leak from your shithole of a mouth. Most people see garbage and put it in the trash or ignore it, but you insist on inspecting the trash then proudly proclaiming "this is garbage!". You're below soulless AI. Don't respond to me or my wife's post ever again.

>>24836260
so go post there then, you preening loser!

you're not entitled to fucking posts! post good shit, you can't STOP people from genuinely engaging with it, because they can't help themselves. writing and prose is funny that way.

you're also not entitled to praise. if you're posting creative writing 101 sludge here thinking you will receive praise, man i got bad news for you

>>24835626
I roll the dice in the hopes that my next (You) will be from a White man.

>>24836264
lol ok champ

>>24836263
i strongly disagree, which is why i posted what i did. it's not interesting. consumerism as mental illness is bland and boring. literally nothing about this suggests a degenerating mental state, it suggests a college dropout that hasn't worked an office job

all of you are so fucking thin-skinned it is unreal. you need to up your game. even this miserable shit can be polished, improved, and refactored to better serve the text. but you asked for crit and if you don't like it you can kiss my ass

Expecting constructive criticism on 4chan is foolish. You'd need real forums with accountability for that. Reddit or one of the six billion writing forums.

The irony or someone calling people thin-skinned then turning around and defending his post. If you're going to be a retard asshole, then own it. Just keep shitting on everything. No justification necessary.

>>24836281
>all of you are so fucking thin-skinned it is unreal
Right, you are exuding such steely composure by writing something like this: >>24836243

You’re just a socially maligned ghoul that can’t even articulate something as simple as “I disagree” without devolving into chimp histrionics. Stop aping as a critic, you can’t even wield language effectively enough to get a simple point across without coming across as profoundly dysgenic.

>>24836291
>give me feedback
>no not like that
fuck you dude, i respond with what i choose based on what your work merits. if you want better feedback, write better.

>>24836291
It is humorous how he apparently sees himself as a monolithic sage, but his posting style screams autistic child. It's like a COD kiddie but for writing. It does make his post easy to ignore. I'm thankful for that. If only all shitposters had such dedication.

>>24836300
Why could anyone want advice from you, when you’re incapable of separating your high-strung emotions from your critiques? Even now you’re overcorrecting with these laconic responses, it’s like you don’t know how to write like a normal person. You’re a child mumbling softly after being slapped across the face for screaming like a tard.

Funniest shit ever

>>24836300
Lol. Poor baby. I'm sorry you're feelings were hurt. Go ahead. "Criticize" everyone, no one measures up to you.

>>24836307
your shit prolix. die mad about it

>>24836312
Why are you so thin-skinned? It's just bantz bro. Calm down. Look, there plenty of post in the thread that need your critical analysis. Get to work.

>>24836224
>is that a nonhuman protag? aaahhh I'm going insane!
Anon everyone knows the cold shoulder is worse than any critique

>>24836309
is it funny? too busy laughing, that why you can't engage with the points i made? i'm such a tard, please reply 4 more times about how bad it is to be told your work is boring/bland, definitely don't pick specific sentence to workshop you hothouse flower. you will not survive

i came here to read what was on offer, and i'm done now. even this reply shit is boring because you all took exactly 15 minutes to write "the perfect troll rebuttal" like i am emotionally engaged with this. i strolled in because i like to see what people have, fired off 5 or so quick posts after actually reading your work (automatically making me one of your only readers, i'm sure)

don't like it, ignore me, i'm done for today. nobody is entitled to good posts, and that counts double for me

>>24836322
Pretty good, what AI did you use?

>>24836322
You haven’t made any points except “you guys all suck! I’m going home!”

Like a child, again. Seeing a pattern here. Must be exhausting to see something you dislike and having no other way to respond other than sperging out for everyone’s entertainment.

Thats what you are, by the way. Entertainment. Because your attempts to tear people down are just turning yourself into a freak show, cyclically screeching in slabs of text then seething in short clipped replies.

It is funny because you genuinely believe you are helping, but can’t seem to fathom why no one seems to take you seriously. Lmao

>>24836332
He probably realized it's not just one person shitting on him, which shattered his world view. How could someone other than his intended target think he's wrong and call him out "Am I the baddie? No they're the problems.". Classic incel behavior. Thankfully he can't hide, he'll always have to respond the way he does. Which will make him an easy lolcow.

>>24832016
Seems cool. Too much of writing is wrapped up in codex, experimentation is frowned upon unless you're some fancy pants city slicker author. I had a mute character in a story and inserted ALS, actual hand signs, into a few pages. I am always in favor of experimentation and rule of cool. Do whatever the fuck you want as long as one single person gets it, that should be all that matters. Unless you're trying to make money, then you better conform.

can I get some feedback on my progress today

>His boots

>>24836397
2/6 already been done
>For sale: baby shoes, never worn

>>24836387
>experimentation is frowned upon
People like experimentation when it’s done well. Not when it’s being done by retards who couldn’t write one decent short story if they tried.

Example: if I handed you a small unique machine, and you started breaking it apart like a retard, nothing much would come of it. In the off chance something cool did happen, you wouldn’t be able to explain why it did: you were just smashing shit together.

But if I handed you a small machine that you understood quite well, and could explain how certain parts worked and what would happen if you messed with them, then you could experiment and make changes. Even if it looked like you were smashing shit randomly to laymen, you are experimenting with intention. You have a goal and you intimately understand the thing you’re working with.

Writing is similar; you shouldn’t experiment until you’re confident with language, narrative conventions, plotting, all of it: and even then, some people might accuse you of randomly smashing shit around anyway. It’s hard to do well and most people suck ass at it

>>24836432
Does any of that shit truly matter? At all? The entire industry is littered with novels, short stories, light novels, and everything in between written by barely literate individuals. Many of which have garnered extreme popularity and started franchises. The only thing that actually matters is if you connect with your readers and people enjoy your content. To say otherwise it's just elitism and blatant denial of reality. You speak like you take no joy from writing.

>>24836439
>the industry
So your goal isn’t to “connect with readers” (which is already hard to do if you’re experimenting with a “barely literate” grasp of language), you’re just fishing for views like every other e-commerce tard.

Why is the genrefaggots knee-jerk response to “you should improve your writing before writing a story” is to cry about elitism?

And the funniest thing is that the most popular and successful slop you read are from authors who DO in fact have a strong command of language, but you never notice, since you apply an uncritical consoomer mindset toward everything.

Such a sad way of living

Anyone else like just world building? I once spent a week making an entire country. Fleshing out it's legal system, history, culture, cuisine, famous spots. Just everything. I don't know why I do it. I don't intent to ever use the setting. It's just in a folder on desktop forever.

>>24836472
You again. I thought to said you were leaving. Your ego couldn't stand it huh? You cleaned up your potty mouth, but it's clear who you are.

>>24836483
>everyone who suggests I improve my writing is the same person
Take meds.

>>24836472
I think you have me confused with someone. Or you're schizophrenic.

>>24836472
So you're just going to ignore the history of writers who had no formal education at all?

>>24836498
When does “barely literate” mean “self-taught?” And why do you think people who are self-taught somehow precluded from improving their writing?

>>24836504
better illiterate that aphantasia

>>24836504
Like I said, there are plenty of writers who had no education. They just wrote. To say that you must do things by the book, you must follow the footsteps of all the other writers who did so, it's just wrong. You can just write, just write, somewhere out there someone will feel your passion. Don't be afraid to experiment, Don't be afraid that your shit doesn't fit in the mold, just do you. It looks like we just have a fundamental difference. You cling to the standards as holy scripture. I say fuck the standards do what you want.

>>24836435
>you have to learn the rules to break them
imo breaking the rules helps you learn them
>parable of the pottery class

>>24836507
The whole point of improving your writing is to better articulate that interior world in your head. To do anything else is a disservice.
>>24836516
You can’t fuck the standards without knowing what the standards are. Then you’re just sticking your dick in random objects and hoping for the best.

>>24836552
I can't reiterate this enough, there are plenty of writers who literally did not know the standards and went on to become some of the most beloved writers ever. Fuck the standards, just write.

>>24836555
You’re a broken record and not once have you mentioned authors you think are notable. Not that it matters: I guarantee all of them worked to improve their writing to the levels they were comfortable with. Nothing to do with “formal education,” you inherently absorb writing conventions by reading widely and practicing writing. Is that something foreign to you?

Do you think it is elitism to learn basic sentence structure and grammar conventions? Lmao

>>24836601
Philip K. Dick
And Agatha Christie are the two I can recall of the top of my head. If you cared about education as much as your professed, you'd just look it up yourself. Take a look at yourself in the mirror, you are advocating against the concept of "just write" you're literally acting like an elitist slob. Of course you'll improve as you write, just like riding a bike you improve as you do. Just write o need to compare piss off to others, no need to worry about violating some unknown standard, no need to shove yourself into the mold with everybody else. Just do it.

>>24836617
> you are advocating against the concept of "just write"
Show me a single instance of me ever saying that, or even implying that. And both of those authors worked to bring their language to the quality they reached, are you retarded? Do you think Christie wrote that shit from the womb, no practice at all? The only “barely literate” person I see is you here.

>>24836617
Stop bothering. He doesn't care.

>>24836627
And how do you think they worked? That's right, they just wrote and wrote and worte. Now having lost the argument you resort to silly shit like "haha they learned in the womb you think". I named two authors who had no writing education and literally just wrote their way to fame. Accept your loser status and move on

So to summarize what's going on right now.
>Should I do this thing?
>No, don't do the thing, you are a faggot.
>Yes, do the thing, it might be cool.
>No, you can only do thing when you meet some arbitrary criteria.
>That's stupid and wrong.
Correct?

>>24836636
>I named two authors who had no writing education
When did I say you needed a “writing education”, at all? You entirely assumed that was what I meant by saying you should practice writing within conventions. But how do you think people self-teach themselves?

And they didn’t “just write,” they read other books and practiced writing until the conventions were second nature to them, before they started to break them.

Your idea that people just start writing well without having read anything or learning anything about writing is hilarious.

>>24836653
>thinks improving your writing is an arbitrary criteria for writing something
Retard

>>24835466
But I already wrote regularly - I post in places like this and other forums every day.
>>24835500
But this post is ephemeral. There are no consequences of getting it wrong, there are in a story.
>>24835502
Maybe this is a good idea. Is that why fairy tales start with "once upon a time"?

Can you guys cut it out already? It's time to move on to some crit. Post the latest excerpt from Victoria.

>>24836656
Retard anon, they literally just started writing. Agatha Christie starting writing because a stupid bet. Stephen King started writing at 7 and just sent story after story until he finally got one published. The idea that you need a formal education to write is flawed, it just helps. The idea you must adhere to common writing conventions is flawed, as many popular authors didn't even know they existed, yet found success. Your lack of knowledge is showing.

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>>24836675
>The idea that you need a formal education to write is flawed
Again, the only person mentioning a formal education is you. I never mentioned a formal education. What the fuck are you talking about?

And King wrote an entire shitty book about his process as a writer, and guess what? He read other books and learning writing conventions from them.

You’re an abysmally stupid person.

>>24836688
You just don't understand, it's ok. I know it is difficult to come to terms with losing an argument. Go talk to an AI. It'll tell you your a big boy. One last time. You don't need to follow conventions and rules. Just write. I'm done with you.

It's funny, because he is technically correct. Just writing is better than not writing at all. He's just not good at getting the point across.

>>24836692
>utterly mind-broken from the insinuation you should practice writing before you write

I accept your concession.

>>24836698
How do you practice writing without writing? I think you just got mentally raped and you're having a difficult time coming to terms of reality. You should probably step back from your computer friend. And before you accuse me of being that guy I'm actually this guy
>>24836696
But in your broken mental state you'll probably accuse me of being every guy. It's fine

Is the writing general always a full thread of people bitching at each other or did I come check you guys out on a bad day?

>>24836705
It's just one poster who just can't help himself. He criticizes literally everything usually in the manner of a 12-year-old. You can spot him in every thread. He's usually the first person to be overly critical and offer zero advice.

>>24836701
>I’m going to ignore that you suggested at the start of this reply chain to write conventional short stories instead of experimenting right away
You really are schizophrenic. And before you inevitable reply with “I’m NTA,” you’re equally retarded as him.

>>24836705
It’s a stressful hobby.

>>24836731
Is it? I mean you can just stop writing. I can understand hitting a block, or not seeing yourself improve being stressful. But unless it's your job, just take a break relax read a book. Shitpost. I do see why people posting their writing here is so rare now though. There's not much constructive criticism to be had. I myself using reddit more and more these days. I've only been on /lit/ for a 2 months and some change, has it always been this bad?

>>24836745
People see the more popular, low barrier-to-entry hobbies as a ticket to wealth, fame, and affection.

>>24836759
Literally nobody sees writing novels as a get rich and famous quick scheme.

>>24836784
Yeah, I didn't want to start shit. What kind of person sees people writing as a hobby and thinks "look at this fucker, trying to get famous and rich". What a strange take. If you want to get rich writing, you can just farm AI slop like all the other people are.

Unironic question but how do you get an idea. Are you supposed to pluck them from the ether or copy shit?

I'm trying to figure out a cool hook right now but i'm getting nothing.

>>24836801
>Are you supposed to pluck them from the ether
Yes, but generally big picture ideas come from other stuff you enjoyed reading. "X but with Y change" kinda stuff. That's why reading is so important—expands your creative toolkit, so to say

>>24836784
kinda included in the "fame" category, but a lot of people on /lit/ want to sound smart

>>24836801
I just get high and fuck whores until one of them manages to say some interesting shit. Yes, it's pretty expensive.

>>24836805
I have the big picture idea but it's the details i'm getting hung up on.
I'm writing a story about a weirdo stalker going on an impromptu investigation after the victim of his affection dissapears mysteriously. I'm just going to be vague and shit out some text and then think on it. Maybe once i develop things the tiniest bit it'd be easier to "fit" ideas within the blanks.

>>24836806
Writing to seem cultured or smart is not the same thing as writing to get rich and famous. Literally no one is delusional enough to think writing a novel is a good way to stardom.

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>>24836815
Some people don't care how they get famous, but that's not everyone.

>>24836822
Did you tell them you're trans? I do that and it greatly improved my acceptance rate. I'm talking doubled it.

>>24836826
I'm just a male on female gender hormones.
You can't change genders, but there is no shame in making your body inline with your inner desires.
Everyone i tell this to gets mad at me be they leftie or on the right though so i don't think it'd help much.

>>24836836
No shame in that desu. Whatever makes you happy is what matters.

>>24836845
I mean some people drink themselves to death in search for happiness.
As soon as you leave normiecattle programming there's literally not a thing wrong with that. I assume all the people talking about trans kids and other retarded points are bad actors or copting pedos.

have you recognized our (the information age) internal clinical gaze? have you overcome it and can you write ignorant/romantic ideas despite this, or have you just taken to irony?

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>>24836905

It's been so long since i watched porn or saw a woman nude that i genuinely didn't even get it until this post.

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>>24836850
>in search for happiness.
>found in a smiling gardevoir

>>24836898
I have. The Chudwojak meme and it's deconstructions are the perfect representative of the average information era male to me.

Give it back I need those
Say no more
Well adios