>trying to find something new to read
>[STUB]
>[STUB]
>[STUB]
>[STUB]
it's all so tiresome

>>24949526
I just put it on a list and look it up later on Anna's if it seems interesting enough.

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>>24949526
Here my bro, I would never stab my story.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story

>>24949526
What would Fang Yuan do in this situation?

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new cover art delivered this morning, I'm so happy bros

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>>24949526
change this from All

>>24949540
Cute.
I'm going to finish my first book soon, and I want some art to celebrate.
Can you do it?
My last bro died.

>>24949526
Stub just means the story was written purely to milk dosh and was never meant to go anywhere beyond that, so you should be glad the author signaled clearly and saved your time.

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>>24949540
she cute

>>24949547
Sure but that also applies to trad pub books and all books on kdp and ku

>>24949572
yes

>>24949547
>Stub just means the story was written purely to milk dosh
Why?

>>24949620
Seems pretty self-explanatory, no?
People write WN's for all sorts of reasons, but if you're taking it to KU and removing your writing from any sort of community you're obviously more motivated by money than anything else.

>>24949498
The title of that book makes it sound like rape oriented romantasy.

any reqs on a story where the MC is immortal (both age & invincible / effectively invincible)?

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>>24949740
Pilgrim by Findley. Not Wanted on the Voyage is better though.

>>24949744
neither of those are web novels...

You can treat this as a hobby or treat it as a business sure.
However if you want to reach the maximum amount of readers you stub and go to KU.
It has more people than RR. Many of them don't use RR and have no reason to.
From their point of view since they are subscribed to KU they already have more litrpg or whatever they're into than they could realistically read in any given month.
The idea that there are free stories on RR is irrelevant to them. They read their buffet on KU, and if it's on KU that means it's higher quality than what's available on RR.

>>24949754
He didn't ask for a web novel and I do what I want.

>>24949547
>>24949744
>>24949758
/wg/ melty

>>24949756
>and if it's on KU that means it's higher quality than what's available on RR.
lol

>>24949763
I didn't write the first one. Are you insecure about reading web novels or something?

>>24949765
now now, KU spends at least $50 on a cover instead of AI genning something

>>24949765
Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, that's how they see it.
In any case KU readers have a higher standard for spelling and grammar at the very least, also need to structure edit etc. RR is basically rough drafts in comparison.

>>24949766
Why would I be insecure about slop in the slop general?
I just don't want the gong farmers around. They should stay in the gong general.

>>24949780
>Why would I be insecure about slop in the slop general?
You tell me. You're the one pretending people are having melties.

>>24949692
Or motivated by having readers, and posting to RR also implies that
Most readers are on KU

I just finished mother of learning and had no idea the main character wore glasses until one of the last few chapters when when an offhand comment was made about him accidently breaking or dropping them or whatever. literally never came up before, although thinking on it I don't think the MC's appearance was ever actually described at any point in the book

>>24949795
Are you coping? You're very insistent about this.

If you care purely about being read what's a ku reader who won't review, comment on our discuss what they've read worth?
My mom reads ku books and she couldn't tell one apart from a hundred others and she almost always just reads the free first books.

I get commercial motives, I don't believe you that pure readership is a motive when you aren't even a distinct author to them

Read this and thought it was interesting.
https://royalroadradar.substack.com/p/the-royal-road-meta-report-the-cozy

>>24949806
>is the one to bring up the talking point first
>I throw in my own counter opinion like usual
>are you coping? you're very insistent about this
the irony literally could not be thicker

>If you care purely about being read what's a ku reader who won't review, comment on our discuss what they've read worth?
KU readers do leave reviews on books, and in large numbers
moreover KU is often how a story gets mainstream traction and starts getting talked about in natural discourse in various communities. and all that happens while the royalroad story keeps its ongoing readers and even picks up new ones from the pipeline. something like beware of chicken gets 100+ comments per chapter still, and going to KU/audio opened it up to easily 10x more readers at a very lowball

it's the obvious next step if you want people to read your story

>>24949816
Almost nothing tagged slice of life actually is
That's my problem with a lot of this. People just lie on their tags all the time

Even fucking scifi gets misused and tagged into fantasy stories

>>24949820
>I throw in my own counter opinion like usual
>the irony literally could not be thicker
You're not smart enough to post like this, you sound 16

>>24949780
>he doesn’t know the lore of the gong

>>24949823
you sound bitter

Shill me on your stories. Bonus points if it's an autistic power fantasy.

>>24949836
it's lotgh with a dash of gundam and newtypes

>>24949944
newtypes = newhalfs = trannies

>>24949947
erm... nyo...

I've spent all year trying to write 100 chapters of a story so I can register it and then publish on Patreon & RR for profit, but I've only managed to write 20, 12 and 3 chapters for 3 separate stories, the first one medieval fantasy and the other two modern setting. I just cant comprehend how anyone can not get fed up writing the same story for years at this point. Deliberate sprawling is a curse, it ruins everything; stories should always go straight to the point and get things over with when there's no point extending an arc...

Having said that, I think I'll just write 40 or 50 quick chapters of a simple, mindless, juvenile and sloppy story like 90% of the trash on RR is, and go from there. No point refining anything to prepare a "best version" for registration since there is no guarantee that anything will bring in Patreon bucks. It's liberating in a way since I already work a dead-end job, and paying a registration fee for every story I conceive is too much for me most of the time.

Dont join the game without a backup plan, boys. Get a dayjob and cherish it. Ideas arent as abundant like those who already made it would have you believe. Writing as a career is no joke!

Opinions on my rant?

>>24950132
>Opinions on my rant?
Sounds like a typical /wg/ rant from someone who doesn't enjoy serials but really wants to make a living as a writer
I can't even truly blame you. Sucks when your passion isn't compatible with making $$$

Best advice I can give is to accept reality. If you hate web serials don't try to write one. The sprawl is literally the selling feature and you clearly despise it. You aren't cut out for this subgenre. So write for enjoyment and set career goals outside of writing.

>>24950132
>Registration fee
>Paying it on every story idea
Lmao at your bait.

>>24950188
I think he meant paying for ads as a 'registration fee' because posting to RR without ads or shoutouts is literally just shouting into the void

>>24950188
not to argue, but you seem to have misunderstood the post youre replying to. What that post specified is:
>write 100 chapters of a story
>pay around $100USD to register
>publish on Patreon and RR
>story gets too little traction/profit or none at all
>Abandon story
>write 100 chapters of new story
>pay fee again
>publish, fail, cycle repeats
The Samsara of writing

>>24950188
>>24950196
>>24950207
*registering at the US Copyright Office (obviously)

>>24950207
You should only be following this cycle if you've written 500k+ words on the low end, more realistically 1000k+, and are willing to gamble on a writing career.
Dropping $100 to prop up an amateur story is crazy

>>24950212
You have copyright the moment you create something. Literally including having a copy on your harddrive. Much less post the story publicly somewhere, at that point it becomes undeniable and easy to prove
Copyright registration is a literal scam that cashes in on paranoid people like you

>>24950196
>>24950207
Looks like one of you is wrong. Besides, you automatically have copyright when you post on RR. This isn't Steam where you have to pay a fee upfront lol.

>>24950229
>Looks like one of you is wrong.
No, you just don't speak English

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>Me when another idea for a story pops into my head and I'm need to register it right away

I've been trying to think of successful 'comedy' tagged stories and I have tried a few recently and they are all shit. I read quite a lot of webnovels and the only ones I can remember working are Ben's Damn Adventure, Tower of Jack and I Am Not Chaotic Evil.

Any NEW comedy webnovels worth checking out that are not mouthbreather tier humor?

>>24950247
Comedy doesn't work reliably in written form imo
I've read some funny scenes that got me good, sure, but even in those same stories half the comedy scenes missed. And they weren't primarily 'comedy' stories
It's a visual artform

>>24950247
>not mouthbreather tier humor
Literally 0. Seeing the comedy tag on recent stories makes me actively avoid them. It's all unfunny, Marvel tier, reddit adjacent 'jokes' the whole way down. Not sure how eastern wns are doing comedy wise right now.

>>24950259
>It's a visual artform
*audiovisual

>>24950223
>You have copyright the moment you create something. Literally including having a copy on your harddrive. Much less post the story publicly somewhere
>>24950229
>you automatically have copyright when you post on RR
Literally how? How can you argue that you wrote/own something in court if you dont have a legal document that ties your work to your legal name, i.e. US Copyright Office registration? What exactly keeps rustlers from copypasting every popular yet unregistered story online with a different title, maybe even in a language that isnt the original, and profit through their own patreons, or signing contracts to make the story a webcomic or even a movie?

>>24950269
>What exactly keeps rustlers from copypasting every popular yet unregistered story online with a different title, maybe even in a language that isnt the original, and profit through their own patreons, or signing contracts to make the story a webcomic or even a movie?
Anon this is literally a "But how can he murder someone, it's ILLEGAL!!!" moment
Big stories get ripped of in a hundred different ways. Literally copy pasted. And make profit. All the time
Please go look at how many billions of downloads pirated software/movies/tv/etc gets. Websites (people) make fucking bank by streaming illegal content

If you're looking for an autistically specific answer and I read into your question too much...
>How can you argue that you wrote/own something in court if you dont have a legal document that ties your work to your legal name, i.e. US Copyright Office registration?
By proving you own the royalroad user account that first posted the story. It's trivial.

>>24950280
Heck, you can even show previous versions of the document and when it was made depending on the text editor.

>>24950188
>>24950229
>>24950245
ESL

>>24949740
RI when it ends

>>24949836
primitive technology but the MC is a wizard and trying to learn more magic while stranded in the wilderness

.

>>24950340
Sounds neat. What spells does the MC start with?

>>24949540
I don't even like anime and this is awesome.

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>>24949540
She's beautiful <3

>>24950132
>I've spent all year trying to write 100 chapters of a story so I can register it and then publish on Patreon & RR for profit, but I've only managed to write 20, 12 and 3 chapters for 3 separate stories, the first one medieval fantasy and the other two modern setting.
Maybe stop trying and start writing. Granted it can be really hard to stay consistent if you have a day job you're also juggling, but you simply make a routine and stick with it and you write every single day. 35 chapters in a year is one every ten days, come on.

Additionally, you don't need to polish so much. Patreon and RR are for first drafts. Then you edit a bit, tidy it up for publication, make your manuscript, and throw it up on Amazon printondemand and fix typos as you notice them. If it gets big enough, you stub on RR and move to KU.

>>24949836
orphan tries to escape extreme poverty and struggle by learning magic
somehow ends up even poorer and struggles even more

How do I create a character? I'm trying to write my first story, but I have difficulty understanding a character as I write one. The character just feels unalive, as in I wouldn't be able to read their mind. It feels like the scenarios I want a character in end up dictating the characters actions, not the other way around. And trying to write a person from scratch is like pulling teeth for me

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>>24950375
Also, the more suffering you endure the stronger you become because character growth = power in my world

>>24950364
>Minor Earthshaping (allows him to shape stone and soil within a set range, costing x mana)
>Salt Alchemy (lets him extract salt from soil/stone)
>Night’s Fulgur (projects an ethereal beam of magic as a method of attack)
he ideally has few spells, since it’s a survival progression/litrpg with heavy emphasis on what semi primitive survival in a litrpg setting might look like

>>24950379
I cannot understand this feeling. Half of my writing stems from dreams where I'm the characters I'm writing. Their feelings feel more real to me than the physical world.

>>24950379
Start with a goal. What do they want? Why do they want it? What will they do to get it? What won’t they do to get it?

>>24950379
I'm playing around with some isekai tropes right now. It left my main character without much agency and I discovered that with all the focus I put on worldbuilding I hadn't really thought much about who he is as a person either. I spent some time trying to give him some more defining character traits before realizing that I could lean into what was already there. Now I'm writing him with anhedonia and asocial tendencies amplified by his being isolated from other humans.

>start a new project
>feel a burst of energy and crank out 3K words a day
>gain new readers thanks to the quick output
>gets fairly good reviews and comments
>the energy lasts about 3 weeks, before depleting
>bored
>abandon the project
>spend the next six months with zero energy before randomly feeling like starting a new project again.
I already put out three webnovels on various sites, all of them abandoned at around the 60K words mark. So I guess I’ll stick with traditional standalone books from now on.
Maybe I’ll publish the first draft on RR and ScribbleHub, then clean it up for KDU. That should be a better fit for an ADD melty like me.

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Is making an utterly braindead, one-track minded and adrenaline-addicted MC the only way to carry a webnovel, or any other type of serial story, to infinity?

The longest running mangas are One Piece, Hime No Ippo and Golgo13, the MCs of the first two are totally brainless, illiterate and even personality-less OP gary sues. What moves them is their love for fighting and an absurdly idealistic optimism/heroism... that's it. I'm being overly simplistic and still I feel like I'm reading too much into their motivations. Goku from DragonBall is another example, no definitive goal (like Naruto who very clearly states that he wants to be the leader of his tribe). They literally are videogame avatars who do not think at all, just do, and get dragged into every dangerous situation the author/player throws at them. Golgo13 is a little bit more level-headed, and yet his motivations aren't any more sophisticated than a simple 'i need money, and all i know how to do is kill... this dangerous lifestyle is tiring at times, but fuck working 9-5, i'll stick to killing'.

As for webnovels, since the longest and most successful are LitRPG, it goes without saying that protags can't afford to/simply do not want to settle down ever and just go on adventuring forever, with no more thought propelling their actions than a simple: "Kill kill kill! Gain XP! Level up! Kill kill kill! Whoops, that villain who used fire as a weapon just got burnt to death in a volcano... seems that things were a little too *HOT* for them, isn't that right Reddit? xd"

This makes me worry about the future of the story I'm writing and will be publishing soon. I'm trying to make an actually human and realistic character who avoids conflict if there's no real reason to engage. He favors surviving above all else so he can come back to his wife and children after going on a campaign or mission, even if a village full of peasants afraid of getting destroyed by a dragon beg him to intervene. He likes fighting, there is plenty of action, he dreads working a pussy-ass desk-job, so he actively seeks violence-oriented jobs... but he simply isn't a Captain Save Everybody, and much less a Captain Save A Hoe-type of guy.

Am I crazy? Did I miss anything?

How do I copy Mahoraga’s adaptation without making it too obvious

>>24950445
I'm terrified on becoming this. I just started getting a reader base as well and I'm terrified because everything after the first 10 chapters is completely up in the air for me.

>>24949816
For something purporting to be based on data, the conclusions are absolutely baseless.
>The market has decided that “LitRPG” is the winner, and “GameLit” is a dated term.
No, motherfucker. "The market" has not decided anything, there's just a prevalence of one tag on Rising Stars over the other. That means nothing. Trying to draw conclusions about what a story is like based on its tags is dumb as hell.

>>24949572
>Sure but that also applies to trad pub books
No it doesn't, because a trad book is a whole, complete package that somebody wrote because they wanted to tell you something whether it sells or doesn't.

>>24950445
>start a new project
>the energy lasts about 3 weeks
>abandon the project
Story as old as time. Why would you do this to people? Do you have no shame?

>>24950462
>Is making an utterly braindead, one-track minded and adrenaline-addicted MC the only way to carry a webnovel, or any other type of serial story, to infinity?
no, having an engaging, continuously developing plotline is.

>>24950463
Are you stupid, son? Barely even hide it so that your readers can go "wow is that Mahoraga? xd"

I had a dream about finding a bottle of "evil alien thinner" and it turned any paint into fleshy goo

>>24950223
>Copyright registration is a literal scam that cashes in on paranoid people like you
Elaborate on this? Not having to pay a cent for paperwork, and still have the ability to defend the ownership of my writing in court (in the USA or otherwise) sounds way too good to be true.
>>24950280
>By proving you own the royalroad user account that first posted the story. It's trivial.
this is good info. please tell me more if there is more to it.

>>24950547
Basically you don't have to register copyright to own the copyright. Especially when it comes to webnovels, you already have the paper trail to prove your ownership of the IP if it ever comes down to it.

>>24950547
Nigga, I promise you, if anyone wants to steal your precious work, they will, and you will never get them to court, no matter how much you pay the kikes

>>24950462
>opinions formed from impressions rather than reading
you have an uncritical mind
your vibes based conclusions are inaccurate
read

>>24950559
to be fair you don't have to get them to court, you can DMCA scrapers pretty easily
they'll crop up like hydra heads afterwards but you CAN DMCA them

I've got an idea for a LitRPG that involves levelling down, so to speak. Is that actually revolutionary or am I just talking out of my ass?

>>24950562
I don't think that ai audiobook site cared about anyone's DMCAs

>>24950563
Spend more than 2 seconds thinking about it and tell me, where do you see that story going?

LitRPG with this vibe: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YXb3UnF4Wlo

>>24949537
>FFF-class
Don't you mean H-class? ABCDEFGH

>>24950556
>>24950559
So you're telling me that Zogarth, Sleyca, and all the other pros making trillions on Patreon and Kindle Unlimited mostly likely haven't registered their millions dollar worth stories; that I could simply copy and paste their stuff on a word document, register it under my name, and effectively make it mine because they never bothered to make it theirs in Uncle Sam's eyes? NO WAY! No way, I don't want that to happen to my own million dollar LitRPG once I'm making big bucks with it, why even bother making a Patreon even?

Oh, and please dont' say the n-word, it is really offensive.

>>24950580
If you have time travel superpowers, sure.

>>24950579
>ZZZ Class Supervillain
>entire webnovel consists of triple praises to putin, russia, and the russian military
>chapter 4 is entirely in cyrillic
>chapter 8 consists of a thousand or so different Orthodox prayers for putin and russia’s victory
>it goes on

>>24950586
That would still read better than the schizo's attempt.

>>24950583
What do you mean?

>>24950580
This bait is growing stale. Please commit suicide already

>>24950580
no, no that's not how it works at all, stop being retarded on purpose

>>24950570
Where any LitRPG story goes? Obviously it'd be a gimmick but depending on the benefits you give on levelling down you could do lots of things with it. Couple of examples would be
>starting at level 0 and can only level down, but negative levels give way more free stats for whatever reason
>starting at level 0 and levelling up as normal, then throwing accumulated levels away to get a starting point
>max-level archmage who finds out he got into the wrong field, so tries to hard reset his own powerlevel but fails to comedic effect
>protagonist gets afflicted with a monsterification curse but tries to regain his humanity by shedding monster levels while gaining a more human sort of strength
And so on. Really not that difficult to make something of it.

>>24950263
>>24950259
Fug, guess it's about time to commence the re-re-rewatchathon of old comedies. I used to be able to find joy in comics and fart jokes. Growing up sucks.

>>24950563
So basically L33t from Worm?

>>24950614
I'm frankly speechless at how dumb this is

>>24950614
only the last one has any legs to it

>>24950601
>>24950603
I'm sorry. I swear I'm not playing dumb. Why would I even do that? Think about it.
I'm legit trying to understand how things work. I don't want to nose dive into the publishing business blind. Please help me understand.

>>24950631
figure it out yourself. you're a big boy
we have a shitposter who practically lives in the thread who makes baitposts on this shit because it never fails to get engagement
hang the whole twitter generation

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>Come up with new story idea
>Start outlining, worldbuilding, making character profiles, etc
>Excitedly bring up that I'm working on a webnovel next time I'm talking to a friend
>"Oh cool, tell me about it"
>Immediately freeze up and realize my story is generic as fuck the moment I open my mouth to explain the premise

I know nothing is ever truly original, but ouch. Currently debating if I should scrap everything and do something different, or just accept that as a new writer on RR my first fic won't do well anyways and post it for practice.

>>24950635
Any tip you or anyone else can give me on making my story popular and not lose the right to profit off it in there future, distant or otherwise, I'll consider it.
No idea why you mention the shitposter (Reverend Insanity guy??) or twitter. wtf...

>>24950641
ideas are cheap
execution is king
if you were excited about it and personally invested that's enough to make your story more worthwhile than 90% of slop. all you have to do now is write it decently well
don't lose your spark

>>24950614
It was already done in "Overgeared". MC got reset to level 1 when he got his class upgraded to "Legendary". Then he failed a quest which lowered his level as a failure condition. But because it was Level 1, it got lowered to Level -2. When he levelled up, he got stats as normal, so he permanently got 30 more stats than he supposed to.

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>>24950641
Refine them bro. No idea is cheap if you put a good reason behind it.

Look at my map, absolutely cheap at a first glance. However after reading my story, even my haters say my worldbuilding is good.

the narcissism inherent to grift culture is so grating

>>24950563
The story I'm working on has this. All the classes/litrpg stuff comes from magical gem cores that get rented out to adventurers and they have to return them after every dive. There's a whole economy around selling the abilities you get from the dungeon to other people. They're also a bidding system where you set your own quota for how many leveling, you're going to get, and if you don't meet it, you're giga fucked - kind of like the Spades. Feel free to steal this, as I am very lazy and will never finish this.

>>24950641
I'm always bad at explaining my stories, because there's so much going on, simplifying it like "X from Y has to do Z" would give a completely misleading impression of it, even if that wasn't technically wrong.

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Now this is proper slop, right in the first chapter itself.

>>24950681
He's but a frog in a well

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>>24950660
I've seen that map before.

>>24950660
Maybe?
No offense, but that's one of the most dogshit maps I've ever seen in my life. I accept that your worldbuilding might be good, but I think it's a lot more likely that your writers are just anime-watching faggots with bad taste.

>>24950699
>that your writers
that your readers*
Bizarre Freudian slip.

>>24950699
you're replying to a lolcow
and no, his worldbuilding is not good

Is this too little stuff for the first chapter?
>Protagonist is a governor of the Western Province
>Barbarians cross the strait
>The protagonist is too cautious to attack the barbarians and asks for reinforcements
>Before reinforcements can arrive, more barbarians cross the strait
>Barbarians start conquering the province
>Protagonist's advisors tell him to fight
>Protagonist instead decides to scorch the Province Capital and evacuate
>Some of his lieutenants defy him and go to fight the barbarians alone
>They get all the troops killed
>When the reinforcements arrive, the commander blames the protagonist for incompetence and relieves him from command
Every time I write the first chapter, people say nothing happens, that might be the case here as well.

>>24950707
How the fuck do squeeze half of that into one chapter?

>>24950707
You could just start with him being relieved of his command and have him asked to explain his decisions.
But the main issue, if there is one, here is that you don't have a hook. That's a whole arc with a resolution, not a tease for the rest of the story

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>>24950681
>>24950683
Spectral Soul is the GOAT. You have eyes but you cannot see Mt. Tai.

>>24950710
By not much visual descriptions.
>>24950711
>You could just start with him being relieved of his command and have him asked to explain his decisions.
I guess my considering the 2nd chapter is supposed to be about his court martial in front of the emperor, it might fit.
>here is that you don't have a hook.
That's a good observation. My working idea was not to directly tell what was happening but to provide clues and use that as the hook. But now that I think of I recall listening to some writing tips that said it's a bad idea for some reason.
>That's a whole arc with a resolution
It's supposed to be a fall from grace, while the rest of the book is about redeeming it.

>>24950698
Wrong, cause all of them are part of the same nation.
>>24950699
See, you have no depth.
You are embarrassed to share your story because you care about appearances, nothing more.
You are destined to fail with this mindset.

>>24950660
classic case of a fantasy map just being britain flipped or mirrored with ireland moved around a bit

>>24950702
A lolcow makes you laugh, not as mad and as bitchty as you are.
>Bad worldbuilding.
Bro, even a coffee machine has lore in my worldbuilding.

>>24950737
my fantasy map is australia

>>24950702
I'm talking to a lolcow?
What, is this guy Chris-Chan? >>24950660
I don't know who the fuck this is. I dislike his map so far, and that's it. What else is there?
I assume you think his writing is shit. Can you explain why? I bet you that I'll agree.

>>24950744
>>24950702
>Talking with himself.
Bro...

>>24949783
>>Why would I be insecure about slop in the slop general?
>You tell me. You're the one pretending people are having melties.
we can't have one damn thread without this, I see

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>>24950745
I bet you think you're God's gift to the universe, and everything revolves around you and your faggot """novel""" that only 10 people--at best--are reading. I don't need to feed your stupid ass ego problem. Grow up and start thinking outside your own little bubble. Stupid faggot.

I'm anti tripfag but I really have no idea who any of the people in this argument are.
Can you each do a little explainer post?

>>24950753
Oh, it's you again.
Get a job.

>>24950731
>By not much visual descriptions.
Is there anything but a blunt list of "this happened and then that happened"? The problem isn't that there's not enough stuff, but that none of it feels like anything when you give no weight to it.

>>24950755
Who?
Yet another example of you thinking the world revolves around you. I don't even know who the fuck you are, but it really is just abundantly obvious you were in dire need of an ego check. Maybe after this conversation you'll stop being so delusional full of yourself, but I doubt it.

>>24950754
FFF. eastern european who thinks he's gods gift to slop. mentally unwell. constantly derailing threads and shilling his garbage story
that's probably it. randomly bringing up copyright law and ever mentioning gong or /wg/ means gongtard is posting. another mentally unwell retard. goes on stereotypical /pol/ rants about jews and posts both here and in /wg/ trying to start threadwars
both of them can't follow a train of thought and will be content to rage reply for hours, talking past whoever they're replying to and generally schizoing the fuck out. if they've managed to trigger each other expect 6~ hours of this shit

>>24950760
Ahem...have you tried using different words or arguments?

Honestly only westoid winnies seems to have this particular fixation on litrpg and nothing else. Eastoid winnie scene from Japan m, Korea and China has their own subgenre that's just as popular like villainness slop, wuxia slop, regret/misunderstanding slop, senki/kingdom building slop, ts/genderbenderslop etc etc. meanwhile on RR it's just litrpg and maybe heroslop

>>24950764
>Ahem...have you tried using different words or arguments?
No, actually. I understand that you're an uppity pussy that think the world revolves around you. I say that for the third time because you're too stupid to internalize it.
This is the first time we've ever interacted. This is the first time I've ever posted in this thread. It's vastly unfortunate that I came across a dipshit like you right away when I'd rather communicate with literally anyone else.

>>24950767
"Villainess slop" exists at about the same ratios as it does in english as it does in japanese desu.
It's just the otome-isekai framing that's less frequent because western girls don't really play as much otome.
If you built a similar character profile those women are probably writing fanfic in english. They have no real need to use a site like RR

>>24950771
But I vividly remember this style of posting.

>>24950773
No.
You actually don't.
What's actually happening is that you're a narcissist asshole, so you'd rather concoct some retarded narrative about how you're being stalked or... I don't know, whatever idiotic scenario you think is happening.
It's just easier on your ego to assume that you have 1 (One) hater, and that's it. It's always this one evil person. Again, because you're a narcissist.
Hey, because you're such an idiot, let me help you out!
I know you're not super intelligent, so maybe read up on some stuff? Check out this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
Yeah, it's a defense mechanism. It's the one you're using right now because you have such a small cock, and such a fragile ego.

Uh oh melty!

>>24950776
>can identify someone isn't worth interacting with
>keeps doing it anyway
stop replying to him retard

>>24950779
Ok.
Sage advice.

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>>24950758
>Is there anything but a blunt list of "this happened and then that happened"?
It's essentially the character reacting to news and making decisions.
The point is to show he ineffective he is while gradually revealing information about the world.

>>24950776
>Small cock.
>Word ego.
Projecting?

>>24950799
This quite about as annoying to read as humanly possible

>>24950851
What do you mean?

>>24950863
it's just the crab poster, ignore him. it's not annoying to read
you do overuse semicolons and colons though. both of those are once-a-page kind of punctuation, you have 5 in this short excerpt

>>24950851
Not them but it's hard to follow who's even speaking.
You do dialogue, a giant paragraph of bloviating, more dialogue from the same speaker, then a back and forth that begins with a new speaker (the second person in the passage referred to as he) whose speech is not set out on a new line, and then you do a rapid back and worth where dialogue is repeatedly interrupted but the nature of the interruption isn't narrated.

The most annoying part as a reader is the overly long mid-conversation backstory dump, it's so padded out.

He can't just not listen to the messenger, he can't listen to the "exhausted" messenger.
It's not if they were true, it's "if they contained even a sliver of truth"
It's not he wouldn't recover from such a blunder it's "Few statesmen... their control."

It's very wordy when you could tax the reader less and keep the impact.

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>>24950247
Look for satire in the Terry Pratchett style. The inhabitants of the world are somewhat self-aware of the tropes of the world.
Murim's Crazy Bitch is pretty good at this at least at first but eventually it just becomes a story about the MC being a murder hobo but even that is part of the satire.

>>24950886
I don't think that's Pratchett-like at all. For one thing it's not particularly funny.

>>24950882
>"No it's not—"
>"You couldn't possibly mean—"
>The air in the thread became thin.
>"It's not at all annoying to read!" Anon gushed, his mind sent spinning like a hurricane. He was nervously anxiously emboldened to open his dry mouth:
>"No, but imagine—"
>"I don't want to imagine!"
>"Reading this kind of writing for over 100,000 words!"
>The truth finally dawned on the clueless moron. It could not happen to him; he had come too far to revise his draft now.
>So many events told with a pacing that dragged this bad would make the very first chapter alone the size of a novella, on top of being unreadably awful.
>"Hell with the critics! It's good if I say it's good!"

>>24950886
Sometimes satire can become that which it's satirizing.

>>24950863
it's fine. bit clumsy
I do think
>The words of the exhausted messenger could not be entertained in good faith.
is a bit annoying
I personally find this use of semi-colons a bit off putting but if you maintain a consistent internal logic within your story I could see myself accepting it as a quirk of style
>Sebac objected; his mind reduced to a whirlwind.
should be linked by a comma rather than a semi-colon because the second clause isn't entirely independent. it's a sentence fragment. which is fine, it's creative writing you can do whatever at the end of the day, it's just a bit fucky to my sensibilities to link a sentence to a sentence fragment with a semi-colon rather than just using a comma like a normal person

>>24950896
this style of dialogue appears in great works of literature and popular slop alike
your whole claim is that it's annoying because you don't personally like clipped dialogue? to try and communicate that you put up a strawman of an aueteur who writes entirely in this style and nothing else. just say you don't like clipped dialogue instead of these spazzy antics to try and act like you're in the right and he's in the wrong
sperg

>>24950894
>exposition dump about why something is the way it is (example: trolls are actually smart in cold weather)
>followed by random slapstick moment
That's pretty much exactly how he writes though

>>24950882
>>24950903
Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, colons and semicolons might be a bit overdone. I usually write rather short sentences, but people often call them clunky, so I tried something longer.
>>24950896
I mean, I wish I could keep this up for 100,000 words. I'm addicted to interrupting sentences, because I don't...I feel like it disrupts a mundane conversation and adds tension.

>>24950912
Are you stupid?
How was your take away from a passage criticizing the pacing that the only problem was the few interruptions at the end.
The overlong descriptions after most of the lines are the core issue but you're just focusing on the one writing term you know the name of and mounting a defense of that when it doesn't apply to the bulk of the passage.

>>24950938
I see complaints about this sorta dialogue pretty often. it's really common in amateur writing to overuse this technique
I think there's a disconnect between reader and author. the author knows the full intent of the scene and conversation so it being interrupted isn't nearly as disruptive as it is for a reader. so the author only senses the pace being disrupted which makes adds a feeling of immediacy and action, but the reader doesn't see the full picture of the scene going in, so their actual semantic interpretation gets interrupted which pulls them out of the story
to clarify, I don't think it's that bad here and I don't disagree with the technique and this approach to dialogue on the whole. but if you're going to heavily use it, I suggest making sure the reader is very clearly grounded in the scene before you start disrupting the dialogue

>>24950944
you dont know what youre talking about. settle down

>>24950884
>giant paragraph
it's like 100 words...
you should have to pass a 9th grade reading test before being allowed to post

>>24951004
nta
>54% of US adults read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level (2025)
That's a lot to ask for, especially considering the context.

>>24950641
Execution trumps ideas. Most people also don't care about that and actively seek something similar to books they previously liked.

>>24951004
We're in a webnovel thread. People read on their phones, you should take that into consideration when styling.
But it also is a giant paragraph given that it's a digression mid conversation

>>24951029
Are tropes more important than execution?

>>24951066
Yes, by a lot
What genre and tropes you are writing is by far the most important factor for getting readers
Brilliant weird fiction gets 1% the views of middle of the pack royalroad numberslop

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>>24950698
If it works it works

>>24951105
What's the difference between tropes and ideas?

[meaningless, time wasting question] posters should be locked in a room and only allowed to interact with chatbots

>>24951186
let's start with you,

>>24951186
chatbots are terrible for bad posters, they just tell them how great they are.

>>24949816
>write strategy, military and kingdom building
Yeah I seriously doubt it. There's something else going on here. Zoomies hate that stuff and think it's boring, doesn't matter if it's vidya, comics, books, movies whatever.

>>24950734
> Wrong, cause all of them are part of the same nation.
Woosh

>>24951115
Ah, yes. Generica.

>>24951066
Not mutually exclusive. You have to execute the trope well.

>>24950763
>FFF. eastern european who thinks he's gods gift to slop. mentally unwell. constantly derailing threads and shilling his garbage story
>that's probably it. randomly bringing up copyright law and ever mentioning gong or /wg/ means gongtard is posting. another mentally unwell retard. goes on stereotypical /pol/ rants about jews and posts both here and in /wg/ trying to start threadwars
>both of them can't follow a train of thought and will be content to rage reply for hours, talking past whoever they're replying to and generally schizoing the fuck out. if they've managed to trigger each other expect 6~ hours of this shit
How does Tina-anon figure into this mess. Call it sheer morbid curiosity on my part.

my MC cultivates the dao of illiteracy

>>24950912
Its easy to be addicted to the semicolon. I try to use it sparingly. That said, I *try* to make dialogue sound like it would be heard, and through text is sometimes difficult. But cutting someone off to talk over them needs some way to express it. I use three trailing periods to indicate that trailed off and the other person talked over. I try to limit it somewhat because while it makes sense at the time, standing back and having a character always talking over another or doing a back and forth of it... can get confusing. As well as does it fit that one character is always talking over another.

>>24951004
>it's like 100 words...
>you should have to pass a 9th grade reading test before being allowed to post
Some WN's have these teeny tiny sentences. I've poked at a few and seen some of these. It can make one think the entire genre is juvenile.

>>24951172
>What's the difference between tropes and ideas?
a trope... MC's wife gets killed. He's devastated and broken. He nails and screws himself back together and slowly begin to extract revenge, and he stops at *nothing*. A story premise as old as time itself, this is a trope.
idea... alien abductions, seem to be more like the things human beings do to other human beings in captivity. Its not aliens, its secret human tests. You base the book on this. This, is an idea.

What currency should I use for poorfags? I really don't want to use muh copper/silver/gold shit.

>>24951275
yeah. it's more of a LN/WN convention
western webnovels typically aren't that extreme

>>24950462
i'm writing a story that doesn't go on forever and the protag settles down with wedding bells in the last chapter. I don't expect it to be more than a 100 chapters or a mindless eternal million words, maybe 80-90k fully told story. Gonna use an ad or two and commit to writing all the way to The End. I don't expect anything more than 10 follows/favs or more than 2k views thoughbit. I just want to get out my story, my final swan's song.

>>24951295
S-tier coins
A-tier coins
B-tier coins
...

>>24951339
no

>>24951295
>>24951347
just use a currency that is self evident and doesn't require the reader to make mental gymnastics. Whoa that loaf of bread is 3 rallods type shi

so I tried reading "first contact" from the recommended list. does it get better or something because it's so unbelievably shit so far. I like the ideas / concept but I can't stand the writing, the way some characters monologue internally about nothing for several paragraphs, the pop culture injection, the "fido good boy" shit, and there's all sorts of spelling / grammar issues which add to the annoyance

>>24951295
(You)s. Here's one. Don't spend it all in one place.

>>24951378
>some characters monologue internally about nothing for several paragraphs
/wg/core
>the pop culture injection, the "fido good boy" shit
redditcore

>>24951295
I like grosz. It's meaty. It sounds good. Obviously it's a mid tier currency thugh.

>>24951378
I think a lot of the series on the 'reading list' are pretty shit desu and are only there because they are older stories that only became popular because there wasn't a lot of choices back then. Though even the RR reviews for First Contact seem to be very split, it's a love or hate kind of wn.

>>24951387
Just looked at it for the first time and there's about 10 things on there I wouldn't recc.
Some others like primal hunter and worm that I'm not a fan of but feel like you should be aware of since so much of the WN space is inspired by them.

>>24951295
Dip into the well of autism and come up with actual realistic coinage for whatever country/region it is. It's not that difficult, just look at historical ancient coinage and what it was made from.

>>24950641
Don't feel bad, I figured that out at a convention that I had no zippy one line explanation. Lost like three sales to that shit before I workshopped something.

An elevator pitch for a story is something you have to come up with deliberately.

if a society developed inside of a structure the size of the solar system, with no 'windows' outside and no idea that they were contained inside of it, no history of the structure, no indication of an end to it, etc would they inevitably realize it or would it require them exiting it / obtaining some information explaining the wider universe?

>>24951425
do you realize how big the solar system is anon?

>>24951428
yes

>>24951425
They would eventually figure out the structure exists and start wondering if there is something on the other side.
I know they would because 2000 years ago people were thinking about stuff like the arrow paradox.

How do you prefer your stats in LitRPGs? Every time I see stats in the quadrupal+ digits I immediately start tuning them out, because my TTRPG autism starts wondering what the normal human standard is supposed to be and how much difference in ability a single point is worth. And then 99% of the time there is no scaling or explanation for stats at all, they're just random numbers meant to make you go "Ooh, big number good, number go up".

I personally prefer smaller numbers, up to 100 at most, with a clear scale between what the baseline can do and what a maxed out stat can do. I'm also warming up to letter-grade stat systems too, where they just delineate stats by a rating from A to F and such, but my autism starts acting up again if they use + or - with it.

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>>24951435
none nigga
if you have to do stats 'tism, just give everyone a power level

>>24951435
>>24951448

>>24951295
Labubus.

Anyone got some xianxia recommendations? I would prefer western ones.
I've tried Cradle and Ave Xia Rem and didn't like them. I did like He Who Fights With Monsters, The Storm King and Beware of Chicken (it eventually got boring though).

I've also read ISSTH, Martial World, True Martial World and a whole bunch of other eastern ones. Haven't tried A Will Eternal though, but I'm afraid that eastern stories won't have enough character interactions.

>>24951425
They'll claim they're inside an hourglass carried on the back of a beaver

>>24951506
>Regressor's Tale of Cultivation
>My Longevity Simulation

>>24951506
Reverend Insanity
>I'm afraid that eastern stories won't have enough character interactions
RI has the best character interactions and side characters that I've ever seen in a webnovel

>>24951425
Eventually they would realize it. We are in the same position with the Schwarzschild Radius and the size of the universe and we've already had this idea.

Explanation: a black hole is formed when things become dense enough. The Schwarzschild radius is the size that you would have to compress an object into to create a black hole. Eg if you compressed the Earth to be smaller than 9 mm radius (18 millimeters across) you would generate a black hole.
The Schwarzschild radius for the entire universe is about 13.7-14.4 billion light years - almost the same size as the observable universe. Because of this since people wonder whether our universe is inside of a black hole.

>Think about how the universe will eventually end because of entropy in some form or another
>Get anxiety
>Think about how people used to think the universe would just last forever and ever
>This concept also gives me anxiety
What causes this

>>24951529
existential gun

>>24951526 continued
The structure would give off some clues that it's there. Maybe life reflects off of it in some way or it creates a gravitational pull that eventually shows up on measurements. Something would likely give it away that such a structure is there.

Physicists are extremely good at picking out slight anomalies and extrapolating a lot of data from it. The way we detect planets around distant stars is that we basically turn a powerful telescope on the star and when we see a periodic slight dimming of the star we can conclude that it's a planet orbiting said star. With a bunch of math you can tease a lot of information out of it.

The ancient Greeks were able to calculate the size of the Earth to within a ~10% error by measuring the shadows of deep wells and the distance between them (in different cities).

So yes, the structure would eventually be discovered.

>>24951529
We are eternal like the universe and it's up to you whether to enjoy it or hate it.

>>24951550
Light reflects off the structure*, not life

>>24951529
>>/x/

Which site has the worst community? Like if I want to fight commenters where do I go?

>>24951526
Bullshit. We don't know the mass of the universe anywhere near precisely enough to calculate its schwarzschild radius, nor do we have any real idea of its size. Only earlier this year we had to revise the estimates of the Milky Way's distance to other galaxies by a few hundred million lightyears and realized the expansion of the universe isn't actually accelerating but slowing down. There's so much errors and guessing involved

>>24951564
royalroad and spacebattles

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>>24951564
webnovel.com
They have comments per paragraph

>>24951506
Gu Zhen Ren goes hard

>>24951564
SB is probably the best community for getting positive engagement but it also has the biggest cunts too. You could get either.
RR's negative commenters are more inspid.

>>24951564
Royal Road. Yet another schizo had a meltdown about PEDOPHILE RAPE in my story comments, because of very mild banter between characters. Why do they always have a furry avatar? Every fucking time

>>24951576
tsukkomi style comments are fun

>>24951583
Furries and troons are hyper-sensitive to that stuff because they are used to watching their own words (outside their grooming discords) so they don't caught.

>>24951435
Numbers should go up to 10 at most, with each level actually being individually recognizable in some way---at least for some of the skills. Some skills could evolve, making it an effective level 20, but keep that to a minimum.

I really liked how 'So I'm a Spider, So What?' did it for some skills, especially the "Identify" skill. Each level brought a little something; the walls had more text, some new things popped up in the HUD, etc hence adding more lore. Each magic level gave a new spell.

>>24951506
>I would prefer western ones.
Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor is written by a Harry Potter fanfic author

>>24951583
To be fair, didn't you say she was 15? Which defense do you prefer? That's not the definition of pedophilia or that American age of consent doesn't apply because of a reason? Such as that you live in a country where it's 15 or lower, or because modern US law is irrelevant?