chain of dogs edish>Old:>>25008324>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
first for dick!
I denounce Erikson
Just started reading assassin's apprenticeFitz is obviously a rape bait
Why do people love to know what tropes are being used in a book? Do they really just want the familiar all the time?
>>25015665trope fags are brain rotted. They want to feel like they got one over on their media. They want to be genre savvy because they think it makes them smart. They are fundamentally incapable of seeing a work as the whole of its parts and enjoying things.
>>25015665>Do they really just want the familiar all the time?Yes. Did you honestly expect a different answer?>>25015690I agree they're all brain rotted but I don't think anyone is claiming to be genre savvy when reading these things or posturing because somehow reading the latest in assembly line entertainment makes them better than anyone else.
Felurian is the real Cthaeh
Red Rising thread
>>25015690>>25015700Still, where's the sense of mystery when opening a book?
Where the FUCK is red god
>>25015573https://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Stories.TheChangeling I always read Gene Wolfe's The Changeling as a short story about PTSD and not being yourself when you come back home
I genuinely unironically unequivocally can't think of what to write (fantasy version)
>>25015857not to bring up anime (tho it is an anime imageboard) but I am going through Frieren now and it's sort of a "deconstruction" or even "post"-fantasy in that the story revolves around the events AFTER the party going on their big quest. Hell I don't watch too much anime but it is very good and something worth considering. there's a tiny tiny hint of Bakker in it only in the sense that the writers focus on the life of an Elf - in the case of Frieren, she's very old and seeing her latest set of friends die around her. In the case of Bakker's "elves", they just go fuckin crazy
>>25015089>>25015114>>25015239based hobb enjoyers
Lysander will live!
>>25015665Stock characters have always existed. Fucking hell, they used to be celebrated. The real problem is that post moderns are realizing how utterly sufferable they are.
Halfway into The Warrior ProphetThis shit is fucking kino yo
>>25015943Lazy ass name.
>>25015385I read the blogpost right after watching the series yesterday and thought the stories being referred to in the quote sounds similar to Fallout; I was wondering if they'd react similarly to that story, but then I thought the difference is that those stories back then were probably more serious, in my opinion Fallout is not really despair sf, hence I say to imagine what the story would be like without the humor; Fallout is an evolution of those stories that the editors got sick of, a reconstruction(?) of that type of story, so I think it's a better form of what historically sells well; I expect if someone writes more black comedy like Fallout that it'll do well.
>>25015665It's a combination of marketing and people wanting to minimize unpredictability. Also attention span something something.
>>25016067Tim Cain likes the TV show.
>>25015752They dont want mystery. Part of opening yourself to mystery is opening yourself to disappointment and wasted time, anathema to those governed by instant gratification.
Barnes & Noble just gave me $10 for free because I just bought like $200 worth of books. What ebook should I get with it? I was thinking Tales of the Dying Earth but I dunno.
>>25016129I haven't read it but everyone tells me Tales of the Dying Earth is good so it's probably a good pick.
>>25016134You complain that,>Fallout and Bethesda Fallout are different things. no one at Bethesda actually 'gets' Fallout or the tone of the original gamesBut the creator of the original games says otherwise.
>>25016142>>25016129I love it. Probably top 10 fiction for me.
>>25016129>$10 for buying $200 of something Why couldn't I have been born into the universe where they gave you $200 free for every $10 you spend?
>>25016164He's a money grubbing whore too so factor that into the formula.
>>25016164Why would liking something be equivalent to endorsing it as similar to his own work? Whats he supposed to do, be bitter forever about something that he doesnt have any control over?
>>25016164okay?
>>25016187He does fully endorse it and refutes the points >>25016067 brings up in his review of the show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFBLAbwMA0
>>25015943You'll lose your shit by the end.
>>25015761Red Rising was actually completed in Shadows Upon Time. The Reds usurped the Golds to become the palatine class, but remnant Golds conceal themselves within the Chantry. The lethovirus aka the "fleshing plague" is eidmi. Syriani Dorayaica is the real Volsung Fa. Red God will never be published
>>25016199Then see the post above yours. Why does it matter what he thinks if he is clearly wrong anyway? Here i'll ask you a direct question: Do you believe the tone and treatment of the setting are the same as when he worked on it, or would you agree bethesda is flippant when they look at any particulars of it?
How similar is the Red Rising series and Sun Eater series actually? I feel like people talk about those two together all the time in these threads
>>25016227Similarity is pretty much space romans and space battles with first person narration. Sun Eater has richer prose and a meditative bent at times, Red Rising is more succinct and fast-paced with a lot of twists. Sun Eater does main characters better, Red Rising is better at side characters.They're talked about together due to aesthetic similarities and Ruocchio and Brown being among the few male-centric authors in the millennial generation.
>>25016218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPijQ_LLGQ
>>25016218because he's some redditor faggot who outsources his opinions to consensus
>>25016289It just seems an odd stance to take when hes not dead. If bethesda valued his interpretation of the series, why isnt he working on it?
>>25016289Huh? Who are you talking about?
>>25015576Compassion should be given in abundance, anon.
>>25016236Sun eater is garbage and does nothing better than Red Rising.
>>25016236>>25016384They're both very forgettable enjoyed by people with limited genre experience. Sun Eater specifically is just recycled ideas.
>>25015943poor samefag attempt. you fool nobody. post your normal greentexts instead, fucking faggot.
>>25014849What I mean is not complicated. I’m talking about Frodo spending time in the Shire, Simon running around the Hayholt, Lyra spending time in Oxford, etc. an idyllic sense of everyday life. People (redditors and ipad brains) consider this slow, filler or boring nowadays
>>25016166Is there a collection you suggest? I feel this has been asked many times but I never see a straight forward answer
anyone have any recommendations for prose like William Gibson's? Obviously I love his cyberpunk stuff, but I recently read pattern recognition, and despite not caring too much about the story I finished it because it was just fun to read the dialogue and descriptions.
>>25015943PoN is mid. The first two books of AE are kino.
>>25016817So, wholesome chungus redditslop. Got it.
>>25016870Philip K Dick to an extent. Give Androids Dream of Electric Sheep a shot. both authors are allegedly writing dizzy confusing prose to match their worlds. in Gibson's case: everything is fast and becoming incomprehensible in a futuristic cyberpunk-style dystopian corporation-centered world. In Dick's case: what even is reality, how do we know what we know, etc. Dick was doing a lot of speed while writing. and see>>25015574
>>25016870oh and one more. Void Star by Mason is IMO a nice modern cyberpunk story. pretty close in tone and content and style to Gibson's Neuromancer
>>25016870He said himself he modelled his prose on Dashiell Hammett, but the usual comparison is to Raymond Chandler.
>>25016896>seeing that there is objective beauty in the world and something worth fighting for is wholesome chungus redditslopMidwit take. Fantasy has lost its soul and it’s because retard takes like these
>>25016998Spot on. This exactly.
>>25016384Tell me you didn't read Sun Eater without telling me you read Sun Eater.
>>25016817What do you think of Penric and Desdemona?
>A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms showrunner says Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin has shared outlines for up to 12 novellas to inspire future seasons, "taking Dunk and Egg all the way through their life"
>>25016899>>25016903>>25016946thanks anons. I have read all of Dick but I haven't read Void Star or heard of Chandler/Hammett.
Gonna be honest, I really don't fuck with memory manipulation, and I've seen stories through my life where the good guys use it, and none of them even question if it's right to do.An egregious example is in one of the Red Rising books, Mustang outright mindwipes a guy, and the characters seemed to treat it like it's some kind of big mercy compared to outright killing him. And I wonder if I'm the odd one for thinking that she might have well killed him.
>>25017182sure thing. Chandler & Hammett are OG noir writers. I honestly don't see the similarity in prose of Chandler/Hammett with Gibson but what do I know. research more as you'd like, but for now I think Void Star would fit the bill for you if you want more Gibson style stuff. and if you did want to read some OG noir, which you should, Hammett's Maltese Falcon and Chandler's The Big Short are really good places to start.
>>25017380Chandler's The Big SLEEP
>>25015576every time i read erikson it makes me appreciate him more. going from erikson's evocative prose with luxuriating use of the language to some rawdog functional only "and then this happened.." prose (the strength of the few in this case..) feels horrible.i loved no life forsaken but erikson needs to rein in the number of quirkchungus characters he adds. too many at once feels bad
was maeglin an incel
>>25016236>Sun Eater does main characters betterAs trash as Red Rising is, I was never actively rooting for the deaths of the main characters like I was while reading Sun Eater. Dogshit series through and through.
Can anyone recommend me some low-stakes fantasy novels? It seems like a rarity nowadays.
>>25017371It's been a while since I read it, but I thought that whole sequence was portrayed as being fairly gruesome and not a mercy, but a necessary evil. If I remember right, the whole point of that mind wipe was to gain access to the guy's memories to find out to whom he sold the two kids and the mind wipe was a side effect (which they werent necessarily unhappy about)
>>25017494It sucks that the first book in this is so charming, and then the second book is super depressing and the third book is the apocalypse.
>>25017499Pretty sure, they already accessed that information from reading his memories before they hit him with the mind wipe, and the characters are having an argument basically over whether it's being too nice compared to killing him.
>>25017461No wonder you prefer Darrow to Hadrian, you're as much a retard as Darrow is. Hadrian gets more character development in single books than Darrow has in the entire RR series thus far. And the fact that you said nothing of Hadrian's multiple deaths suggests you haven't read the series, fag.
Any good sci-fi with interesting human/alien interactions
>>25017610Stanislaw Lem - Eden, Fiasco.
>>25017612>Stanislaw LemYeah, that.. satisfies "interesting" alright.
Not a usual fantasy reader here. I am halfway through The Blade Itself up because it was in a /lit/ rec chart. It is dreadful. I gave it a chance but after it establishes its main characters they end up not having any depth or intrigue past that. And nothing happens, nothing goes anywhere. Things of no consequence happen as slowly as possible. It doesn't even deliver on the 'grimdark' aspect, as aside from a few heads bashed in and some weirdly unfitting profanity, it feels like typical fantasy. I'll not bother asking why it's popular (Ernest Cline is all the proof I need that utter shit will sell millions of copies), but I will ask why the hell The Blade Itself is being recommended by you people. Not going to finish it.I've read a few original Conan stories which were okay. Read the first two Discworlds which were okay. Tried the Hobbit which was okay. Do you people have anything specifically you think would fit me? Again I am not opposed to swords and sandals adventures, I'm just disappointed by what I've seen so far. I enjoy classical stuff like The 1001 Nights and The Odyssey but I'm asking for 20th century and newer.
>>25017639>Not a usual fantasy reader here.>it feels like typical fantasy.By your own admission you aren't qualified to make that assumption>you people/lit/ is not one person. No one here is obligated to provide you a "good time" or to deal with your hurt feelings when you don't. You're responsible for your own choices, trying to offload your personal angst and make it anyone else's fault is invalid.Disregarding the rest of your post, you've already tripped too many flags.You get the one piece of advice every faggot on any board gets:Lurkmoar.
>>25017651Who pissed in your coffee? Also, I would love to hear your arguments as to how the book is indeed NOT typical fantasy, but you don't seem in the mood for saying anything interesting, just venting while RPing as an oldfriend.
>>25017655>I can't fit in with the local culture, I'm going to lump everyone together and antagonistically accuse "you people" of conspiring to ruin my day by recommending a book I didn't like>also I'm going to bloviate across a whole paragraph with my heh-heh oh so clever snarky review of why it's so badNever even heard of the book. Don't care that you're having the worst day of your life.
>>25017639/lit/ rec has fantasy books? I though people here think that genre fic is lowbrow o algo
>>25017655>Also, I would love to hear your argumentsWho cares? Nobody here owes you anything. Why do you act like this board needs to "apologize" to you because you read a bad book? Try being a little less of a Karen my dude, there's no manager here for you to speak to.
>>25017660>>25017667Why are you even replying? This is silly. God forbid a book be discussed.
>>25017639you don't even like glokta? he's the main appeal of the trilogy imosome of his single novel spinoff works are vastly better but you need the context of the trilogy to enjoy them :^)
>>25017678He and his goons were the best parts for sure. Wish he was the only 'tagonist, to be honest, since the drooling Logen and the whiny Jezal don't do much. And then there's Logen's Merry Men who get chapters dedicated to bickering and then killing some random dudes. Why. But yes, Glokta is neat despite his silly name. Creepy, pathetic, mean. His chapters aren't enough to keep me going since the plot just isn't gaining any momentum.I'd be down to read something with a seriously handicapped protagonist that isn't this.
>>25015665See, I just got successfully marketed to. While I hate slowburn because it's never done well and it's always some shittily handled romance that goes on for however many books the series will have. But I do love a snarky talking dragon. The trope has won me over and I might try to read the first few chapters to see if it's fun. On that subject, any other /sffg/ books that (You) like that include snarky talking companions (dragons or other large beasts are a plus, but cats and dogs are fine too)
I'm kind of getting sick of the grim dank tone on a lot of these books, I want something lighter, like mass effect.
>>25017639Try Vance's Lyonesse trilogy
>>25017639Read Bakker. Love Bakker. Tell other people to read Bakker.
>>25017579Darrow is barely a character but Hadrian is such a colossal faggot the books are rendered unreadable.>urm actually he technically dies multiple times :^)The fact you think that is any way a gotcha moment to my thoughtful, well reasoned critique, vindicates all my preconceived opinions of Sun Eater fans. Are you, at the very least, able to tell me that Valka dies (actually dies, mind you) a horrible, screaming, shidding and pizzing herself death?
I finished Beasts. It was my third of Crowley's early novels and I was glad to see how different they all were (despite the common motif of history repeating itself, used more or less subtly). I'm not particularly fond of the idea of human-animal hybrids and I doubt I would have bothered with this kind of theme if it were a different author, but I really enjoyed what he did here. Such an interesting approach basically breaking the fourth wall of those medieval stories about anthropomorphic animals and how, in the hypothetical future of the book, they would affect these literary concepts made real by humans. How uncanny valley they would be, unconsciously trapped between their animal instincts and their higher consciousness (Painter, the leos) or just replaying the role allotted to them (Reynard). As it was mentioned in the book itself, humans confronting the Frankenstein's monster they created themselves. Interesting to think how easy it is to play with them as literary concepts and how utterly odd and unsettling is to bring those concepts to life. Speaking of concepts, it was interesting to see how Painter was being turned into a king despite his lack of interest (or maybe he just takes it for granted) and how his natural animal appeal as "king of animals" attracted the weaker humans or animals like Sweets. There was a breaking of barriers that happened whether some wanted it or not, prompted more by his animal side more than the humanity in him, in comparison to the revulsion Reynard elicited by being too human. I'm glad the book ended as it did, as cheesy and abrupt as it sounded, because it would have led otherwise to a very different story. Propping up Painter with his new interest in humanity as the semi-puppet king at the hands of a literary trickster concept come to life but still revered as an almost god-king would have been fascinating but really unnerving. Also, while I love Crowley's writing style, this book had a lot of abrupt POV changes, sometimes from paragraph to paragraph, which was rather confusing at times. Genuinely more confusing than Painter's arising consciousness trip in captivity.
>>25017900>crowleymanchild coreI'm genuinely incredulous as to why people choose to read his slop and pretend they're reading some kind of literary masterpiece instead of just reading actual literary fiction
>>25017914Imagine actually, actively, sincerely getting BTFO by images like this.
>>25017097I haven’t read them. Do you recommend it?
>>25017655He didn’t say it was typical fantasy. He said you’re not fit to make that assertion. Hell, your frame of references are stuff like The Hobbit, Discworld and Conan, books which are nothing at all like The First Law so I’m not even sure what you meant by typical. Fantasy might just not befor you. Faggot.
Something interesting about RR is that there's a constant theme of "we need the golds on our side, we can't just genocide them" both from a philosophical level as well as a practical one. I say that it is interesting because it flies in the face of contemporary political theory of "GET RID OF THE ENEMY" which is so common on /pol/ and reddit, and as a result I don't think that RR could ever be mainstream as a movie or tv show. It is simply too controversial when you get down to the brass tax. Darrow isn't simply using Golds to usurp their power, he literally befriends, sleeps with, and falls in love with them. The book doesn't dive much into it other than the iron gold/peerless/pixie juxtaposition that happens in the first few books (showing the "degradation of Gold from the conquering to now," but Golds are literally slavers with a dedicated rape class.. If anyone deserves no sympathy, it's them, even if they're willing to change sides once the going gets rough and the balance of power materially shifts.The books then spend the time talking at some length about how the conquering was justified, and how following the third book some people start to see the rule of Gold as necessary given the failings of the new Solar Republic's democracy. Anyways I think that all of these ideas are fundamentally at ends with reddit, so I'm always surprised when the series is as popular as it is. Or maybe I'm just thinking too much about it and really the story is about lightsabers and space battles, who knows
>>25017661I’m not sure what you mean but sffg has a rec chart and there are some others that are shared throuhout /lit/
>>25017678I might be the only one that liked Logen more by the end of the trilogy. I enjoyed Glokta but by the end of the series I just found his snarky inner monologue a bit too repetitive
>>25017639>>25017655holy newfagtake bakkerfag with you when you leave
>>25017740>Are you, at the very least, able to tell me that Valka dies (actually dies, mind you) a horrible, screaming, shidding and pizzing herself death?Yes, in book five, and her death was glorious. Fuck that cunt.
>>25018177*book four
>>25017623Oh, you wanted furry porn? Ask /trash/.
>>25018062>brass taxIt's tacks.
>>25018069Anons like you make me want to put disclaimers all over the Charts MEGA in the OP that say THESE ARE NOT AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES, OR EVEN MOSTLY GOOD EXAMPLES. FOLLOW THEM AT YOUR OWN PERIL.
>>25018214n..nuh uh
>>25017740>"thoughtful, well reasoned"All you've said is that you don't like Hadrian and you're acting like some genius critic condescending to the masses. If you'd read the books you'd know how he evolves past his retarded xenophilia and comes to terms with God, mankind, and fate. And yes, you rooting for him to die rings hollow when he does so repeatedly.>>25018177As Hadrian became more of a hero in books 3-5, she mellowed out. I'll grant she was too much of a bitch at the start. Selene best girl though
>>25018214sorry anon
>>25018062The series isn't deeply philosophical but it does grapple with nature and nurture, and the Golds are supposed to be natural aristocrats as much as the Reds are to be natural slaves, albeit there's nurture in play since the colors are all genetically engineered. Basically the Golds have certain competencies that no other color is capable of filling, and the Republic isn't going to hamstring itself politically by liquidating them for fear of a reign of terror situation.
>>25018304I forgot what happens after the third book regarding the colors, don't people start being born without sigils? I know Darrow has his removed as symbolism to inspire others, but IIRC in 4, 5, and 6, kids are born without colors again. The fact that Golds truly are genetically superior to reds given engineering that happened hundreds of years ago also messes with the philosophy of things too, it's not as clear of a "look at how classes in RR are set up, it's basically like the real world!"
>>25018317I know Pax is colorless but I feel like he was presented as unique at the time. It should also be noted that PB only dropped the chemical symbols for republic names, a holdover of the society, in Light Bringer, so he might be making things up as he goes.
>>25018331>Darrow>some nobody miner, a little genetic engineering and suddenly he is a super genius, napoleon reincarnated, and superior to Gold (despite the fact that you would think Gold would also be continuously trying to iterate on its own DNA???). Oh nvm I mean he WAS a hell diver, I forgot.>Pax>son of a pure Gold and some genetic freak, also becomes an absolute god of anything he touchesmain character syndrome is crazy in RRCassius and Mustang are believable because they're from powerful houses, so it makes sense that they would be top tier to an extent given education/training, but it falls away with the rationale surrounding the Jackal, who is supposedly a sociopath (believable), but also higher IQ than literally anyone else in the society (insanely contrived, the chances of him being smarter than the combined efforts of all of Octavia's staff is insane). Don't get me started on him returning from the dead.Also don't forget Roque, who magically goes from a nobody to one of the most influential people in the entire society despite being a traitor?????? There's really no one better than him to lead the armada? Wow, Mars' institute truly only spits out the top 0.00001%. I think the universe in RR is so interesting but it makes me roll my eyes when characters from the institute remain relevant, and it becomes more ridiculous the longer out from the institute the story is.
In Red God Darrow will use his razor in its whip form but it will also be on fire
these tiktok edits convince me to hate on RR even though I haven’t read it yetIt’s hard to believe a series that gets worshipped by adhd zoom zoom crowd could actually be good
>I'll take any excuse to not read a bookWe know
>>25018408>Hates on zoomies for having adhd while simultaneously using TikTok himself State of /sffg/
>>25018408I'm glad I went in knowing nothing of its fanbase besides the dude at a scifi reading who recommended it to me
>>25018428one should know his enemies or something
>>25018408We are talking about RR. A series doesn't have to be good, the goal is to be popular and profitable.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/147205/the-thirteenth-godDjango Wexler (Shadow Campaigns) is releasing a new book in web serial form to chase the patreon money
>>25015573>Just read chapter 7Holy fucking kino
>>25018632>releasing a new book in web serial form to chase the patreon moneyIs this really where we're at? It's more profitable than actually publishing properly?
>>25018669Yes, money over time is more profitable than one lump sum. That's why software is all subscription based now when you used to be able to just buy it. Soon you'll pay a sub to use your furniture and kitchen appliances.
>>25018632Huh, interesting.Established traditionally published author Django Wexler is now on Royal Road. Will we begin to see more doing so? Matt Dinniman was recently at a convention panel with Brandon Sanderson, Pierce Brown, and Tomi Adeyami. Dinniman seems to be getting around in general. They're probably all talking about ways to get money since for most authors they aren't getting much. Is it only a matter of time before the amateurs are crowded out by the professionals, or is this an entirely different skillset and audience where any other success won't carry over? This is also reflected in general job market for other professions as similar is happening. https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/639491.Django_Wexlerhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1qcu98m/the_thirteenth_god_new_rr_serial_from_django/https://www.reddit.com/r/royalroad/comments/1qcvuwk/art_for_the_thirteenth_god/https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/147205/the-thirteenth-godhttps://www.patreon.com/cw/DjangoWexlerPatreon Tiers: $5/$10/$1512 members, 6 paid$54/month>>25018669From the Patreon FAQ:https://www.patreon.com/posts/faq-146459983Why Royal Road and Patreon? My career to date has been on the traditional side of publishing, and in the past that's been mostly what I read. But lately I've been hooked on fantasy coming from Royal Road, starting with Matt Dinniman's amazing Dungeon Crawler Carl. Obviously when you read a lot of something, you get an itch to try it out. And I had an idea for a story that wasn't a good fit for traditional fantasy -- too long, too weird, with pacing more suited to a serial. Rather than toss it out and try something else, I figured I'd give this a shot!Are you quitting traditional publishing?Nope! As I write this (end of 2025) my next series is still not announced, but the first book will be out from Orbit in 2026. More info when I can!
>>25017900just picked this one up based on the review, sounds interesting
Reading Lyonesse right now and really loving it. Jack Vance truly is king.
>>25018709https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=613751
>>25015574You like dick, huh?
>>25018225I mean, I agree. I find the mega recs to be a mixed bag at best. I was just answering the anon. Either we update the recs or just continue to mostly ignore its existence. A disclaimer for future threads would unironically be good
Any recommendations for fantasy books that focus on slaves/slavery?
>>25018225>>25018747Actually, I just went over the recs and the charts look like something Daniel Greene would post. Also for whatever the fuck reason there is a Cosmere chart. Yeah, fuck the recs
I'm new to the general but not /lit/. I was curious if Harlan Ellison gets discussed here or somewhere else, because it's a name I never really see on the board. He's one of my favorites, so I'm usually keeping an eye open too, lol
>>25018759The guy who said sucking cock is cool because the Greeks did it?
>>25018743And 'cock.
>>25018748The Gor books, of course.
>>25018747>>25018750How does one "update the recs"? Delete everything and start over?
>>25018767I do not recall him saying that, and I watch a lot of his old interviews
>>25018772Do the Gor books actually depict sex or does the curtain drop before anything is described?
>>25018783Nope. The author prefers violence to sex.
>>25018769I still find it funny how criminally overlooked Moorcock's contributions to fantasy at large are.
What's like the newest hot thing that I can get into without feeling like the kid joining a party 30 years late when all discussions that is to be had has already been had.
>>25018777No idea other than stop posting the mega thread. I don’t care much one way or the other as I get much better recs in th thread itself than from the charts, anyways. It could be worse but there are some things I think a lot here would not agree on. Also checked.
>>25018808Idk anon I just come here to shout into the void and listen to other anons when they have unique book recommendations. If you want more structured discussion you should probably join a book club near you
>>25018854the book clubs around me are like filled exclusively with exceptionally hot girls in their 20s.not a good place to be.
>>25018860that sounds like a great place to be, i don't understand the concern anon
>>25018854What unique book recommendations are you getting here in /sffg/?
>>25018873not if you're ugly.
>>25018797I'm not sure where he belongs for multiverse nonsense.
>>25018874it's rare but sometimes I stumble upon new stuff... recent ones were solaris, a case of conscience, and don't bite the sun
why french can't write fantasy?
>>25016227Not really similar desu, just both futuristic space focused series. Red Rising has lots of action, slightly pulpy at times and the first book is basically YA. Sun Eater has better writing imo but the books are longer with less action.
>>25018061it's a mainstream book from 2006. cultural osmosis will introduce you to all the stock sword & sorcery elements the author ground up and put in the trough.
Recently started reading sci-fi, just picking stuff that seems interesting from the charts. Is it weird to feel that stuff like Ringworld and Gateway are kind of shallow? Quick reads, interesting concepts, but ultimately not a lot to chew on. I've read Ubik as well and liked a bit more.
>>25019147Not weird at all, that was common back when those books were written. It was all about the ideas but many of the "classic" sci-fi authors were not particularly good writers and books were generally shorter.
>>25019164Okay, I'll look into some more recent books. I did read one other one a while back but I can't remember what it was called or who wrote it. A UFO crashes, they recover an alien and take it to a nearby military installation where it eventually dies in captivity after having communicated a few times with humans, also I think there was a sub-plot about people who came into contact with the ship being kept in quarantine and talking to each other over intercoms. Google AI is not giving me the right answer. I could have sworn it was by Greg Bear but looking at descriptions of his popular books it does not seem like it was.
>>25019212That plot is common to so many books it doesn't exactly narrow it down. Though Greg Bear does have a book with that features (most of) those elements, though it's only a small part of the story: Forge of God.
WATTSfags>yfw Sunflower cycle will probably never be completed
>>25018990French is an ossified language that discourages innovation, so people are doomed mostly to write within the confines of existing, and approved, genres. Sci-fi and fantasy in particular are genres which require inventive description for things which do not exist in day to day life, and perhaps have never been described before. French isn't a language that lends itself to this, being as regulated and locked down as it is. Don't get me wrong, French is a beautiful language, in the sense that a meticulously sculpted and painted miniature model is beautiful, but it is not a toy, its limbs do not articulate, it will not survive if you try make it do anything other than look pretty on a shelf. Such is the French language after centuries of "curation" by the Académie Française. It is an inherently conservative institution which abhors change or foreign influence. That makes it hard for "approved" innovations to occur.
>>25019309>Forge of GodI just skimmed through the book and this is it. My memory of it is really hazy which is very strange for me, as I've been hard-carried my entire life by an extremely good memory. For some reason I thought that the book spent a lot longer on what it turns out were just the first few chapters, so it wasn't matching up with the descriptions I read. At any rate, I do remember thinking it was okay, not really much better or worse than Niven or Pohl.
>>25018808You have to be willing to actually read new books and new authors if you want to be part of an active, thriving community. And /sffg/ really isn't the place to find such people. Unless it's a very, very popular author and book, your chances of finding a fellow reader of any particular title are slim, because this is a slower board and the regulars who post here are not very numerous. If you're attentive to the threads, though, and post your takes several times across different days, you might hit upon an infrequent poster who has read the same book as you and enjoy a small chat, provided you're unmolested by our resident shitposter.
>>25018669Wexler has middling success as a fantasy author, so it wouldn't surprise me that there are web novelists who out-earn him by a lot. He might think he's a big fish slipping into a small pond, but writing web novels is a lot of work just in terms of sheer output. Then again, most royal road novelists start from nothing and have to build a reputation by shitting out chapters in a furious pace, producing several novels-worth of writing before they earn a cent. He's coming to it with an established brand and reputation, albeit with people who read traditionally published novels, not web novels.
>>25019337>French is an ossified languageThat is untrue.You are confusing the existence of the Academie with the frozenness, when in fact the continued divergence of speech from long-existing written standard betrays the fact that French continues to change, albeit in clearly devolutionary ways which aren't actually conducive to intellectual expression in the slightest, let alone purely aesthetic expression (for it has become an abominably hideous cacophonous language which reminds me more of Arabic than a so-called "Romance language" descendant of Latin [not to say Latin is any more beautiful, for in isolation, it is not]).
>>25019367nta>Wexler has middling success as a fantasy authorThat's what most have had. I think you underestimate his relative popularity for sff and are too concerned with the only the biggest names.>web novelists who out-earn him by a lot. Oh, the absolute highest earning definitely do. That's not really a fair comparison though.>He might think he's a big fish slipping into a small pondThat's a complete assumption on your part and doesn't seem to be the case at all, based on his patreon FAQ and posts elswhere.
>>25019426I'm aware "most" authors don't make money at it. That's why I called him middling. He's actually published several series and I've seen his books on shelves at major book stores, not just old used bookstores where they collect out of print stuff. He sells well enough that retailers order copies. That puts him above at least half of his peers and well into "middling success".
where should I start with jed herne?
>>25018748Slavery isn’t cool, bro, wtf?
>>25018748A lot of contemporary Japanese and Chinese media still write about slavery being cool and acceptable. There are a lot of slaver protagonists even.
>>25019803Didn't ask for a positive view. Are there any books about a heroic slave rebellion maybe?
>>25019976Red Rising
>>25020047Red Rising was less a slave rebellion and more of a civil war to end slavery. Darrow was the only significant Red in the original trilogy and he barely counts because of his Gold surgery.
