None More Black Edition>Old:>>25000152>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25008275>He wanted to write an essay, but Tor Books told him to roll up anything that is not a direct Blindsight sequel into a tube so that he can fuck himself with it, so he seethed and malded and pounded sand and made his essay into something that can technically count as a direct sequel, but also makes it so that nobody ever asks for a third installment.I wonder if this lead to another story in the same setting not being a proper novel, but rather a short free release.https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-twenty-one-second-god/
Please recommend me some power fantasy books.
>>25008324>mfw trench crusade is imploding before we even got the chance to see some fiction for it
>>25008336Have you read the original Tarzan books? That's as good as escapist power fantasies get.>kills physically superior apes with the power LONG TOOTH>teaches himself to read with zero human contact>once he enters civilization he adapts to it perfectly>stays rich by stealing gold from a lost city with a hot queen who wants to bang him>master of beasts, they answer his call>visits the Hollow Earth
>>25008275Echo is a side-quel, not a direct sequel.>more disingenuous bad faith faggotryI hope you work through your issues before you expect people to engage you in any form of discussion IRL.
>>25008332We know for a fact that Echopraxia sold way, way worse than Blindsight, which itself was an unexpected breakout bestseller, and written under a contract that heavily favored the publisher at Watts' expense (because his previous works made for Tor never made any money). The publisher really wanted to turn the breakout hit into a series that could be milked for 10+ books while taking advantage of the rising digital distribution model and the peanuts pay contract they had with the author, hence the efforts to meme the "Firefall series" (a name that you will never find on Watts' own website) into existence. Meanwhile Watts didn't want to write dozens of entries of slop, especially as continuation of the book that he didn't want to continue, especially for peanuts, but he still wanted to get published, so he just jigsawed the leftovers of essay notes for Blindsight over a barely-a-plot with I-can't-believe-it's-not-characters and mailed it to the publisher as the agreed-upon sequel. Naturally, it failed to make anything, so Tor Books sent Watts off to eat shit, selling off all the rights they had for change to cut their losses on this Canadian weirdo. Which is how "Firefall" ended up as a "two-book series" with an omnibus published by an entirely separate company that never had anything to do with Watts previously.
>>25008380I accept your concession.
>>25008058Which one is this?
>>25008385>immediate newfag buzzphrasesasugaone of your type every thread
>>25008388I asked you specific questions, which are the regular ones asked by nearly everyone who ever read Echopraxia. You refused to answer them, because your brand of cultism is not about engaging with the works in question - it's about jerking yourself into a coma to the vibes. It's also why Watts hates interacting with his fanbase.
>>25008384Dude just can't catch a break with publishers. I remember he was mega mad over βehemoth being split into two books for absolutely no reason beyond publisher wanting to increase sales.
>>25008393>publisherSIt was Tor.
>>25008392>ongoing repetition of insults and assumptionsI hope you work these issues out before you assault somebody in real life or get hurt.>>25008393It's funny how in three AMAs about Blindopraxia, he never mentioned Tor wanting Blindsight to be some big series or how he wasn't "allowed" to write other things. He actually spoke a lot about how Tor barely helped him (advertising, editing, etc.) Of course a newfag nigger who can only insult and make gross assumptions would (big surprise) make shit up.
>>25008387The one that's a sequel to Shakespeare's Tempest
>>25008384It's sad he hasn't really written anything of note since Echopraxia. Except Peter Watts Is An Angry Sentient Tumor aka collection of essays he couldn't spin into anything proper. He's now on the level of every wannabe writer out there submitting their stories to magazines.
>>25008401>I hope you work these issues out before you assault somebody in real life or get hurt.I'm not Watts, I am not prone to nigging out on law enforcement. >how he wasn't "allowed" to write other thingsOf course he was allowed to write other things - Tor just would not publish them (and pay him), hence those other things ending up in mags or on his own website. >he never mentioned Tor wanting Blindsight to be some big seriesBecause he didn't want a big series, hence no reason to amplify the publisher's signal to get his fans hyped for something that he refuses to do. >He actually spoke a lot about how Tor barely helped himAnd you know why, don't you?
>>25008412>2016+er defends cops while reddit spacinglolz
>>25008346>trench crusade is implodingWhat went wrong?
>>25008324Dragonsteel Convention>Brandon has assembled a quorum of fantasy and sci-fi authors, featuring Tomi Adeyemi, Brown Brown, and Matt Dinniman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Y9tK8I8A8Here are some notes:Stats are from GoodreadsBrandon Sanderson, 50, Mistborn: The Final Empire (Mistborn, #1) 967k ratings, all books shelved 18,107,604 timesBrown Brown, 37,Red Rising (Red Rising Saga, #1) 763k ratings, all books shelved 4,987,035 timesMatt Dinniman, 50, Dungeon Crawler Carl (Dungeon Crawler Carl, #1) 208k ratings, all books shelved 1,612,086 timesTomi Adeyemi, 32, Children of Blood and Bone (Legacy of Orïsha, #1) 250k ratings, all books shelved 1,155,518 timesSanderson and Dinniman mock Patrick RothfussBrown downplays RedditDinniman praises Scalzi. He wants to write standalones.EARLY WORKSDinniman wrote GI Joe/Transformers crossover fanficsBrown wrote Greek myth fanficAdeyemi wrote self-insert Naruto fanficMAKE SF CONCEPT REALAdeyemi wants a Death NoteBrown wants Men-in-Black memory wiperSFF TRENDSSanderson says that in 2001, people in the industry were saying that Rice killed vampires, then Twilight released not long after.Sanderson says that predicting industry trends is futile. Asks them to do it anyway.Dinniman says more unusual books will be released, praises Gideon the Ninth. Says trad publishers never would've taken Carl if it weren't so popular.They agree that marketing overrules all others.Brown talks about the death of monoculture and gatekeeperBrown talks about 50s-60s SF could make a comebackSanderson says that Fourth Wing is Eragon plus kissingRETIRE OR PROMOTE A TROPEBrown: Retire lower class infiltrating militaryAdeyami: banish women who don't know how pretty they areDinniman: promote rubenesque, promote normal people, banish talking petsBrown praises AbercrombieREADER INTERACTIONSanderson: I don't get to be the young upstart anymoreBrown: I hate social media and hate performative people.Dinniman: I love Patreon. Use a pen name. I have a few crazy fans. I'm moving because of them. Some of them harass my family.Adeyami: I love my fans.POLITICSDinniman: Times of upheaval are politicalBrown: art is politicalAdeyami: Oppression is everything and everywhereTROPESBrown: Publishers and readers are asking for tropes. This will create homogeneity. Casting calls for authors to write books filled with specific tropes.Dinniman: Publishers asking follower counts on social mediaAdeyami: if social media gets more people to buy more books, then I don't care about your arguments about theory and aestheticsBrown: I gave up after 129 rejections and wrote Red Rising to be popular so that I could later write what I really wanted to write.WRITING UNLIVED EXPERIENCESThey all agree that it's very important to have a relevant person and sources to check the authenticity of your writing.Dinniman: self awareness as an author is one of the most difficult skills to obtain and practice
>>25008441If you wanted Reddit SFF it's right there.
>>25008441>I have a few crazy fans. I'm moving because of them. Some of them harass my family.i fucking bet
>>25008441I should've looked over this again before posting. Brown Brown? Really? Pierce Brown, a victim of word replace because I kept using Pierce instead of Brown to refer to him.
>>25008441>Brandon Sanderson, 50, Mistborn: The Final Empire (Mistborn, #1) 967k ratings, all books shelved 18,107,604 times>Brown Brown, 37,Red Rising (Red Rising Saga, #1) 763k ratings, all books shelved 4,987,035 times>Matt Dinniman, 50, Dungeon Crawler Carl (Dungeon Crawler Carl, #1) 208k ratings, all books shelved 1,612,086 times>Tomi Adeyemi, 32, Children of Blood and Bone (Legacy of Orïsha, #1) 250k ratings, all books shelved 1,155,518 timesI haven't even read the rest of your post and I can already imagine what their opinions are.
Merry and Pippin are hanging out with the ents and this shit drags so much… I want to see Wormtongue and Helms Deep
>>25008543Now don't be hasty, Master Meriadoc.
>>25008432>What went wrong?Their whole deal was catering to Warhammer fans,"but we're cheap and indie and fan-friendly and Open Source unlike Games Workshop". In practice this was supposed to mean free rule books, cheap 3D-printed miniatures, cheaply sold STL-files for fans to 3D-print their armies on their own, and support of fan projects. Then they burned through their Kickstarter money, found out that they can't make stacks of dosh this way, and went on to just copy the GW business model - overpriced injection plastic crack and rules, total abandonment of 3D printing angle, zero tolerance for fan projects, and purging of independent promoters who deviate one inch from the corpospeak agenda. So fans ended up with just another Warhammer 40000™ with all of it's inherent downsides, but also tinier and shittier, since GW at least has scale and half a century of experience.
remember when ender's brother and sister became president of earth by posting on social media?
>>25008441>Sanderson and Dinniman mock Patrick Rothfuss
>>25008646To be fair, if anyone deserves being mocked it's him.
>>25008646That post was a bit of an understatement, they took multiple shots at Rothfuss throughout the panel. He seems to have moved to "fair game"
>>25008441You forgot about the part where Adeyemi stated that female authors in their 30's, usually mothers, upend the zeitgeist and transform the industry citing Rowling and Collins and Brown's insistence that the next trend will be angels, leading them to ask him if he's writing about angels after Red God.
>>25008651The sequel to Name of the Wind is straight up the worst thing I have ever read. Can't find words for how much it sucks, the publisher must have known they were just throwing it out there and abandoning a third entry. They should have told him to start over and probably did, he also 100% typed this thing up seconds before the deadline
>>25008748I think the problems began with the first book. If you're going to do the 1 book = 1 day of Kvothe telling his story, that's a fine narrative device and I'm all in favor of it. But in order for the trilogy to tell the whole story, he should've probably had Kvothe kicked out of the university at the end of Name of the Wind, had that be the narrative climax. That way the university stuff wouldn't be there as a crutch for him in the next book and he'd have had to ADVANCE things.I will make little comment on sex fairies and the martial arts training arc because I remember little of either.
>>25008411>He's now on the level of every wannabe writer out there submitting their stories to magazines.which is bullshit because it gives him a leg up as opposed to some unknown writer getting his big break
>>25008664I didn't forget. I intentionally excluded a lot of what she said. She was clearly there for diversity reasons. The previous one with Robin Hobb was a better choice and far more in line with the other members. She was out of place. Also that went to the 3000 max characters and I had to remove some.
>>25008350Are any of the Tarzan comics good? I'm guessing they tone down the racism, but there's probably some more power fantasy going on.
>>25008441>GI Joe/Transformers crossover fanfics>self-insert Naruto fanficBased
>>25008841Full disclosure, I remember nothing about those comics despite reading a ton of them as a kid (in the 90s)
>>25008324What's this general's stance on femmc fics?
thinking of reading Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, there seems to be a few editions and stuff.is the Ultimate version that bundles them all together good enough?
>>25008939Only passable if they're written by men, I'm afraid
>>25008939awhile back i asked for some decent femmc books and there wasn't really anything there except some YA stuff which, while fine, isn't really what was looking for either
>>25008441>Brandon Sanderson>Author of Reddit Rising>Author of Dungeon Crawler Carl>Female Author of [Noun] of [Noun] and [Noun]Sounds like the worst panel of all time.
>>25008841They are pleasant camp. Not particularly good, not something to really sit down and devour. They are like a butterscotch candy.
>>25009040Putting anything with "+ Rising" in the title is such an AI generated thing to do.
>>25009020When you say "all", is that just the five books that Adams wrote, or does it add the shitty sixth book by Eoin Colfier?
What is the novel equivalent of a comfy anime series with girls doing cool and cute things? Slop is fine, but I did start a book that was like a video game isekai where the author kept autistically going into literal videogame stat details, and that was fucking awful, so not anything like that.
>>25009090The Wheel of Time
>>25009090Probably that one book with the lesbian orc barista (never read it)
>>25009090Slice of life light novels that are about that, specifically the light novels that are the source for those anime
>>25009090Actual anime series are already overflowing with these combinations. That's why I only read grimdark novels about anime girls doing disturbing and brutal things.
>>25009090I'm going to write a historical novella about a Sarmatian girl that has to slay three men to get married in accordance with ancient Amazonian law. There's other cute stuff, but you asked for cool too.
>>25009144I'm also open to that to be honest.
why french people are bad at fantasy/scifi?
>>25009149The French are only good when they're under a Catholic monarchy. At all other times they suck no exceptions.
>>25009090If you want slop to relax to read Shadow Slave. It's like a LN but not written by a jap. It's a good mix of fun, characters and action with surprisingly good worldbuilding for being LN slop.If you really want novel novel just pick up anything I guess. Most aren't going to be something you need a brain for. Just avoid Sanderson if you dislike everything explained to you 5 times like you're retarded
>>25009146Try out Omaegotoki
>>25009149Miéville does sound like a french surname
>>25009144I too enjoy dark mahou shoujo.
>>25009169>dark mahou shoujodoes it exist? first time hearing this. any example please?
>>25009174Uh, nta, but Madoka?
>>25009177oh yeah madoka thx
is anything by sandermeme good?
>>25009077only the ones by Adams.i did like artemis fowl, but the concept of someone continuing a series after the author's death like that feels very disrespectful. i'll treat it as it's own thing
>>25009151Calm down, Dumas.
>>25009154I'm really looking for like a normal novel that just has the vibes of the kind of anime I'm describing. Not an actual manga.
>>25009231I liked MistbornYou could give it a try and make your own opinion
>>25009151We going to have this conversation again, you monarchist?
>>25009149Fuck you, mon ami
>>25009149but the french have the best currently active fantasy author.
>>25002875>>25008275The short story, The Colonel, introduces and goes into quite a bit of good detail about the Bicamerals, their practioner's faith, hivemind, and a hive-networked led attack on a military installation. In it, Jim Moore 'The Colonel,' (Siri Keeton's father) has lunch with a hivemind avatar/representative who tells him they have detected a signal from his son's ship (Theseus) that went dark. This is why he defects and is at the Monastery with the bicamerals, interacting with and in the hive. The military has failed to intercept this signal from Theseus so The Colonel is there tapping in trying to find info about his son.Valerie escapes the research lab during the 'bloodtype' short story it introduces her, and the zombies to put her in geographic and narrative proximity to Echopraxia.I wouldn't argue that it's not a contrived story. It objectively is. You may not like these reasons and see everything as a mish mash of characters cobbled together to tell a story. To be fair the guy wrote 70 or 80 pages to prep you for this interweaving of characters and narrative. Also, it always gives me a chuckle how much polarizing the right angle shit is. Is it stupid and makes no sense? Sure. Do I care? No, not really. Watt's space vampires is an interesting concept and it doesn't all have to make sense for me to have fun with it.
>>25008392I replied in my post above but I'm out and about right now and failed to properly link my other reply. See your answers there.
>>25008324Oh, that's a cover art from The Black Iron RPG (you can find it free in Google by asking for "the black iron rpg pdf"), a pretty based dark fantasy post-apocalyptic setting. Never played it, but love its art and lore, pretty close to Symbaroum.
>>25009390>right angle shitAll the problems I had disappeared when it was alluded to as a possible artificial fault introduced by the fucks pulling the strings
>>25009355I'm not a monarchist and not a Christian. Merely an observer and despiser of nu-France.
>>25008336Not a shitpost, and I'm not the guy that posts this every thread.Bayne is very much a Conan, but with the powers and sorta-kinda backstory of The Nameless One. His story is one long version of "if you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail" and by the 2nd book you'll start seeing the nails coming, whatever their form, and will cheer when the hammer descendsit's fun
>>25009372which are...?
series with aryan goddesses?
>>25008441>>25008664I had mentioned her briefly in passing to my mom because the author has the same birth date as me. She called me up later today and was like "oh, I knew that bitch's name sounded familiar" and told me about her feud with romance author Nora Roberts over her "stealing" her book title, pissing and shitting everywhere, then played the race card on her until she was forced to apologize when Roberts proved that she submitted the book and title to her publisher before Adeyemi's book was published.https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelkramerbussel/2018/12/01/nora-roberts-tomi-adeyemi-title-plagiarism-accusation/KWAB!
>>25009231Mistborn (first book only)Stormlight (first two books only)WarbreakerTressYumiIf you read any one of these and decide you don't like it, don't bother reading any more, you won't like the rest of his work either. Don't bother going deeper into any of the series until you've at least read the first three of these, then read the rest of Mistborn (including era 2), then read the rest of Stormlight.
The anons who recommended BotNS and The King of Elfland's Daughter are chads with impeccable taste in literature.The anons who recommended Titus Groan and The Belgariad are trolls trying to waste everyone's time.That is all.
>>25009731Are there any good themes? I like breadcrumbs and paragons for protagonists. Moments of righteous fury will do.
>>25009576Surely they could've given it a better cover
>>25009754Moorcock's Elric booksJohn Brunner - The Compleat Black TravellerC.L. Moore - Jirel of JoiryFrans G. Bengtsson - The Long Ships
>>25009802It used to have an arguably better cover. For the omnibus and the individual volumes.
>>25009802it's soulful because it's trying. the previous ones look better on a shelf but the new ones look better on a different, more rarefied shelf
Why did the middle ages become the default inspiration for secondary worlds?
>>25009874far enough removed from modern times to feel fantastical, not far enough removed to feel alienfew enough technological advancements to allow many plots that would feel nonsensical otherwisemy best guess, anyway
>>25009874it's well documented and has a lot of cool stuff going on, like swords and kings and epic charges into battleother, older eras may have been more kino but aren't as documented or well known. more recent eras start feeling too modern, and for whatever reason it's impossible to do anything from the 1400s on without it feeling like steampunkthe one glaring exception ofc is Rome, which is arguably more kino and more documented than the middle ages. i don't get why it's ignored. perhaps, paradoxically, it also feels too modern...?
>>25009874There's thousands of years of history that you can mix and match without it feeling anachronistic to most readers.
>>25009758The whole setting is breadcrumbs, so you'll probably like that. Paragons is kind of a funny one because while a few of them show up, he likes to undercut them. For example, Kelsier is a prominent character in Mistborn 1 who has done absolutely nothing wrong ever in his entire life. When he occasionally crops up elsewhere in the chronology, Sanderson tries to beat the reader over the head with "HIS CHARACTER IN MISTBORN 1 WAS ALL PROPAGANDA, HE'S ACTUALLY LE EVIL, STOP EMPATHIZING WITH HIM YOU DUMB CHUDS" while failing to ever demonstrate him doing something that isn't completely reasonable.Another good candidate would be Adolin from Stormlight, but while he's a fun and interesting character, most of what you see from him is filtered through other characters' perceptions, and by the time he starts getting the screen time that he's due, Sanderson's writing falls off a cliff. Mostly Sanderson writes autistic incels/femcels as MCs. Somehow Kaladin is the most incellish out of all of these despite canonically having had sex before the start of Stormlight.
>>25009911I only read the first Mistborn trilogy but Kelsier seemed very obviously a bad guy to mehe's literally Dutch from Red Dead Redemption, just an extremely arrogant doofus who just needs one more plan bro, just one more last heist, as he leads his group into one disaster after anotherdude sends his armies and men off to their deaths without a care because his only goal is to be the next Jesus. was it not at all obvious that's not a thing a good guy does?
>>25009911Thank you for this thoughtful answer
>>25009939>dude sends his armies and men off to their deaths without a care because his only goal is to be the next JesusBASED!!! This is exactly what I'm looking for in a protagonist. Men do what they're made for and he becomes a hero.
>>25009939I haven't played RDR or read any of the source material if such exists, but you nailed Kelsier and I still don't see how he did anything wrong. It's not like his track record is a secret, and yet people keep following him because he's a man worth following.
>>25009939Kelsier is a canonical sociopath lol REMINDER that Kelsier is in Fortnite!
>>25009911>failing to ever demonstrate him doing something that isn't completely reasonable.I dunno his "kill nobles, behead nobles, Roundhouse kick a noble into the concrete. Slam dunk a noble baby into the trashcan" bit was the only thing really bad but it kind of makes sense with how they treat the Skaa (you can rape one but you have to kill her after)
>>25009985The only noble who wasn't demonstrably evil was the cringy autistic mary sue retard that the while series would have been better off without. Kelsier did nothing wrong.
>>25009983>REMINDER that Kelsier is in Fortnite!I could never forget
Why did Arthur fuck his sister?;
>>25009390>The short story, The Colonel, introduces and goes into quite a bit of good detail about the Bicamerals, their practioner's faith, hivemind, and a hive-networked led attack on a military installationThat's why Watts puts him there - to be one of the mouths at the podcast table. By why is _taken aboard the Crown of Thorns_? >Valerie escapes the research lab during the 'bloodtype' short story it introduces her, and the zombies to put her in geographic and narrative proximity to Echopraxia.Same as above. She has an authorial purpose, but Watts didn't even bother with explaining why the Brain Wizards with level 8 spell slots from their tumors cordially invite her or Moore aboard. They don't ever do anything useful regarding the expedition, and instead endanger it constantly. And Bicamerals are supposed to both care a lot about it's outcomes and be unfathomably smart. >I wouldn't argue that it's not a contrived story.Contrived can be acceptable. The crew of Theseus on Blindsight was contrived, but regardless of that there was a point to them being there and doing things. The problems start when we have no reasoning, motivation or purpose even for a very straightforward sequence of events, and then get a contrived one instead. >Also, it always gives me a chuckle how much polarizing the right angle shit is. Is it stupid and makes no sense? Sure. Do I care? No, not really. I have zero problem with vampire right angles, but once Valerie started casting Geass left and right by clattering in Morse code I instantly went "Oh come oooooon~"
>>25010317NTA, but I'd argue that the crew being on Theseus wasn't contrived. Their original objective decided to sudoku, and the cost of the ship had been so great (and they were already deep into their trip) there wouldn't really be a better idea.
>>25010317>>25010317He's headed to the source of the Theseus signal to find his son. I'm not trying to be a dick but did you read the book? Is your comprehension just lacking? I'm not even a smart dude and I didn't really have trouble understanding any of the characters motivations...Valerie was drawn to the monastery because her mind was picking up on the energy the hivemind was generating from there. She set the zombies to attack the compound to force the crown off planet so she could potentially take it over / escape to higher tech somewhere in space. It isn't exactly spelled out and to assume you need a total understanding of a 500 IQ vampires thought process is a little antithetical. Maybe just maybe the escaped super smart vampire decided owning a spaceship, learning what she could from bicamerals hivenetwork was preferable to hanging out in a forest waiting to be recaptured by the lab?Part of reading is filling in the blanks and things aren't exactly spelled out all the time. I think you have so many issues with the book because you might suffer from minor retardation.
>>25010391Was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think he's just dumb, read too fast, or just seriously lacks comprehension skills. Never seen someone so lost about a story they feel the need to complain so loudly about.Why even bitch about something if you don't even have a base understanding of the first 50 fucking pages lol. There's fucking 4 characters and dude can't figure out why anyone is doing anything. Absolutely bizarre.
>>25009267Well then go for it man
Animated adaptation of the Second Apocalypse in this style when?
