sansa editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>24922194
First for Rhaenyra and her cute son!
>>24949686Name a more based king
>>24949686Do you think GRRM runs a tube up his ass to provide additional calories or did he get that fat by strictly mouth feeding alone? Follow up question:What percentage of his brain has been replaced by fat and why is it all of it?
>>24949698Can’t imagine Osha would have wildlings ceremony with her husband, Rickon?
>>24949786Rickon will be married to the daughter of some of the Skagosi houses unfortunely
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>24949686So it really is 100 threads, huh? >>24949688
>>24949705Orys II
>>24949698>The gooey warm sensation inside her and the sordid knowledge that it was her own beloved son who was emptying his baby-making batter inside her brought Rhaenyra to her own orgasm a moment later, as she shivered and gasped against him, grinding her pelvis against his as he continued filling her.>When their mutual orgasm died down, she collapsed atop him with a long sigh, planting kisses on his shoulder. They said nothing for several moments before she ran her fingers through his brown hair. “Luke…are you alright?”
so uhh its not gonna happen huh
>>24950439Whats the ao3 fanfic this is from again?
Happy 100 threads anon. Post your favourite passageEuron stood by the window, drinking from a silver cup. He wore the sable cloak he took from Blacktyde, his red leather eye patch, and nothing else. >When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly," he announced. "When I woke, I couldn't . . . or so the maester said. But what if he lied?">"Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower?"The wind came gusting through the window and stirred his sable cloak. There was something obscene and disturbing about his nakedness.>"No man ever truly knows what he can do unless he dares to leap."
>>24950684Not So...Perfect
>GRRM bristled at that. "I defeated your idol Tolkien and his The Rings of Power(TM), the first time your Middle Earth came to television. I procrastinated the Winds of Winter against the power of Bantam Books for 15 years, and took HBO’s primetime spot from the Romefags. I smashed JK Rowling at the 2001 Hugo Awards, though she had twenty times my fans. Tell me, /grrm/, what battles has Brandon, son of Sander, ever won that I should fear him?
>>24950752I tried to get into Cosmere but the whole multiple planets thing feels so fucking dumb, couldn't make it through the first quarter of Way of Kings.
Second in her name, daughter of Aerys II and sister of Rhaegar Targaryen (Dany who?)Founders and Duchess (Doge) of Maegoroma/Maegorthage (Axe, Esso northwest -https://files.catbox.moe/envveo.jpeg)Princess of Dragonstone (claimant)Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men (rightfully)Lady of the Seven Kingdoms (rightfully)Protector of the realm (rightfully)
What's your favorite sex scene from the books?>inb4 pink mast
>>24950856Dario railing Daenerys in every hole all night long.
>>24949705Unironically Bobby
>Visenya Targaryen
>Maegor Targaryen
>Aenys I Targaryen
>Septon Barth
>Alyssa Velaryon
Jocelyn Baratheon
>>24950856Arys and Arianne for me>"Touch me, ser," the woman whispered in his ear. His hand slipped down her rounded belly to find the sweet wet place beneath the thicket of black hair. "Yes, there," she murmured as he slipped a finger up inside her. She made a whimpering sound, drew him to the bed, and pushed him down. "More, oh more, yes, sweet, my knight, my knight, my sweet white knight, yes you, you, I want you." Her hands guided him inside her, then slipped around his back to pull him closer. "Deeper," she whispered. "Yes, oh." When she wrapped her legs around him, they felt as strong as steel. Her nails raked his back as he drove into her, again and again and again, until she screamed and arched her back beneath him. As she did, her fingers found his nipples, pinching till he spent his seed within her. I could die now, happy, the knight thought, and for a dozen heartbeats at least he was at peace.
>>24950947I always seduce Jocelyn Baratheon when playing ck3agot and have her produce babies for me. Aemon is forever cucked.
To celebrate the 100th thread, I invite you all to play a little game with me.>go to https://gameofthronesfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Fanon_Wiki>Under the "Explore" dropdown menu, pick random page>Return with something funnyHerys Radden>Herys was born in 285. It is not known how his parents. Its thought that his mother died in childbirth, and his father of an illness.>He was quickly sent away to live with Stannis Baratheon, with the hope he would train him at his court.>...he was still kind, and hated the thought of people being in pain.>In 'Breaker of Chains' Herys walks with Shireen to Ser Davos, talking about Dragons. Herys takes the stance that they fled to the far east, while Shireen believes they still live in Summerhill, and other abandoned places. On reaching Davos Herys and Shireen say goodbye, with both blushing. This is the second indication that they could be in love at this stage. >Herys plays with Shireen, and even look over her shoulder to see what she is reading. Shireen looks at him and Herys makes her laugh. He then does something unexpected, and kisses her. He blushes and looks away, but Shireen kisses him back. They giggle and Davos comes in and gives Shireen the wooden stag. Davos acknowledges Herys, and he him. When Stannis comes in, Stannis asks him to wait outside, which he duely does. After Shireen and Stannis come out, Herys walks with them. The moment Shireen is grabed, Stannis grabs Herys hands and whispers 'You are a soldier. Act like one.' Herys is confused, and is lead out to where Shireen is put on the pyre. She cries out four names. Mother, Father, Davos and Herys. Herys is starting to understand what is happening. He tries to turn away, but Stannis forces him to watch, saying 'I have no heir. But I have a boy, and by the Gods, I will not make you weak.' Herys screams in tears, beign forced to watch the burning of the girl he was in love with.
>>24950925>book accurate VelaryonCount me in!
>>24950925Damn, zoomers really have no taste in women.
>>24950902
>>24950856Ygritte getting BLACKED by the black bastard of the wall.
>>24950870Luv Emilia!
WOW this thread is fucking shit
>>24950902Amber Heard is Visenya
>>24950986How does one find themselves a sexy spaniard seductress?
>>24950729I think they deleted it, fuck
THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE MINIONS OF FEVRE RIVER
100 threads of /grrm/? Here’s a little blast from the past from the /tv/got/ days.>https://vocaroo.com/1oAadeMoX4Wn
>>24951523neat
>>24951523I love you
Why is asoiaf discourse so gynocentric when the series is the opposite? Robb wouldn't even trade Jaime for both of his sisters.
>>24949686And what of the books, Georgie? Words are wind but Wind is also wind until you put the words in Wind. Perchance, Nuncle, you will see the hour is late and the walls close in and the time runs out like sand in an hourglass because that’s what it’s for. Much like you are for writing the words of Wind. The more I wrote the more I shat. Perhaps so also you, Nuncle. Give me something for the pain and let me die.
>>24949705He saved the Kingdom his father forged. Aenys and his young sons were going to let it all fall apart. His contributions are not mentioned enough.
>>24950717Is that kid in the pic supposed to be Euron or Bran? Or is Euron future Bran?
>>24951214Based
Sweaty sex with Asha Greyjoy
>>24951177No>>24951376She looks nothing like that anymore>>24951423Merry christmas https://archiveofourown.gay/works/42727560/chapters/107339226
I think today’s the day. 20 years. I officially don’t care anymore about this series. Bye
>>24952524You're leaving?! We have HBO Duncan Egg show on the horizon followed by Hot Dee show and you're leaving?! DON'T LET THE FUCKING DOOR HIT YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT, CHUD!
>>24951376Didn’t she poop on the bed sheet?
>>24952214We know Viserys
I'm afraid they will ruin Dunk & Egg :(
>>24950902alternative option
The WHOOOOOOORRRREEEEEEE is PREGNANT VISEEEERYYSSSSS
Sex with Visenya
>>24949705Aenys I whose ability to have sex and make kids caused Maegor seetheJaehaerys I who bested Gaegor and sired 13 children.
>>24953758How would you imagine it would be?
>>24954106>Aenys I whose ability to have sex and make kids caused Maegor seethe>literally all his children were Velaryon bastards>Jaehaerys I who bested Gaegor and sired 13 children.>sat and cried in hiding while Maegor was saving the realm>couldn't keep his bitch spawn in check>absolutely bitchmade by his wife>trusted tower niggers directly setting up the dance of the dragons
>>24954237> literally all his children were [headcanon]> sat and cried in hiding while Maegor was saving the realmEscape from Maegor at 10 years old only to literally do what Maegor couldn't with the might of Balerion before he killed himself due to his own impotence. Also created the longest and greatest period of peace of the Targaryen dynasty of Maegor's chimpout, including pacifying the Faith. Maegor was impotent in both his rule and his manhood.
This new captcha is more tedious than reading Dany chapters.
>>24954418Mr. J do it for free?
You ever notice how much rarer it is for female SIs to have kids than male SIs?
>>24951633Most fanfic writers are women and most men don't read at all
>>24951633>Why is asoiaf discourse so gynocentricis it?
>>24955234>SIsSergeant Instructors? Small Intestines?
Aryans and baraths lol haha
>>24951633>Robb wouldn't even trade Jaime for both of his sisters.Because a woman's value is either in the kitchen or on her back.
>>24955327SELF INSERTS SARN'T!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGm2x8T0PBQ
>the guy who killed Catelyn at the Red Wedding was Raymund Frey>character never mentioned before or since>the first R in grrm's name stands for Raymond >Raymond = Raymund>grrm crated his own self-insert meta character through which he committed the Red Wedding And I learned this now after however many years of being in ASOIAF community. Instead of pointing out interesting shit like this all these fags talk about are retarded theories such as Tyrion is Mad King's son or who wrote the Pink letter. Unreal...
>>24956198men are better cooks and lovers
I am so fucking BOREDYOU GET ISEKAI’D TO WESTEROS OKAYWhat kingdom are you born toWhat lesser/greater house are you born to What magic do you have (idc how)Who do you romance? (be creative it’s your isekai)
>>24956914>Who do you romanceBig bushy red head wildling with big red bush above and below
>>24949686why did americans accept the renaissance themed rape pornos flat assertion of realism despite the armies teleporting around the world and how no one in the book even pretends to believe in their religion
>>24950856the reason rape rape cant finish the books is the whole series built up to the cuck scene where greyjoy watches bolton rape sansa. why would the plot of a porno continue past the finale
>>24949705Aegon IV, who with one action on his death bed completely fucked an entire kingdom over just to spite his son. What a guy. The very last thing he could do before dying, as his bloated decaying flesh laughed itself to death.
>>24950717I was so obsessed with book Euron in my teenage years, thinking he was the coolest, most diabolically awesome villain ever written. He had this air about him, like he sold his soul yet it meant nothing since he never had any humanity to begin with. A charming eldritch apocalyptic nightmare that knew all the secrets in a cryptic world. I've grown out of that obsession and I recognize that this series really isn't that deep. But I still remember that feeling, and I wish I could get it back. Yeah, I'm a huge faggot.
>>24957027euron is cool man, nothing faggoty about liking him. faggoty shit is cutting your dick off and watching drag races and painting your nails black
>In ancient days, the god-emperors of Yi Ti were as powerful as any ruler on earth, with wealth that exceeded even that of Valyria at its height and armies of almost unimaginable size. - The World of Ice and Fire - The Bones and Beyond: Yi TiAll that and still no gunpowder...
Rereading combined feast and dance right now after impulsively rereading the second half of Storm. Man so many of these early chapters are straight up pointless and could be condensed to make 1 snappy chapter out of 2-3 aimless ones. Bran first chapter ADWD literally nothing happens. They talk about whether to trust Coldhands then decide to trust him. Davos I is absolutely meaningless. Jon and Dany repeat the same beats ad nauseum. I was so glad to see my boy Theon show up. Actually really liking Tyrion hanging out with griff’s lot, shame the rest of his story sucks
>>24956914Da NorfHouse StarkOld Gods magicSansa
>>24954261>only to literally do what Maegor couldn't with the might of BalerionJaehaerys was only successful because of Maegor. He played nice so others didn't feel forced to rise up against him, but he constantly used the dragons to threaten people with a repeat of the Maegor experience if they got uppity.
So, are Bloodraven, Rhaegar and Daemon just Elric?
>>24949686Isn't it weird that the hook of the series is about a war, but the War of the Five Kings is basically background activity? Martin is obsessed with showing the impact of the war, but he doesn't even do that properly.I guess the real question is what does the fat man want to say with ASOIAF?
>>24949686BUILT for getting hounded
>>24952244>https://archiveofourown.gay>>>>.gayHuh?
>>24951523KINOOOOOOO
>>24958520>what does the fat man want to say with ASOIAF?That incest is pretty hot but ultimately not worth it
>>24957759Yeah, Maegor's impotent retardation made Jaehaerys look good in comparison. Also Maegor's impotence ensured there would be no succession crises for the retarded line of Visenya.
>>24957759You are arguing with someone who paints his nails, don't take the bait.
>>24958733if the Hound fucked Sansa literally no one would protest.
>>24956914ASOIAF video games about isekai Viserys III, gameplay using nemesis system
>>24958117Elric is cool.
>>24958117Elric truly is eternal.
>>24959358Even claymore mog live action Witcher
New captcha is fucking dogshit
>>24959606At least 4chan fans get new captchas. Asoiaf fans don't get new anything..
>>24959606it's way faster than the last one
I wish I was a Targ during one of the peaceful eras. Imagine all your 13 year old edgelord magic ubermensch fantasies but actually true. I would be such an unbelievably pompous piece of shit that it actually boomerangs and contributes to the doctrine of Targ divinity because only a demigod could be such an insufferable prick.
I wish i was a Baratheon during one of the war eras, imagine smashing in a targshit's breastplate with your warhammer and feeling his entire ribcage crunch inwards while his gay purple faggot eyes bulge out and he goes ACK!
After reading through all of the history and looking at modern westaros, I've come to realize that targaryens really aren't that interesting. Honestly nothing in westaros is as interesting as the shit that happens in bravos and pentos Every house in the North has basically never done anything of note other than fight ironborne, each other, and wildings I dunno why anyone sucks then off. Ned is literally the most accomplished Northener in like 1000 years and he got mogged by cerci because he's a fucking mouth breather. The storm lords have basically been cucks since targs buck broke them, with Robert being a reincarnation of Orys Baratheon and Jon Arryan being a literal master planner. Dorne is literally a bunch of useless sand people that spend all day larpingEveryone in the reach just spend all day fucking and sucking each other and have barely changed history at all and don't even matter Iron islands literally have not been significant since the dawn of targs either Everyone in the westerlands has been a literal fucking joke until tywin And the riverlands have never mattered at all anywhere Westaros is literally the definition of >Nothing ever happens It's actually crazy that Robert by himself in a year was able to force shit to actually move after 300 years of nothing ever happens
>>24949686Everything being static in ASOIAF sucks.And I'm convinced it's only because Martin is lazy.E.g. every time something important happened The Vale was ruled by a child and his regent mother, because Martin just copypastes Lysa and Sweet Robin to any time period.
>In one room, a beautiful woman sprawled naked on the floor while four little men crawled over her. They had rattish pointed faces and tiny pink hands, like the servitor who had brought her the glass of shade. One was pumping between her thighs. Another savaged her breasts, worrying at the nipples with his wet red mouth, tearing and chewing.
>>24960720Did he write this after watching that Blender 3d goblin gangbang animation?
>>24959606Could be worse, 900 second of page.
>>24949686Do you guys like superhero fiction like GRRM's Wild Card series? I want to get into the genre because there's heaps of magazines that call for it.
What's his endgame?
>>24956914NorthStarkWarghot wildling with thick ginger minge
>this is the realm's first line of defense against the othersIt has never been more over for westeros.
>>24959351>terrible art, as usual...
>>24960942i will never read wild cards out of principle
>>24961658i will never read wild cards out of spite
>>24960594B A S E D
>>24961798Thank essoi free cities doc
>>24960583Tranny-coded>>24960594Incel-coded
>>24957695>>24961383Da Norf fucking sucks. Their magic also sucks. “Dood woolves and treees n’ shieet”. Boooring.
>>24962090>t.andal chud who got his village raped and pillaged by theon Stark
>>24958733I think you mean SNOWED
>>24961347Church state.Without dragons easily wiping out whole sects of retarded 7 worshippers, they can easily get enough people to rule all of westaros under holy sept total rule.
>>24962395*BLACKED
>>24962420I don't get why the citadel and fot7 are separate when they're from the literal same town. Greyrats should be a religious order instead of a secular one.
>>24962429You're right. I don't even understand how the two co-exist with each other since fot7 is literally filled with religious fanatics who view anything and everything as an affront against the gods. And maesters literally practice necromancy and demon magic Chalk it up again to bad writing
>>24962436>since fot7 is literally filled with religious fanatics who view anything and everything as an affront against the gods.Yeah, and this is compatible with the mainstream view of the Citadel towards magic and dragons as a net negative>And maesters literally practice necromancy and demon magic Marwyn and Qyburn are radical outliers and are not the mainstream.
>>24962440The only difference on Qyburn and other maesters is that he uses living bodies while most maesters use the dead to practice >The citadel views magic as a negative They literally have a chain for when you decide to study magic, made of Valyrian steelMaester Luwin has oneEven though he said it's all bullshit
>>24962451>They literally have a chain for when you decide to study magic, made of Valyrian steel>Maester Luwin has oneThe point of studying magic is to humble yourself into realizing magic isn't real. It's why the final challenge to graduate as a maester is to light a glass candle and fail, because magic isn't real and to accept that magic isn't the source of the Citadel's power- it's an enemy of it.
>>24962463Which again is retarded since Peremore Hightower founded the citadel with alchemists and wizards and Qarth, Asshai and Yi Ti are filled with warlocks. They don't even believe that it doesn't exist. They simply believe that it just went away after the doom of valyria. Which again is also a retarded belief because how can a force of nature go away only after 300 years. Especially since apparently Wargs are a semi-known thing in westaros and that's also literally magic. >Here are all the records of magic happening and all of its instances in history >But btw it's not real lmao Not even going to mention the fact there's a giant fucking ice wall or fire breathing lizards
Who is the Epstein of Planetos?
>>24962486>>24962463>>24962436>>24962429GRRM is atheist and an institutionalist. He despises Christianity (but won't criticize Islam), but worships universities and their ivory tower culture. This is why maesters tend to do no wrong, while septons are bumbling idiots and conniving grifters. He either remained boomer ignorant of Scholasticism, or he willfully rejects Scholasticism. Fot7 is hypocritical and will only oppose foreign elements they cannot control. Citadel focuses so much on routine knowledge to maintain the establishment they have no time for pursuing new knowledge. This is oddly the only thing GRRM gets right about higher education, but I chalk it up as just an accident on his part and not any observational criticism of IRL universities.
>>24962429>>24962436I know this sounds like christcuck babble but it's because GRRM is an American liberal man. He was a conscientious objector during Vietnam, he's compared his dragons to nukes in interview. Up until the pendulum swung in 2016, American liberals viewed religion as dying regressive force that was on its way out. They aren't exactly wrong for this, modern American evangelicalism is pretty explicitly anti-science. The issue is liberals/normies retroactively applying this to prior eras where the Church was oftentimes the biggest sponsor of learning institutions. Christian scriptorums, Islamic houses of wisdom, etc.Additionally GRRM is pretty well known for taking [historical thing] and then chopping it down to the barest essentials needed to make it fit his worldbuilding. The Ironborn being a child's misconception of viking culture, the Dothraki being a caricature of Mongols, the ridiculously oversimplified feudalism of Westeros.Combine the two and you have "oh yeah during the Dark Ages all the scribes were priests or monks or something like that? But I also have a general disdain of religion. So I'm gonna have my totally-not-the-Catholic-Church split off the learning side of things into a separate institution." So even though they're both in Oldtown, the monastic monkhood of learned scribemaxxers are, like, totally a separate thing from the religious guys down the street and to the left.
>>24962671>Citadel focuses so much on routine knowledge to maintain the establishment they have no time for pursuing new knowledge. This is oddly the only thing GRRM gets right about higher educationThis is a pretty odd thing to claim when we're living during the 0.1% of human history where nations are explicitly aware of how powerful leveraging the benefits of active goal-oriented research can be. For the past several thousand years up until around three or four centuries ago science was literally just some rich eccentric guy deciding he wanted to cook different types of substances together to see what exploded hardest or burned brightest or gave eternal life.
>>24962693I think you misunderstand my point. Academia right now is temporarily insane, a 100-year blight in a 400-year run. There still are breakthroughs going on in the very hard sciences, but at a far slower pace than the research back in the first half of the 20th century. Most bachelor degrees now are going to women posting on tiktok or abusing children in public school. Bike lock professor represents the University of California. Most university budgets are funneled towards NCAA. Colleges care more about making women feel better, political programming, or feeding sports. These are all banal, not simply mundane, pursuits to maintain a status quo of our society.Maesters spend most of their time mailing letters, caring for ravens, managing the finances for their lords. They are maintaining the status quo because that's the only money available for them to make use of their skills. All those chain links on maesters is only used for banal services, not advancing technology and the well-being of the common people.You don't think it's strange that Westeros has been the same feudal iron age for thousands of years the entire time The Citadel and its maesters existed? The Citadel started as an academy to further knowledge, but it quickly got derailed to maintain the power of feudal lords in what GRRM has straight up compared to the Holy Roman Empire, a quite stagnant entity. Either GRRM is too incompetent and cannot write a university to save his life, or he lacks just enough introspection to not realize that he reproduced his own college experience, with all the problems of current year academia, in his fiction. To say he's exercised a criticism of today's universities is giving him too much credit.
>>24962704>Most university budgets are funneled towards NCAAUh huh...
>>24962704Iron is actually relatively new to westaros. If anything it's actually regressed since the dawn of heroes I think he's trying to show that it's basically a dark age for the world
>>24962704100-year blight in a 400-year run?>Penicillin>Nuclear power>The computer (you) are using right now>Speaking of computers, all the circuitry, boards, chips, the Internet>Space travelAll within the past 100 years. Just look at the shit companies like TSMC are doing to make the next generation of chips, it's modern wizardry. Gene sequencing was in the 70's or 80's iirc. Imagine going back 20 years and showing your parents 3D printing systems from today, it would blow their minds.>Fantasy setting is experiencing Medieval Stasis[TM]? That' actually connected to DEI and Tiktok thots bringing science to a stop! This is your brain on /pol/
>Reek, Reek, it rhymes with smeek
>>24962725If I had meant the last 100 years that would imply the blight ended in 2025. We're still in the 100-year period where priorities are fucked. Communists infiltrated colleges in the 1960s, the same decade GRRM entered college. Count forward 100 years from 1965, the progress has visibly slowed by 2015, 50 years later. If you actually read my post, you'd have read I said breakthroughs still happen, but they happen less frequently now compared to back then. 3D printing is the only thing you actually named as an innovation of the past 30 years.>Just look at the shit companies like TSMC are doing to make the next generation of chipsI hope you meant to connect university doctors as making those breakthroughs at TSMC, because that's a private corporation that aligned its incentives with vital technological innovation. You are aware Nvidia is sloshing around $2T in roundtripping because business degree majors figured out the infinite money glitch, right? We have a memory shortage because of the AI data center bubble, and Elon is telling is AI will solve homelessness but he won't say how.>showing your parents 3D printing systems from today3D printed guns are a powerful equalizer, but most college students want to ban them without understanding they would have to ban 3D printing entirely as enforcement>This is your brain on /pol/What are you defending, exactly? I don't think you know enough about technology for how personally insulted you feel that I said colleges are not as good as they used to be.>>24962716pic related>>24962719Westeros had iron for at least 4000 years. Maester Denestan's claim of 2000 years has no consensus nor corroboration, and doesn't leave much room for the expansion of Valyria before its conflict with the Rhoynar. The Andals have to get iron from the Rhoynar first before the Rhoynar introduce iron to the Valyrians (Where else would Valyrians learn it if the Rhoyne is the path of least resistance compared to Ghis?) Then the Valyrians have to master steel to invent their own Valyrian steel. IRL, the Iron Age began in 1200 BC. 4000 is a pretty early start compared to 3200.
Why hasn't the North invented the congreve rocket
>>24962436I'm also surprised there isn't mass claims of heresy against the North or Iron Islands
>>24962953I think the Targ conquest and subsequent buckbreaking of the Fot7 into its current disarmed state probably interrupted any further efforts at spreading >>24962684 is right that religion in the series is treated like an American would see it today, its why nobody gives a shit when Ned builds a sept for Catelyn, the same way your average leftwinger in the US doesnt mind a mosque, a church and a synagogue being all next door to each other, to grrm it doesnt even enter his mind as a source of massive conflict. Compare to shit like the Hussite Wars or actual crusades and jihads. The north + IB's histories for the thousand years before the Targs arrived should have been them fighting nonstop wars to defend themselves from Andal crusaders trying to finish the Conquista by eradicating the last heathen kingdoms on the continent
>>24950856The Soiled Knight unironically titillated me while reading it. None of the others did.
>>24950902>>24953242Visenya was voluptuous unlike either of them though.
>>24962090North is comfiest region, Starks are best house. luv me norfluv me starksluv me puppers simple as
>>24955300Yes. r/asoiaf is where most of the normies are and it is 100% questioning other users about liking “problematic” characters or how still enjoying Tyrion is le bad, etc. It’s almost all within the purview of “this was bad for women, therefore everything will be discussed in that context”
>>24949686Realistically, Westeros as a united kingdom would have been dissolved after Robert's rebellion.Think about Robert's rebellion was not a revolt by an ambitious man; it was a reaction against tyranny.Aerys wanted to wipe out the Starks because he predicted they would be mad for killing Brandyn and Ned's dad. Robert just came to the aid of his friend, and so did Hoster and Jon Arryn.During the rebellion, the capital is sacked, and most of the Targs are killed.Ultimately, Robert doesn't want to be the king; seemingly, nobody wants the throne.Martells and the Tyrells do not want to be ruled by Robert, and Tywin does whatever.So, why even have united Westeros at that point? Just go back independent kingdoms, and everyone is happy.
>>24949686>decide to check out Fevre Dream>the main character is a fat ugly incel, but he's also brave, loyal and good>"I'll have some of that soup, and a dozen oysters, and a couple of roast chickens with taters and stuff. Crisp 'em good, mind you. Ans something to wash it all down with."Yep, that's a GRRM novel alright.
>>24963161>fat guy’s running theme across books is foodKek
>>24962684>the ridiculously oversimplified feudalism of Westeros.You don't realize it until you start learning about how the church's attempts to reduce violence unintentionally reinforced it via the invention of feudalism. It's a really fascinating accident. He could've made a great criticism but simply didn't know.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ypna0s2II
It’s over!
>>24963241>There is also the peculiar psychology of the modern fandom to consider. Since 2011, a massive community of theorists has emerged, dissecting every syllable of the lore. This constant engagement keeps Martin's name at the forefront of the cultural conversation, arguably more so than a finished book would.>There is a scientific concept known as the Zeigarnik Effect, which suggests that humans remember uncompleted tasks far more vividly than finished ones. By not finishing the story, Martin ensures that the debate—and the relevance of his brand—never dies.>Ultimately, the delay of The Winds of Winter serves as a case study for the modern media landscape. When a creator becomes this wealthy, the incentive shifts from expansion to adaptation and litigation, as seen in Martin's September 2023 legal action against OpenAI. Since the release of Fire and Blood in 2018, nearly every piece of related media has been about looking backward rather than moving the primary plot forward.>I personally believe Martin owes his readers a conclusion, but with his HBO contract entering its final year and his focus shifting toward 'gatekeeping' his legacy, the brutal reality suggests we may be waiting forever. As the saying goes, we are simply suffering from success.lol
Redwall > Asoiaf
>>24963241Dead horse. WoW will release upon the fat man's death.
>>24963310There’s zero incentive for GRRM to release the books.
>>24963405Are you blind? I specifically said AFTER his death it will be released by whoever inherits his estate (his wife, or one of his sisters).
>>24963447Elio literally said the book is getting released, "one way or another" alluding to his death. Simon and Schuster can't afford to let it go unreleased- it is quite literally the most hyped fantasy book since Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
Is /grrm/ a bracken or a blackwood board?
>>24963663Blackwoods are fucking faggots and brackens are based
>>24950717For me it's a tie between these:"The War of the Ninepenny Kings?" asked Hyle Hunt."So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was."“Seven, Brienne thought again, despairing. She had no chance against seven, she knew. No chance, and no choice.She stepped out into the rain, Oathkeeper in hand.”“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell. “But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.” “Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. “We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold. Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light. “No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”
>>24957432if you didn't enjoy davos' talk with borrell then you're a pleb, simple as
>>24963663Gurm incessantly wanks the blackwoods so of course the Brackens are superior.
>>24963663Sucking Babra's teats
>>24963158>Just go back independent kingdoms, and everyone is happy.I think on some level all the great lords of the realm are aware that the financial/resource/manpower burden, not to mention the mental stress, of suddenly being independent and going back to the "oh yeah we were fighting each other for a gorillion years nonstop" era isn't desirable. Plus nobody wants to be the first one to stick their neck out.
>>24963257Cute ratto
>>24963753>No chance, and no choiceTop tier
>>24963247>By not finishing the story, Martin ensures that the debate—and the relevance of his brand—never dies.I've been saying this for years and nothing GRRM could write now would ever satisfy the fanbase anyways, he's better off never finishing the story.
>>24950856Myrish swamp.
>>24964331I dont think GRRM is that level of deviousI think the simplest answer is correct, he's old and rich now and just doesn't give a fuck anymore
Jon, Jon, it rhymes with gigaton
>>24964331>Martin, Martin, it rhymes with shartin
>>24964612more like fartin XD
>>24964466>I dont think GRRM is that level of deviousHe's from the long nose tribe.
>>24964629Shartin', fartin', what does it matter? Greg RR Martin is doing anything but writin'
She doesn't need a song. She needs a spanking, or maybe a good fuck.
Is Ramsey Bolton worse than modern Peter Griffin?
>>24964648>He's from the long nose tribe.But he didn't even know that!
Lords Hightower, Velaryon, and Lannister mentioned and photographed in new Targstein files leaked by the Small Council
>>24963143well I only browse r/asoiafcirclejerk so I had different experience
>>24963663I was Blackwood fan but HotD Season 2 convinced me Brackens are the only patrician choice
>>24964466>I think the simplest answer is correct, he's old and rich now and just doesn't give a fuck anymoreI believe GRRM wanted to finish ASOIAF but for various reasons he didn't and at this point, he realizes it'll never happen so the best course of action is to just leave the story where it is and let fans continue to discuss/debate the story forever.
>>24963074She a bodybuilding warriors
>>24964264preach it, anon
>>24962684>>24959179GRRM thought on this gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot9tBy8Suac
>>24965144>the best course of action is to just leave the story where it is and let fans continue to discuss/debate the story forever.This just means the show is canon forever though unless he says otherwise. Which I’m fine with
>>24965298>grrr the show fucked up my ending!So you're gonna finish your books then right?>picrel
>>24963241Gay of Thrones is over
>>24965144He's right not to give a fuck. Would writing another book make him significantly richer? No. He doesn't have that long left to live anyway, and the money he gets from it wouldn't make any difference at all to his quality of life or to his estate. Would finishing the books improve his legacy? Probably not, because the HBO series was far more widely known than his books. The HBO version of the story is the one that will live on in popular imagination. There are so many examples of far, far more famous authors than GRRM having their work completely overshadowed by popular adaptations. Stephen King is a perfect example of this. And man is he still bitter about The Shining. So the only real motivation he could have to finish it is because he wants to, he doesn't want to leave it undone. But that doesn't require him to publish a damn thing. He can finish it, sit on it, and enjoy watching everybody gnash their teeth over it as he slowly dies.
>>24950856the sex scene in the Soiled Knight is the only one that's actually hot
>>24950717>"Do you take me for an utter fool, ser?" asked Stannis. "I have twenty thousand men. You are besieged by land and sea. Why would I choose single combat when my eventual victory is certain?" The king pointed a finger at him. "I give you fair warning. If you force me to take my castle by storm, you may expect no mercy. I will hang you for traitors, every one of you.">"As the gods will it. Bring on your storm, my lord—and recall, if you do, the name of this castle." Ser Cortnay gave a pull on his reins and rode back toward the gate.
>>24963257This.
The wind was blowing from the north as the Iron Victory came round the point and entered the holy bay called Nigga's Cradle
>>24966224
>>24950717Purple with rage, the king lashed out, a vicious backhand blow to the side of the head. She stumbled against the table and fell hard, yet Cersei Lannister did not cry out. Her slender fingers brushed her cheek, where the pale smooth skin was already reddening. On the morrow the bruise would cover half her face. "I shall wear this as a badge of honor," she announced."Wear it in silence, or I'll honor you again," Robert vowed.
>>24966462Good one
>>24963663Bittersteel > Bloodreddit. Nuff said.
I think an animated reboot that follows the books or at the very least doesn't factor in the show with how things look would be very cool. After it runs out of material they can just make their own ending and then this IP can just keep getting shows pumped out until eventually we land an ending that enough people like that its considered canon. bro what the fuck is this new captcha
>>24965891He has no children and his wife will eventually pass as well. Who would be his estate? Death of the Author is too strong in GRRM's specific case. When he is dead we will know what his notes and drafts intended for the ending. To avoid that, he would have to avoid writing anything for ASOIAF since 2011, just to keep any resolution locked up in his head. D&D, who loved to take credit for so many things, claimed King Bran was 100% GRRM's idea.GRRM's other works offer insight to how he thinks, so the truly analytical fans eventually will comb all his other works to key his idiosyncrasies to the ending of ASOIAF.GRRM is a boomer so would never consider the Aegon IV option of waiting until his deathbed to announce the ASOIAF setting as open-source. If by some miracle he did, his legacy would be off the charts. Alas, he's a fat boomer with money so he has no drive. It's amazing he even put together books at all instead of eating his own writing implements.The real aggravating thing about his unpublished books is he has an obvious allergy to magic so wrote all these plot threads of magic without any intention to resolve them. The biggest fan theories revolve around magic because GRRM left off at DotD that human diplomacy and martial prowess cannot save Westeros. He stopped publishing books exactly at the cliffhanger which is the bleakest. Every POV is set up for failure, except Bran. For what Bran is about to undergo, and what we've seen happen to Bloodraven, Bran as the ending is about as endearing to the audience as the WEF telling us "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy." GRRM gave into his base desires and cannot allow ASOIAF to have an ending where humans overcome superhuman evil.
>>24949686>No blog posts since early OctoberIs it joever? Did the tranny telling GRRM to his face that he's gonna die finally break him?
>>24965891>>24966600You know what fucks with me, for some reason I assumed Gaben is older than GRRM (maybe because I got into gaming in middle school but only really started enjoying reading in college once I wasn't being forced to read Tom Sawyer or some shit for high school literature class)Now when I see pics of Gaben slimming down but GRRM looking still fat but more wrinkled it feels wrong
>>24950717Euron is kinoRoy Dotrice for maximum kino:https://files.catbox.moe/rvxv67.mp3> “King Crow’s Eye, brother.” Euron smiled. His lips looked very dark in the lamplight, bruised and blue.> “We shall have no king but from the kingsmoot.” The Damphair stood. “No godless man—”> “—may sit the Seastone Chair, aye.” Euron glanced about the tent. “As it happens as I have oft sat upon the Seastone Chair of late. It raises no objections.” His smiling eye was glittering. “Who knows more of gods than I? Horse gods and fire gods, gods made of gold with gemstone eyes, gods carved of cedar wood, gods chiseled into mountains, gods of empty air... I know them all. I have seen their peoples garland them with flowers, and shed the blood of goats and bulls and children in their names. And I have heard the prayers, in half a hundred tongues. Cure my withered leg, make the maiden love me, grant me a healthy son. Save me, succor me, make me wealthy... protect me! Protect me from mine enemies, protect me from the darkness, >protect me from the crabs inside my belly, from the horselords, from the slavers, from the sellswords at my door. Protect me from the Silence.” He laughed. “Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”> The priest raised a bony finger. “They pray to trees and golden idols and goat-headed abominations. False gods...”> “Just so,” said Euron, “and for that sin I kill them all. I spill their blood upon the sea and sow their screaming women with my seed. Their little gods cannot stop me, so plainly they are false gods. I am more devout than even you, Aeron. Perhaps it should be you who kneels to me for blessing.”> The Red Oarsman laughed loudly at that, and the others took their lead from him.> “Fools,” said the priest, “fools and thralls and blind men, that is what you are. Do you not see what stands before you?”> “A king,” said Quellon Humble.
>>24966713Was it actually a tranny
>>24967056yes, a paki tranny that posted shorts larping as a Targaryen. the shorts were meant to win over HBO's casting team, to cast it in the aegon's conquest show
>>24967056I'm trying to find her youtube account but either she deleted it or google is being a complete nigger.
>>24967617It might have deleted it, they changed the name of the video into some tranny babble so they probably deleted it.
>>>/tv/216807840Imagine
>>24966713George will stop traveling eventuallyI hate to say it but the only thing that will force him home and writing would be his wife being bedridden
>>24967999George is an old school hippy, he is already fucking euro porn stars on the side he will put her in a home and continue his escape. Knowing that he is a spitful little shit he will probably outlive her anyway
>>24967937EWWWW haha
>>24967937>3DDisgusting crap
>>24957001if medieval rulers actually believed in religion supremacy, Philip the Second of France wouldn't have left the crusade before reaching Jerusalem.many others left before fulfilling their vows.
>>24958520have an omniscient ruler to guarantee peace.now that this is being done irl, he is having second thoughts.
>>24962429they're playing the right and left wing game to keep advancing their agenda.
>>24963158speaking in terms of CK2, Aerys should have been overthrown and replaced with his heir.
>>24968139Technically, if all others are dead and Dany and Viserys are disinherited, wouldn't Robert be next in line by primogeniture?
>>24963158>So, why even have united Westeros at that point? Just go back independent kingdoms, and everyone is happy.You know how NATO and the UN basically strive on maintaining the world's borders since WW2? The world is typically perceived by the powers that be as better so long as the status quo is maintained. In the same way, the Great Houses all want to maintain the status quo of the Iron Throne because in theory it's better for everyone to submit to King's Landing than for every kingdom to return to their usual border skirmishes. It all just blew up when Robert's heirs were discovered to be bastards and people started losing their heads for pointing that out.>>24968139Everything points to the tourney at Harrenhal being intended to be the part where they overthrow Aerys and install a much more stable Rhaegar. But then Varys tipped off Aerys, he shows up and fucks up the negotiations with his presence, and then Rhaegar's prophecytism boner gets set off and he kidnaps Lyanna and puts himself in trouble alongside his dad.
>>24968152i'm not well versed with CK2 inheritance laws since the game has buggy succession if not reatarted regularly so i haven't experienced them properly. and idk the Targaryen or Baratheon family trees well.but if we take for granted that Robert is the closest Targaryen relative, i guess so.
>>24968095And if they took their religion half as lightly as they do in Westeros, they wouldn't have fought unprofitable wars in distant lands to begin with.
>>24968240>unprofitable warsthe first crusaders were in it for profit. they regularly fought over the spoils, towns and eventually who should rule Jerusalem.the later ones might have been "forced" to keep their people in check or some shit.regardless, your original claim is obliterated.
>>24968253Little retardbro, they didn't keep those lands for long and those wars were costly and largely unsuccessful. If you actually think most of them saw a profit, you must be even dumber than you appear.
>>24968166Aerys had more madness after Varys showed up. Wouldn't surprise me if a bigger % of the Mad King's decisions, like burning Rickard alive, were "suggestions" from Varys in one of his disguises. Infact, Varys conveniently gets invited to King's Landing when Steffon Baratheon's demise was made known. If Tywin had any inkling of how much pull Varys actually had, he'd have ordered The Mountain to rip Varys apart limb-by-limb as soon as the Lannisters got inside the Red Keep during the rebellion. Could Varys have created the storm or guaranteed Windpround sank? Varys is a magician, despite his lie that he detests magic. He almost always lies. He even lies to Illyrio, but he never lies to Littlefinger. Everything Littlefinger does is on information Varys acquired for him. The only Master of Whispers more omniscient than Varys is Bloodraven. Think about that, Varys is in the same league as an Elden Ring boss.Rhaegar was too little too late in every decision. He would've been a terrible king. His stunt with Lyanna left no confidant alive and able to defend his decisions. His impulsiveness got him killed on The Trident. It's perplexing that Rhaegar left the best Kingsguard with Lyanna. Perhaps Rhaegar could trust Oswell and not Jonothor. Lewyn Martell obviously would've opposed Rhaegar's choice on Lyanna.
>>24968394>It's perplexing that Rhaegar left the best Kingsguard with LyannaI think that's further proof that he was banking more on the fulfillment of prophecy than on his own lifeI also think Varys is lying about his hatred of magic, but idk if he knows magic. He fears Littlefinger because Littlefinger knows that the weirwoods/old gods are real. I think it's more likely Varys is a warg than an actual wizard.
>>24968414How does littlefinger know the weirwoods/old gods are real?
>>24968464I think it's his relation to the Starks through Catelyn that made him aware, but I don't know exactly how yet. I think he knows what's up when he specifically has shit like Dontos meet Sansa in front of a weirwood and puts Sweetrobin on a weirwood throne.
>>24968287big retardbro, how long did the first Bohemond hold Antioch for? Edessa? that coastline town that the count of Toulouse took then his bastard son inherited?you think they were reconquered wothin a generation?when king Richard the Lionheart took Cyprus, you think he was kind to the people and didn't impose harsh taxes?you think he gave it away for nothing?and i'm absolutely sure the treasures given to them by the Byzantine Emperor were worthless.
>>24968414Other way around. Littlefinger assists Varys. Consider how Littlefinger's actions never jeopardize Varys. When Littlefinger lies to Cat about the Catspaw dagger in front of the Spider, Varys doesn't interrupt the lie even though he knows Littlefinger is telling a lie that will cause war.Varys is more dangerous than a warg. His "disguises" are the same as that of the Faceless Men. We're told by Pycelle that Varys grew up in Lys then Pentos, then met Illyrio in Pentos. You think Pycelle can spy worth a damn? He probably got that story from Varys, so why would Varys let Pycelle know where he really came from? The only source of knowledge that Varys is a eunuch is from... Varys himself. You think anyone got a look at naked Varys to positively confirm he is a eunuch? Varys moves like a Faceless Man. Littlefinger is the greatest usurer in Westeros. These two men have skills found in Braavos. What is the former sigil of House Baelish? The head of the Titan of Braavos, because Littlefinger's grandfather was a bravo from Braavos. There's too much time between Brandon beating the shit out of Littlefinger, and Littlefinger's position as Master of Coin. That's enough time for Littlefinger to learn Braavosi accounting.Illyrio gifts Danaerys the 3 Farman dragon eggs. Farman had sold those 3 eggs to the Sealord of Braavos. Where did Ned find Syrio Forel, former First Sword to the Sealord of Braavos? In King's Landing where Varys and Littlefinger have been. Jaqen H'qar is also in King's Landing, seemingly for his own purposes. There's too many Braavosi elements in the capital of a kingdom that owes the Iron Bank 6 million gold dragons.Varys and Littlefinger are/were agents of Braavos. Illyrio wants his Blackfyre son to win the Iron Throne, but Varys accelerating the wars is a benefit to Braavos at the expense of Illyrio. Littlefinger looks like he is grabbing for power, but of all the characters who make powergrabs, Littlefinger is quite cavalier about his acquisitions, almost like he's ready to leverage them as collateral. For someone who can spin money from nothing, he's shown remarkable restraint with materialism. Even Tywin gave into extravagant living.
>>24968287>>24968547Retardsiblings...>ProfitIn 2025 this pretty much exclusively means financial gain. During the era of the Crusades people still gave a shit about religion and were interested in what you could call "spiritual profits" as well as physical spoils. Like yeah Lord Francois de la France would have been looting his heart out because that's what happened when the victors sacked a city and it would go some way to helping recoup the costs of financing his participation in the Crusade, but the religious "profit" of taking the Holy Land for Christ would never have left his mind.
>>24968676I think the only problem with that is that Varys and LF are antagonized against each other in the context of Arya overhearing Varys and Illyrio in the Red Keep in AGoT. Varys doesn't know LF's agenda, and that scares/concerns him, because he knows everyone else's agenda. So even if they're both from Braavos, they aren't from the same faction.
>>24968695Illyrio tells Varys that Varys killed John Arryn, by telling Varys to also kill Ned. Varys refuses to kill Ned at Illyrio's request because Ned is not like Jon Arryn. Either Illyrio already was informed Varys killed Jon Arryn, and Varys takes credit for it in this conversation. Or Illyrio did not know Varys killed Jon Arryn, but this conversation has Varys take credit for killing John Arryn. If you think Varys is lying that he killed Jon Arryn, then you would be arguing that Varys is trying to maintain the illusion of control over a deteriorating situation. This contradicts Varys's behavior. Varys has repeatedly gone out of his way to murder the important small council members to accelerate chaos. Varys set up Ned's execution, he murders Pycelle, and he murders Kevan Lannister. Varys tells Illyrio he will not kill Ned because doing so will NOT slow the war, but Varys sets up Ned's death anyway to further hasten the war. So Varys lies to Illyrio about Ned.Varys is telling Illyrio that the chaos is accelerating out of his control. Why would Varys state his own position as weaker only to then take credit for a murder to appear more powerful? It would not make sense. The consistent behavior is he killed Jon Arryn and lies to Illyrio that the Lannisters have overreacted against the Starks. Jaime's confrontration with Ned is too fast, how did he know Ned would be at a specific brothel that is owned by Littlefinger? Littlefinger has an alibi, there was no way LF could tell Jaime about Ned's location. That means Varys told Jaime about Ned's location. This means when talking to Illyrio, Varys is lying about the Lannisters acting out of his control.Varys is deceiving Illyrio that their plans are jeopardized by the hotheadedness of Starks and Lannisters, but all the points of friction between Lannister and Stark not only could have been prevented by Varys and Littlefinger, but instead are caused by Varys and Littlefinger. Varys is pretending to be scared while urging Illyrio to hurry up the fAegon plan.
>>24950717>The world was simpler in those days, Jaime thought, and men as well as swords were made of finer steel. Or was it only that he had been fifteen? They were all in their graves now, the Sword of the Morning and the Smiling Knight, the White Bull and Prince Lewyn, Ser Oswell Whent with his black humor, earnest Jon Darry, Simon Toyne and his Kingswood Brotherhood, bluff old Sumner Crakehall. And me, that boy I was…when did he die, I wonder? When I donned the white cloak? When I opened Aerys’s throat? That boy had wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but someplace along the way he had become the Smiling Knight instead.
>>24968748>That boy had wanted to be JRR Tolkien, but someplace along the way he had become George R R Martin instead.
>>24967296keki'll be waiting for Darkstar's speeches. but i don't hate Darkstar nor find him cringe
Tyrion Lannister from the Game of Thrones HBO show: “Yo Young Griff Methinks you are a Blackfire…”Young Griffith: “HOLY FUCK do you think fire burns?”
>>24968677you think Raynald de Chattallôn had God's fear in his heart when he dipped the Catholic patriarch of Antioch in honey and left him exposed in the sun for insects to nibble on him for refusing to fund his raid against Cyprus?maybe some rulers actually believed in religion and had it as a priority but i don't believe it was common. after all, the vast majority enabled jews to practice usury in their domains.say, king Louis VII of France. he was haunted for burning peasants to death. but he was also basically raised to be a monk by monks because he was a second son. although i think we can dig up other examples.and returning to ASOIAF, some rulers are portrayed as devout and actually believing in their religion; further debunking big retardbro's original claim.
>>24968677That is the point and what the mouthbreather doesn't understand: that they weren't animated solely by material gain and that spiritual motivations were real. This isn't the same as saying that everyone was a saint and that greed didn't exist at the time, but it seems that one aspect of being braindead is reducing everything to an all or nothing dichotomy.
>>24969052george himself is a believer in the all or nothing view. most characters have no real faith whatsoever, and then you have the likes of baelor and lancel who are complete fanatics and probably insane
I have a really important question and I can't find the answer anywhere, anon. Just how beautiful is truly Shiera Seastar? George seems to imply she kept herself young like Melisandre does, and practices sorcery. She's also presented as the most beautiful woman in the 7 Kingdoms but given how George loves unreliable narrators, how would she realistically compare to Cersei, Dany or Margaery? Is her legend inflated by people and she's just like any other common woman who shits and has ugly phases or is she as beautiful and deadly as the legends present her?Also rank the most beautiful woman of the 7 Kingdoms
>>24969065Isn't Davos a character in the middle though, or Catelyn too. Really a lot of characters are probably somewhere in the middle aren't they
>>24969206I'll give it a shotCersei > Margaery > Sansa > Melisandre > Arya > Rose > Shiera > Rhaenyra > Alicent
>>24949786>great northern conspiracy/probably war of the successionVgh…
>>24950717>“Aye.” The chains rattled softly as Osney twisted in his shackles. “That one there. She’s the queen I fucked, the one sent me to kill the old High Septon. He never had no guards. I just come in when he was sleeping and pushed a pillow down across his face.”>Cersei whirled, and ran.
>>24969052>that they weren't animated solely by material gain and that spiritual motivations were real.Indeed. Back in oldy timey days, religion was real and was the "science" of the time, it was how people understood the world around them. Everybody believed in religion to a greater or lesser extent.
Bros....was season 8 George's end game all along?
>>24969591i don't get it
>>24969591Is this implying Bran will kill Jon?
>>24969615I think he'll oversee his trial for either deserting the NW or killing Dany and attempt to execute him but won't be able to and instead send him into exile.
>>24969206ANYTHING in asoiaf literature that isn't a character point of view is most likely citadel lies
>>24969705>men falling for a really beautiful woman left and right and doing her bidding >she's a witch!day of the rat trap when?
>>24969307See >>24962684Davos and Catelyn are what people in modern liberal democracies think religiousness is supposed to meanAKA you don't actually need to follow any specific strictures, it's mostly a good vibes thing where you use prayer for mental comfortDavos is a man in a medieval setting yet is only slightly perturbed by the Seven's wood statues being burnt, from his chapters he's mostly worried OTHER people would be angeredCatelyn ends up in a kingdom of basically heathens, her husband builds her a little church and she's satisfied. She holds onto her original faith but otherwise integrates with no issues, doesn't have any religious quibbles other than treating the religion of the Old Gods all around her as basically a different lifestyle choice(which too is what religion has been watered down to in most 1st world countries, just an aesthetic or personality quirk). This is literally how Western progressives believe Islam migrants will work, decades of "to show them how welcoming we are we'll need to build a mosque next to the local church :D"
>>24949705Nah Aegon IV Targaryen is the best King. He was also besmirched by the Maesters.
Whenever it snows, I like to pretend I am a soldier in Stannis' army on the march from Deepwood Motte to Winterfell.
>>24970383based autist
>>24970283tower nigger typed this post
It's uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aJchYcoqiM
>>24970554>h-hi geor- mister martin, i'm a h-huge fan heh... me and my boyfriend quin make money online by sweeping f-for you... c-could you sign this feast for crows ai slop edition for me, please?
>>24969895>Davos is a man in a medieval setting yet is only slightly perturbed by the Seven's wood statues being burnt, from his chapters he's mostly worried OTHER people would be angeredHe's an upstart and a very pragmatic man, who previously made peace with the religious implications of making his living through crime, and currently is surrounded by much more powerful people who see him as an undesirable pest. Of course he's more worried about how the courtly will get stormy, rather than his own offended sensibilities - screaming "MUH FAITH I'M OFFENDED" is something for the powerful lords, like the Florents, and not for the Onion Knight. The Onion Knight had his fingers severed from his palm and cried gratitude for it. In the very same chapter he is upset by his sons growing proud and talking shit, forgetting how fragile and vulnerable their station is. >Catelyn ends up in a kingdom of basically heathens, her husband builds her a little church and she's satisfiedYou might have noticed that said heathens happen to be her family, and most importantly her lord husband. I guess a lord's wife throwing a shitfit about her heathen of a husband not adopting her religion would be a much more believable portrayal of religious practices of nobility in a world inspired by Medieval Europe.
>>24969895>This is literally how Western progressives believe Islam If you feel like searching for Islamic allegories and what not, then this is the part where I point out that the one religion in the series that is autistic about expansion of it's influence through conquest and there being only one god is shown as delighting in burning literal children alive and numerous central characters have no issues showing how they find it completely morally unacceptable and would rather die than accept it.
>>24949686Martin's world is boring.There are demographic changes beyond migration and rise of King's Landing
>>24969206>>24969321I'd put Sansa above Cersei and Shiera but not above Dany.
>>24970383it's just cold here, zero snowworst option, I'm miserable but can't even larp about how cool it is to be miserable. shit sucks.
How did 2 men tear down a tower while lugging around a baby?
>>24969206>>24969321I miss the fanarts we used to get before the show came out and everything turned into >>24971427
>>24950856For me, it's "her cunt became the world".
>>24971686LOGH memes in my western fantasy slop thread?
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I once saw a suggestion that fire wights were dark souls undead. Instead of being bound to Winter and the great other, they fuel their immortality with themselves. Life, memory, emotion. All of it is fuel for the fire. I rather liked that. Any ideas on other forms of immortality in the series? The current Hightower lord probably bound his life to a glass candle, and I expect it's possible to bind becoming unaging into kingship.
This official map from "World of Ice and Fire" it os so shit, it doesn't even make Whispering Woods near Riverrun.
'My dragons have two legs because real life birds don't have four.'FIREWYRMS AND WYVERNS AND BASILISKS DON'T EXIST IN REAL LIFE EITHER YOU OLD CUNT. SHOW ME THE TAX CODE YOU BRAG ABOUT. SHOW ME WHERE ALL THE WOOD COMES FROM, GEORGE. WHERE'S ALL THE WINTER WOOD? WHY DO WE STILL HAVE FORESTS?
>>24972620that one jon dream implies it's possible to simultaneously be a fire and ice wight
A decade ago now, when my friend tried to convince me to read these books, he told me the 6th book would be out soon. I jokingly told him it would come out when i caught up. I only started reading them this year and im almost done.
>>24971989Here, the russians collected quite a bit of original material here. Though of course there is still some show art sprinkled here and there.
>>24972779Welcome to the club. I personally got around to it a year ago after playing the ASOIAF mod in CK2. Binged the series, became enraptured in the world, and now I'm waiting for the fat man to die so his estate can release the WoW chapters.
>>24971989>>24972839Oops forgot the link. https://7kingdoms.ru/talk/threads/4772/page-84
>>24972779>>24972849I watched season 1 when it released in full on a public tracker, back then nobody watched it. Funnily enough I recommended it to friends who said it looked like shit, the same friends recommended it to me around the end of season 3 having forgotten me ever mentioning it to begin with. It was only around 2022 with the release of HotD I started reading the books and I don't expect any more books to ever come out, even after George croaks.
>>24972779Don't give up hope bro.Valve just announced Half Life 3, and people have been meming about it for decades.
>>24972945>Valve just announced Half Life 3Niggas really just go around lying, huh
I'll try and make a project of racial anthropology of ASOIAF, and I wanna adk you guys help, what race, ethnicity do you think most matches with:>Northmen/Ironborn/First men>Andals>Dornish (Stone, Sand and Salt)>Dothraki >Qaathi>Ghiscari (Slaver's bay in general)>Free Cities>Yi-ti>Lengish Here is a lust provoking image of Saera for your attention
Is this real or AI? I can't even tell anymore...
>>24970283Did Aemond cuck Aegon IV or nah
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>>24973015>may>rumored>not hl3>says journalist>not a single one of those links are valve confirming half-life 3
>>24973015Retard
>>24962762You're retarded. That little fantasy doesn't exist outside of /pol/ and maybe some cherry picked liberal arts institutions.The truth is most universities actually lean right - their jobs is to create an obedient but specialized workforce, and they're pretty good at it. In my university, most heads of departments I remember were clearly right winged and vocal about it. Its also usually the case in economics and engineering.Your idea of communism is also pathetic. Communists people and countries are usually pioneers in science. From Einstein to the USSR's space program and medical research, to modern day China with its massive investment in tech and academia.
>>24972987As someone who knows fuck all about history.>Northmen/Ironborn/First menNordic>AndalsJews>DornishNorth african, turkish, greek>Qaathi"The Dothraki refer to the Qartheen as Milk Men because of their pale complexion." I don't know what to do with this so I can't give an answer.>GhiscariMegamutts>Free citiesMegamutts>Yi-tiching chong bing bong>LengishSome island chinks
>>24973103The First Men are Nordics, the Andals are Alpines and the Rhoynar are Mediterranean
>>24969206Arya Stark above everythingI like savage girls
Preston/Redteamreview's interview with Elio Garcia is out.This is a free sample https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzLQF9swYbgI don't want to pay for it but if anyone's on their patreon/youtube member is there anything relevant in there? I'm assuming not.
>>24973668David Lightbringer bros...our response?
>>24973711What's the meteor theory? Something to do with the comet that's mentioned a bunch, I assume.
>>24973711It's very clear if you watch even a single video where David Lightbringer interacts with another youtuber that he is weird as fuck. I like one of the guys he talks to, the guy in the video about Maelys Blackfyre. David has some weird insecurities about being overshadowed by his co-host, he behaves incredibly feminine and if you look at him he has this faggy metrosexual aesthetic so I don't doubt for a second that he is "a s*x pest around young girls" but who the fuck cares? The "community" these people are so precious about is full of creeps, faggots, trannies and weirdos but this guy is the devil because he hits on women? Boo fucking hoo. Preston is a bald pedophile but he is in the green because he has the right politics and wishes death on the right people. The saddest part about the whole thing is that these are the people who interface with Georges lackeys so it's the only behind the scenes looks we get.
>>24949715I would like an answer for this before the thread concludes.
>>24969206I doubt Shiera is really that hot. The Maesters always lie
>>24973850>>24973711>he is "a s*x pest around young girls"so he chases 20 year olds?>>24973763something about how the God's Eye was formed or some shit. iirc.
>>24973850>The saddest part about the whole thing is that these are the people who interface with Georges lackeys so it's the only behind the scenes looks we get.Seriously. You finally get a chance to interview George's right hand man and you use it to take swipes at another youtuber? That is the most petty shit imaginable. He could've been the one who shot Charlie Kirk for all I care, you don't do that.
>>24973668Please someone download and gibs us
>>24962429>I don't get why the citadel and fot7 are separate when they're from the literal same town.>I don't get why the Roman Empire and the Holy See are separate when they're from the literal same town.
>>24974489Holy pseud
>>24974106I'd rather commission gay porn than subscribe to some faggy jewtuber's patreon.
>>24972987Qaathi are just reachmen who didn't migrate. So first men.
>>24973944>(((maesters))) always lieSo what you're saying is that Shiera has a hook nose and moles and curly black hair, as well as a sickly sweet odour? A poisonous mushroom, if you like?
>>24974637>tower nigger attempting good faith
Maesters are Chinese palace eunuch coded
>>24962429You are an an imbecile and your comprehension skills are abysmal. The order of Maesters and the Faith have nothing to do with one another. Its a secular order of medical practitioners with Old Gods worshipping Northmen and even a few Drowned God worshiping Ironborn within it.
>>24974835Except for both of them being joyful slaves of, and taking orders from, the Hightowers.
>>24974835Thank you, Archmaester, for your insightful and unbiased analysis.
I'm currently reading two female SI fanficsWinter of Widows, set as an OC in a minor riverlands house just after the Dance, and How Sheep in the Vale bring about a Golden Age for Gulltown set as an OC daughter of Daemon and his bronze bitch of a wife it's really funny how different the two MCs see romance. Winter of Widows has the MC actively refuse to consider having kids even though it's to the active detriment of her house. She also has a knight pining after her but respectfully and from a distance (he's also the guy who helped Bloody Ben kill Tessarion). She's probably going to end up with like one kid and it will be portrayed as something dire and badMeanwhile in the other one the MC basically saw a knight, said "yeah you're good enough", and has basically milked him dry. She recently got pregnant again like 2 months after she gave birth. It's kinda hilarious
>>24975126My engagement with fanfiction is playing ck3agot at the peak of Jaehaerys I's reign, I make myself his eldest male child and spend decades being an absolute megabreeder, lots of the time I sire up towards 30 children (most of them being bastards). I usually play for 2-3 hours until I get so uncontrollably horny that I have to masturbate. I take great pleasure in cuckolding family members and lords of great houses.
>>24973711…….Why did it take them so long to figure this out? David has been a huge moron on the forums for nearly twenty fucking years. He was always this passive aggressive twat. He always had this habit of saying “my proof is better than yours” in his early years. He’s a socially awkward moron. He doesn’t respect the canon or George. It’s a case of a religiously minded lunatic taking the content of someone else’s hard work and butchering it to suit their own bias/vision. That he thought the empire of the dawn was some ancient glorious not!Chinese empire of pre-Valyrian dragon riders said everything. But for some reason peoples lore/media literacy was lacking so they all fell for the bullshit fan fiction grift. Anyone who ever bought into Lightbringer should be put on a list. They aren’t intelligent people. They don’t actually want to approach the canon critically. They just believe the dumbest shit.
David Lightbringer was a menace on the old forums and would goad people into making comments that got them banned. Simply because he knew how stupid he sounded and people got fed up with him. He is the reason why I left the asoiaf online community after some idiot published an article about his “lore savviness”. He kept peddling fan fiction to the point where you could not discuss the actual canon anymore.
The amount of Redditors that support David is revolting https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/193xnbh/spoiler_extended_thoughts_on_david_lightbringers/
Any theoryfag who gets so deep up his own ass where he starts taking his initial crackpot theories from 2015 for granted to build up his newer theories because the content drought is hurting them is insane. Whether it's David Lightbringer starting from "Euron = AA" to Preston Jacobs starting everything from "Quentyn is alive," it's all cringe.
>>24975302It's like AI models being trained on AI models. you just eventually get a downward spiral of nonsensical drivel. Navel-gazing of the worst kind.
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>>24975143Based, Maegor can't relate
>>24973711>Muh sex pestYou're a giant fucking retard if you believe a 21st century woman.
