"La petite mort" editionPrevious: >>24866366/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk Thread theme: https://youtu.be/ho9rZjlsyYY?si=WyTUEhZZAUy_pYl0
looking for feedback on my short (sorry for repost I didn't realise we were page 10)>>24881652thanks :)
>give my victoria book to a girl who wanted to read it>gave her a month>she said it was boring and didn't like any of the characters>she didn't understand the setting and why i used both norse myths and christianity>dropped it after the appearance of the Archangel MichaelIt's over. this book is a failure.
>>24881697Publish it just to piss people off.
>>24881697Why do I feel like there are at least three different anons with a "Victoria book?"
>>24881715there's like 5
>>24881717A Victoria in a regency romanceA Victoria in an black and jeet erotica A Victoria in a litrpgA Victoria in a contemporary fiction A Victoria in a sci-fi space opera
>>24881722>A Victoria in a litrpgwhich
>>24881697We addressed all of those issues and you never listened to any of our feedback.
>>24881680I like it. the imagery is concrete and not abstract. you are showing the action and drama instead of telling. the only thing I didn't like was that the formal, almost 19th century narrative voice clashed with the sci-fi setting, but that's my own preference; and it could be an interesting contrast if that's what you were purposefully going for.
>>24881680you have good material to work with, but your sentences are too short. put them together (at least some of them). also too much old-fashioned kind of diction.
>>24881838>>24881918Thanks! I hadn’t considered these things and will take them into account in future efforts. I wonder if I can escape this narrative voice or am too easily influenced by what I’m currently reading
people actually use AI writing in here?
>>24882227As frustration grows, so does the urge to cheat. There is much frustration here, anon.
>>24882227I'd use it if it produced anything worthwhile. I just want to read good stories, not necessarily write them myself, but the LLMs can't reach my standards, at least not yet, if ever
what do you feel about this
>>24882396it's alright, but i just did not find it that interesting. if language is a tool, i would like to see it applied to other raw material, if that makes sense
>>24881796Nope, I took each and every suggestion seriously and made changes except >This is gay>Not for me>SheEtc
>>24882278Using LLMs you only cheat yourself
>>24882396Neat
>>24882396Pretty good. Unread the entire thing and want to read more
Are you doing an independent NaNoWriMo this month? I got started a week late, but I've been keeping on track with at least 1000 words a day. At this rate I won't be done until deep into December, but I'm at least making consistent progress.
Pick one:>say something using one word >say the same thing using more than one word but fewer characterse.g., "everything" vs. "it all"
>>24882288LLMs are good for bouncing your own ideas around with. It's nice to be able to skip the writing club where you have to be bothered with taking someone else's half-cocked horseshit seriously if you want your own horseshit considered. They can't actually come up with anything worthwhile on their own.
>>24882396How does the washing agent overflow with foam if there's no water? A washing machine fills its water reserve automatically before it runs, and gives an error if it can't, for whatever reason.
>>24882720You'd find more enrichment bouncing your ideas off a literal wall
>>24882732Yes, that is pretty much what I use LLMs for when writing. I just want an interactive wall I can bounce a ball off of that has a passing familiarity with my project.
Beware. He who speaks in quotations
>>24882740I personally find it only frustrating when it keeps dropping the ball and prints nothing but the blandest, least creative takes on whatever the input.
>>24882749The context window is for sure a problem that you have to learn to work around. Looking for "creative takes" from what is essentially an amalgamation of all the normies in the world is misusing the technology, though. For goodness' sake, don't ask it for prose or ideas - the only real utility of it is evaluation of your own thoughts.
>>24882772>the only real utility of it is evaluation of your own thoughts.The last thing I'll ever do is ask a toaster to evaluate my thoughts. I couldn't imagine a greater humiliation, as a creative human being. The only thing I'd have use for is checking how it would handle different premises and patterns, before I bother to try write them myself, which it's supposed to excel at, but it never comes up with anything remotely useful.
>>24882740I meant you should stare at a literal wall and contemplate your work. Doing so will grant you better insights than messing around with an LLM. Not to mention you won't end up lowering your literary standards by polluting your brain with drivel.
>>24882740I like LLMs doing line by line grammar checks. It does catch a lot of comma errors
>>24882783>>24882844Bet you guys would've decried the typewriter, too. It's just a tool.
>>24882935You're the tool if you let LLMs influence your writing
>>24882718Word count for prose writing is more commonplace than character count, so "everything" is better.
>>24883075Enjoy your authentic quill-and-ink experience. Don't forget to let the parchment dry properly before you roll it up and strap it to a carrier pigeon.
>>24882844>lowering your literary standardsAnon, I don't know how to tell you this tactfully, so I'll just come out and say it. You're posting about writing on a Mongolian basket weaving forum - you have no literary standards.
>>24883142False equivalence. LLM generations vs. actual writing is more like using your hand vs. fucking your loving GF. One makes you worse at the other.>>24883146You're a shitposter projecting your troubled mentality.
Borges: On Writing is goated
>>24883208Is this a Robert McKee-tier formulaic writing instructional or does it have actual insights?
>>24882718Depends on the context. For example:>the madness of everything>the madness of it allBoth phrases mean the same thing but feel different. Go with what feels best in the sentence/paragraph.
Reposting hoping for feedback on my short story.
>Novel is set to be around 300,000 to 400,000 words>Average cost for an editor is about 0.03>$9000/$12,000 for an edit LOW ENDYeeeeeeeeeeeaaaah, I'm using ChatGPT, thanks
Rate, don't hate.
>>248837663/10
>>248836951/10
Some earnest prose.
>>24883155>pretends he has had sexlol. lmao even
>>24884150No one wants to hear about a bitter incel NEET shutin whiner. Not even other people in your situation.
>>24882710been going much better than I had hoped. this endeavor is mainly to kick my editor in the pants and tell them to get a real job. I've been trying to high wordcount only to obliterate perfectionism and write so quickly that my editor doesn't get the chance to speak
>>24884198>my editor>them
>>24883766I don't like to rate things. I didn't hate this. It starts off dramatically charged, but loses its steam for me on the second page. You're also grossly abusing the enter key. Not bad, but not quite good yet either.
>>24883695>tripfagskipped
>>24883713>Novel is set to be around 300,000 to 400,000 wordsI may have found the issue
>>24884236internal editor as in the voice in my brain that edits constantly
>>24884265I think you're lying. You would've said that in order to be clear, or at least used "it" instead of "them." I think you're in league with a gender nonconformist. You may even be one yourself.
what the fuck happened to you guys? I thought the pseud behavior would make this place immune to AI faggotry. I return after a few years and all of you have become clanker loving losers!
>>24883695Oh its you again No one answered you last time, right?
>>24883766>time-travelingStopped reading right there
>>24884269if I ever hire an editor, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to a theythem. They read constantly. fanfic snorters catch errant commas like a frog catches flies, with matching face shape to boot
>>24884274It's awful. Not that long ago I was praising an anon for dumping a book on KDP and sharing it with us. Before digging into it, on a whim, I passed it through gptzero.me and it turns out the whole 100% entirety of the book was LLM-generated text. I called him out for it and the bastard lied.I might have the slightest shred of respect for these LLMfags if they wore it loud and proud. But no, they never adequately indicate their LLM use. They know that the LLM's bullshit isn't theirs, and that they're doing something wrong, and to practice the most potent shame in their dealings. Whatever. All you can do is be better.
>>24884284How tolerant of you.
>>24884040Means there's room for improvement.>>24884244It was required.>>24884278Nope.
>>24884315You could've not participated in the tripfag-personality-off threads.
>>24884309weirdos are good at weirdo jobs>>24884305absolutely based. have a wallpaper
>>24884319>weirdos are good at weirdo jobsLike writing?
I am writing the best stuff I've ever written right now. I don't even care if no one picks it up. I love this book I'm writing. I'm a little annoyed by how slow it's going. I want to land somewhere around 60k words. I'm sitting at 21k and I don't want to put filler.
>>24884315Make a new story (without trip) and I will read it
>>24884406good for you, fren. have fun with it
>>24881663I honestly don’t get why people treat Lovecraft like some untouchable benchmark, because by the time he was my age he hadn’t even started amateur journalism yet. The man was still writing goofy rhyming verse about cats and planets while I already have multiple short stories and over a dozen poems published in actual journals. I’m 27 with consistent publication credits and Lovecraft was still figuring out how a semicolon works.People act like it’s heresy to say this, but let’s be real. By any objective metric, I’ve already accomplished more at 27 than Lovecraft had by that point. He didn’t get real traction until his mid 30s, and The Call of Cthulhu wasn’t published until he was 38. Meanwhile I’ve been published repeatedly in venues he would have killed to get into, and I didn’t have to wait until middle age for someone to notice my writing.Not saying I’m better, but historically speaking, if we’re comparing early career output, I’m ahead of where Lovecraft was. And it’s not even close. Maybe the myth of the tortured late blooming genius needs to be retired if a modern 27 year old can outpace Grandpa Tentacles before he ever picked up a typewriter.And don't even make me get started on the faggots ITT who haven't even heard so much as an iota of positive feedback...
>>24884579Small, sad little person
>>24884593You ever seen a contract for a story before, Anon? I have multiple in my drawer, countersigned by some of the biggest names in literary horror. Don't call it gatekeeping, you coping ignoramus. It's a skill issue.
>>24884595Wasn't the point of your post that it wasn't a skill issue?
>>24884612The point of my post is that you will never be seen as a writer by anybody other than your disappointed mother.
>>24884595>I’m 27>I have multiple in my drawerNice fictional blogpost, bro. t. someone who has actually seen a contract before.
>>24884639Post your novel. Pro-tip: you won't. You're fucking garbage and LARPing.
Didn't miss this shit for sure
>>24884656Go back.
>>24884651I took out a fucking ad.
>>24884660No one likes your cringe garbage and it will never be remembered in the annals of history, unlike my gorgeous poetry.
>>24884663>appeal to populationcringe I don't give a shit if I'm remembered; people know me right now, that's enough. That's true for all of us. You are Kenough
>>24884686You wasted your entire life.
>>24884687
>>24884579judging by the way you wrote this post, lovecraft’s prose is to yours as Olympus Mons on Mars is to an anthill.
>>24884713
>>24884150reads alright. could be tightened, but it's fine. looks like the opening of a novel that eventually tells stories, describe your world, makes a point. nothing wrong with writing despair.
>>24884716see>>24881978
>>24884150Positives: it's cuteNegatives: it's whiny and self-absorbed
>>24884663>and it will never be remembered in the annals of historyThis is a pretty childish mindset to have, associated more with arrogance and desperation than greatness. The 'annals of history' will turn to dust in the blink of an eye, just like everything else. In 100 years almost everyone is forgotten. In 1,000 that turns to even less. In 10,000 the human race might even be gone. In the end, you and a person who never penned a line of poetry will be the same. Everything will be dust and no-one will be remembered.
>>24884716>too retarded to act retarded so gets an LLM to do it for him
What are signs in your writing that you should kill yourself besides if you’re writing fantasy slop because only retards think elves, magic swords, and prophecies about chosen ones are interesting.
>>24885256Magic swords and prophecies in chosen ones have such ancient roots in human culture they go back to like fucking Arthurian legend. You should kill yourself for being so shallow. That kind of narrow thinking will not make for a good writer.
>>24885256What if the chosen one is ordained by the Christian God?
>>24885380you have to be incredibly charming and sharp to get away with being so hateful, as a writer. it goes for almost everyone that there's been great writers even stupider than them. harbor interest, passion, specificity of style, and I am sure you too can be good
>>24884039>>24884039>>24883713This is professionally published.https://www.amazon.com/Here-Now-Then-Mike-Chen/dp/0778308987/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?asin=B07B4Z433Y&revisionId=6e5d5cf1&format=3&depth=1
>>24885563Don't hate, It's probably better than your garbage
>>24885380true - there’s never been an opinionated, arrogant writer.
Will writing help me with my isolation?
Why is it when Stephen King writes a preteen gangbang it’s a work of horror genius but when I do it the people in my writing group just call me a pervert and ask me never to return?
>>24885796Yes
I want to play out this scene from two perspectives in two different chapters. Any advice? It's just a conversation between two characters, but I thought maybe I should make the dialogue different on either side. Then again, I'm worried readers might think that's sloppy. What do you think? Dialogue the same and prose different? Or both different?
Thoughts on my poem?
>>24885891not bad but it's not my cup of tea; it's inoffensive and whimsical and does exactly what it sets out to do it reminds me of some 20th century poets
>>24885804don't sweat it. they did the same to chuck palahnicuck
>>24885804You should introduce your writing group to de Sade
>>24885563I just got here, what's so bad about it?
>>24885891neat. clever. cutesy. corny. i seriously dislike when contemporary writers use older diction but that's "just a matter of taste"
>>24885891Kino. However 'Without being called a reprobate' doesn't really work it's like \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\--\\\\if you see what I mean
>>24885804>writing grouphere's your problem
>>24885958Nothing. It's very good. But idiots like to shit on professionally edited traditionally published books saying it's bad but it shows how far they at to publishing
>>24884717>>24884730Thank you!I'm in the process of writing and illustrating my 2nd short story. Hoping the introduction is interesting enough.
>>24881697Are you the one that posted an excerpt about a "pretty girl contest" to catch the eye of the prince? Victoria is the pretty girl and the other one was crying about being ugly? I was thinking about that story the other day.
You guys should listen to this before you use AI.
>>24886364https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6FMgOzklw
>>2488577r8I said "narrow thinking," not "opinionated" or "arrogant." You can have insightful, wide thinking while being both opinionated and arrogant. The problem in this case, in cruder terms, plain and simple stupidity, which is a problem when it comes to an intellectual exercise like writing. I wouldn't say there have been NO great writers with narrow thinking, but it's definitely a significant handicap. He would be better off not contemplating 'what shit is so bad the writer should kill themselves' and more contemplating why HE should kill himself, so that every day he can grow some more.
>>24886010You really can't scan, holy shit.
>>24885891Rhyming and meter are so passé
>>24885256Writing "literary" fiction whose style is several centuries out of date (and was the "slop" of its time) yet pretending you're superior for doing so.
>>24886868People would definitely do well to learn that the distinction between "literature" and "genre fiction" is rooted in the education system seeking labels to teach things. Today's literature is yesterday's slop. Shit like Anna Karenina and Great Expectations were released periodically like web fiction of today.
Does it still count as practice if I write self insert smut?
>>24886883Yes. You, yes, you, you there, reader, you reading this, you are special. You deserve to be a literary author par excellence. You're just such a special little baby. And the world doesn't understand you yet.
>>24886885This except unironically
>>24886883Yeah. I mean, you can do whatever you want while writing smut. You can exercise trying to write more florid or artistic passages in between the flesh smacking. You can generally flex your syntax construction and vocabulary recall. And so on.I think the main problem is the self-insert aspect may give bad habits in terms of always writing main characters as yourself, or otherwise going for a stream-of-consciousness style.
