1st for saying I hope the group meltie doesn't carry over to here. Shameful, even by our standards.

>Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
90% of noob writing questions are answered here. People should actually watch these.

>>24999030
Does he only use movie media examples still or are there actual literature ones in that version?

>>24999030
not really

>>24999043
He explains why he often uses movie references in the lectures, if you'd actually watch them.

>>24999030
I will look one of these days. Work, this hobby, you know the drill.

>>24999049
I know why but it's still inexcusable.

>>24998934
Reminder: You are not allowed to write for or read for pleasure.
It's all about the hustle.

>>24999051
No it's not. You didn't watch the lectures, else you would be able to articulate why he made that decision and why you think it was wrong. Instead, you spam this shit every thread.

>>24999069
I guess it's been a while since you had your meltie, grifterfag
Go ahead, box those shadows for a bit so you feel better

>>24999024
The group melties at least usually come with some discussion before it blows up. Because real melties only happen when people are actually engaging and feel strongly about a topic, and the emotional disregulation of 4channers means it goes off the rails since people can't disagree politely.
But the alternative is just meaningless 1 line nothingburger replies that goes on all day, which is boring to skim. (This is the state of /wg/ actually)
I'll take a meltie if there's some meat on the bone. Much more interesting to read through

>>24999043
The reason he uses movie media is because movie media and video games blow the fuck out of literature. If you can't understand and accept that then you're ngmi.

>>24999069
>>24999101
Two obvious troll posts (and actual, clear troll posts unlike the loose use of the term) immediately after the new /wg/ thread goes up
I'm nooooticing....

>>24999093
The melties really are carrying on into this thread aren't they?

>>24999111
It's not like a new thread means the posters go anywhere

>>24998934
update the rec list so it isn't shit

>>24999121
Rec list is good
Yours would be trash though, I'm certain

>>24999126
it most certainly is not
it's probably only left in as engagement bait

>>24999129
you just have shit taste
prove me wrong. list 5 you would rather have on there

>>24999116
4chan has gotten unbearably shit over the last 10 years. I've been using it less and less. This is probably my last year in this rotten shithole.

>>24999126
categories I read from:
>sci-fi
only 2 options, the first is unreadable reddit tier dogshit, and the second is 1 chapter every 6 months. at least add some more things to it
>litrpg
mostly fine, but again add some more options, where is SSS for example?
>timeloop
these 3 are good, but there are more you can add

>>24999133
>engagement baits
holy fuck
the twitter generation is beyond helping

You know what would be a really cool idea? We could do something like the community mag, but from /wng/. We pick a general theme, each make a short story (20-40k), and then release it under one banner. Then, after each of them, we could have a little poll that asks readers if they'd like to see more of that particular story.

>>24999149
whines about how the recs are shit, refuses to gives his own recs, whines about engagement bait when called out for his obvious hypocrisy
go away you annoying fag

>>24999136
>This is probably my last year in this rotten shithole.
So was last year, and last year, and last year, and last year, and last year, and

>>24999154
>each make a short story (20-40k),
I don't think /wng/ authors write short stories lol. Our domain is the polar opposite of that
I, at least, don't have any interest

>>24999154
it'd be cute
unless you plan to 100% lead a project and do all the work then anything you'd try to start would be doomed to fail

>>24999147
>at least add some more things to it
Which?
>where is SSS for example?
The only litrpg SSS I know is Saintess Summons Skeletons and surely that isn't one of your top litrpg recs lol
>but there are more you can add
Which?
You people realize you are part of the thread right? How are you complaining about which recs are in the OP but not suggesting actual changes? Are you being deliberately obnoxious?

It's actually a very long standing trend where one or a few anons call literally everything shit but go dead silent when asked what they think is good
The rec list is fine. I was surprised by how decent it was, even if I don't agree with all the inclusions

Super Supportive should probably be on there, if just for relevance.

It's kinda comically obvious that it's made by a mostly FMC reader lol

>>24999043
Yes, he uses actual book examples, but slightly less often than movie examples. As pedagogical material, a book that takes 12 hours to read isn't as immediately useful as a movie that takes two hours to watch (and has probably already been watched by the audience anyway).

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>>24999230
Please

>>24999136
>been here 18 years
I wish I could leave. /lit/ was only good when it was called /r9k/ and this general in particular is /vg/-quality.

>>24999166
It's basically the length of an intro arc. If someone was looking for market research, that'd be a great way to get it without writing out a full book first.
>>24999174
I wouldn't mind leading something like this once I got my hands free. Not like helming this would be that difficult either. It'd mostly be organizing everyone's contributions and hashing out details.

>>24999166
My most recent work was a short story. But I'm in the deep end of the swamp of a second draft, now third draft of my first act, so I'll have to pass.

>>24999252
third draft rewrite oops

>>24999213
it's because the position is a pointless one to try and argue
you have to premove to expect what the dumbest retard on the site might say before you post
in the case of arguing for taste, if you ever post your own preferences arguing against another it'll instantly head to shit flinging
the rec list in the OP has tons of weird shit nobody has ever talked about in thread a single time, and in no way represents webnovels or the genres they're listed under
>The Elf Who Would Become A Dragon
>Guild Mage: Apprentice
>Worth The Candle
>Markets and Multiverses
>Downtown Druid
>A Practical Guide to Sorcery
>Release That Witch
>RE: Deity - The Breath of Creation
>Mask of Humanity
I've never seen anyone discuss any of these and I've only read one of them myself
it's fine if that's what the particular recommender likes (lame as fuck that this has to be clarified on 4ch of all places. sensitive pansies) but they shouldn't be in the OP since they aren't representative

>>24999296
>Worth The Candle
read that
>Release That Witch
read that one ages ago

>>24999105
can I be troll too? I wanna play! But I need something to be an asshole about. Give me some ideas.

>>24999160
call him tina.

Let's expand the rec list today.
I think
>Trash count aka (Lout of Count's Family lmao)
and
>Villain wants to live
Should be added how do you all feel about this?

>>24999316
fff tier bait

>>24999296
I have literally had multiple, extended conversations with anons about both WTC and APGTS.
WTC in particular is prominent in web novel discourse even for its relative popularity
APGTS less so but it's still decently well known (it has 10,000 followers lol, more than the controversial thread darling Pale Lights, despite both being trad fantasy novels)
Only one I haven't heard of is Mask of Humanity, which is 5k followers, none of these are irrelevant noname 100 follower stories.

Like what do you want it trimmed down to? 15k+ follower turbo populars only? What would you realistically want the list to look like?

>>24999320
Good point, my proposal lacked the genre definition.
I propose we add Villain reincarnation and villainess story as sub-genres.
The prior two suggestions being in the former category and the latter category to be under consideration until further suggestions are made.

>>24999330
if you think those two are noteworthy then there's a fine chance that they're outside of my awareness
that still leaves the rest of that list as literal whos
>What would you realistically want the list to look like?
major names everyone in the scene knows
odd, freak successes like archmage
early works that set the tone and culture (worm, a practical guide, kumo, moonlight sculptur)
the list isn't a total mess, it just has a lot of weird entries that seem arbitrarily thrown in

>>24999236
I was thinking about talking of the differences between books and movies, but that might instantiate a meltie going. Plus I don't know what the cool answers are. Do we have a pamphlet that lists all these strict guidelines. kek.

>>24999338
They really aren't literal whos, again, I've heard of all of them besides Mask and they all have pretty decent followings. By your criteria stuff like Pale Lights and Katalepsis would be trimmed, they're smaller and not foundational like EE's APGTE
(also don't think kumo belongs)
opinions vary a lot unless you're only allowing the absolute turbo big dogs

I think a longer list is fine, but we should have a "top 5" beginner recs, perhaps

>>24999343
tina
am I right?

>>24998934
As my New Year's resolution, I promised to become an avid reader of web novels. It has been six days, and I still haven't read anything.
So, I used a random number generator to pick one of the 16 ongoing web novels mentioned in the OP spreadsheet.
The dice landed on ARCHTYPE (#84799), which appears to be pretty successful, so I doubt the anon lurks here anymore.

The blurb isn't exactly grabbing, but it is good to know there is an AI-generated audiobook.
The first chapter is surprisingly only 600-ish words long, which is strange; I thought most readers prefer 1K words minimum. It does make the barrier to entry easier.
The chapter is an exposition dump disguised as an excerpt from an in-universe newspaper. In theory, such exposition is lazy, and I was kinda prepared to hate it. After reading it fully, I actually like it, because it really does come off as an authentic news article and is very concise with the information it conveys without coming across as spoonfeeding.

I guess my nitpick with the chapter would be the name. So, the first operation to relocate spontaneously combusting children was called:
>Operation Pied Piper
Which itself is absolutely fine. But the bill relocates a new batch of children is called:
>Pied Piper's Return
Which bothers me a bit, it comes off as a bit unnatural for a political bill. I'd expect a bill imitating another bill called something more sterile like "Pied Paper '95" or "Pied Piper 2nd."

But as a whole, it did pique my interest to read more later.

>>24999344
kumo should be replaced by overlord and slime.

>>24999344
pale lights is by EE which gives it some clout. it's also exceptionally well written from a slop stand point. it's pretty successful and well known. I think it's a stand out story but could argument for cutting it
katalepsis should probably be cut I agree
kumo pretty much defines the entire voice of monster evo stories and manic pixie dreamgirl webnovels in general. it's pretty important and should be included

I recommend Reverend Insanity

>>24999345
you take that back.

>>24999352
kumo is uber popular because asian girls read it on their phones (the original chapters are tiny and they are trash, it somehow worked)

>>24999354
>kumo pretty much defines the entire voice of monster evo stories and manic pixie dreamgirl webnovels in general. it's pretty important and should be included
Personally I don't think non-english-originals should be included in general, or at least each non-english sphere should be put in their own quarantine section

Even we did include LNs though I really don't see how kumo desu makes the top list. It is not a top 5 name in the Japanese sphere. I guess it's sorta influential in the subdomain of monster evo, but aren't you arguing for big dogs only? Just because it's big in a niche shouldn't give it a spot

>>24999357
this becomes trash the moment he leave the first village

>>24999366
>Personally I don't think non-english-originals should be included in general, or at least each non-english sphere should be put in their own quarantine section
Not him but how could you even have an all time greats list if you did that?

>>24999368
Three Kings inheritance?
Imperial court blessed land?
Battle of Yi Tian mountain?
Fate War?
Crazed Demon Cave?

>>24999351
interesting. I used a character watching TV for news about thing X once. It was mid-project not opening. Instead of paragraphs of prose or dialogue it was quotations of what the talking heads on TV said. I used it for novelty more than any reason. I liked the effect. I'd have to be asked to post it though. wasn't my best project. anyone else use this technique before in their work?

>>24999370
Simple: it would be a list of all-time greatest English web novels
Translated prose is unreadable

This thread should've been made as an english web novel thread to begin with.

>>24999383
Why are you like this

>>24999385
I've tried man, the really weird sentence structures and especially the shitty dialogue makes translated stories literally not readable. Wish I could

>>24999378
it loses the personal stakes, it just does, don't like it and dropped it three times over the years

when it was just released I was reading it until I caught up tho that was when the gender switch guy betrays the protagonist and he goes all everything according to keikaku

If you're including English, Korean, Chinese, AND Japanese web novels how the fuck would you ever narrow it down to just a top 10?

>>24999351
>It has been six days, and I still haven't read anything.
I've re-read all 1024 currently translated chapters of My Longevity Simulation this year (I started on the 29th of december). It was fun.
>The dice landed on ARCHTYPE (#84799), which appears to be pretty successful, so I doubt the anon lurks here anymore.
Archetype is kino, and the anon who made it still lurks here.

>>24999388
>when the gender switch guy betrays the protagonist and he goes all everything according to keikaku
Sure, the Shang City arc drags a bit, and I wasn't a big fan of the wilderness arc (aside from the footless bird), but you should at least finish the Three Kings Inheritance arc. The part that comes right after that is great.

>>24999401
or rather, the part right after the keikaku is revealed is kino

>>24999393
why would you include bugnovels?

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>>24999393
>China
Coiling Dragon
Lord of the Mysteries
>Japan
Sword Art Online
Mushoku Tensei
Re:Zero − Starting Life in Another World
>Korea
Solo Leveling
The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor
Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint
>Western
Worm
Shadow Slave

do you really need more? than a scatter shot of decent novels, at most you can slim it down to 8 and just offer novels from the four corners.

point and laugh at the EOP

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>>24999412
>Sword Art Online
>Mushoku Tensei

>>24999412
shadow slave is chinese

I've put some thought into it, and here's the English Top 5:
- Beware of Chicken (most followed story on RR)
- Primal Hunter (Biggest overall success, the premier numberslop story)
- Mother of Learning (long-standing OG and highest-rated fiction on RR)
- Worm (long-standing OG with enormous fanfiction community)
- The Wandering Inn (gigantic community, very successful despite not being on RR, huge internet presence)

With an honorary mention of
- Dungeon Crawler Carl (started as a web novel on royalroad and became incredibly successful after trad pubbing)


I think that's the most objective top list of English webnovels if we're not bringing personal opinions into the mix.

>>24999423
Is it? The author looks like a gweilo.

>>24999423
no, shadow slave was written in english
absolutely doesn't belong in the conversation though, it's not a fraction of the size/relevance for actual english readers.
it's the xianxiaslop reader's idea of an english web novel

>>24999432
Why do you melt down at anything even vaguely referencing non english webnovels?
What causes this level of derangement?

>>24999397
Wish I could read as much.
My issue is that when I try to read too much, I lose the ability to digest the text, which contributes to reading feeling like a chore, which it shouldn't be.

>>24999436
in what universe was that a meltdown? it was two factual statements and then a slightly mocking jab at xianxia readers, but also an honest appraisal. the people who read SS are usually just xianxia readers. I almost never see it referenced in english web novel communities

>>24999440
>>24999407
you've been having a melty all thread

>>24999422
Because they're too famous now?
Any popular web novel post sword art online gets turned into a series at some point. If you want to exclude Shōsetsuka ni Narō, the sword art online guy posted on his personal blog before he hit it big.
and while I don't really like what followed after because of its popularity, ignoring it out of hand seems silly. If we're actually talking about big ones at least, if it's just a contemporary conversation about web novels that have released in the last decade or 5 years and not a novel's impact on the medium then fair enough strike it.

>>24999443
i am >>24999440 but not >>24999407
I'm also >>24999386 >>24999383 >>24999366 which are all very level headed posts, you have to be insanely sensitive to think that's a meltie.
don't be so obviously insecure about your slop preferences man, it's the slop thread. it's fine that I don't like stuff you like. the feeling is returned I'm sure. relax.

>>24999446
you sperg out about this every thread

>>24999424
>Beware of Chicken
Shit
>Primal Hunter
Shit
>Mother of Learning
Shit
>Worm
Shit
>The Wandering Inn
Shit
>Dungeon Crawler Carl
Reddit Shit

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>>24999459
TRVKE

>>24999459
I liked mother of learning until about the 4th book. I honestly think the perfect run is the better timeloop story it's got better pacing.

>>24999456
I definitely have not brought this up in a while.
But if the topic comes up, yeah, I'll drop my opinion in. That's hardly sperging out, you phrasing it like that doesn't manifest an obvious lie into reality.
You're the one kinda having a meltie over this to be honest.

okay new suggest we make two lists, one for western web novels, the other for the rest of web novels, the caveat being you must take the web novel if it's written in english by an english author and you cant shirk it because you think he was influenced by non english authors.

>>24999459
I liked andurs stuff.
Techno Heretic.
The New Journey of an Old Soul

Thats my nieche taste.
>>24999474
if webnovel/qidian is the main distribution site its eastern

>>24999439
>My issue is that when I try to read too much, I lose the ability to digest the text, which contributes to reading feeling like a chore, which it shouldn't be.
The only times this happens to me is when I try to read Western written stuff.
I can read 5000 chapters in a row only with eastern slop

>>24999423
>shadow slave is chinese
The author is from Russia, North Ossetia.

>>24999466
>no u

>>24999474
>written in english by an english author
if youre referencing shadow slave isnt he Russian?
lots of big English web novels are esl though, thats fine. I made fun of SS but I did read it (because it wasnt translated and thus didnt throw me out every paragraph with weird sentences)

>>24999479
It's Chinese in spirit, and thus irredeemable dogshit.

>>24999397
How is the Longevity Simulation after chapter ~330 ? That's when the original translator left, I read mtl upto when the mc went to space on webnovel and the mtl was better than expected.

>>24999351
Why wouldn't you read popular stories first? Why start with random noname stories lol

>>24999503
taste, most popular stories are not the nieche you like
that is the advantage of webnovels

>>24999505
Why not read a popular story in the niche (NICHE) you like?

>>24999491
>How is the Longevity Simulation after chapter ~330 ? That's when the original translator left, I read mtl upto when the mc went to space on webnovel and the mtl was better than expected.
I personally liked it. In what chapter does he go to space lol?
the (next) translator got nuked so you can only read chapters 337-438 in the wayback machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20241005134113/https://untoldchapters.com/my-longevity-simulation/
and from chapter 439 to 836 a third translator picked it up in SH
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1180952/-/
sadly wuxiaworld picked it up so it will (probably get deleted) and also chapters 836 to 934 literally have no text so I had to use a scraper site I always use to read upto 1024. So there probably is a fourth translator but idk where hes uploading

>>24999507
read your archmage slop

>>24999509
is this Tina? where did that nonsense reply even come from

Why do people hate on archmage so much, it's just friren as a web novel.

>>24999516
people hate on the literal wave of copycats for obvious reasons
the original gets as much hate as any other big story from what I've seen.

>>24999456
>you sperg out about this every thread
why is it so hard to just let him have his preference. He states it. You disagree. Then its done. Plus its not like we haven't had this same argument over and over before.

>>24999516
Its not like frieren at all, why do people say this?

>>24999503
ARCHETYPE is pretty popular.
>Total Views :475,622
>Average Views :2,414
>Followers :742
>Favorites :197
>Ratings :162
>Pages :1,287

Either way, I want to avoid normie stuff, because I heard a lot of AI-generated, but more importantly, I consider /wn/ anons to be a micro community, and consuming the community's art adds special value to the process.
It's like pizzeria pizza is great, but homemade pizza tastes has its own flavor.

>>24999528
I guess popularity is relative, but even by really relaxed definitions that seems wrong. I don't think 700 followers would even make top 1000

>it's homegrown and artisanal
very based then

>>24999527
When they say it, they're talking about the MC being of small stature, ancient mage from the past who is emotionally reticent and utilizes basic spells but in ways that makes people surprised.
they're not talking about the themes of the story.

>>24999513
>is this Tina?
nope. (but this is, now)
any true /wng/ litizen would know I don't really give opinions on WNs. I only sit back and take them in or ask questions.
> (the mark of tina, *kek*)
>where did that nonsense reply even come from
who gives a fuck. unless you're the author, I can't see this level of emotional investment. Careful, anon. Onlookers? Are going to see Tina-anon as the voice of reason. And i ask you, is that not dangerous ground.
(tombstone voice)
honest to god, its like talking about webnovels with my brother's kids or some shit.

>>24999534
yeah there's aesthetic similarities but man, it's not even themes, the fundamentals of the story are so different too. like what a chapter(episode) by chapter(episode) plot is, the general atmosphere, etc
Really just are nothing alike besides the superficial white-haired powerful magic user aesthetic

>>24999508
It's such a good story, I don't understand why up to this day it does not have a good translation. The latest chapter is 1026 so it seems somebody is translating it

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>>24998300
Arcane gear. I was thinking about adding tentacles as well but I’ll save it for the next cover

Made a good sketch, feel the story brewing, really ready to start it

>>24999366
terrible take
the western webnovel scene is built on the back of lightnovels

>>24999621
>the western webnovel scene is built on the back of lightnovels
Only eastern readers believe this. It simply is not true.
How is Worm, TWI, DCC, MOL, PH etc inspired by Japanese webfic?
The Western scene is very disconnected from the Eastern one. It is massively more influenced by Tolkien-esque fantasy and DND/RPGshit than anything else.
The fight scenes are kinda anime-y, that's all I'll give you

>>24999627
fair, I'll give you that we have our own independent culture shoots off urban YA and tolkien
but all of litRPG and isekai + portal fantasy roots to lightnovels

>>24999627
Primal hunter feels like a cultivation novel, honest. Speaking truthfully, progression fantasy in general feels like cultivation under a different guise.

Are there usually tags that specify if the story is mostly told in 1st or 3rd person? I've been reading a lot lately, and every book that I hated has been told in 3rd person so I want to see if this distinction is important to me and why,

>>24999639
based scholar
there aren't on RR. which is odd now that I'm aware of it

>>24999564
gear as in tools or gear as in drugs?

>>24999639
Out of curiosity, were the 3rd person povs you disliked multiple characters or one character pov told in 3rd person?

>>24999635
Japanese implementation of RPG elements is wildly different from Western spins on LitRPG. The Japanese were not unique for implementing game elements into stories, and Western stories tend to go DND-style
Isekai novels obviously do have strong LN roots, but the two scenes are wildly different. Like, have you read TWI? It might be an isekai but it is NOT an isekai like the Japanese would do it. At all. It feels way more DND and Tolkien

>>24999637
>progression fantasy in general feels like cultivation under a different guise.
Dunno, I just don't agree at all. MOL does not feel Eastern at all to me. DCC does not in the slightest either. Worm is obviously cape shit. TWI mentioned above.
There's obviously variance, depending on what story we're talking about

>>24999646
Multiple characters. My first impression is that 3rd person stories don't easily tell you what a character is thinking/planning, so I end up just feeling like I'm reading someone's biography in a fictional world. But maybe I'm wrong, so I'm just gonna keep reading stuff to see.

>>24999649
I don't deny that there's western webnovels that aren't derived from eastern ones but you're really underrating
guilds, mana cores, systems. all popular tropes highly present in the scene and owed to the chinkaboos

>>24999649
>The Japanese were not unique for implementing game elements into stories
LitRPG is more like Korean/Russian thing.

>>24999659
Video games were such a massive worldwide popularity that it leaked into other media forms naturally and independently. It really is kinda silly to try to attribute one web novel sphere as having done it first and everyone copying them. Every culture did it themselves, because it was obviously going to happen. It was fucking video games, guys.

>>24999659
I blame sword art online personally. Didn't up come with it first, but definitely the reason so many jerk offs get isekai'd into game worlds and say status screen. The Koreans just refined it into the gamer and like the other anon said the idea of games is so wide spread unlike cultivation traits its a power system that doesn't come with certain cavets or expectations outside maybe a level system and an xp number. it's a very flexible tool to easily communicate growth to reader also, easier than cultivation which either experts you have read at least one prior cultivation novel and doesn't explain or must briefly explain why someone at the void dragon level is stronger than the perfect golden core formation level.

>>24999650
I'd offer a rec but I also dislike 3rd person multiple ensemble casts

>>24999683
>I also dislike 3rd person multiple ensemble casts
everyone does

>>24999678
>sword art online
It's not a 'real' LitRPG because no game logs and no progression.

>>24999687
Oh I didn't know this was common. Guess it wasn't much of a mystery then.

>>24999689
>literally set in an RPG
schizo gatekeeping

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This is it bros, I'm going to launch my story. It may be a disaster, it may be ugly, but this is it. Completely pedal to the metal. It's gonna be a fantastic ugly sonubitch clownfest of epic proportions. Fission Mailed successfully. All-in. Locked in. It's not joever, it's only just begun.

>>24999697
atmosphere matters more than strict definitions

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>>24999689
It's not as rounded out as what the genre became, but kirito levels up and gets new gear and autistically is trying to minmax the game using his foreknowledge. The author made it so they only had 12 skill slots so he's not getting a long list of abilities, but he does think about which ones to ditch so he can minmax.
He even went into detail about how strength affected weight limit and encumbrance. But honestly, I think a lot of the stat stuff got toned down in the anime and LN because his editor probably thought people would think the math was boring.
this is a status sheet he made in 2008

>>24999701
you're quite literally advocating for strict definitions when you say it's not litRPG because it doesn't adhere to arbitrary rules

>the Father of American LitRPG
Who's the mother?

>>24999703
"toned down" is an understatement
it's basically nonexistent in both the LN and anime

>>24999709
strict definition is that it's a literal RPG
common sense atmosphere definition requires game logs and progression for it to be litrpg

>>24999703
I don't remember any stats or stat window in the text? I do remember that MC's coat is a magical artifact though.

>>24999711
Legendary Moonlight Sculptor or Log Horizon

>almost zero superhero webnovels
Why? I thought it should have been quite popular?

>>24999735
retard maximus over here doesn't read enough

>>24999735
They're a staple on RR, and I assume elsewhere.

>>24999764
a staple is a stretch

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>>24999735
I fucking hate cape shit I cannot fucking avoid it, how are you avoiding it?

what are the staples of the erotic fantasy genre?

>>24999767
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&tagsAdd=super_heroes&tagsRemove=ai_assisted&tagsRemove=ai_generated
There's 200 pages of search results for Super Hero tagged fiction. The tag is regularly on RS and often near the top.

>>24999777
>comparable to cultivation
color me surprised. I guess my mind automatically filters it out

>>24999503
Popular stories are usually shit

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I picked up 'Got Dropped into a Ghost Story, Still Gotta Work.' after seeing it mentioned in the thread and I'm loving it, easily makes top 3 in my webnovel favorites, #1 for gooks specifically
Any stories similar to it? Doesn't have to be the premise or setting, it's mostly the pacing and characterization that's great.

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>managed to get back into my 2chappies/day routine again
>traveling again this weekend
Fuck my life. I gotta stack backlog while I can!

>>24999771
this is a good question. there's so many erotic fantasy novels but i wouldn't call any of them stand out or good. I guess 50 shades of grey? which started off as a twilight fan fiction would count?

>>24999771
Sharon Green was primarily a romance novelist. But she did some fantasy. That's how I came to know her name, because I read sci fi and fantasy. I never knew she did the romance. Here's one:
https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/products/an-oath-to-mida-sharon-green-1983-daw-books-ken-w-kelly-cover?variant=43757680787698
typical feature of her fantasy (I read two or three) will be an athletic female warrior captured with S&M themes. Sword and sorcery setting. I think first editions of her fantasy series and related fantasy books were first editions in 1970 or so. Updated cover art had them selling into the 80s.

>>24999424
Just because something is popular does not make it good. Take trab pub for example; Fifty Shades, Eat Pray Love, War and Peace and Elantris are all literary successes but they are all also unadulterated, unapologetically mid wit shit.
>>24999459
This anon gets it.
>>24999296
The ones this anon mentioned might not all be uber successful but they are stories rather then slop. And what makes a story you did not mouth breathe? Its where the protagonist faces challenges while experiencing growth, it also has narrative themes as well as a beginning, middle and end.

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I love stories about hunting monsters, cryptids, and/or ghosts. Tonight, I was suddenly struck by inspiration for something that's kind of like a mix between the Witcher and Goblin Slayer. Here's the incredibly basic pitch:
>Earth is a post-scarcity utopia. Thus, demand for hyper-realistic VR games has skyrocketed as people look for a break from the tedium of their "perfect lives"
>Naturally, this has led to a bunch of shitty and glitchy MMOs being made. However, even if a game is mostly abandoned, its persistent world means that NPCs are still plagued by issues that go unresolved because of the nonexistent playerbase. They're basically living in an endless cycle of torture.
>Not sure if the MC should be a real guy or a glitched NPC yet, but the main idea would be that he has to use his wits to solo a game that's balanced around real players forming parties
>Arcs would be monster of the week linked together by an overarching story
>Toying around with the idea of the few remaining players being psychos who are taking advantage of the fact that the Terms of Service are no longer being enforced
>There's also the possibility of ditching the MMO concept entirely in favor of a real fantasy world, but I thought that a gamified setting would have a wider appeal.

Has something like this already been done? After typing it out, it seems kind of generic, but I may just be communicating it poorly since I'm tired,. As I said, it needs a ton of refinement, but is it an irredeemably shitty concept?

>>24999917
What does the first part of your post have to do with the green text? And yeah, the pitch sounds incredibly generic. You need something that sets it apart, or at the very least, a gimmick that entices people to come in. Once people have read long enough to get hooked, you can slowly (or quickly) phase out the interesting part that they came in for and write the dime a dozen story you actually wanted to tell. I'm sure nobody will mind.

>>24999861
>Take trab pub for example; Fifty Shades, Eat Pray Love, War and Peace and Elantris are all literary successes but they are all also unadulterated, unapologetically mid wit shit.
You can't put Fifty Shades, Elantris, and War and Peace into the same category of popularity. Hundreds of millions of people are forced to read one of them, while the other two stand on their own merit.

>>24999917
ditch the MMO and just make it a real world that is also gamified
a lot of people dislike gameworld shit because it triggers the same feeling as "it was all a dream" for them

>>24999735
I can't speak for others but I skip over superhero stories. I can't really explain why, but I just get a dislike for them. I might watch the occasional superman or ironman movie, but I typically dislike the superhero part of those movies.

It's weird because I would like the same story if it were dressed up as a fantasy story instead.

>>24999653
They're more owed to the video games they are based on. A lot of this really comes down to D&D and the various interpretations of it.

>>24999979
same
I liked worm and super minion but every other superhero premise has repulsed me
couldn't tell you why these two specifically got a pass

>>24999627
He's right about the western web novel scene being built on the back of the eastern web novel scene. We had web novels before, but they were either on porn sites or someone's blog.

>>24999981
D&D for westies, dragon quest for japan
I don't really know what things like the gamer or kumo are based on
overlord is an interesting one in that it's a D&D style game setting in a korean style mmo transported to a generic tolkien fantasy land

Read reverend insanity

>>24999999
nice post timing script faggot

>>24999984
>dragon quest for japan
Even that line leads back to D&D through Ultima, Wizardry, and D&D itself. It's crazy to think how much of an influence D&D has had on modern culture. It's probably one of the most influential cultural works of our time.

>>25000016
>The Dao of post timing scripts

>>24999930
>What does the first part of your post have to do with the green text
Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know why I wrote it like that.
>And yeah, the pitch sounds incredibly generic. You need something that sets it apart
You're right. I guess I just needed someone to tell me it was dumb. I could probably come up with a gimmick, but it might be more trouble than it's worth. I got carried away because I just finished reading a compendium of monster folk legends as additional research for a traditional novel I'm currently writing. That one intentionally hits on nostalgia while adding unique twists, and my future kids are the real target audience anyway.
>>24999978
If I revisit the idea, a gamified real world would be my personal preference. I've always been interested in this type of story, but I couldn't think of a decent twist until today, and it's still too generic.

>>25000033
You could spin it as a real world that was treated as a game by a higher, supertechnological civilization. This will create a stronger sense of rebellion/underdog.

>>24999999
b-b-b-based!

Why isn't there more eldritch horror in Xianxia?

>>25000059
>a real world that was treated as a game by a higher, supertechnological civilization
I loved this concept in Stargate Atlantis in season 3. They found what seemed like a strategy game where you took control of a civilization. Later it turned out that those civilizations were real and that the Ancients were using it as a sociological test system to try out all kinds of ideas on how to structure a society.

>>25000075
clashing themes

>>25000075
It doesn't jive with face-slapping and chinese domination fantasies. If anything, "the heavens" is the eldritch horror everyone is trying to bitchslap (and failing, muh tribulations).

Just started reading Primal Hunter. Why the fuck do people paypig this slop? Ridiculously bad. Terrible prose, autistic wish fulfillment main character, no tension.

>>25000128
>autistic wish fulfillment main character
there you go

>>25000128
right time, right place

>>24999999
A GET so shit not even crossboarders bother coming here for it

>>24999166
I did the space dragon thing but it ended up being too short (7k words) and I can't be fucked extending it just to have a chance to win the contest. I regret taking the time away from my main story honestly.

>>25000128
Anon you need to be really careful when you spot something weird that people get sucked into to the point of paying money to continue.
>gee why do so many people keep spending all this money smoking smoking sucks I'm gonna try it until I get it oops I'm addicted now
Now is a great time to decide you don't like Primal Hunter before you get sucked in and become a patron.

>>25000185
such a lame theme this year

>>25000185
You can't write a 1k word prologue or epilogue or rant about space dragon politics or something?

I decided not to do it myself and I'm glad I didn't. I've been making good backlog progress on the fiction I'm soft launching in a couple weeks on patreon, hard launching next month on RR. I'm going hard, gonna make rising stars! I'm even going to ask to trade shoutouts with people!

Scribblehub has a misandry tag but no misogyny tag. Why is our culture like this? Why is one tolerated, but not the other?

>>25000207
Reframe your thoughts, son. We, the patriarchs, allow women misandry because we know it really doesn't matter what they think.

>>25000207
Man only need a trigger warning for misandry, while everything is misogynistic by default.

>>25000208
I'm looking at fictional stories though. That shouldn't matter. Besides, I don't get anything out of it anyway because I'm not a patriarch.

>>25000207
>enters female space
>why's it have feminine priorities and values
let me put on my thinking cap for this one

>Armed with nothing but instincts and a mysterious System, he must fight to grow stronger, evolve into something greater, and survive a world that wants him dead.
I love this cliché phraseology so much. Armed with nothing... except something that'll make you ramp like a motherfucker.
>Elon Musk came into this world armed with nothing except for a father who owned a blood diamond mine.
>John Smith must fight to survive in this mad world, armed with nothing except his instincts and a reusable Little Boy nuke.
>Can Ella truly survive as a villainess, armed with nothing except balloon tits, a beautiful face, knowledge of the future, all the riches in the world and five princes who all want to marry her?

>>25000221
>eroticaharemhub
>female space

>>25000228
We all want an underdog hero, meaning just a little under god hero.

>>25000228
I don't think Ella's going to make it. Give her a rare magical affinity like dark or light, and a massive MP pool, and a dungeon she can grind in during the nights in secret to hit the level cap. Then she MIGHT have a shot.

>>25000228
battle royale story featuring every stereotypical mary/gary sue protagonist

>>24999969
But I did because I did and still maintain that all four are sloppa of their times and genre.

>>25000228
Elon Musk arrived in New York with nothing but so many emeralds in his and the house his father would pay for.
Donald Trump, a low IQ blonde bone spur plagued Wharton School alumn stands in brooklyn with nothing but his slum lord fathers billion and the shirt on his back.

>Find a new and interesting Isekai novel
>Time to choose a class
>MC picks swordcuck or some shitty uNiQuE choice like "maintenance worker"
Why do these MCs never pick a proper offensive spellcaster? Have these people never played video games or board games?

>>25000329
This is almost always a result of an author's power fantasy. They have an idea of the kind of spechul unique edgelord they want to be and try to pants progression write their way too it. Absolute cart before the horse style of fuckup that is so prevalent throughout the scene it's cringe inducing.

>>25000329
>oh no, I ended up with Bootlicker, the worst class!
>wait a minute, as a Bootlicker, I can recognize the special qualities of shoes!
>these shoes used to belong to a sword master, if I put them on I get the powers of their original owner!
>and thus the weakest Bootlicker mastered the sword

got a new reader that left some heavy critique on two events and I feel that the issues came from heavily misunderstanding the feelings of the main character. I am once again stuck wondering if I need to be more explicit in why things are done.

>>25000399
>>25000354
This is also what's known as a "gimmick".

>>25000436
I'm actually curious, is it better to just play the trope straight rather than trying for a 'gimmick'?

The novelty of the gimmick feels so reliant on an author's creativity whereas just playing it straight feels reliable at the very least since you can reference other works easier.

>>25000422
> Is a readers criticism correct?
Sounds like a question only you can answer. If multiple readers tell you the same thing then listen, but if it's only one ... :shrug:

>>25000422
Having readers interpret situations in different ways and argue with each other is one of the most fun parts about writing web novels. I don't even want everyone to understand everything perfectly.

>>24999917
As another anon said, game world settings suck balls, as there are no stakes, and the question of "why doesn't he just log out" is always there. It's certainly possible to succeed anyway (see SAO or shangri-la frontier) but you're basically shooting yourself in the foot for no reason.

Also, who gives a shit if the setting is generic? (I don't even think the idea of a bored utopia resident throwing themselves into a dystopia is generic at all, hell, I'd read it.)
So long as the writing is good, people won't mind. You can be the world's most original writer, and nobody will care. You can also write isekai litRPG for the billionth time, and still see success.

>>25000190
I did it in the style of audio logs. A quick summary is that there is a dragon living in the earth's sun, a spaceship goes to check it out, then logs are recorded by 3 different members detailing the conversations they had. They all discuss aspects of humanity, which the dragon has been observing without context, and the dragon acts as a mirror so they can all reassess themselves while satisfying their own curiosity.
The easiest way I thought to extend it was to go full retard and make the crew lose their minds and kill each other, but this is not at all in the spirit of what I was going for. Though it would be fun to write.
Alternately, I could just add a fourth perspective, but I already have the selfless humanitarian, the angry skeptic, and the open minded neutral party. I don't really know what blank needs filling.

I'm open to suggestions, I think there's still 3 days left before submissions are due.

>>25000505
one of them was "the character should have done this but you didn't write it because you didn't feel like it" and I just didn't understand why one would think the character would do that to begin with, it felt like the motivations were all wrong and a misunderstanding of why the character was doing basically anything.
The other was "the character discarded an item of value because the value is meaningless to the story and you didn't want to address that" when the character was giving it to someone they cared about who could get more use out of it.
I feel that these kinds of interpretations end up with the reader feeling dissatisfied which I don't think is fun. If they thought the character was taking actions for different reasons, that's one thing, but saying it is for no reason at all I feel is either a miss in their comprehension or my ability to properly communicate.

>>25000455
What the fuck do you mean reliant on an author's creativity? Be creative, you dumb bitch, that is what makes you an author and not just a printing machine.

>>25000523
You shouldn't take individual readers so seriously. One of the early comments I got was saying the whole story was retarded because the MC didn't immediately genocide the rest of the country to avoid possible future problems. It's a waste of time to even give joke replies to these kids.

I know this is a popular opinion here, but man is annoying how all RR authors pussy out of any sort of romance or horniness in reincarnation isekai.
>hurr durr adult mind
yet constantly remind us that your hormones are influencing your mind/decisions.

I'd almost applaud the japs if they didn't have the diametrically opposite issue where they never touch the girl because muh purity.

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>>25000228

Current top RS has the most "low-rated" fictions I've seen in a while. Many sub 4.5 stars. Curious.

>>25000523
You're getting one guyed by a retard who is probably skimming shit and lacks the mental capacity to consider context in a character's actions.

Don't engage with the readers to answer questions that are answered within the story, they don't want to listen, and it only makes you look bad to other readers as someone who plays in the mud with the other toddlers.

>>24999917
Oh, this sounds like it has potential. Would absolutely give something with this premise a try. Help them NPCs, MC!

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>>25000033
Don't ditch the game world. It is typically a bad decision to have the fantasy world be deigetically fantasy, but your premise of AI NPCs, unaware of their illussory nature, living in constant terror of monsters and disasters designed to be managed and culled by parties of powerful heroes, and a lone wolf hero strategically strategizing cunning tricks and traps to alleviate their suffering, ooohhh, it is delicious. The best parts of Christian and Buddhist cosmology and morality, and you can spice it up by having an MC who doesn't even particularly adhere to either ideology, but that's just my preference, I swear I'm not the noirschizo from earlier, but he had a fucking point. What I'm trying to say here is, if you ditch the game world for a gamified real world, ypur setting will be no less generic for it, but your hero and his motives will be so much more generic, the game world has a justification, and you could always portal or isekai him into the world he's trying to help, if you really want to lock him in there or just don't have much you want to do with his native setting.

>>25000580
>ooohhh, it is delicious.
Anyone who talks like this should definitely kill themselves.

>>24999917
There's some fiction that some anon keeps shilling (something like player 0.4, or perhaps Redemption arc) about someone logging into a defunct world, but it's not MMO iirc.

>>24999351
>Cont
I'm just writing my impression as I read.
The 2nd chapter of ARCHTYPE is (almost) entirely dialogue, which is strange considering the first one was infodumping.
I'm beginning to notice some issues with the prose that are distracting me from the story.
This is only 800 words, but it has 8 instances "said my friend". Which comes off as repetitive, like there is no variation no "he said" or any replacement for said. Considering the entire chapter is just two characters talking, the talker-indicator is unnecessary.
It's interesting to hear people question the newspaper exposition from the last chapter.
Bit of dialogue also comes off as unnatural:
>"You're being an idiot," I said, "A super idiot. And you're making me responsible for you if you blow up, and this conversation was the only conversation you might have entertained where you might possibly have changed your mind. Won't you consider it just so we can go through it all together? If, like you say, there's some big evil government scheme going on then…shouldn't we face that together, man?"
Who talks like this? I'm not getting the personality of the speaker at all. Most of the sentences come off as childish, but then some formal usages like "might have entertained" come more mature.
Another issue is the lack of dramatization and blocking. For example:
>"I could say the same thing to you," he said, "Come with me. We can hide out somewhere, wait until this all blows over. It could be fun. Our own adventure."
Demands to be more dramatic, indicative of body movement, internal thoughts, or just anything.

Overall, this is a step down from the first chapter, and there is very little to hold onto, but I guess the plot is going somewhere; I just wish there was more momentum behind.

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Ugh, falling off main RS really killed my follower gains. The new year's break and slowing the release schedule were a dumb move. I should've just unloaded my whole backlog without caring about the writing quality. Oh well, live and learn. At least I don't get 0.5 star rating bombs or shoutout request spam anymore.

>>24999982
it is because they are static and episodic, they tend to reset stakes
and have no permanent goals

>>24999653
Guild were done in western mmos like Ultima first and the idea of an adventuring guild is from tabletop afaik
Don't know what you mean by mana cores but dungeon cores is definitely Korean/Jap idea but you cold argue it's inspired by Dungeon Keeper and similar games.
Systems is 100% Jap, it's literally the menus from Dragonquest and Final Fantasy.

>>25000623
systems is 100% chinese because they are lazy and want to tell the protagonist externally what to do like a remote

>>25000626
That's the sentient system that talks to the MC.
I meant the original one that's just a power system the MC uses

>>25000645
status is japanese, system is chinese, rpgs are western

>>25000596
What would Spectral Soul Demon Venerable do in this situation?

Your are not real writters you us AI and that’s is not writting. U fake.

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>>25000623
>ungeon cores is definitely Korean/Jap idea
Sigil Stones from Oblivion, bro?

>>25000623
>inb4 someone goes out of his way to write a western WN with as little eastern influence as possible
>it’s just a retelling of the Yakubite Wars, the fall of Hyperborea, and the Flight to Agartha

>>25000776
want to see this shit
i'm flabbergasted nobody has actually used any of this as a central point or as a basis for worldbuilding
i've seen maybe a handful of instances of underground areas being called Agartha and exactly one instance of a northern region based on Hyperborea full of sheet-white gigachad vikings

>>25000522
>I'm open to suggestions, I think there's still 3 days left before submissions are due.
Saturday is the deadline for the first 1k words of the story, you actually have almost a month to hit the 8k minimum (or beyond, if it's going to be a longer story, it doesn't even have to be a complete story by the time final judging starts).

>>25000623
nta
From what I understand, which may be outdated or wrong, the tropes for dungeon core originate from the trap'em up genre of games. Dungeon Keeper (1997) is a western choice, but it's by no means the earliest. Earlier examples include Tecmo's Deception: Invitation to Darkness (1996), though earlier western and eastern examples exist. Which game popularized into its modern form isn't something I know.

>>25000801
ugh fuck i have only 3 days(?) to decide if i want to go with my "serb war criminal gets kidnapped by aliens, escapes, becomes mercenary killing lizardmen on Aldebaran" or just stick with my current shit

>>24999154
That would be too long to read and too much of a commitment. The most realistic and viable ways would be for it to a collection of 1st chapters with a poll of whether it's a good idea, or even simply proposed description of what a story would be about. What you're saying is more like Royal Road's Writeathon. That isn't going to happen at all, ever.

>>25000800
Because it’s too on the nose. If you’re going to copy something from somewhere, you should, at the very least, file off the serial number. Or else it’s fanfiction.

>>24999861
>Just because something is popular does not make it good.
How did you interpret that post as saying those works are good? It says
>I think that's the most objective top list of English webnovels if we're not bringing personal opinions into the mix.
Work on your reading comprehension

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https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/135386/boomer-revelations-a-heavy-metal-apocalypse

Who wrote this trash?

>>24999459
Online discourse is such shit. Much like anything this retarded newfag loser would type.

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>>24998934
How does this aggregated tier list compare to the recs in the OP?

>>25000877
>Sanderson
???

>>25000866
>AI-assisted content
>MS paint cover
What do you hope to achieve by this lazyass joke?

>>25000877
What is Sanderson and Will Wight doing on that list? Neither are WNs. Iron Prince is most definitely not SS tier. However, in general, a solid list though people can argue about tiers for a lost of those stories. Also where the fuck is Worm?

>>25000881
its a progfant list not web novels

>>25000866
Write a proper Black Metal apocalypse instead of this lame pop shit.

>>25000887
I don't remember any training or distinct power scaling in his books.

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>>25000877
>List bottoms out at C, so SS=A, S=B, A=C, B=D, C=E
>PH in S (actually B, too high)
>Heretical Fishing in C (too high)
>All the Skills in any tier above the bottom one

>>25000891
stormlight archive's whole thing is by saying new 'words of power' or whatever the fuck they're called, you unlock new abilities and get stronger
even so, it's very debatably progressionfantasy. but the community gives it a general pass for being good enough, popular enough, and edging the definition

>>25000877
Is this for prog fantasy? Wtf is Sanderson doing there?

>>25000895
>indian accurate numerals
lmao nice

I think the initial complaints about the rec list were that many of the stories weren't prominent in the scene. Which is true of that tier list too (and several aren't even webnovels at all)

If you just go by opinions on what is good we will not form any consensus whatsoever

>>25000904
>If you just go by opinions on what is good we will not form any consensus whatsoever
Pretty sure we all agree The Wandering Inn is peak and deserves a top slot in the rec list

>>25000904
Yeah, but superhoeroes is one of the bigger genres when it comes yo webnovels, so you should definitely have Worm in there somewhere like the other guy said. It's extremely relevant

>>25000915
Worm is in the rec list already
That tier list anon posted is literally some unrelated bullshit pulled from the /r/progressionfantasy subreddit, it's not this thread's rec list
Scroll up and read the conversation in the first half of this thread

I could make the perfect recommendation list that nobody would complain about, but I'm not going to because you were mean to me yesterday

>>25000934
>Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon
oh hey it's that pizzacutter-edgy misery porn trash that will never get any actual conclusion because DCC took off
god what a waste of a good premise (kaiju)

>>25000940
>what a waste of a good premise (kaiju)
>kaiju
Isn't that like some generic current year monster from anime?

>>25000943
I hope you're just pretending to be retarded, but regardless of whether you are or aren't, God willing, your bloodline ends with you.

>>25000934
unsouled was kino, and is proof that westerners can write better cultivation stories then the chinese.

>>25000944
Can you elaborate?

The three rentry in the OP have no edit protection, so I'm somewhat surprised that no one has vandalized them. This means that anyone can edit them at any time for any reason. Be the change that you want to see. There are many ways to try to get a group consensus on what should be included, but they all require participation from many.

Some examples:
Post tier lists in text, images, or whatever else that can be collected together to be viewed individually or in aggregate.

Post your Royal Road profile to be indexed, or viewed by itself, with all your ratings and other information. This doesn't have to be made public and could be provided anonymously if wanted.

Goodreads probably wouldn't really have all that much of the web novels.

Google form in the form of a survey or similar

I'm sure there are many others ways. All that there needs to be is enough group participation and input. I could possibly do the rest.

>>25000955
>so I'm somewhat surprised that no one has vandalized them. This means that anyone can edit them at any time for any reason.
/wng/ is a high trust society

The rec list doesn't need changing, people will whine and bitch about literally anything

>>25000955
if I cant convince others that I am right changing the list is pointless.

>>25000955
nobody even opens those

>>25000934
tree of aeons is good and funny, wandering trash, industrial strength pregnancy beh

>>25000955
>I'm somewhat surprised that no one has vandalized them
What would be the point of doing it?

>>25000940
>will never get any actual conclusion because DCC took off
It has a perfectly good ending though

>>25000955
There are like 5 regular users in these threads and then another 5 one-stop tourists, no one cares enough to even look at the lists, let alone vandalize them

>>25000998
This is the most active general on the board lol
We have more than 5 fucking schizos that you can recognize on sight, much less regulars

>>25001003
All me.

>t. samechad

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>>25000985
well, yes, but it was left open for a sequel and there was no actual closer with any of the syndicate besides one of their servers getting busted, obviously leading up to something next to possibly go up the chain taking down bigger and bigger fish
which will now never happen because DCC
though it might be for the best because as much as I despise KBS I despise DCC even more

>>25000959
Good joke.

>>25000962
That isn't a valid argument not to do anything. Whether anons whine and bitch is irrelevant.

>>25000963
The current list didn't care about that at all.

>>25000972
Malice, boredom, lulz, etc

>>25001031
>That isn't a valid argument not to do anything. Whether anons whine and bitch is irrelevant.
the argument has already played out above, why are retards bringing it up again?
even the annoying fucks who complained about the list refuse to give a revised one, and only one of them even gave any real reasoning at all, saying that smaller works shouldn't be allowed

>>25000877
Good job making the image small enough that a number of the titles are illegible!

Pretty sure you need the edit code to change the lists.

He Who Posts The Thread Decides All

>>25000911
not sure everyone's thing will be reading about bugs and lizards fucking.

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Peak!

>>25001126
that is unnecessary, the upkeep for the first some gus is horrific already

>>25000877
finally a good list murder hobo is too high.

/wng/ is about author gods
it is not about reader cattle
the only recs should be from serious authors who deserve to be linked so that the cattle can worship and donate to them and their fellow gods to compare themselves

>>25000896
>stormlight archive's whole thing is by saying new 'words of power' or whatever the fuck they're called, you unlock new abilities and get stronger
AD&D's influence again. Spells could have one or more of the following. Verbal, Semantic, or Material components to pull it off. It was an extremely high level magic user skill to be able to use spell X at will with no componentry and even then they were lower level skills.
>T. former AD&D autist when young. I could almost dig a fnatasy magic novel that adhered to AD&D standards at most/all times yet dropped the RPG number components, IE written as real life. Wouldn't retro sometimes be a thing, back to basics being refreshing.

>>25001126
Women are like clothes while brothers are like our hands and feet.

>>25001126
Best and most relatable explanation for a power system I've ever seen.

>>25001127
Only if one is part of a team, but clan teams suck.

>>25001122
why?

>>25000904
forget prominent i think the list just trys to outline flags in certain sub genres the problem being kumo is the only eastern WN on there.

>>25001140
You are a complete idiot who is trying to relate something you believe you know to something you know nothing about. This is Tina-level argument.

>>25000847
we could have an outline contest. A brief explanation of each chapter's goal. The top ones would look like possible winners to write if an author was up to the task. I wold ask that the goal was to have an ending, even if it left room for the never ending story afterwards. You would be expected to note what were twists and reveals, etc. Top X by votnig could advance to the first chapter round. Then onlookers could join in, with a side contest of blurb writing for the stories. Turn it into a block party. Noobs would be learning what might be good practices for WNs. Writers with good skills but lacking the finer points of WNs could take cracks at things.

The fact that Reverend Insanity is not on the list is almost certainly a deliberate dodge by the creator.

Okay Delve joins PGTS in the "I like this" club.

Fuck it was just so freaking good, while the author was still commited to writing everything just made so much sense, the world fel alive, there were consequences to everything. Too bad it's basically dropped now.

I've tried Ar'Kendrithyst, but i don't really find the main characters interesting.

we have:
Erick
>Old
>Social worker on earth
>Pacifist
>Uncurious
>Not a hard worker
>Apparently was a womanizer while young
>Terrible father who let his daughter get into fights and trouble

Jane
>Glowie aspirant
Like she would be okay MC i guess

But the both of them hate humans or what? In the first few chapters they're shittalking humans and are glad they are in non-human city, which makes no fucking sense as Erick was social worker on earth - so he wanted to work with humans but also hates them?

Shits retarded.

Give me something similar to Delve, it's what i imagined more Litrpg/progression fantasy would be like. I just liked how the world and the characters were written. The math shit could be toned down for sure tho.

>>25000657
order a mocha grande?

>>25001148
>>25001154
I just don't understand this, how can one novel written by a literal chinese nobody peak above all western web novel slop?

>>25001177
It's nowhere as amazing as a single anon pushing their preferred work constantly and consistently for years despite doing it for free, futile, and being persecuted for it. Their dedication is legendary in its infamy.

>>25001177
Because classic literature is venerated in China, even for common plebs. Classics and poetry are part of mandatory grade school education. This is why the Chinese value literary merit in websloppa, while westerners don’t.

If you are familiar with Chinese classics, you can even see the references.
>Liu Bei said, "The ancient had a saying: 'Brothers are as hands and feet; wives and children are as clothing. You may mend your torn dress, but who can reattach a lost limb?'

>>25001182
Judge a book by its fanbase applies here.

>>25000884
The AI tag use comes from me using AI to fix my spelling and grammar.
>>25000888
GWAR is better than any faggot in black make up.

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aieeee i'm slopping

>>25001212
that tobacco looks comical

>>25001182
How difficult is the perseverance of one person?

All of the Anons here could answer that question.

Because among them, some persevered because of responsibility, some persevered because of hatred, some persevered because of excitement, and some persevered because of love…

And RIchad's answer?

He was still expressionless, he continued to move forward relentlessly.

I had once screamed, gradually, I lost my voice.

I had once cried, gradually, I lost my tears.

I had once grieved, gradually, I became able to withstand everything.

I had once rejoiced, gradually, I became unmoved by the world.

And now!

All I have left is an expressionless face, my gaze is as tough as a monolith, only perseverance remains in my heart.

This is my own, an insignificant character, RIchad's — Perseverance!

>>25001189
>Liu Bei said, "The ancient had a saying: 'Brothers are as hands and feet; wives and children are as clothing. You may mend your torn dress, but who can reattach a lost limb?
man ancient chink lit is kino
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>>25001221
you're right, fixed

>>25001223
Tina...

>>25001245
>man ancient chink lit is kino
The Tang Dynasty was the peak, yeah.


I heard saints drink wine that is clear,

And sages only drink wine that is turbid.

Since both saints and sages drink wines,

Why do I still care to seek for eternal life?

I think I got the minimum requirements for the community magazine entry done past some minutes ago. Hit 8k words. Chapter one already submitted two days ago.

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The new chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out!!!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2921463/hero-part-nine

In this chapter: I AM BATMAN!

>>25001272
Tina-anon responding. No, that wasn't me. As always, I own what I post. If it was me, I'd claim it. Lately, there's been more "false Tina sightings" than ever. If it keeps up, I shall have to change my pen name to Elvis. Or maybe bigfoot. But keep convincing yourselves, that I'm the problem.
>
there. My empty line, kind of my signature. And the post you were referencing, that is neither my writing style nor my posting style. I never wax that poetic.

>>25001571
Kinoman. Nice to see you must have gotten your new power supply for your PC laptop. Hope you spend the extra couple bucks for the higher wattage one.

>>25001584
yeah, from 150w to 240w.

>>25001585
Good job. Hm. I think I'll glance at your latest chapter.

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>>25001624
I SCREAMED

>>25001571
You are a Californian.

>>25001689
And?
I have writing in the blood.

>>25001571
I read the first half of it. I don't have any knowledge of the plot, arc(s), characters, nothing.For tone I'm reminded of when I was little, there were these classic Three Musketeers movies. Campy action. That's the sense I get. Fun, lighthearted entertainment, not meant to be taken too seriously or critically. Like... watching "Hercules, the Legendary Journeys" or "Xena, Warrior Princess". I can't complain about a few typos. We all have them until we edit edit edit. if I were editing it, I'd probably stop and adjust commas as I found myself having "flow" as I call it interrupted. I know my rough drafts had a lot of comma add on sentences, and I have been trimming that down over the last several projects. I'm (definitely) not Conan the Grammarian, but I think I see commas where they aren't needed. I use them like that in dialogue to indicate natural slight pauses in speech patterns. But not outside of dialogue. You get more hate than you deserve, its decent prose and grammar. Trust me, I've spot checked WNs that were light years behind this. I likewise can't comment on the dialogue style. There's different ways people do it, and each have their fans and critics.
>
You do yours a typical way I see a lot:
"Please", Bob said, "have a seat."
>
I abandoned that "inline" bob said thing. I like the clear direct way of dialogue only inside the quotation marks:
>
Bob waved at the chair.
"Please, have a seat."
>
its just a style or preference, nothing wrong with yours. As you were, back to slopping young man. Good job.

i was born in california but i moved to washington 5 years ago.

>>25001694
Kinoman, also had blood in the writing. Because due to the sheer volume of output, he obviously like a ballerina types until his fingers bleed. Now *that*, is dedication. Which is why he deserves his starbux art-hoes.

I just binge watched Martial Universe, is the novel worth reading?

>>25001702
>That's the sense I get. Fun, lighthearted entertainment, not meant to be taken too seriously or critically.
“Ahem…no?
But this chapter is kind of transitional, so it’s normal to think that.
>I can't complain about a few typos.
Do you mean typos, or just grammar rules I’ve made up to create my own style?
>"Please", Bob said, "have a seat."
I hate this too, but it’s kinda useful for pausing the dialogue and creating a better flow.

>>25001706
Dipper Pines?

>>25001723
>Do you mean typos, or just grammar rules I’ve made up to create my own style?
I don't do Conan the Grammarian, and that's on myself or anything I read. I worry about what I call flow. If something jumps out at me. A word I think might be misspelt, a comma feels out of place, it drags my attention. When I edit, I adjust until I can read the paragraph again without any interruption to the movie I'm getting in my head. If I edited what i read thjere, the difference would be slight. I'm no crab, you know that. I think you're doing fine. Me, I like to after reading through for continuous flow, add little flourishes:
Bob waved at the chair.
"Please, sit down."
will become:
Bob indicated the adjacent chair, with a flourish of his rolling hand.
"Please, sit down."
I think of it like those little curly figures in the corners of the face of a drawer. A slight artistic flair. Its my attempt to present a more mature style, without forcing purple prose. I also for some reason like alliteration:
Bob punched the table top in frustration.
will become on a later reading editing pass:
Bob battered the table top in frustration, though just the once as he checked the power he punctuated his display with. (bob battered, power...punctuated, he...his). Gives it a "ring" I like to hear, and I feel it separates my writing from others. The more reading passes, the more this stuff happens. There's a lot of ways to say the same thing. I just think of it as my style.

>>25001717
kino man's output is not high though
he prewrote most of the story didn't he?
and somehow he still posts slower than the average slopper

>>25001829
He had a lot of it written back in the wg days like 3 years ago yea

>>25001829
I drafted 200,000 words before I started serializing, and from my word counter, now, I’ve almost reached 300,000. I rewrote every single chapter using the draft as an outline, and in the process, I cut about 50,000 words from the draft and added about 150,000 new words.
The reason I’ve been slow is health issues and work problems I had during the publication of Volume 4. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>25001843
If you compare what I’ve posted on WG with the 'finish' product, you’ll find that about 75% of the words are different.

>>25001778
Yeah, but it’s risky. I try to keep all my chapters, except for the special one, under 5,000 words.
If I do what you suggest, the Amazon release would end up at 400,000 words on a single book.

Madness.

no writing samples being posted. lets see about fixing that.
https://files.catbox.moe/0b513k.txt

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>>25001867

>>25001867
a couple of minutes. Yeah, you definitely read the entire thing. You did a paragraph or two. Whatever. (pepe saved, I didn't have that one, thanks)

>>25001876
well? lets see your latest rough draft chapter. Perhaps I can see how its done properly then.

>>25001867
it's a recurring debate in this thread that prose doesn't matter at all, but prose does matter: you need to clear a certain bar of readability/clumsiness
you don't clear that bar, you should put more practice into the line level and understand what makes clean and enjoyable (or at least invisible) sentences

>>25001887
never fall back on 'it's a rough draft' when someone calls something of yours bad. you will lose everyone's respect for that.

ESLs want ESL prose.

This life is a rough draft.

>>25001890
you like those short tiny clipped sentences, right? Its okay, a lot of people do.

>>25001908
Those sentences are not short, in fact they are much longer than they need to be. They can be massively condensed without losing any meaning which is one of the biggest marks of an amateur.
Don't take a snippy attitude when you posted work and implicitly requested feedback.
I can address your first paragraph to demonstrate what I mean, give me a moment.