Looking for LitRPG recommendations.

Liked BTDEM till the timeskip and by liked it i mean like a lot, felt like it was made for me. Liked the system. After timeskip its a unrealistic juvenile romance at best.

Liked Primal hunter system - otherwise its trash. Managed to read like 400 chapters.

Tried Azarinth Healer but the start is just odd and did not hook me at all.

Liked The Wandering Inn till all the weird sex shit with bugs and lizards.

Tried He Who Fights with monsters but the progression is pretty much locked since the beginning and the system is boring as fuck, no creativity and MC is a preachy retard.

Only serious stories please no DCC.

>>24882414
Defiance of the Fall
Path of Ascension
Reborn: Apocalypse
Randidly Ghosthound
System Universe

Those are all of a similar style.

>>24881772
How can a protagonist be so unfathomably based?

>>24882405
>Successful webnovel edition
I'm supposed to know about this novel?

>>24882453
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/58643/tenebroum
Yes

>muh latinarino
this has always been fucking retarded
we're speaking ENGLISH
it's First Principles, not Ab Initio

Anyone read The Hundred Reigns yet?
How is it? I love timeloops stories but this author has always been a miss for me.

>>24882430
Path of Ascension becomes peachy for no reason. MC just gets lectured by the FMC that it's totally a good thing that the government forcefully takes away his pet fox for a decade "to prevent grooming." It's so off-putting, because it's entirely played as legitimate concern over a 100 year old pet-turned-human.

Meanwhile the same government kicks out 14 year olds from orphanages because they can't afford to keep paying for them. And it's completely normal to then hire 14 year olds to work in bars 7 days a week the entire day.

And all of this is played off as the divergent in the story being good and not a dystopia.

>>24882519
It's played off as the government in the story being good and not a dystopia.*

Fucking Swype.

>>24882519
From what I remember PoA made it pretty clear that the starter planet was being mismanaged by its governor or w/ever. Most of the oppression there stems from that.

>>24882519
The weird thing about PoA is that it essentially made all the big adults in the room competent and so there's little real stakes. The MC basically trips dick first into the Emperor's own god-daughter whose parents are all living legends as well and who has an entire coterie of siblings to support her and so on and so forth.

>>24882492
holy based, carpe dum, dog, piss a vis!

when writing a litRPG which is better?

>starting the reader and MC from zero, with the MC at Level 1 and seeing him progress all the way to level 9 vrillion

or

>giving the reader little context about the system, and have the MC at some level of attainment, slowly revealing the mechanics as the MC progresses further

>>24882869
>>starting the reader and MC from zero, with the MC at Level 1 and seeing him progress all the way to level 9 vrillion
This is the best. Start at rank 1 gu master then progress all the way to rank 9 (level 9) or even rank 10 gu master. Based system.

>>24882453
I remember seeing it shilled quite a bit on this board so yes, you should. Either it was actually successful or the author is shilling right now

>>24882405
So does a fairy tale-esque fantasy stand a chance in slop factories like royal road? Or should I just go the pulp route and write action stories?

>>24882886
(You) should kill yourself

>>24882453
>>24882458
>>24882888
as a webnovel chud, i've only maybe vaguely heard of this story and it has 4k followers. not really what I consider a success story unless you consider middle-listers success stories. which i guess is true, it's all perspective

was it written by a 4channer? if not, i really wonder why it's being mentioned in particular. i suspect a shill

>>24882869
as a reader I think tutorial stuff is lame but going from nothing to competent is probably the most exciting jump a litrpg has to offer.

>>24882896
As in folklore or as in the bad anime?

>>24882869
If the MC doesn't start from zero there is no point in reading even.

how can we get girls into litRPG?
more intra-character drama?

>>24883231
realistically yes, the number-spam aura farming shit is very male coded
im pretty sure women already read TWI in very high numbers because it's mostly character-oriented stuff

>>24883233
>TWI
isn't the writer a woman?
usually is easy to guess the writer's gender, male authors go hard on action, female authors go hard on characters

>>24883231
Bitches love Donut

>>24883231
I've long since believed that a romantasy LitRPG would do absolute gangbusters.

As if to prove me right, this thing went instant triple platinum:
>https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Hercules-Romantasy-Mythology-Villains/dp/1335474722
It contains sections where each of the men is rated in terms of net worth and so on.

My fantasy setting would be Xianxia if not for the fact that the first king of unified “China” sacrificed everyone for immortality

Not sure if I should make him a major antagonist or not

>>24883271
You're writing Fullmetal Alchemist?

>>24883275
>words
You’re writing the dictionary?

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Before, the goal was that if you have about 200 followers by the end of the first month of posting, you have a good shot at getting on RS. But now it looks like unless you have 200 followers after the first 15 chapters, or 500 after 20, so pretty much straight after the launch day, you're fucked. Holy hell

>>24883025
I've seen it here and there. Couldn't tell you what it's about, but I can say that I like how the cover changes through each volume. It's neat.
>>24883231
>>24883260
Please no. They already have the entire trad pub industry pandering to them. Large chunks of the WN scene are also dedicated to romance and the like. LitRPG and slopmaxxers need to gatekeep it lest this space also follow suit.
>>24883304
Finish the story and take the audience you built with you to the next one to try again.

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>>24883304
I'm 6 years late trying to get any sort of audience on RR
I want to kill myself

>>24883317
>Finish the story and take the audience you built with you to the next one to try again.
Wow it's just like repeat regression stories

>>24883236
no he's a tranny

>>24883271
>first king of unified “China” sacrificed everyone for immortality
Peak protagonist material right there.

any WNs where a chinese equivalent are portrayed as the objective enemy, the justified target of a war of wrath?

>>24883392
probably some Korean ones

>>24883304
I hit RS a month and change after beginning my first story, and when that began I had 200 followers or so.

>>24883392
Smartphone isekai

>>24883304
>first 15 chapters, or 500 after 20
chapters aren't really the key stat, about followers + time as the #1 driver im pretty sure (nobody REALLY knows though)
the more followers you get the faster, the quicker you hit Rising Stars.
the current #50 is 200 followers in 11 days

>>24883338
more agender, purposefully avoids saying male or female, not really the same thing

>>24883466
that's a form of trannyism

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>>24883025
>>24883317
It's pretty good.

>>24883478
I don't really see how but go off king

>>24883482
Not acknowledging that only male and female exist is trannyism

>>24883493
Only someone with tranny brainrot would use the word 'agender'

>>24883236
considering the lengths they go to to avoid mentioning their gender I actually think they're a man

Didn't one publication version of the last tide accidentally reveal ximxam's name?

>>24883493
>>24883497
an anonymous figure not stating their gender is not trannyism, you mentally ill fucks

>>24883499
i think a lot of people would judge or interpret the story differently based on the gender of the author, both female and male
i'm surprised more writers aren't anonymous in that way

>>24882635
> it essentially made all the big adults in the room competent
Which makes total sense because no one could get to the levels they are by being incompetent. The entire system is a meritocracy.

>>24883052
folklore

>>24882414
>Only serious stories please no DCC
Disingenuous.

>>24883581
DCC is reddit whedonslop to the core

>>24883606
>doesn't understand struggle or hardship or trauma
>references Whedon who doesn't understand struggle or hardship or trauma
stupid fucking post go back to /v/

>>24883651
I specifically dropped DCC because I got tired of the story refusing to properly take itself seriously
like yeah it does it for a while at points but it always does LE HECKIN DONUT or some other bullshit

>>24883385
He is bretty cool but I dunno if he's really protagonist material. I think he works better if you leave most of his backstory to the imagination, and his arc is pretty much complete after he becomes immortal.

>>24883662
This is why I dropped Crimson Hydra. The breaking point is was when the MC gets captured by the dungeon owner and then interrupts her with a quip. Instead of getting killed, he gets a laugh from her and gets to go on back to his party with a hop and a skip. This kind of shit is why I pirate audiobooks first.

>However,
>, however.
Not asking for permission. Which do you prefer?

>>24883688
#1

>>24883688
as a howeverchad it depends entirely on what works better within the flow of the paragraph

>>24883688
I prefer
>Thoughbeit,
>, thoughbeit.

Epanadiplosis

>>24883707
Well?? Which one do you prefer?

>>24883662
>book has humor
There is always Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon but I don't see many people sticking around until the end. It is very bleak and dark, and made DCC look like a park picnic.

>>24883741
I see the phrase "It's all too much" get meme'd about whenever someone brings that up.

>>24883749
That's just Duke's mantra, like Carl has his "You will not break me". All you have to do is read until you see the term amplification mentioned and if you can handle what that eventually leads up to, you can make it until the end.

>>24883760
elaborate

So I just started going hard on webnovels, currently on Primal Hunter. As a perpetual nogames on /tg/, I keep wondering how to game the system. Seems like the easiest way is to be the MC and benefit from all the bullshit the writer throws your way.

>>24883780
You should read Reverend Insanity

>>24883783
Already did.

>>24883780
That's how you do it in tabletop too (Provided you don't have a shit DM). Really, many webnovels are just DMs running a solo campaign with free reign to fudge however they please.

>>24883783
>>24883786
My favorite part is when John Insanity became the Reverend of Insanity and Reverended all over the place. Classic John.

>>24883803
That's his Americanized name. His real name is Wu Tang

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How do you start a story so that people would want to read it? IMO

>>24883741
I listened to the SBT version of this
overhyped miseryporn, not even good as far as gore goes
ooo ooo LE SYNDIKEK PUT MY VIRTUAL BALLS IN LE ELECTRIC SUPER MEGA ULTRA BALL CRUSHER GORILLIAN TIMES
4/10 i might as well just read Dead Wizard's Diary or someshit
also copout ending obviously trying to leave it open for sequels that will never come lol

>>24883832
you approaching this from the wrong starting point and you will never make it

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I started Maxxed out Arch Mage and I think it's really nice so far. It is also quite impressive how fast it grew on Patreon. It is making as much cash on Patreon as Super Supportive despite SS having a 3years headstart. I wish the protag was a man and not a woman who looks like a little girl, though. I'll keep you updated as I read further.

>>24883893
What if it was a man that looked like a little girl

>>24883802
The best DMs are the ones that try to Total Party Wipe the players without making it too obvious

>>24883922
While also giving the players tools to avoid/overcome the TPK.

>>24883764
It's not a good thing for him (the 'mantra', maybe that was a bad term.)
The plot involves the MC getting kidnapped and placed into this special dev-only basically a private server virtual reality hellscape. Two things of note is that 1) pain is set to 105% and 2) every time Duke 'dies', he gets sent to a VR 'hell' where he's burned and experiences blackout pain for 2 minutes and some odd seconds.
It's a proto-DCC in prose and environment but it is a super fucked-up book in a lot of ways.

>>24883834
>sequels that will never come lol
More like Dominion of Blades 3 given the altered audiobook ending. DoMfags have to wait until after DCC.

>>24883233
>>24883236
Anon... Neither the author or audience are women

>>24883466
No
The author is a literal tranny, people found out about a weird smut fetish book he published before

>>24882896
>So does a fairy tale-esque fantasy stand a chance in slop factories like royal road? Or should I just go the pulp route and write action stories?
>
In a flash, in my mind... you said fairy-tale-esque. I instantly thought... "Legend"
Like or hate the old movie, it has a certain aesthetic I like. You write the feel of that movie, you'd have a winner I think. Fantasy is a wide open and popular genre. My suggestion? No politics, no modern bullshit. It will take away from the dream-like vibe. Go for some purple prose here and there, as a motif for a character perhaps. I'd want to read this. Stay away from all tropes. Repackage the movie outline? With another premise.

>>24883893
>/vt/ranny
Go back

>>24883233
Characters are best, plot is best. You need *both*. That said, the most basic plots are used time and again for a reason. They work. Leaving your characters.

>>24883326
>I'm 6 years late trying to get any sort of audience on RR
>I want to kill myself

join the club. six years back? We'd have "defined genres".

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There is no separation between plot and characters. Plot is what characters do.

>>24883541
>i think a lot of people would judge or interpret the story differently based on the gender of the author, both female and male
>i'm surprised more writers aren't anonymous in that way
Its a six of one, half dozen of the other situation.
You got the need for a female pen name for a *chance* at trad pub these days. Up against all the anons saying "female author? nope. Female MC? nope."
Which makes it all a hard choice
damned if you do damned if you don't

>>24883699
>as a howeverchad it depends entirely on what works better within the flow of the paragraph
thank you, anon. Someone else said it. Screw actual rules, it should look/read correct and just... have flow. You're the only other one who calls it "flow" like I do. Thnx.

>>24884099
amen. Tell it, brother. tell it.

>>24884084
book name??? I'm interested what the bug fucker's works were prior.

>>24884107
I don't remember
It was discussed in one of these threads though, so you could check the archive

>>24882458
>stubbed
Tch.

>>24884114
ok I fucking found it out from the archives and I'm parasocially hard now.

Author of Bioshifter and Magical Girl, Mechanical Heart (Thundamoo) just happened to take a holiday the same time as pirateaba on November 26, 2023 and also got sick during February 20, 2024.

also found out that being a lizard/bug fucker has always been a preference for her.

TLDR: Pirateaba/Thundamoo is Noah James got leaked from "The Last Tide" comic when the publisher was careless.

>>24884146
Not buying it. Oh sure I can buy both of these names having fetish fiction under their belt, but I doubt they're somehow the same person. That level of output is just beyond human capability plain and simple. Not "waah i can't do that" I mean your wrists go bye bye, pushing the actual limit of what is physically possible

>>24884146
>just happened to take a holiday the same time as pirateaba on November 26, 2023 and also got sick during February 20, 2024.
bruh
this is seriously what people take as proof? downright schizo
familiarize yourself with basic statistics
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
it's basically guaranteed WAY crazier coincidences will happen with any meaningfully large amount of individuals (authors)

>>24884146
also how is thundamoo's stuff 'weird smut fetish work'? literally tamer than the bugfucking, lizardfucking, centaurfucking in wandering inn

>>24884168
didn’t pirateaba almost obliterate his wrists anyway?

>>24884168
>>24884187
>>24884188
chill, Noah. your 31-year-old heart can't take that much stress now XD

>>24884194
meds

Why not just watch pirateaba's streams and decide for yourself?

>>24884262
>uses TTS
100% confirmed to be a tranny

>>24884275
a tranny would claim to be female, not hide themselves

>>24884194
Thundamoo is openly trans (Natalie Maher) and has trans themes in their stories
Piratebea could just be a person that doesn't want to associate their voice to bugfucker writing. It's probably nothing to do with whether they are a guy or a girl.

>>24884317
>their

yeah yeah, this convo has been had a million times
i'm more interested in the schizo anon seeing two overlapping periods of inactivity and considering it irrefutable proof that two wildly different stories with wildly different writing styles and themes are the same author

>>24884334
Look up the archive for the first /wng/ edition, there was a whole post on Thundamoo=Piratebea

>>24884280
He is dodging the question because he knows royal chuds are going to have a meltdown if they found out he's a tranny

Void herald is my goat

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Detective xianxia?

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Endings are hard, just give me a few story endings that are original and I'll see if I can make them work. Sometimes random ideas can fit into places you don't expect.

Don't suggest alien invasion.

>>24884334
>wildly different writing styles and themes
I would be incredibly impressed if the schizo theory was true with how much the writing styles differ. Got tired of TWI due to personal annoyances with the writing style, meanwhile I've been devouring AYEH and MGMH despite not caring one way or the other about the lgbtq themes

>>24882405
I had a rough rough draft published on RR for a few days then someone decided to get me banned by spamming my account with upvoots. Now i have it on AO3, it wasn't bad, and i had a few people who actually liked it but I'm not pubbing anything on RR again.

>>24884477
the campaign ends. The main character and the closest vagina to him get hitched and have some babies. Could there be a sequel in the future?
Leave it on a cliffhanger.

>>24884492
well, mildly helpful in the sense that I'll make sure not to do that one no matter what.

>>24884437
>Royal Chuds
I wish. Sadly, Billions Must Fall [Chud Evolution] will just have to wait for another day and age.

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>>24882405
I have a career in literary fiction; you guys do not.

>>24883547
Yeah, it makes sense. I'm just saying, if everyone in charge is competent then you're not gonna get an interesting story. Every problem the protagonists ought to face in order to grow will largely get taken care of for them. Which is what we see in PoA.

>>24883547
there is no such thing as a meritocracy

>>24884521
and that's a good thing

Just broke into the Top 10 on Royal Road this week and honestly? I’m not surprised.

I told /wng/ months ago that if you actually want to write something that rises above the sludge, you need to read real literature first. I literally forced myself to read every Dostoevsky novel cover-to-cover before outlining my series, and wow... turns out internalised mastery of psychological realism actually does make your characters multidimensional.

Meanwhile the rest of you are still pumping out the same power-fantasy progression slop, wondering why your protagonists feel like cardboard. Maybe try reading The Brothers Karamazov before writing yet another “Level 1 Goblin Farmer becomes the God-Emperor of Time.”

But hey, keep coping. Some of us are just wired for literary excellence. I’m already rewriting the entire webnovel ecosystem on pure talent + discipline alone.

Anyway, if you want to know what real writing looks like, check the front page of Royal Road. I’ll be the one actually pushing the medium forward while you guys argue about whether LitRPG is “valid literature.”

>>24884527

>>24884527
wtf

>>24884527
is this real?

>>24884099
The plot could have the MC kill 100,000 demons, save 10 princesses, and have sex for 100 days, and you'd still know nothing about the character

what kind of WN would reading Blood Meridian, Heart of Darkness, Lolita, Moby Dick, most of HPL, REH, and CAS’s work, most of MR James, Vathek and Confessions of an English Opium Eater, Dostoevsky, Gogol, Pushkin, David Foster Wallace, most of Shakespeare’s plays and half of his comedies, Jerome K Jerome, a majority of GK Chesterton’s work, and Dickinson result in?

>>24884541
Mine.

>>24884541
mine

it has 53 followers and 15 favorites after 3 years

>>24884538
You'd know that he's someone who kills 100,000 demons, saves 10 princess, and has sex for 100 days, which is a lot more than I can say about (you)

>>24884526
you had to force yourself to read Dostoevsky?

>>24884526
Thank you for saving the webnovel literary space, Zero-Combat, Max Crafting anon

>>24884550
>Zero-Combat, Max Crafting
Max Level Archmage and its consequences...

>>24884526
>check front page
>every rising star is Litrpg or gamelit
>close front page

which period of western medieval history is more kino to take inspiration from?

>Late Antiquity (300’s ad - 400’s ad)

>Early Medieval (400’s ad - 900’s ad)

>High Medieval (1000s ad - 1300’s ad

>>24882508
UPDATE: read current chapters in RR

I feel like the author took everything I post here that I like and made a story out of it

Timeloop : check
Murder Mystery : check
Academy arc : check
Many potential harem babes : check
Worldbuilding : check (well , he tries at least)

There is nothing truly unique on this story but CAN'T not like it. It has everything I want.

8/10 so far

>>24884585
>void century

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>>24884596
>harem

>>24884578
>Max Level Aryan
>Superlative Father of the Aryan Race
>White Power: Overdrive
>Return of the Supreme Hyperborean
>The Sundered Race
>Zero Submission, Total Domination
>The White Supremacies
>The Vrilmaster
>No Mix Hero - A Racially Pure Adventure
>Unfettered: A Vril Concentrating RPG

>>24884477
the MC ends the story with a moral: never trust the chinese

>>24884581
It seems the litrpg boom is only going harder. Before, there used to be at least a handful of other types of stories mixed in, but recently it's been nothing but that

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>>24884585
1300-1600. Everybody forget the Pike and Shot era and its great swag.

>>24884585
>Space Age (2026 - 2100)

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>>24884681
>Space Age (2026

>>24882405
>>24884579
>>24884579
>>24884579

>>24884526
>>24884579

>>24884585
Whichever has stone walls and wood buildings, nobility and royalty. Sprinkle conveniences and inconveniences from separate eras as you please.

>>24884585
Mix & match, son. GRRM clearly knows fuckall about actual history and his is one of the most succesful "historical" series ever.

All your work does is train ChatGPT for free. Do you like doing free labour?

>>24884752
>Whichever has stone walls and wood buildings, nobility and royalty. Sprinkle conveniences and inconveniences from separate eras as you please.
I did this. can recommend.

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>>24882508
>>24884596
>Simon’s heart skipped a beat in his chest. “Is Father–”
>“Yes.”
>Well fuck.

>inability to complete sentences
>responding with random profanities
Terrible writing. Author clearly has no skill.

>>24884477
MC gets trapped in or intentionally creates a pocket dimension and they begin training for when they return knowing the threats on the outside will be greater too.

>>24884607
Cute. I named a book "White Death", but its not what you think. Snow and winter conditions is as as much a deadly protagonist as the human element. I still found it humorous, though.

>>24884504
Xir this is the web novel thread

>>24884897
That's just established YA-esque prose. Not really seeing the problem.

>>24884526
if this is not false hubris, power brother. Pave the way for god forbid a more trad paperback reading experience. I think once a few people encounter some decent stories they'll start nosing round. Anything else cool like this? Like hipsters combing junk shops the style can go mainstream.

>>24884910
>That's just established YA-esque prose.
That's exactly the problem.

>>24884918
It really isn't. Prose should suit the style of the book and the intended audience, and YA is what they're equipped to handle.

>>24884526
Watch your ego. You *need* that big ego to think you can do, what you know you can do. But don't let it ruin you. Better writers than you have fallen to ego. Ride that tiger, brother.

>>24884526
>I literally forced myself to read every Dostoevsky novel cover-to-cover before outlining my series, and wow... turns out internalised mastery of psychological realism actually does make your characters multidimensional.
or are you just re-using and re-naming famous characters and making them your own. Because you *know* that character.

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>>24884526
For me, it's the pulps.

>>24884897
looks fine to me. Grimdark was cool 10 years ago

>>24884923
Why would any author write for ya audience? The only reason I can think of is that they have no real skills to write anything else but ya slop.

>>24884950
>looks fine to me
How old are you?
Online age verification can't come to 4chan soon enough.

>>24884964
in my 40s.
It's better than Moorcock/Asimov , don't play smart

>>24884957
Why would any author write anything? Maybe they're passionate about YA. Maybe they think YA is a lucrative genre. Maybe they want to reach out to young adults.

Obviously you're looking down on YA. I can't convince you not to, but remember that this is /wng/. You've descended the ivory tower to wade into the slop through, don't be surprised when you get some mud on you.

>>24884477
>Endings are hard, just give me a few story endings that are original and I'll see if I can make them work. Sometimes random ideas can fit into places you don't expect.
>Don't suggest alien invasion.
I was loaned an (old) paperback our of a series, and was told the style was imitated by many of my favorite genre writers and they admit the influence. So, who better to emulate than he who is emulated by other famous writers.
>
He has a thing. He *kills* the girl the book is named for, every time. Knowing this, I'm waiting for the girl to die. She died late in the story, *just* when they were about to maybe win and pull it off.
>
I'm late in my own big trilogy project.
Its hard-boil noir, just like the example book is.
Small set of small town characters, not the international jet set thing. Just like the example novel.
It suddenly became clear. I needed to KILL my male hero.
It changed the whole story. It was powerful and gripping. It completed the development and change of the co-MC... scarred for life. The after-the-conflict tail piece was very emotional and poignant. I was particularly proud of the hero military funeral and that imagery. The scarred co-MC now got to meet his parents ad reflect on where he had come from.
Allowed the trilogy to "come down" and ramp down into tragedy and some powerful emotional notes.
>
It was a powerful tool, ad giving your life freely is the *true* test of a hero.
>
"Heroes and monsters have one thing in common. They aren't born, they have to be made."
>
this trilogy was the origin story of a unique type of hero. A noir hero.

>>24884968
>in my 40s.
LIES!

>>24884968
>in my 40s.
oji-san go to work

>>24884981
It's Sunday , go away

>>24884969
>Maybe they think YA is a lucrative genre.
LOL, but on the serious note, are the ya authors really this stupid?

>>24884964
Broccoliheads are hitting 30 soon, verification won't save us.

>>24884986
Nice of you to ignore the rest of my post, I guess. Concession accepted.

>>24884957
>why would any author write for the audience with the most free time and disposable income?

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>>24884968
>It's better than Moorcock/Asimov

>>24884992
>YA is a lucrative genre.
Do you really think that some 14yo retard is gonna spend his allowance money to sub to your patreon (ignoring the fact that one needs a credit card for it)? Or buy your book on amazon, or even click on the shitty rr ads? Just how dumb are you?

>>24885010
You don't even realize that a large part of the YA market is 18+? Anon, please. At least try not to sound like a complete yokel.

>>24885010
>buy your book on amazon
Yes, actually. That, or read it on KindleUnlimited.

>>24885010
the majority of the YA market are millennial women who are nearly 40.

>>24884984
Why aren't you at church?

>>24885007
>why would any author write for the audience with the most free time and disposable income?
I don't know why authors don't write for the millennial audience.

>>24885016
my priest got deported

>>24885016
Because of atheism.

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YA is great when you get away with putting "nigger" in your books. Of course, this was YA when I was a teen in the 2000s. Can't imagine the sanitized faggotry kids read these days. Hunger Games? lulz
A "snigger" is a type of drink in one of the worlds in this series.

>>24885078
>putting the n-word in your book
Why? What's the point?

>>24885090
Virtue signalling.

>>24885090
>n-word

>>24885157
we don't use that kind of language in these parts

>>24885167
Good. There is no need for racism in the web novel scene.

>>24885167
>we
What other newfag things will you say?

>>24885180
you shouldn't use the f-slur either

I read some Beware of Chicken and now I'm itching to read a proper cultivation novel. It's too bad that the Chinese ones have such bad character interactions and the western ones are too nice or weird. I feel like I need a smut cultivation novel or something.

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we DO say that word here, brother

>>24885208
>Chinese ones have such bad character interactions
> I need a smut cultivation novel
You don't want bad character interactions but at the same time you want smut? That just makes no sense.

>>24883547
Except, of course, the entire premise of the story undermines that notion. You can't be kicking out 14 year old orphans onto the street "because the government can't afford to feed them" and consider the government to be competent.

The government only noticed the poor running of the planet because the planet produced a rare genius talent and had a weird run in with an orphan. But this happened YEARS after the planet was already getting mismanaged. What kind of a competent government are you running if you don't have organizations in place to work around single points of failure like the noble house running the planet?

The best part is that the MC starts earning more money in a single dungeon dive than it costs to run an orphanage for years. And he was relatively low level at that.
>>24884516
They're not actually competent. The story insists they are, but they aren't. Not really. It reads like reddit-tier competence, where only problems that are apparent are addressed. That should (and seem to) lead to underlying issues, but the author just ignores them.

But I'm fine with all that. I just didn't like being lectured at by an annoying female lead why it's actually good that MC's hard earned pet is taken away for a decade and how the story just ignores ask the consequences of such a policy.

>nipponese man reincarnates as the first son of a baron in fantasy notYurop
Calm, only the average level of autistic gripes.
>yuropoid man reincarnates as the first son of a samurai in fantasy notNippon
Everyone loses their mind.

>>24885208
read some Er Gen

>>24885208
do I even have to tell you what you should read

>>24885208
The only two western ones that have ever clicked for me are Cultivation Nerd and Sky Pride. Sky Pride goes hard on daoist philosophy in both practical and literal ways, whereas Cultivation Nerd is an isekai where the protagonist relatively quickly (with the help of a psychotic teammate) realizes that he has to stop being such a pussy or he's going to end up dead, resulting in him basically being the scheming subordinate to a character who would be the villain in a lot of other series.
Sky Pride takes a lot of queues from actual history, and one of the big questions of the series is "how does your cultivation and immortal detachment help you in a game of soft power and economic warfare?"

Sky Pride is probably better, but ultimately I can't help but enjoy how utterly ruthless the protagonist in Cultivation Nerd becomes. Not in the sense that he's intentionally cruel, but in the sense that he doesn't play games at all, he very much removes problems by the roots. It's so different to most western protagonists.
Sky Pride on the other hand is mostly about a kid trying to reconcile his idealized Daoist philosophy and his desire to do good, with the practical realities of an imperfect world.

>>24885219
Have you ever read a Chinese cultivation story? They have married couples where the characters barely interact. Once in a hundred chapters you get a few throwaway lines about "MC and his wife frolicking at a picnic". And their character interactions are very often just weird. The romance they have is alright and the stories tend to start with okay character interactions, but eventually they either disappear or devolve into nonsense.

At least in smut characters say words to each other.

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>the story that's been on hiatus for months keeps getting new followers
>none carry over to the story that's currently on-going
Why can't anything work in a way that makes sense?

>>24885242
>Sky Pride
This is tagged as wuxia instead though, is that the author's mistake?

>>24885255
The two genres are extremely closely related and the difference between them is ultimately a matter of semantics. The strictest definition of Xianxia is simply that the protagonist is seeking Immortality, while the exact same series where the protagonist isn't seeking immortality would be Wuxia.

>>24885235
That might be a good idea.
>>24885238
It's not a good idea.
>>24885242
Thanks. I have Sky Pride on my to read list, but haven't checked out Cultivation Nerd at all.

I just remembered a cultivation-ish story that I would like to recommend:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34710/the-essence-of-cultivation

A dnd-style mage accidentally teleports himself to a cultivation world. He realizes that his magic and cultivation are not that different and that both can learn from each other.

It has the most engaging combat I've seen in a written story. But the story got dropped relatively early and will forever remain unfinished.

>>24885264
wuxia is about chinese martial artists

xianxia is about chinese wizards

I wish stories with powerful characters wouldn't always give them easy tools to stay hidden. I want the guy flying around to be visible and for people to be talking. For people to recognize the powerful character and all that.

>>24885277
xuanhuan is about chinese wizards. xianxia is specifically about the dao and immortality

>>24885305
>xuanhuan
nobody ever uses this term so it doesn't matter

>>24885264
the difference between xianxia and wuxia is like that of heaven and earth. wuxia is essentially martial arts based historical fiction, while xianxia is daoist cultivation/folklore based fiction.

>>24885252
What doesn't make sense? They like the long and good story vs the short and bad. It's not a given that they will also read the author's other stories.

>>24885308
it matters if the literal topic is semantics of labels and how to use them properly. otherwise just call everything xianxia since that's what tards do

>>24885305
no
xianxia is chinese (daoist) wizards
xuanhuan is chinese, writing about western-style wizards

>>24885243
>They have married couples where the characters barely interact.
Because married life is not the point of cultivation novels? If you want that just read traditional romance

Read Reverend Insanity

>>24885316
so chinese wizards (but not wizards at all, but daoist immortals exactly like the anon you replied to said)
right. very helpful clarification when describing a genre

Wuxia is low-fantasy sword cultivators.
Xianxia is high-fantasy sword cultivators.
Xuanhuan is high-fantasy cultivators that sometimes don't use swords.

>>24885323
yes, very helpful for genres, but not for autistic retards

i love how literally everyone posting is wrong in one way or another

>>24885318
It's just an example. Chinese cultivation novels tend to lack character interactions that aren't a direct conflict after the first few arcs.

>>24885327
>properly describing a genre when the topic is the exact distinction of similar subgenres is autism
you are genuinely retarded

>>24885333
everything you said was retarded nitpicking drivel

>>24885336
maybe to a genuine retard lmfao. those are just the literal, simple distinctions between the genres. not nitpicky in the fucking slightest

>scifi is about fictional technology
>fantasy is about fantastical elements
what retarded nitpicking drivel

the fact that no combat max lvl crafting got onto RS despite being AI-written slop gives me hope for my own crafting autism wn

>>24885339
wuxia = fighters
xianxia = wizards

it really is that simple, the distinction instantly made clear to all but the most mentally ill imbeciles

>>24885344
a bunch have by now. one even hit like #2

How about a xianxia where the MC gets cultivation boosts through kissing?

>>24885344
As long as it isn't just some harem, smut or ya drama slop dressed up as a crafting autism wn.

>>24885346
>here's my bastardized incorrect understanding, anyone who knows how the terms are actually used is autistic
keep flouting your retardation brother, I can see you're beyond help

>>24885344
>>24885348
Are there any cultivation stories that are more crafting focused?

>>24885351
Kissing? Just have him fuck women, dude. Don't be a bitch.

>>24885351
That's like porn that also tries to tell a story.

>>24885356
try looking for the family/clan development WNs, they usually have some amount of detail for the clan-based immortal industries

>>24885357
But it's more interesting if it's something more tame than going all the way.
>I challenge you to a fight. If I win I get a kiss.
That's something that might work.
>>24885358
Yes?

What if MC beats the villain by powering up through a kiss during the fight?

>>24885356
R_______
I_______
unironically

>>24884970
>>24884899
>>24884610

Yeah, okay. Endings are hard for everyone. It was worth a shot though. I think the best endings are just the story never ending and the reader eventually getting bored. Even good endings are hated because no one wants to leave characters they like.

Characters eventually getting boring and fading away isn't so bad though.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/88452/my-big-goblin-space-program-complete

Traditionally published today:
Warren, Scott: My Big Goblin Space Program (Podium Publishing 979-8895394021, $19.99, 300pp, formats: paperback, ebook, audiobook, 11/11/2025)

Fantasy RPG novel. Chris, an amputee astronaut whose ship explodes after liftoff, finds himself in a new world — in the body of a goblin king — and orders his dimwitted and hyperactive new subjects to build a space program and reach the moon.

>>24885381
Renegade Immortal?

>>24885391
Retrograde Isekai

>>24885243
as a younger writer I admit I was intimidated by dialog. It took me some time to get used to dialog, and to finally accomplish a plot goal with dialog instead of just describing it.

>>24885078
definition of snigger:
a cocky derisive sort of snicker.
definition of niggardly:
meanly insufficient, stingy, parsimonious
definition of nigger:
mis-spelling and mis-pronunciation of "Niger".
A Niger would have been an inhabitant of Nigeria.
Which is where all slaves were *believed* to have come from.
All three words are different, have different roots and derivations. Niggardly for instance, comes from old Norse, "knoggard".

>>24885201
I don't like the f-slur I only like FFF-Class Unlucky Antagonist

>>24885313
>the long and good story vs the short and bad
My writing is not somehow dramatically different from what it's always been.

>>24884526
I always said this, recently in one of the rr discord's several disagreed and I was just too much at a shock for words to argue.

so I've been toying with the idea of magic.
For me I could never have screens flashing stats and numbers and all that. Hey, the monster we left alive must have died. Why? I got a fourth fireball, he had to have died. Cool, launch another one. I mean that's just not me.
>
so what is me with magic. Gee, we'll just send MC to some magic university, that will be so original. I fight tropes if anything I'll reverse one first. I went back to AD&D manuals. "Dwaemer" or something was their word for magic. Like a mineral in the water. If you left too much magic treasure and water passed over it, you could get a magical spring. This sounds more realistic to me.
>
A long time ago there was a giant battle. This was back in the age of magic. The armies good one side and bad on the other were both magical, had magical items, and more. The big storm that followed, saw this battlefield under water. The water drained slowly out, and... the Dwaemer collected like minerals in a spot where a spring came up.
>
First chapter hook, cause I know I need one. A young man is being chased. By humans and dogs, torches and pitchforks, the whole deal. He knows there's a little opening under this huge rock in the cold water. He can hide. When there's sears poking down in, he goes underwater and upstream, coming out in a little cave.
>
He has no idea, this is where all the magic collected. When he comes out? He doesn't understand at first. Its a generation later.
>
he gets a companion, and slowly learns there's something up. They get to come out and sort of experience historical periods. They won't realize they have magic.

>>24885201
lurk for four years before posting again

>>24882405
NOBODY103 writing as DOMAGOJ KURMAIĆ sold five books in the Zenith of Sorcery series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault via Drew Gilmour of Achilles Literary Agency.

GUILTYTHREE sold three books in the Shadow Slave series to Rhett Bruno at Aethon & Vault. Damian Wassel will edit.

https://locusmag.com/2025/11/people-publishing-roundup-november-2025/

>>24885264
misinformed post
imagine being this confident when you're this wrong

>>24885497
where's the dictionary to translate.

>>24885489
And we must know this because???

>>24885509
I guess anon considers that "successful" which makes them on-topic for this edition of the web novel general?

>>24885526
Shadow Slave was already massively successful by itself so at least that's legitimate
not familiar with ZoS

>>24885556
NOBODY103 is the guy behind MoL.
ZoS gets a chapter every 3 weeks. Mid , imo. He got the deal on the power of MoL alone.

>>24885509
nta but it's always nice making /sffg/ trolls seethe

>>24885564
>literally who sold x books to neverheard
>why are you telling this?
>to make people seethe
No one cares, schizo

>>24885585
4 posts about not caring.
That's not even 5 , yet

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>>24882405
34 million views. Overwhelmingly positive reviews.
This is how a successful webnovel should be written. /wng/ take note.

>>24885497
Nah they're right, xianxia is just xuxia that will eventually go to the heavens/another realm
It doesn't matter because the stories run out of gas way before then

>>24885344
The dark side of this is posting something you're convinced it 10x better and getting 0 follows.

>>24885476
What would Fang Yuan do in this situation?

>>24885412
Wouldn't that just be regression?

>>24885799
>What would Fang Yuan do in this situation?
summon a black bear to eat a young 14 y/o schoolgirl, alive. While he watches, because he's insane and any kill gains him one hit point or whatever. I thought the way the bear bit the heart for the squirt of blood was a nice touch.

>>24885808
>Wouldn't that just be regression?
I was just making a joke. Then you made it funnier. Thanks.

>>24885611
>34 million views. Overwhelmingly positive reviews.
>This is how a successful webnovel should be written. /wng/ take note.
millions of views, nice. What does it earn a month, though. That's the real test.

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Is there anything out there similar to “the perfect run”???
I just really love time loops and save points plus the mc being crazed is cool too.

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>>24885873
Nothing.

>>24885982
Since it's on Webnovel.com it's earning quite a bit for the site owner. Or did anon mean the author?

>>24886000
yes anon meant author.

>>24885868
>summon a black bear to eat a young 14 y/o schoolgirl, alive. While he watches, because he's insane and any kill gains him one hit point or whatever.
Feeding young girls to a bear to gain skill point/exp/hit points is not a bad mechanic for a litrpg novel, though I don't think it would pass the rr filter.

>>24886126
it would pass as long as you don't portray it as good, somehow (as in if you advertise evil protag)

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The new chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out!!!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2767148/sinful-blade-part-eleven

In this chapter: Our sins get forgiven.

>>24886210
>Our sins get forgiven.
This is such a western concept and a religious cuckolding in a way.
Why does the author need to write this? It's just lame.

>>24886221
K-Man has his needs haha...

>>24886231
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>>24886210
This is so bad, it pure ya slop. It's so bad that it's embarrassing.

>>24886221
Cause and effect, it's an absolute axiom of our reality.

You can't escape from the consequences of your actions, accept it and claim redemption, or suffer the cold logic of this fair game called life.

>>24886236
You think Royal Road is intended to be adult fiction?

>>24886236
You don't know the characters and their relationships.
Biased opinion.

>>24886236
>>24886240
YA is for people up to 35 now

>>24886240
How do they make money if teenagers are their target audience?

>>24886243
No it's not.

>>24886246
>Money
Get out of here.

>>24886247
Correct, most YA sales are more like the 30-50 yo range and thus obviously targeted toward them

>>24886248
What is the point of royal road then? Do they just run the service out of the goodness of their heart?

>>24886255
grim

>>24886247
Article from 13 years ago. It's even worse now. Keep in mind when it was originally introduced YA meant 12-17 not literally young adults.
>https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/53937-new-study-55-of-ya-books-bought-by-adults.html

It's because millenials are obsessed with nostalgia because their adult lives suck and most zoomies literally can't read at a higher level.

people just like a goofy story

>>24886272
royalroad really is filling the niche where the characters are adults and where topics normally not associated with YA are easily accepted, but still has the 'non-serious themes' and is more for fun and entertainment vibe of YA. and I think that's why it's doing well

stuff marketed as 'adult fiction' is just so fucking boring most of the time. but I don't want to read about teens growing up and finding themselves either

I get now why rr authors and readers hate R_l_ so much. It's too mature for them. They are incapable of interpreting mature and adult themes, it just doesn't fit their limited underdeveloped brains.

signed, fart sniffer

>>24886279
No, it's because it's a bad story they only psychopaths like.

>>24886279
RI is more juvenile than most children's fiction
It's the main problem with it

>>24886279
>feeds a girl to a bear for 1 health point
>hehe look how mature and visceral this story is
it's literally made for edgy 13 year olds

>>24886352
Literally rr ya material

>>24886358
name a big rr story that relies on the 13 year old edgy "feed a girl to a bear for 1 health point" shit that RI constantly does

>>24886378
There aren't any. I was agreeing with >>24886352 that it's a really good way to gain skill points, very suitable for litrpg and the young rr readers.

>>24886404
RR wouldn't like RI's edginess, so it's not RR YA material

>>24886411
It's RR's loss.

>>24884477
Endings are easy: genocide and warcrimes.
Everyone loves them.

>>24886319
This trait is also one of the reasons it became so popular. Sadly.

>>24886424
>doesn't attract the infamously hated RI-tard tween audience
>RR's loss
uh
yeah, sure

Caught up with Ghost in the City and now I don't have anything to read.
The perks every few levels setup in that are a really smart way to approach litrpg stuff because it means the book can just breeze past uninteresting numbers go up stuff and just focus on major changes instead of talking at length about CHA 4 vs 5 or whatever.

ummm achjtually chud it's very important that bob the demonwelder has 47 points of charisma and 10 unused stat points

>>24886490
i couldn't read GITC because of the really bad grammar
i wish i could turn that part of my brain off

>>24886497
I didn't find anything too egregious beyond proofreading errors on mistakes that a basic spellcheck wouldn't show.
I suspect the MC being intentionally written as kind of a cringelord is what puts most people off

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>>24885868
>>24885868
The bear swallowed the heart whole THOUGH
And the girl wasn't eaten alive, she died to one paw strike from the bear THOUGH

More importantly the bear suffered even more than the girl, being forced to eat the girl (bones and all) to the point of shredding its mouth and throat, then getting burned alive.
Which was pretty much the point of the chapter, given that half of it was a buddhist rant about being enlightened and seeing all things as having equal value.

>>24886506
It's so fucking funny when authors do the
>but a normal person
>but a mortal
thing and then try to strawman their readers to lecture about their special philosophy. It always comes off as dumb

>>24886506
If he actually believed that all life was equal he would accept that his own life was no more valuable than the girl or the bears lives.

>>24886503
hm am i imagining it? I feel like there was lots, ill go check

>>24886517
dude literally the FIRST line in the novel is
>“Unfamiliar ceiling.” I muttered,
which is fucking up punctuation for dialogue

there was definitely more since I've gotten over that before but lol it's not just basic proofing errors, it's that the author doesn't know how basic writing principles works

>>24886517
idk, there were a few tense slips every now and then but besides that I thought it was acceptable for a webnovel, especially one from the perspective of a teen.
They clearly only give it a once over and hit publish so it's possible it wasn't clean enough for you.
I tend to notice and get annoyed if it's too bad like when stuff is in the wrong tense.

>>24886522
That's correct punctuation even if it is a pretty stilted opening line. Are you asking for the full stop to be outside of the speechmarks?

>>24886514
>he would accept that his own life was no more valuable than the girl or the bears lives.
he does
why don't you just read RI

>>24886517
>The heart rate monitor started beeping, as my heart rate skyrocketed.
really awkward comma placement
> his face covered in a plastic face guard I couldn’t see through!
exclamation point in narration is sooo amateurish to me
>The Doctor… He had drugged meeeee.
...really?
>The first time I had a doctor enter my room after I woke up for the second time but his entire right arm was a twitching monstrous looking limb full of needles and grabbers had me damn near jump out of bed from him.
bro
where
the fuck do i even start

there's really no need to keep picking them out, it's just very, very amateurish writing even for web sloppa, to the point it puts me off

>>24886530
It is not correct punctuation, what? 'muttered' acts as a dialogue tag very clearly here, since she's muttering that phrase. It needs to be:
>"Unfamiliar ceiling," I muttered,

>>24886536
>really awkward comma placement
again you're just fucking wrong here

>>24886541
i will concede that one is personal preference but it feels REALLY gross to me

>>24886540
Why are you putting a comma on a line of dialogue that has no follow up?

>>24886512
>then try to strawman their readers
Explain how it's a strawman to say that normal people value people more than bears.

>>24886546
...are you serious?

>>24886541
No? What the fuck are you smoking? Are you ESL?

>>24886548
Yes anon. Just because you looked up dialogue tags six months ago and keep posting about them doesn't mean you get to ignore basic grammar by namedropping them.
Leaving that sentence open is incorrect. It's a complete statement.

>>24886551
I really can't tell if I'm being trolled by the shitposter lol

I'm going to have another basic grammar and dialogue tagging crash out at this rate.

What is it about evil or morally gray protagonists that breaks peoples' brains?
Is it the natural tendency to view yourself as a good person being projected onto the protagonist?

>>24886556
It's fucking boring to read an edgelord who the author presents with situations where just killing people is always a sensible choice.

>>24886551
>Leaving that sentence open is incorrect.
What does this 'leaving a sentence open' shit even mean? It's why I think you're serious. Are you wildly misunderstanding why you would put a comma at the end of NARRATION for an ongoing dialogue?
>"This guy," Anon said, "cannot be serious."
for example?
If there's a speaker and a tag after dialogue, you put a comma. ALWAYS.
>"This is the only correct way," Anon muttered.

>>24886566
It's not an ongoing dialogue you stupid cunt

>>24886567
if you aren't trolling me right now you desperately need to learn grammar. i am not saying this to be rude but to be helpful. you missed something in your basic education and while many web novel readers won't care, many will

i will even try to explain more as long as you stay polite. but you are wrong, period. even chatgpt could tell you this

>>24886570
>even chatgpt
Yeah I can tell what you've been looking at since you don't seem to know what a sentence is.
All this posturing and you can't address the fundamental point. It's not ongoing, there is no reason to replace the full stop with a comma.

>>24886570
nta but i could use a grammar refresher regarding dialogue since i’ve recently resurfaced from my long dive into MTL chinkslop.

>>24886575
ok im 99% convinced you're a troll from like 80%
in the 1% you aren't: 'ongoing' has nothing to do with anything, I literally don't know what this ESL-ism is even supposed to mean
I won't respond until you link me whatever indian web article you got this idea from

>>24886578
ADDRESS THE FUCKING POINT YOU STUPID CUNT
WHY ARE YOU NEEDLESSLY ADDING A COMMA

uh oh meltie

>>24886560
So true. That's why stories with morally gray or evil protagonists are all boring and unpopular in your headcanon fantasy land.

"Anon is retarded." I said. "This is how webnovel professionals write dialogue, so it's correct."