>>24922096
5 proper nouns in the first page. It's shit.

I was full of doubt for months while piecing things together in my head but something happened today where all of a sudden I can see the plot and characters pretty clearly and the writing no longer feels like a chore but feels fun and inevitable. I'm sure this assurance won't last until the end but for now it's incredibly relieving and encouraging.

>Retards on the last thread gave a baiting tranny dozens of (You)s
Stuff like that is why the general is so fucking dead.

Retards never post their writing, then complain why nobody posts their writing

>>24922142
This is why
>>24922096
>>24922125

>>24922145
Well I can’t speak for anyone else, but whenever I’ve posted my writing on here, I’ve generally been outright ignored. If I get a reply, it’s either people kvetching about highly specific things that make them mad in any writing or people giving misguided basic advice (“any description of a person at all is tell not show1!!”).
I once posted a short story in this thread in its totality, and the 3 anons that bothered to read it (probably not to the end) all ragged on it and said I was a purple prose obsessed wonk. I presented the same short story to a writer’s group at my local library and got 3 people who loved it (while giving critique) and 2 people who didn’t care for it but actually gave me legitimate advice on word choice changes and ways I could restructure the narrative. At best here you have the blind leading the blind where you get writing advice from retards who wouldn’t crack it as pulp authors and at worst you are getting crabbed by bitter fags who don’t even write.

>>24922145
People on 4chan have no interest in being polite and also despise genre fiction which is what I write

Also if on the off chance I publish something I don't want to leave any trail back to this place. I just lurk this general for entertainment mainly

>>24922145
I did but you said nonfiction isn't allowed so I stopped. Thats still writing, though.

>>24922163
Yeah, when you do very basic things wrong, most people are just going to ignore you, because you should know better. The ones that don't, those things are what people are going to point out first, because that's what you need to correct first. And when you call pointing out those basic errors kvetching and ignore what criticism people do give you, that's when the few people that did bother stop wasting their time. It sounds like you want people who are impressed by your prose, not criticism. You're in the wrong place for that.

>>24922142
That's not even in the top 100 reasons the thread is dead
In fact the few regulars getting baited into responding is what barely keeps this thread alive
Absolutely clueless

>>24922232
>Yeah, when you do very basic things wrong, most people are just going to ignore you
But I don’t do very basic things wrong. Retards who don’t write but do critique have just created a laundry list of made up problems they can use to shoot anything down.
You are perpetuating this by assuming I don’t know what I’m talking about.
>It sounds like you want people who are impressed by your prose, not criticism.
No, I want criticism. I even very explicitly stated that people in the writer’s group gave me criticism. The difference is that in a writer’s group, people actually provide that. Here the best you will get is a checklist from a retard who sucks at writing in a way that’s outside the confines of his constricted view of what makes writing bad, or someone who doesn’t even write at all.

beginning, muddle and end

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It's one of those days where I write like a fucken stroke victim and it's impossible to write a real sentence
Is anybody willing to help me mum this up a bit or at least make sure it's inblebleblebleh

>>24922277
>But I don’t do very basic things wrong.
But you do, you're righting purple prose. Nobody wants to read that.
>Retards who don’t write but do critique have just blah blah blah
See this is what I'm talking about. You're being a fag about people giving you criticism.
>You are perpetuating this by assuming I don’t know what I’m talking about.
I see no reason to believe that you know what you're talking about.
>No, I want criticism.
So you can just be a fag? Is that it?
>Here the best you will get is a checklist from a retard who sucks at writing in a way that’s outside the confines of his constricted view of what makes writing bad, or someone who doesn’t even write at all.
Yeah, you just don't like what they have to say. I mean that's perfectly fine, you can fuck off, nobody here is going to miss your purple prose.

>>24922145
I posted several things the past 2 weeks or so, but I either get a Ai copy pasted response or I get bitching about grammar etc.
I just want to know if it has a style, what it reminds you of, if it flows nicely, is it engaging etc.

Thats what I think writing is about.
You can be a skilled writer and do everything right, but have absolutely no creative mind.
Same goes for any art.

>>24922482
>you're righting purple prose
This tells me everything I need to know. Sorry, no write crab faggot. I’m thriving without your retardation.

>>24922498
Lmfao. I'm going to give you the most important advice of your life, kid:

You're not half as smart as you think you are.

>>24922506
You don’t have to revert to tough guy posting and pretending to be an oldfag because you misspelled “write.”

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>>24922145
Reynold pays for the slice and coke and walks out through the gun smoke, over the writhing hoods he just shot. Their pained cries echoing through Johnny’s Bistro.
Johnny’s crawling to the exit, riddled with bullets, sputtering blood as Reynold stands over him. His shiny brown leather shoes now stained. With one foot he turns Johnny over.“Hey, Johnny. Told you I was gonna take your slice of the pie.”Holding back a hearty chuckle he takes a bite.“Hmmm, delicious. I could get used to your slices, Johnny boy. Too bad you won’t be here to make ’em.”“No—” cough “R-Reynold… I can make this right.”Reynold smacks his lips grotesquely, paying no attention to Johnny’s words.“Please—” cough “I swear, you can have it, the whole slice, the whole borough!”“It isn’t yours to give. I asked kindly. Now look at ya—all bloody and full of holes, crawling at me feet begging? I thought you were better than that. Oh well.”Reynold shrugs and places his foot on Johnny’s throat.“See ya, Johnny. Or better yet, like you said—go fuck yourself.”Putting slow pressure at first, then with a sickening pop he snaps Johnny’s hyoid bone. As he lifts off the throat, he sees Johnny panicking, clawing at his crushed windpipe. Cackling maniacally, Reynold leaves the bistro. Behind him, only the wet, crackling breaths of a dying gangster.

>>24922069
Wth is hamdad a writer?

>>24922125
>>24922482
There's no call whatsoever to be such a jerk.

>>24922498
>>24922512
It's ragebait, ignore that faggot

Is this boring as shit already

(1/2)

“GO PROGENITORS!”

Ivan’s eyes scanned the text of the flier briefly, which had landed on his desk this morning while he was attending his daily, mandatory Graduates’ Seminar. It was 6:47 AM in early September, with the sunrise gleaming through the windows directly above Ivan’s laboratory desk in Bowen Hall. A new school year had started which, while having little impact on Ivan’s research work, did mean a return of the greater student body and, with it, renewed enthusiasm for major activities on campus; specifically, college football and lining up in one of the only two “Quicken Eats” locations on campus where students would wait 45 minutes for takeout.

This was the Holden Ulbricht Myer Metallurgical Institute of Southeastern Colorado (HUMMIS). Ivan, a postdoctoral research fellow at the Institute, picked up the flier and would seem alone in wondering how such a specialized organization obtained the financial and emotional wherewithal to sustain such an incredibly mediocre athletics program. The HUMMIS Progenitors had not won a game against anyone in the conference since their “massive upset” over Southern Arizona Miner’s University (SAMU) in 2012.

Not only that, but this singular victory came eight months after a temporary federal restriction on gypsum mining, which happened to sustain Yuma County and, with it, practically anyone employed within a hundred-mile radius of SAMU. This is important to note only insofar as it demonstrates that the HUMMIS Progenitors were as obscure as they were unable to beat other small college teams without major localized economic disruptions.

Ivan discarded the flyer after a brief moment and began to review his latest notes. Standing at 6’3”, he was a tall, slender figure who, in spite of his height, was relatively unimposing. He had medium-length, dark, curly hair, with large, thick oval glasses, and a light lisp of which he had grown tired trying to conceal. Some would say he looked funny, although he fell more on the side of being offensively plain rather than outright ugly. He was soft-spoken, highly reserved, and by certain accounts, not terribly bright. Perhaps that is unfair to say in this way, though; his memory was functional, and he was a bright scientific thinker, which contributed to his success up until now. However, he was slow to speak, often absent-minded, aloof, and generally uninterested in what was going on around him unless it affected him personally or his work. Even then, he didn’t care much one way or another as long as he got paid.

>>24922747
(2/2)
Whether this deficit was an issue of mental health or of apathy, it matters little, except to illustrate his general distaste for his official research work and how much time he invested focusing on unrelated studies while doing the bare minimum to push his grant work along, intentionally avoiding attention one way or another. He had no awards, no honors, and the bare minimum number of publications that was considered necessary to survive through graduate work.

On Ivan’s desk lay his current manuscript, entitled “CHARACTERIZATION OF VILOCIN’S CHELATING IONIC NANOSTRUCTURE”. An abysmal state of affairs, it represented more an anthology of various drafts, mixed and matched without any apparent intent, with printed datasheets scattered with datapoints alone—no labels, no dates, and no further information to sort by. Notwithstanding this, Ivan could clearly identify the most recent and, luckily, most significant experiments from these, and was working to convert them into a publishable format. He would put on his noise-cancelling headphones, turn on a video while leaning back and rhythmically tap his feet and fingers while intermittently entering values. The work was described less as a veritable flow and more like the creeping of molten metal through a narrow conduit, before folding over itself and slowing to a dead stop.

Whereas the professors and peers in the department would be appalled at such a sight, it was of little concern to Ivan. He had produced his previous manuscripts with a similar degree of disorder and managed to escape unscathed. He had no doubt in his ability to salvage the current disaster into a success, although one which would pass publication before being read and referenced very little going forward. He would produce it on time, if not slightly (and always acceptably) behind schedule.

>>24922513
The amount of hands in picture is nearly adequate.

Allow me to react:
>Reynold pays for the slice and coke and walks out through the gun smoke, over the writhing hoods he just shot.
This sentence contains a jarring contrast between something very casual and then something very extreme. If you start out by painting the scene of scattered bodies and gun smoke in the bistro, then follow it up with the main character casually continuing his day, the effect might be stronger and less confusing. Because all of a sudden we have to imagine there being bodies now, which feels out of place. And what do you mean hoods were shot? Did he shoot hoods or people? Why is everybody wearing hoods? If they were shot in the hood, I assume they were shot in the head, in which case why are their pained cries still echoing? I assume they should be dead and silent.
>Their pained cries echoing through Johnny’s Bistro.
>His shiny brown leather shoes now stained.
Although absolute clauses may appear as standalone fragments in literature to create tension or emphasis, the fragmented form does not seem to serve such a purpose here. I would therefore recommend incorporating these clauses into the main sentence for a smoother and more coherent flow.
>hyoid bone
Do you estimate that your average reader knows what this is without having to look it up? Because I didn't. This seems out of place in the overall casual tone of the rest of the piece. Why not keep that tone and say something like "with a sickening pop he crushed Johnny's throat under his boot".
> As he lifts off the throat,
Context dictates that we know it is his foot being lifted, but it wouldn't hurt helping a little by outright saying it is his foot or his boot, and that would be more correct English.

And finally, please add spaces after quotation marks. This helps separate what is and what isn't put between them.

I like to see someone getting creative with blood and gore so don't hold back and keep going. Have fun!

>>24922513
"Walks out" isn't right if you follow up with a whole scene where he didn't walk out yet.

>>24922069
Mine is the squirrel :)

Anyone else here that can't stand purple prose? It's sooooooo annoying to me. I wish I enjoyed it like some people seem to... but I can't get over the fact that it just feels so pretentious and like I need to shower after to get the cringe off me.

>>24922985
fag

>>24922766
>>24922766
I'll try and incorporate the advice, gotta eat rn but might have it done later.
Also "Writhing hoods he just shot" means Hoodlums are in pain because they were shot.
>Writhing in pain
Like a sort of erratic wiggle centipede or worm does after you stepped on it.
Maybe hoods is not the right word?
I tried to make a little mobster-eske and hoods was the first word I could think of.
>You'll never get me copper, see!

I should add, I got a silly mood near the end and decided to try and put the namd of a breakfast cereal in there hahahaha Im sorry dude, it helps me focus to fuck around a bit.

The thing with the quotation marks I csn blame on grok, I asked it to do it for me before I copy pasted it here.

Thanks for the help, dude.
I'll try and edit the scene and post it again.
>>24922772
Is that really wrong? cause what I mean is that he is heading out the Bistro.

>>24922747
I would rewrite it thusly:

>Eyes flitting over the text of the flier which had landed upon his desk that morning whilst he had been attending his daily mandatory Graduates' Seminar, Ivan [...]

>>24923245
Then say something along the lines of he made his way to the exit before stopping at one of his victims
Walking out means quite literally walking out.
But you didn't even write it? It's AI slop? Pity...

>>24923267
Thanks anon, much love

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Pretty grateful that I usually seem to get good, thoughtful feedback on my excerpts. Cheers, fellas

>>24923276
I did write it, I just got told last time to let Grok or another ai fix the punctuation and stuff

>>24923499
Oof, I would definitely recommend doing it yourself, especially if you struggle with it. That's the only way to learn. You could always ask a chatbot for help to explain grammar or have them check anything you wrote for any mistakes, but it's for your own sake to do everything yourself. This is coming from someone who sees writing, literature in particular, as an artform of language, so if you want to master the art you must adhere to the rules of language, much like how a painter has to learn to apply paint correctly for the desired outcome, there are steps and rules to follow. Obviously there is such a thing as creative liberty allowing you to make your own rules and do whatever you want, so if that's what you're going for by all means ignore this advice. I tried painting once, disregarding all rules and the result was a brown smudge. The creative effort was there, but it was not reflected in the result and I can't convince anyone that is has any artistic value, especially not myself.
On another note, aiming for perfection might also be a hindrance in your creative process. When you enter a flow state and you're producing an endless cascade of words, the focus should be less on correct grammar/punctuation. First drafts are allowed to be messy. Even the most masterful paintings start out as a rough sketch. But you should practice editing your drafts. It fosters critical skills as well. Okay rant over.

>>24922985
Very pretentious, very gay. If these fags were as smart as they want everyone to think they are, then they would write shit people actually want to read. It's pseud behavior.

i don't like billie eilish's music

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Hello again, /wg/...

I posted my first short story and my first short story in the same thread (>>24912120), but — alas! — it got no critiques.

I'd really appreciate even the slightest crumb of your attention:

https://archive.org/details/symposium-yes-homo-edition

>>24923764
too many words i don't understand sorry

I just like writing.
I figure I'll either get successful enough to be happy with it or just publish a couple books that never get read.

>>24923820
:'-(

>>24922985
Can you post an example of purple prose? Because I find it annoying. Not pretentious. It has less to do with "you're describing things too much," and more to do with "why are you describing stuff that has nothing to do with anything?"

>>24923849
I hate writing

>>24923912
>The sky, flushed with a decadent syrah glow from the dying sun, surrerended to the unfurled velvet tapestry of night, an opulent sweep of galactic blue alight with a thousand newborn stars trembling into being, glittering like jeweled heralds of distant, mysterious realms no mortal mind could wholly grasp.
See that? That's fucking trash.

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>>24922145
Fine, I could use a beat down.

>>24923997
90% of people here who get hit with the black spot of "purple prose" don't even write this badly. They just dare to use more than one adjective per page.

>>24923997
I remember when I wrote that way.
>>24923969
Your honesty is refreshing.

>>24924021
>1st paragraph
>My mother always told me to smile
>mom always reminded me to smile
Is this repetition on purpose? If it is a stylistic choice, which repetition can be, it should be applied to emphasize the corresponding parts. At this moment it seems like you gave significance to the mother reminding the character to smile specifically before school, but that seems out of character for the paragraph. Instead probably you want to emphasize how the character just smiled at everything as a coping mechanism. So if you want to use repetition, repeat that. The main focus should align with stylistic choices.
Now it looks like school was brought up after the sentence mentioning bullies, as if by association, and less so by intentional design, so you could restructure these parts to align with your goals as the narrator. I will attempt to illustrate.
>I smiled for everything, because that's what my mother taught me, even before I could understand what a smile was worth. I smiled for the scraps on my plate and for rusty tap water in our cheap run down apartment. She reminded me to smile before school, and so I did, even as I was bullied, because that's what she had taught me. I smiled when I knew better. I smiled when I shouldn't have; even during her funeral, because that's what she would have wanted. I smiled for everything, because that's all I knew.
See, now the first and last words of the paragraph are repeated and it makes more sense stylistically. Not trying to say I did better, just demonstrating what a different structure can do for tension and pace.
I applied a paragraph break here because I noticed another redundant repetition going into the second paragraph.. "Last night" announces a simple flashback twice, while it doesn't require so much emphasis;
>I thought my smile had lost all meaning last night, saying how I wish I could die. The magical moment would have been robbed by my beautiful big fake smile, if it wasn't for the eye of the beholder.

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>Thank you for your submission
>we did not choose to move forward with this piece for publication at this time
>we were only able to accept a fraction of what we received, and this is in no way reflective of your work

>>24924031
Lol are you this fag >>24922163

>>24924021
This takes some kind of major left turn at the second paragraph and I completely lost track of the story.

>>24922277
>>24922482
>>24922498
debate devolves into
>this
this
>this
this
>I stop reading
Greentext quotes should be used sparingly

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>>24922145
I posted one (1) whole excerpt last thread and got a whole zero (0) serious critiques. Here I am trying again, watch me get 0 replies whatsoever.
Unless your work suffers painfully from the most obvious amateur errors, posting work here is about as worthwhile as sending cock pictures to random strangers. You might get a quick rush but it's doing nothing for you in the long run. I recommend you stick to discussing the craft in these threads and only post work when you're feeling exhibitionist.

Feeding Taylor Swift 78 Krabby Patties and 1 Chum Burger: The Weight of Ophelia

Act 1, Scene 1

It is closing time at my place of employment thew world Famkous Crusty Crab when the telephone rings. My red and sweaty booss Mr. gene Crab answers because he is a very greedgy curstrucean indeed

“SPUNG bOo MY BIB!!!”

“I am not spungbob he is dead remember Mr Crab”

“Oh yes god rest his soul poor sumbitch”

“yah.. Can I go home now?”

“NO! Prince Travis just ordered 79 Krab OPlackas and you have to do it”

“But CRab !”

“. . . Sping3ebob wud ”

Mr. Crab is also a very mamiplative crustacean and I really need the money bc ii just 50 yr mortgag3d a pineapple so i cook up the oplackas it took literal hours. Then mr crab threw me the keys to his maserati

Together w e gaze xat the big lights of the city rippling on the top part of the water

“Demonrat siculiust shitklole” said Mr, crab big meaty claw pinching the brim of his MAGA hat perched upon his eyestalks “i wish i died in the war “

“Mr . crab No”

“Dfuyck OFF u go get my money NOW”

“Ok”

Italian red learher cafresses my ass cheeks as i fasten my seatbelt and observe the speed limit in accordance w/ all federal & state traffic laws. I turned up the rasdio Ignitution by R. Kelly was playing i listened evne sang along but then i turned it off at a stop light

What is more emasculating for a man? Losing an arm or losing a leg?

>>24924232
Shan't be helping Victoriaslop.

>>24924237
It's actually Napoleonicslop.

>>24924232
Losing the baws

>>24922142
I think it's because AI has made this general redundant for critiquing purposes, unless you absolutely wanted a human perspective, but there is no guarantee you get any reaction here, let alone a serious one. So a lot of people turn to chatbots.

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>>24924183
No.

>>24924021
I don't dislike the scene you're setting here at all (in fact, I do enjoy it quite a bit), but a lot of lines here are weird. A lot of what you say in the 2nd paragraph sans context is just confusing.
>More like especially ass tired
This is horrid.

>>24923764
>steals quite heavily from Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun.
I belabor this point to all fantasy anons, but seriously, take a random page in the New Sun, any page, then blank out all the in-universe terms, proper nouns, and the 'no one except autists or a person with a thesaurus would know' words. Now read the sentences and see how much / little flow there is to them. Yours isn't unbearable but as the reader bounces through it to hit a line like
>We made for a yogurt stall. No payment was required.
They're going to immediately fall out. Not because of that specific line or the overloading, but the combination of the two.

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does anyone have any decent plot structure books that arent just jerking off story circles, the hero's journey, or telling you to read more?
i am struggling stupid hard going from shorts to novels that arent just action adventures

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I'm very proud of this passage

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Another banger of a passage.

>>24924331
A stranger comes to town?

>>24924340
>I'm very proud of this passage
Why, because you're ESL?

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>>24924348
I've transcended English.

>>24924356
You can't transcend something you never approached.

>>24924372
Womp womp.

>>24924375
Stick to Punjabi.

>>24924340
>>24924345
>>24924356
Just from the ugly, overused bolding, you can tell this is schizobabble without even reading. Not that you'd have to read too deeply to detect the schizobabble

>>24924340
>>24924345
>>>/pol/ is that way

>>24924383
>schizobabble
It's more bipolar mania babble

>She was a sword behind a pane of glass; beautiful but only because the sharp edge was kept at a distance

How do I fix this?

>>24924599
Turn she to he

>>24924232
Losing his dignity

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Do you think anybody will ever produce my play?

>>24924847
Try your local theatre or a college or even high school?
I am thinking about giving college kids my writing and letting them make a short film, maybe even pay for some of the expenses in exchange for owning the film.
Kinda like Saul Goodman, but for the sake of the film.

>>24924936
It's not a real play, I was just being silly, sorry...
Although I have written a real play before (howeher it's a bit weird and rough) and I do have an idea for another one (one that would even be feasibly playable) floating around in my head that I would like to write after I finish this other thing. Maybe one day...

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When is it go

I haven't written anything in so long. What should I write about?

>>24925345
Anything that isn't a FeMC or women. The woman in the story should be in a kitchen and giving blowjobs. That is her only relevance to your story

>>24924847
Ai

>>24924321
I wrote it linearly and with little editing, so much of the thesaurus-speak is unfortunately front-loaded. (Like that third sentence, holy shit...) If I ever do decide to salvage it for some other purpose, that will be the first thing I fix.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean about the juxtaposition of the 'yogurt' sentences, though — are you saying that the shift between the more prolix sentences and the terser ones is itself off-putting? Like, stick to one style or the other?

Usually, I write with the same cadence I would speak (descriptive prose and all), which is why I use so many goddamn commas and em-dashes. For example, the phrase "so useful against the mountain cold" (near bottom of pg. 1) is cordoned off in em-dashes because I intended it to be read as a contemplative, hushed tangent. [I really don't know if that comes across to the reader, however.]

Anyways, what little editing I did do was ironically to break up some of the longer sentences, so the piece could have a more dynamic cadence. IIRC, that line was originally:
>We made for a yogurt stall, where no payment was required.

Would love to hear more of your critique, if you're willing and able. Thanks sincerely for what you've already written.

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On a scale from 1 - 10 how pretentious does it sound?

>>24925717
I’m not reading it until you format it properly. Learn how to make paragraphs, nigger

>>24925717
>single spaced
>breaks between paragraphs
>no indentation
No format, no read.

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>>24925384

>>24924599
to fix it grammatically, change the semicolon into a colon and add a comma before but. To fix it aesthetically, become a better writer.

I am a total newbie to writing properly, I only got to the point where I can writes scenes that could be a book, but I would have to connect them and make it make sense.
Wrote like 150 plot ideas down, I reckon ive written enough for a novel over all of the different stories but there is still something stopping me from making it whole.
I could easily write a fun couple pages of a short story, but thats it.

Fucking sucks man

>>24925825
you need to do two things:
1. force yourself to write
2. be ok with writing garbage
start with 500 words a day and try to get it up to 2000. DO NOT go back and edit. Grow numb to the act of writing.

>>24925795
How do you decide between colon and semicolon?

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>>24925839
they do completely different things
I recommend this book
it's for adult english speakers who have never had a real formal education in grammar

>>24925827
Retard-tier advice. Being OK with writing garbage only encourages you to write nothing but garbage. You should strive to improve.
No wonder all the writing here is shit.

>>24925845
yeah just keep reworking that 1500 word opening chapter over and over and over and over. That'll make you a master of the craft, for sure.

>>24925756
>>24925758
Okay, so paragraphs should be separated by an indentation and no line break? Why the fuck does that matter when they're both as readable lmao. But I guess double spacing makes sense

>>24925862
Most people start a new paragraph when a character begins dialogue

>>24925840
Interesting; suck my balls

>>24925870
Okay, like a new paragraph every single spoken line, or just the first line, and if the character continues there's not necessarily a new line? I think I've seen both approaches here

>>24925852
Aww babby no likey

>>24925902
Try reading a fucking book and seeing how they do it

>>24925825
I have the opposite problem. I have tons of ideas for and I've written a lot of longform stuff by try to get me to write anything like a couple-page-long bit of flash fiction and I'll tear my hair out trying to come up with something

>>24924599
>She was like a sword behind a pane of glass. Beautiful, but only because the sharp edge remained at a distance.
That's to make it basically readable but I'd further refine it to
>She was like a weapon on display. Beautiful, but only because it remained unwielded.
If that fits

>>24924331
No. Read more (actual not meta) books

>>24925902
like the other anon said, just imitate something from your bookshelf. there are multiple different conventions, so find, pick and copy one

>>24926054
>there are multiple different conventions
it's pretty standardized for modern publishing. there's a lot of different conventions in old literature because it's old
you should learn what publishers are expecting

>>24924232
Leg's more harmful to a man. A man can do most jobs with one hand, even if it is his bad hand.
To lose a leg is to be a true cripple.

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I think I just like writing about hunky men and willow women.

>>24926251
why are you gay

>>24926252
Who says this?

>>24926251
>writing about men
>mmmm, good
>Saar
>Vince McMahon
>refuses sex
holy shit this is gay

>>24922069
Start with short stories. Write one a week and send them out. It's how novelists you love got good.

LITERARY FICTION
>HEAT Magazine
https://giramondopublishing.com/heat/contact/
>Pays much more than genre magazines.

>Overland
https://overland.org.au/submit/
>Pays well for fiction and essays – $550; poems – $170

>Ploughshares
https://pshares.org/submit/journal/
>Ploughshares pays $45 per printed page, with a minimum payment of $90 and a maximum of $450 per author for general submissions

>Tin House
https://tinhouse.com/submission-guidelines/
~20–50 cents per word
Stylish realism, memoiristic fiction, experimental narratives

>Granta
https://granta.com/submissions/
Pays up to £300+ for prose
Accepts international writers
Focus on boundary-pushing literary innovation

>Meanjin (AU)
https://meanjin.com.au/contribute/
Fiction around $500–750 AUD depending on length
One of Australia’s top literary publications

SCIENCE FICTION
>Clarkesworld
https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/submissions/
>1000-22000 words, no exceptions
>12c (USD) per word. No horror but dark SF/F permitted.

>Asimov's
https://www.asimovs.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines
>Up to 7500 words, at 10c per word (USD)

>Fantasy & Science Fiction
https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/glines.htm
>Up to 25,000 words in length. 8-12 c (USD) per word. You must read a sample of the magazine before sending.

>Interzone Digital
https://interzone.digital/submissions/
>Maximum of 5000 words. 1.5c (EURO) per word. Double-spaced and emailed.

>Lightspeed
https://lightspeedmagazine.com/submissions/
8–10¢ per word
Hard SF, soft SF, and character-based stories.

>Analog
https://www.analogsf.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines
8–10¢ per word
Prefers scientific accuracy and innovation

>Uncanny Magazine
https://uncannymagazine.com/submissions/
10¢ USD per word
SF with emotional depth and diverse perspectives

FANTASY
>Beneath Ceaseless Skies
https://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/submissions/
>Up to 15,000 words, 8c per word (USD)
>Provides feedback on rejections

HORROR
>The Dark Magazine
https://www.thedarkmagazine.com/submission-guidelines/
>We pay 5 cents/word for original fiction up to 6,000 words...

>Deadlands
https://psychopomp.com/the-deadlands-guidelines/
>The Deadlands seeks stories about death... they pay pro rates, at 10¢/word for original fiction.

>Nightmare Magazine
http://www.nightmare-magazine.com/submission-guidelines/
>Dark fiction, from psychological horror to traditional supernatural tales. A top-tier pro-rate market.
>Pay: $0.08 (USD) per word for original fiction.

>Apex Magazine
https://test.apex-magazine.com/submissions/
>Payment for original fiction is $.08 per word up to 7,500 words. Minimum of $50.

>Pseudopod (audio but professional payment)
https://pseudopod.org/submissions/
8¢/word
Excellent exposure due to audio format

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How many projects are you guys currently working on?

I'm at work on a very big story that takes up a lot of my creative time and energy, but lately I'm starting to think I need to set some time aside for short stories, too. This is because the sheer size of the project means I haven't actually written a new short story in several years until recently, so I don't actually have anything to go out for submission to magazines that reflects my current skill level as a writer.

I banged out some flash fiction last week and enjoyed it, maybe I need to get back into standalone short fiction. That said, this big project is basically my masterpiece, or so I hope it will be. Necessarily it occupies a lot of time and a lot of my headspace.

>>24925345
Go outside, live life, interact with people, get out of your comfort zone, then come home and write about it. You're not going to get anywhere if your only experiences in life involve media and artificial human-made environments like the room in your mommy's house where you grew up.

>>24925825
Then write some short stories. Those are probably better, in this age of TikTok attenuated attention spans.

>>24926291
Is it cheating to send these places excerpts from longer works that are meant as standalones if they don't explicitly forbid it?

>>24926291
>It's how novelists you love got good.
Because they were part of a different age. You can't be serious. Short stories are unbelievably dead.
Authors wrote short stories back then because short stories were how you broke in to the industry. That hasn't been a thing for at least twenty years and those same big authors themselves say that.

You guys write on A5 format too because standard typewriter layout is an eyesore?

>>24926601
What's a typewriter?

>>24926649
It's like an old-fashioned touch screen

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Got my ass rightfully whooped last time I posted part of this story, so here's an excerpt (again) with some heavy corrections.

>>24926653
No, it's like a zero-latency keyboard/printer combo.

>>24926653
>>24926601
i mean word processor software or whatever but you knew that

>>24926649
>>24926751
wrong @

>>24926719
What's a printer?

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me as heck itt

>>24926705
You need a narrative whiplash warning on that last page

>>24926761
a machine that produces analog pdf's

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>>24926766

>>24926770
Is it not obvious enough the guy is dreaming? Felt like it was abundantly obvious.

>>24926777
is that what "feature presentation" was supposed to mean

>>24926777
That's not the issue I'm referring to, although you could make that clearer. The first two pages are boring as hell, and then suddenly weird shit starts happening. Ergo, narrative whiplash.

>>24926780
And the paragraph where he falls asleep, openly hoping to have a dream? Yeah.

>>24926782
>Man, this guy has a really boring life, starts to fall asleep, and says he hopes he has a dream
>damn, why did shit get really weird all of a sudden?
Is this really a me problem?

>>24926578
>Short stories are unbelievably dead.
Who cares when the form is how you learn how to write long-form prose? Show me one debut novelist who never wrote shorter works, and is actually good.

>>24926823
>and is actually good.
Bait
You'll disagree with literally anyone I say

>>24926837
I doubt you even read contemporary fiction because it is, by and large, written by illiterate bipoc they/them queermos with MFAs and egos to boot. The standards in publishing have gone down significantly.

I recently read something by a contemporary author who is gaining some traction. But in his writings I suspected that he is trying to copy my aesthetics. But his art piece was good, I liked it.

Should I send him a message of praise and try to stay in contact? Because it will hurt my ego to send him a message of praise after suspecting that he is stealing my aesthetic. What should I do? Or am I being an egoistic asshole here?

>>24926841
You sound like you have paranoid schizophrenia or delusions of reference.
>The famous person is le stealing my thoughts!

>>24926840
how long have you wasted your life doing this?
do you feel any embarrassment at all or are you beyond that?
what are your coping mechanisms for not roping?

>>24926846
>how do you cope
I tell the world I am pansexual and neurodivergent to get published. Play the game.

>>24926844
>thoughts
No, I have published some of my shit.

> famous person
She is not famous.

>>24926848
*he

>>24926848
>No, I have published some of my shit.
Having one or two publications isn't going to mean anyone is stealing your ideas. You sound self-important.

>>24926856
You are right anon.

Authors with 100's of thousands of sales are still unknown to the general public
You have to bigger than all of 4chan to be worth 'stealing ideas from'

>>24926867
Not really the case. You can “steal” an idea from anyone. I’ve written a short story based on a yarn a homeless guy babbled to me.
Hell, the lyrics to Peaches are also just verbatim some shit a homeless guy said.

>WORTH stealing from

>>24926872
Yeah, you passive-aggressive faggot. Inspiration can come from anywhere. You don’t need to be a household name to be worth taking ideas from.
https://youtu.be/3GCrzjVdmSg?si=kbJ-_dgTOhb72dfs

>>24926882
Good artists copy. Great artists STEAL.

>>24926882
>Inspiration can come from anywhere.
>Inspiration
>Stealing
>Are the same thing
sad

>>24926890
Why do you think I put steal in scare quotes

>>24926900
you don't understand the difference

>>24926195
Thanks. I was thinking the same thing.

>>24926904
I did it because I don’t consider taking ideas and limited words from someone and incorporating them into your work is stealing. I assume paranoid anon is wondering if this person is lifting their ideas and not literally copying them line by line.

>>24926916
>I don't consider taking things from other people without their permission stealing
Good to know! What's your address?

>>24926929
>ideas and words are the same as physical possessions
Retard

>>24926931
>is an artist and thinks ideas are less important than funko pops
You are a disgrace.

>>24926932
I didn’t say possessions were more important. I said they are not the same. Ideas are not meant to be nested on like a dragon’s hoard. They are, in fact, more important by this virtue of being free, malleable, and exploitable by all.

>>24926956
>uploading another person's book wholesale is totally fine

>>24926932
Property is property. You're more than happy to "share" the property of others but not your own? How very niggardly of you.

>>24926956
>I didn’t say possessions were more important.
You implied it, retard

>>24926251
>F-fine

DON’T DO THIS, DO NOT PUT STUTTERING IN DIALOGUE, IT’S A SIGN OF A F-F-FUCKING RETARD

>>24926397
1 but when im stuck I start multiple and then return

Is there a way that I can simultaneously parody the way liberal women in their 30's speak while also not necessarily offending them? Such a parody would be plausible and ostentatious enough for liberal women to admire it, but also enough to be obnoxious for anyone else. Here's what I have:

“The fascist hegemons in our government are restricting our personal and institutional rights to education! There is nothing improper or immoral about consenting adults gathering to be educated in matters of history and philosophy. They are systemically undermining age-old institutions in our society. This is not about the subject matter; it is about controlling us. We will not allow it! We will not allow it!”

>>24927233
why do you want chronically offended femoids as your audience, worse yet, emulate them in your stories
sickening

>>24927236
The story takes place on a university where entire humanities, arts, and social sciences are shut down. Their seething is a necessary part to the story, but they're also not the ones I'm focusing my criticism on.

>>24927241
why do you care about who gets offended
grow a pair and write whatever the fuck you want without imagining that you need permission from an imaginary audience
are you american or some kind of muzzled castrated dog

>>24927252
Like I said, they're not my target in this writing, and so the point is to maintain interest and faith for long enough to lure them into the story. It's not that I generally care to make them happy but pissing anyone off at this point in my story is contrary to my goal of making the introduction digestible and engaging.

>>24927252
You don’t wanna piss off potential readers that will enjoy your narrative right off the back

>>24927262
sounds gay
if you can write, your audience will find you

>>24927268
Good to hear from you, Jean Raspail.

The black cock was huge. It twitched like a predator ready to pounce. “Your black cock is huge,” said the white girl.

>>24927529
could use more prose, make it purple

>>24927538
The purple cock was huge. It twitched like a predator ready to pounce. "Your black cock is huge," said the white girl, even though it was purple. Tyrone sighed, knowing she was just calling it black to make him feel better, and his cock started to soften somewhat. "What's wrong?" asked the white girl. Tyrone was already pulling his pants up. "Next time," he said, "don't lie to me about my cock." He slipped on his shirt, and with his head hung low, walked out the door. The white girl was left naked, sitting on the bed, head in her hand, trying to make sense of what had just happened. Later, Tyrone was stopped on the highway for speeding, and while reaching for his wallet, he was shot to death by the police.

THE END

>>24926786
Maybe, and hear me out here, it's not a good idea to make your first two pages boring as hell

>>24926837
>>24926823
>>24926578
Literally just write.
Write you stupid niggers. The barrier to entry is nothing. Anyone can be published anywhere and advertise at low cost.
Write.
Post/publish.
Study how your work does, listen to feedback.
Write more.

>>24928039
And get more Victoriaslop? Nah.

>>24928039
If you cared about writing you would be discouraging as many people as possible.

>first novel is almost done. Just the last 2 and a half chapters left before I begin editing it.
>Getting nervous about approaching agents and publishers because I don’t know what the process is

Is there some kind of “for dummies” guide on how to contact agents and publishers? I want to make sure I don’t get conned and also directed to a decent publisher that will accept my work.

>>24928039
>listen to feedback.
Just not from here

>>24928243
>Is there some kind of “for dummies” guide on how to contact agents and publishers?
Yes, if you're a dummy, don't.

>>24928298
Sorry you’re such a pussy that you can’t handle honest criticism. I guess you should be with the faggots on Reddit who are too scared to be honest.

>>24928298
90% of feedback can only be considered in a weighted fashion anyway.
Consider this: if you wouldn't trust someone to put a gun to your head and rest their finger on the trigger, why would you trust them with something you care about as much as your writing without verification?

>>24928316
This is just the purple prose fag whining again.

>>24926557

As long as it can stand on its own, they won't care or notice (if you don't tell them).

Mind you, you should make sure you understand your chances of acceptance and not just pin your hopes on the highest tier, slowest responding venues.

I'm experiencing a strange problem:

>submit work
>it gets accepted
>have to wait 2-3 months for it to come out
>practice, read, write more in the meantime
>by the time a story I wrote 3 months ago is out, I've outgrown it
>feel awkward about advertising and hyping it up, even if at the time it felt like the peak of what I was capable of
>fight through the cringe and post about my newly released work anyway
>still cringe

I can never outpace myself god fucking damn it. I wanna still be proud once a story comes out. :[

>>24928544
lucky you. I haven't a clue how to get a work accepted

>>24928570

how long have you been at it? do you know where to submit? I've been at it pretty intensely for close to a year now so I have a bunch of realistic tips if you need any.

>>24928575
a year or so

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>>24928214
>Victorian-slop
got excited for a second

>>24928587
Victoriaslop is sort of Victorian slop

>>24928582

do you use any journal aggregator type site like duosama or chill subs? I use Chill Subs and their gigantic inventory of journals and submission calls. filter by genre, popularity, submission method, wordcount, etc. it's how I found a ridiculous amount of opportunities.

You can scatter shot your stories across multiple venues simultaneously, keep working on your newer stuff while you wait, keep at it. it's really, truly a numbers game.

plus a lot of the shit that gets published is only published because the indie lit scene has tons of cliques. hacks who know each other, have been in the game for a long time, pat each other on the back for every fart. there's some genuinely godawful work out there being touted as "transgressive, bold, and uncompromising". a trash mag called Trampset acts like it's a gatekeeper of quality, when it just publishes trendy slop by indie scene darlings.

something I noticed is that venues who accept submissions via any method OTHER than Submittable give you a way higher chance of acceptance. venues that use Submittable get thousands of submissions and your chances there are fucking rough.

I tried to write an original Victorian story where an Italian Nationalist nation was the best nation instead of Britain, and ultimately the MC got her arm shot off.

>>24928620
I use Querytracker and toss my work to random agents hoping someone will bite. I'll try duosama and chill subs as well

>>24928646

wait if you're actually talking about full-on books, then my advice might not be relevant. I only have experience with short stories and that ecosystem.

Chill Subs does have a "long read" category, but I don't think it's for books.

Will writing help me deal with isolation

>>24928667
no. if you don't like isolation, you seek someone out. Why don't you just go to the local Panera Bread every single weekend and order the same thing. You may get to know a cute girl. Be sure not to ask for her number or a date, because then you may be banned from the restaurant.

>>24927627
I like that it ends with a reminder of the dangers that black Americans face in Trump’s America. Racism can strike at any time.

>>24928667

It will not. It will only make you more acutely aware of it lol.

But... If you share what you write, it might be your bridge out of isolation.

I just watched an old movie with a character named Victoria in it. I had no idea the Victorianon was a bigtime screenwriter back in the '40s

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>>24928687
He helped write a few episodes of the TV show

>>24928306
The “honest criticism” here is useless. If someone did manage to post some genuinely good writing here, people would still find a way to shit all over it in the most vague way possible.

>>24928752
Victoriaanon your story is still cringe.

>>24928752
morons couldn't even recognize classic well known works. I put an excerpt of Once and Future King and people thought it was shit.

>>24928766
To be fair, classics don't mean perfection. I could probably find you portions of any classic book that I love that people could understandably hate on, although I see your point that this may just mean we're literarily retarded

>>24928764
I'm gonna be frank and say I don't even really know who victoriaanon is. I see people talk about him but never see him post.
>>24928766
I posted Vonnegut in here once and people called it boring and trash lol

It's basically a /lit/ classic to post excerpts from the most respected authors of history and watch anons shit on them
There really is not a worse place to get advice than 4chan. Even Reddit is better, genuinely

>>24928932
reddit doesn't give advice whatsoever

>>24928947
So they're winning a hundred times over compared to the retarded, actively detrimental advice 4chan gives

>>24928947
Depends on where/what you ask about. It’s big enough to have enough small enclaves of people who actually know what they’re talking about, unlike here, where it’s been proven a majority of posters are Israeli/indian.

>>24928951
>>24928955
So why the fuck are you here?

>>24928958
To shitpost, dumbfuck
This is a place to hang out. Are you seriously here to improve at your writing? Actually NGMI if so

>>24928958
I like reading what anons write.

>>24928977
this place used to give decent advice then after some shitstorm from discord trannies it fell to complete shit

>>24928981
I'm not an oldfag but I've been here 4 years. It's always been very low quality
I don't even know what discord tranny shit you're talking about. Illuminate us, loremaster?

>>24923997
pls post an example of some purple poetry. or is that just the same thing, but replacing commas with line breaks?

>>24927913
Be specific then faggot. Because all I have is two retards who can’t comprehend a very heavily telegraphed (pretty much spoon fed) scene change, and you echoing that you’re “bored” without elaborating. Do you get bored reading the intro to anything that takes place in a mundane setting?

>>24928997
>Sperging out because he's a shit writer
Classic

>>24928999
I’m merely just asking the same obstinate tards to actually bother to be specific in their critique.
Baiting faggot.

>>24928989
prior to covid, /lit/ barely had 20 posters, and those 20 posters all congregated together with their writings. They shared, critiqued, and made a few headways. Then the crocodile man came, posted his shit, and got shat on, but it was funny. It blew up and now idiots from all over wanted tofind the next crocodile book and shit on it, but instead, these same people now just shitpost

>>24929001
If you think it's bait why are you taking it?
Low intelligence poster = low intelligence author.

>>24929001
it's cringe

>>24929002
Are you seriously saying Frank Gardner single handedly revolutionized the board?
You are mentally ill

>>24929006
he shat up the board by bringing in other retards

>>24929003
Because if you didn't reply to bait, there would be nothing to say in this entire thread. Ever. We are symbiotic whether you like it or not.

>>24929008
4channers by default are retards
Frank Gardner has nothing to do with it
You're just schizo and sucking his dick for some reason
Fuck I just realized, you're him aren't you

>>24929009
Why don't you let the thread die then? You're as bad as the fag baiter

>>24928996
>is that just the same thing, but replacing commas with line breaks?
It is now.

i like the oxford comma

>>24929043
Well I don’t
And your face is stupid.

>>24929033
There's a certain little action you can take to have your cake and eat it too and I should hope you know about

>>24929127
No

>>24922069
is progress or development in writing hard to quantify? over the ten years I have written seriously, I realised that I had periods where I was very myopic to my own work, or how it would be perceived, and stagnated in terms of skill or knowledge; however, no one could tell from my early days that I would be able to publish at a high standard in my chosen genre because I had never shown signs of going in that direction (I was never a genre writer when starting out)

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I like this description.

>>24928997
Mundanity can be beautifully presented. It is not in that piece. The first two pages appear intended to be boring as hell to contrast with the character's more interesting dreamlife. It gives me narrative whiplash.

>>24929001
>I’m merely just asking
The redundancy here only draws attention to the fact that you did not simply ask and instead also got a little pissed off at a valid, impersonal (if not diplomatically presented) bit of critique

>>24929427
I have no idea what's going on but I assume I'm missing some context

Our hero was not one of those Dominican cats everybody’s always going on about — he wasn’t no home-run hitter or a fly bachatero, not a playboy with a million hots on his jock. And except for one period early in his life, dude never had much luck with the females (how very un-Dominican of him).
He was seven then.
In those blessed days of his youth, Oscar was something of a Casanova. One of those preschool loverboys who was always trying to kiss the girls, always coming up behind them during a merengue and giving them the pelvic pump, the first nigger to learn the perrito and the one who danced it any chance he got. Because in those days he was (still) a “normal” Dominican boy raised in a “typical” Dominican family, his nascent pimp-liness was encouraged by blood and friends alike. During parties — and there were many many parties in those long-ago seventies days, before Washington
Heights was Washington Heights,

>>24928316
Holy false equivalence. No wonder you freaks are so reticent about sharing your shit when you're harboring neurotic ideas like this. Get over yourself, your writing is in no way comparable to a loaded gun on your head

>>24929763
pyw

>>24929767
I posted No.24924208

>>24924208
>>24929768
>very
>...or...
>could be.. something else
>pretty silly
>very nice guy
>many veils of secrecy presented too great an opportunity: "What was the curse?"
You have so much filler and exposition, and you tell and tell rather than show, that it becomes nauseating to read. You're still making noob mistakes by making characters sound like wooden dolls who are merely there to advance plot points through robotic dialogue. Go back to the drawing board. I am not invested enough in these characters, who are "pretty silly" themselves, that I cannot continue with a novel of this tripe.

Is 150k words too long for a debut novel?

My novel isn’t fantasy, but it’s literary, and I don’t know if that would raise eyebrows for publishers. And yes, it DOES need to be that length for the story to work, I feel.

>>24929810
Can't you ask ChatGPT? No one here knows any agents nor do they read. Look at how long most debut fantasy novels are, especially the literary ones you want to emulate.

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Once upon a time, I was in a writing group in my city filled with Creative Writing majors. One woman, a crippled librarian who I will not name, got surprised that a horror story of mine was published. She had spent 6+ years studying Creative Writing part-time and has absolutely zero writing credits. She seemed to be stuck in creative writing classes, workshops, and lectures, consuming all that theory and all that knowledge and lingo, but she was never able to get beyond all that. It made me realise that Creative Writing programs are a waste of money and time, and the only thing they produce is overconfident retards who can't even get published. If they actually taught you taste or skills or grammar, then why have we not seen a single Creative Writing major write anything worthwhile? Please save your money and time and work on your craft for free. Money goes one way with writing and publishing: towards the author.
I don't want to gloat over her failure, but I am scared that there are genuinely people out there who think they can lord their degrees over others despite no measure of success.

Where do you find which is the right word to use when? I wanted to writer gooder.

>>24929828
this is genuinely shocking to me, because getting published by some indie shitrag or zine is a numbers game. and doing it for straight 6 YEARS, and not snagging a single little pity publication?? her writing must be objective DOGSHIT.

I despise the vibe of committee writing. it is soulless, standardized slop.

>>24929828
This is strange to me because every creative writing group I’ve ever been in had at least one guy who made it his life’s mission to nag everyone to send shit out to magazines and periodicals

>>24929748
The redundancy was only because I was up at 4 in the morning, I can assure you.

>>24922145
I post my wips but its what you guys woilf refer to as genre fiction so it doesn't get read. People seldom read it on /wng/, either.

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>>24926251
Is this illegal? What do you mean by girl?

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>>24930000
With quads like that you can just make words up such is your power, thoughsoever

>>24930093
Shut up Victorianon. We don't read your genre slop because it's shit.

>>24929016
ok retard by default

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>post something for feedback
>close tab and never look back

>>24922069
Your picrel looks like actual shit

>>24930694
It's representative of the prose here

>>24927004
Chat, what's our thoughts on this?

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>>24923543
best I can do drawing wise, but thanks for the advice. I have difficulty learning from text lol
It doesnt click unless I do or have it explained in person. No idea why.

This drawing is probablu the best I can do and its pretty bad. if graded fairly on a high level it would probably be a failing grade.
BUT
You, me and every other doofus who doesnt know how to into drawing, will think its pretty good.
And really the majority of people are like that. I dont think I will ever write some genius piece, but I aim to entertain. Not be cliche or pandering to a group of people, I just write to make you read something that makes you forget the world exists for a moment.
I reckon the closest I get to some higher artistic point is that I try to trick you into caring about despicable people, cause they are still human and even when I write about a heartless psycho, I hope I can make you care for him/hernonly to slap you in the face with the reality thst the character is really just a heartless pos.
I have stories (1000 words minimum) about
1. Enemies working together for a greater purpose
2. The morality and benefit of Lying.
3. A genuine poweful maniac using people like puppets for his own amusement
4. A guy's thoughts as he walks to the park
5. A happy go lucky guy with his head in the clouds who believes things that are nonsense until they arent

no idea what type or genre this is or what writers are like this, but it is whst I am doing and I am going to continue doing it cause it's fun and I hope I can entertain people with it.

only thing to do is to finish my stories :D

>>24923543
>>24930722
I forgot to mention, I am quite strategic, but in my writing I am very straight forward. I am not at the point yet that I can toy with the reader.

>>24927004
How would you write it?

>>24930731
I wouldn't write it because that author has no ideas. I would simply commit seppuku or find another hobby.

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Challenge mode still thinks I'm a master writer

>>24930714
Chat?

Critique anyone?
https://www.novels2.com/novel/infierno-a-series-of-horror-stories-87998/ed-at-colonus-2657212

>>24930722
Don't expect too much and you'll keep having fun
Isn't that your goal, nederbro?

>>24930734
what's challenge mode?

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>>24930797
Do you use the free version of chatgpt still? upgrade and ask it to critique your stuff with analysis mode or challenge mode, where it stops sucking your dick and critiques more thoroughly with quality in mind

>>24930801
i ain payin no clanka ass robot

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>>24930805
Just admit you are a poorfag who only fell on writing because you had no other options.

>>24930806
lmao, writing is keeping me down actually, i don't even have time for it

>>24930812
Then post tits or gtfo

>>24930751
Asking for others thoughts. What do (You) think?

imagine paying a machine to tell you how much of a good boy you are
you're just engaging in prostitution at this point

>>24930822
Read the story then. >>24930777
I posted it ITT and I think it blows anything anyone else posted the fuck out.

>>24930827
i can give you a 9/10 rating for a small fee

>>24930828
I didn't pay for ChatGPT retard. I used a free subscription.

>>24930834
>I used a free subscription.
>>24930801
>Do you use the free version of chatgpt still?

ehm anon....

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>>24930839
You can get a free trial of the Plus subscription for $0
Do you people even know how to open an email?

>>24930840
why are you trying to sell me some clankware when i expressly voiced a clear disdain of such things
you seem less intellectually capable than your vanity warrants

>>24930847
You don't seem to understand what an LLM is. It's a tool and you probably think it's going to steal your "job" as a writer because you think it's stealing copyrighted material or some horse shit. Just read the story and be awed by my masterly prose.

>>24930851
>It's a useless tool for midwits
ftfy

>>24930855
Do you realise how easy it is to research author interviews or scrape the internet with ChatGPT than using google scholar and a library like an old man? I guess you have all the time in the world because you don't have employment or study

>>24930860
do you realize you're taking this far too serious
your dependance on robots has taken your sense of humor

>>24930862
You're actually stupid, though. You think AI is destroying the heckin' planet or stealing GRRM's Game of Thrones from him. Pure libshit retardation. Next, you'll say there's no water left despite the fact it fucking rains every day.

>>24930866
you made that all up about me, take your meds before going on the internet

>>24930868
Read the story.

>>24930873
i don't take commands, maybe try it on redditsimulatorgpt

>>24930885
You clearly do. That's why you're replying constantly. Post your work.

>>24930892
siloconvalleygenerator has rated my work an 8.8/10 and it means precisely nothing to me

>>24930897
Why don't you post it for the rest of us so we don't think you're a lying faggot?

>>24930900
>we
what you and your robot friends?
what do i care what you think

>>24930906
You keep responding so you must care on some level... Tip for future flamewars: just stick to your guns and don't sound so hesitant. It made me sniff out your ripe ass from the start.

>>24930910
you sound insecure, desperate even, good luck with that

>>24930913
Why are you responding again? All the time in the world, eh. I'm a (((published))) writer and thought this place would have some faggot willing to ream my ass and pump hot loads of cum in me for my manuscript. But you can't even get a willing faggot to come and pound my round for a bit and make me remember why I come to /lit/. But this place has changed. It's just people sitting here not doing anything.

>>24930777
>Read first chapter
Boring.

Here's a tip I learned in a writing workshop with actual agented authors.
>Your first line must have the problem of the book
>Your second line must be the protagonists solution to it
All stories are human problems solved by humans in some way

It's not a rant, it's not some philosophical nonsense, it's not describing the tits of a girl, it's a problem.

>>24930916
>i'm so great me me me i achieved all this and that and my robot friends love me
>if i don't get what i want NOW i will get so super mad guys i swear
have you considered irl streaming as a career

>>24930917
There aren't any chapters. It's a short story.
The problem of the short story is that it's about the construction of power through the mythologisation of violence, which is what the first section is about.
It doesn't have a protagonist.

>>24930921
There still needs to be a problem and not your incel ranting

>>24930924
It's a critique of the distorted worldview of misogyny through the lens of a misogynist.

>>24930921
That's not a problem, that's the theme. Your protagonist is "I". He is ranting about being a incel faggot and his mom. How does any of that connect to the immediate problem of him trying to get his dick sucked? It doesn't.

>>24930929
Did you read the story? What did you mean by chapter? Did you read the first section and make a post about it? I can't really engage with someone who willfully misread what I wrote, because the story is about the subtlety of distorted perception and an unreliable narrator who can only justify his violence through mythology and tropes, e.g., riddling sphinxes.

>>24930927
don't you have to write some pegfiction where victoria subdues barbarian kings with her bbc

>>24930934
I don't know about your e-drama. Can you please just be quiet for one second and try to understand literary craft?

>>24930932
>someone who willfully misread what I wrote
that's the thing, a live audience will read it however the fuck we like (if at all)
we're not robots paid to respond how you like it

>>24930937
A live audience of people who are just glancing over the first section and pretending like they interpreted everything that's there? Not even slush readers do that. They at least read for as long as it maintains interest.

>>24930936
so far I have excelled in literary abilities
just look at these awesome neologisms
>pegfiction
>siloconvalleygenerator
>clankware

>>24930941
I think you're a crab, sadly. It sounds like you don't want anyone to grow.

>>24930932
Nobody cares about all that especially the reader. Everytime the narrator goes off topic which you even write he does, it's complete garbage and can easily be dismissed as incel nonsense. There isn't a problem in the story.

Ask yourself, would you listen to a guy on soapbox ranting about women and how much of a faggot he is? That's what your story is. Everyone would just say the same thing to him.
>Have sex.

>>24930946
>you're not nice to ME therefor you hate EVERYBODY
turns out i just despise narcissists

>>24930934
God why hasn't Victoria anon posted this yet?

>>24930947
Did you even get to the part where there is a murder? There is tension in the story. The guy complaining about sex is just the prelude to the action. I really don't know why it's hard for you to read a 4500 word story that takes, at most, 20 minutes.

>>24930949
Because I am actually published and recognised by authorities in the field and you aren't. My narcissism is justified insofar as I am a good writer.

>>24930954
turns out your best work of fiction was yourself

>>24930955
You really love replying, huh? Maybe go and read my piece and critique it if you are so very mad. It will be cute to see how you try to make sense of literary constructions.

>>24930958
no u

>>24930932
Your s>>24930951
Again the first line needs to be the problem. I can honestly tell you I lost interest after a few paragraphs. All I read was incel ranting. And that's YOUR problem, not the reader's

>>24930959
Come on. Make me gag on your thick, girthy cock and make me your bitch. Come on. Own my holes and devour me with your lust. Do you have what it takes? Critique me and split me in half.

>>24930801
Robots don't know what quality is anon and the whole industry is a scam based on manipulating your emotions to stay engaged. AI-induced psychosis is real. You worship an algorithm.

>>24930961
You didn't even read it, dude. You skimmed the first 300 words at most. Come the fuck on. There are like four explicit murders in the whole story, and the problem is that he blames his mother for his violence. It's not hard.

>>24930965
AI psychosis is for people who already have schizophrenia, numbnuts. You read a headline and jumped to conclusions.

>>24930966
It's your fault for not writing something more enagaing. I tried and got bored quickly.

>>24930966
Exactly.

That means your story needs to start at the murder, not incel ranting. Holy crap is that so much to understand?

>>24930971
It's framed as a confessional. So I began at the confession. It's not hard. Just read the fucking story!
>>24930970
>enagaing
Stroke?

>>24930969
You read an automated text and thought it was something meaningful. You're basically a schizo thinking the CIA is talking through his alphabet soup.

>>24930972
Yes a typo is indicative of a medical condition, everybody knows that

>>24930973
False equivalency. How do you know anything I said isn't machine generated and you have therefore thought it meaningful? You're the schizo now!

>>24930975
Just read the fucking story. It's not hard. Your braincells are all fucked from dopamine flood from porn and video games.
It's like trying to get someone to judge your song from the first 3 seconds that they played through a distortion pedal.

>>24930976
I'm now schizophrenic, quick let me go grab the nearest robot to convince me that I made a literary masterpiece as I try to rack my brain over why a human reader doesn't agree with flawless machine logic (it must be the reader's fault)

>>24930987
>The reader's fault who skimmed the first 300 words and didn't comprehend what was happening on the page
FTFY

>>24930978
Or they just didn't like the song
You think forcing a metal listener to enjoy rap is going to make him enjoy it or resent it more?

>>24930990
Exactly, blame your audience (if you even have one, besides robots).