Five Finger Fist Heart Sword EditionStubbed >>25019322>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>/wng/ authors.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLYRecommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
I've been wondering this. Is a man's "reverse scale" not just his prostate?
finally fell out of top 1k. it was nice while it lasted.
we have like a dozen or more WN authors and the OP is chinese shit
>>25025113He who makes the thread decides all things.
odds i reread kumokko's webnovelevens i catch up to jacques dreux's novel
>>25025137do literally anything else with your time
>>25025113>>25025119
jej
>>25025255Are you kidneying me
>Progression>https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/progression>The process of developing over a period of time> "Doctors were surprised by the rapid progression of the disease."
>Anon's story is proceeding smoothly and he's gaining new readers>Good, now give him an irresistible compulsion to drop everything to write shitty fan fiction
>>25025271You should look at how the site itself defines its tags instead of a dictionary, if you intend to be understood.
>>25025272It's not irresistible. Get a grip.
>>25025275>Disregard english>Create new language>Obey webslopper>????>Crippling depression
being a fanfic writer is unironically the best base for webnovels
>>25025137There's an edited version of the first hundred or so chapters of the WN somewhere.>LNOnly read three volumes if it's your first time. Read the rest after finishing the WN.WN is the superior version.
Weary archmage back to sub 4 stars after posting only 4 chapters... seems like the switcheroo gambit failed
>>25025301SB and Fanfiction is better than AO3 if you actually want interactions.Please post it on AO3 too, though, for archive reasons. So many fanfics gone... I thought it's only JP artists who were like that...
>>25025272i need to get back to writing my shitty fanfiction
It’s interesting to see how differently a tradpub writer approaches writing a web novel. His opening is both quicker to get the MC started adventuring and doing stuff, but also stretches out the setup for much longer. A typical web novel would finish setting up the backstory and premise by chapter 1, or chapter 2 at the latest. But this dude took eight whole chapters. Short ones, sure, but the difference in approach is evident.I hate his lol-so-random Reddit prose with a passion though, so I won’t be reading any further.
>>25025337Oh no, over 36 hours since the last chapter and even that one and only 5-star review has been deleted! In the comment section, the crippling gut punch "I preferred the previous version" lmao. Can anyone walk that off? He's on the ropes. What is the next move?
>greentexting your "what to expect" listWay to expose your powerlevel, lost_rambler
What are the gu?
>>25025376daoist pokemon bugs (usually, some aren't even very insect like)
>>25025381What's daoism?
>>25025403the dao is everything but it's also nothing
>>25025376the best power system ever invented.
I have an idea for a story, a guy gets sent to another planet and he doesn't want to go on an adventure
>>25025599gonna be a very short story
>>25025609you're right i need a hook
>>25025349What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
>>25025696Don't worry about it.
>>25025599Build a home, make it more pleasant, does he have neighbors? Are they pleasant? If not, make them be or kick them out, or move away.Is it dangerous? What can he do to protect himself? Would he be alone, or would he want companion? Should it be human or anything goes?
man slow thread today huh?
>>25025841yeah this thread isn't 404ing within a day what a terrible time to be alive OMG
>>25025868Exactly im racking my brain on how i can stimulate discussion.
>>25025334>There's an edited version of the first hundred or so chapters of the WN somewhere.blastron's TL is the good one: https://blastron01.tumblr.com/kumoko-contentsafter he dropped it the next 100ish chapters are only available from a kind of stilted ESL translation before eventually Raising The Dead picked it up.what are the main differences between LN and WN?
>>25025403read le guin.
>>25025889WN is much more monstrous, LN is too human.
>>25025886>discussionthere's yer problem. generals are more arguments than discussions and many on-topic posts go ignored.
>>25025914>many on-topic posts go ignored.because those ones are boring
>>25025272My brother has this problem. He told me it's hard to come up with characters and settings and it's just easier to write fanfiction where that's already done. It's kinda sad. He's accepting his limitations and not trying to break through to the next realm. He's content to be a C-rank slopper and never take the B-rank exam...
>>25025841a slow thread is better than the shithole /wg/ has turned into
>>25025943Plus it's easier to get passionate about other people's characters than your own sock puppets
i dont really like WNs but i think writing one might be fun
>>25026022im just waiting for someone to post a good idea.
>>25025943Your brother has stalled in his cultivation.
>>25026046you can't handle my good ideas
>>25026070Idea poster.I am going into writing and I want your best Ideas.
>>25026022It's actually quite a lot of fun, especially once you get commenters speculating about where the story is going each time a chapter drops. I had a really good arc where a side character was introduced as sus, readers were lulled into complacency, and then the inevitable betrayal happened at the worst moment and everyone got pissed at him again and then commenters seemed to understand the whole character arc and why it happened.However it's a lot of work and the audience for webnovels is very particular, depending on which website you post on. Stories that aren't "on market" won't get a lot of readers and won't get engaged commenters. So there are better, more rewarding and satisfying hobbies unless you really really like writing webnovel slop for its own sake.
WN ideas brainstorm, feel free to use>MC finds a Death Note-like book, but instead of killing people, everything they write happens in the future (usually in a completely monkey paw fashion) (maybe the hook is that the last line in the book is like "and everyone dies" or "the MC dies")>Isekai where the protagonist is an expert at "just rolling with it". Has no clue what's going and keeps getting in and out of hilarious situations / ascending the social ladder>Satirical Isekai told entirely through the lens of its local denizens; the archetypical characters (hot receptionist, alley thug leader, cute girl adventurer, etc.) give their PoV of some autistic wannabe adventurer going through the motions of a generic isekai story
>>25026162Ideas are cheap, execution is everything.Start with writing good sentences.
is there anyway to become a good writter without having to read>?
>>25026177>scrivener>grammarly pro>chatgpt plus>royal road author premium>fiverr (for beta reads)
here's your ad
>>25026211is it bad on purpose
>had a good 2024, despite having to move back in to care for grandmother>good first half of 2025, too, got into model kitsthen grandmother kicked the bucket>mother, lazy cunt, rather than getting a job, got into the gorillionth pyramid scheme while doing one of those faggy delivery jobs JUST enough to stay afloat between my money and hers>patreon income fell off hard for indiscernible reasons, i haven't changed anything and the readers who do comment have been happy>had to sign up for unemployment as a result - not to get money, no, just so they would pay my fuckass insurance>constant government harassment over less than $100/mo while gypsies get thousands without issue>as such, productivity craters, thus patreon falls further>so now I either abandon writing and try to get a normal job, here, in the middle of nowhere>or I try to move to some fuckass place to pursue a job>genuinely, wholeheartedly, unironically considering suicide>not in a "i'm killing myself TOMORROW" way but in a "it's now on the table" way>both my uncle and my father, who both looked near identical to me (rather i look like them) also killed themselves>mfwfeel free to ignore blogpost
>>25026261passable doomerpost, 6.5/10 (that's 4.5* in RR ratings)
>>25026261Have you tried writing out your life through the lens of an Archmage? Prehaps you could call it, "The Archmage's Grandma Keeps on Dying," or maybe "The Suicidal Ideation of an Overpowered Archmage"
>>25026288>"The Suicidal Ideation of an Overpowered Archmage"This one actually has potential
>>25026292It does. I hate it. Will probably write at least one chapter.
>>25026261yeah maybe it wasn't a good year if you got into plastic crack
>>25026320I got into model kits because I had the money to spare to both set aside savings and fulfill something I had wanted to do for over half a decadeSavings gone by now, naturallyStill have a backlog but I haven't touched any of it since basically right after the old lady kicked the bucket, I think I built all of one of them since then, not even paintedugh, I need to at least write instead of wallowing like this, thought the blogpost would help me get it out of my system for now
>>25026162>>Satirical Isekai told entirely through the lens of its local denizensProphecy Approved Companion, kinda. But the pov is a vidya background npc.
>>25026211anime gf ai boob cover? clicking.ok read the first 3 chapters. 0.5 not enough harem.
>>25026261>>genuinely, wholeheartedly, unironically considering suicideinstead of getting a job shrimply move to a third world country with extremely low cost of living where your meagre patreon income is more than enough for rent + food + full time lower-caste servant to do your laundry
>>25026261They're ruining this fucking country
>>25026333Been thinking of doing this but worried about being stabbed to death by browns
>>25026339From what I've seen, Southeast Asia (Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam) are good choices.
>>25026333Have been considering this even long before things went wrong for me. An acquaintance in SEA quit his fulltime office job when his patreon his like $150 because his 9to5 wage was around $100, and it was decent pay accordng to himlanguage barrier would be a limit but being en fluent might get me some distance, but i figure immigrating to a country like that would have some barriers (unless "i'm a westerner paying taxes to your government" is enough)
>>25026261https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aWGDrye6HM
>>25026365This type of saccharine trash never helps, only makes it worse. The only thing that helps me with depressive episodes is to turn it into anger somehow.
>>25026261I know that feel bro. My story almost blew up last year, but then got review bombed for the most retarded reasons, which killed all growth. So here I'm making just about enough money that I can pay most of the bills, but not enough that I could afford to eat too, and am slowly headed to an inevitable bankruptcy despite having an appreciating audience and story to tell. It's so unbelievably frustrating. I can only either have faith that it can still grow, or try to write another, hopefully more successful story in tandem, or just off myself and get out of this infernal hamster wheel.
>>25026353Thoughts on Singapore?
Is a power system where the progression is gated by near-death experiences and/or revelations acquired at the moment of a near-death experience too obvious?
>>25026415You can't afford it.
>>25026419It's basically just zenkai boost.
>>25026415Too expensive
>>25026174I've seen this posted many times here but after looking at some excerpts, it seems like any gems it has are buried under a lot of pontificating and self-aggrandizing
>>25026426>>25026428Yeah...
Any summoner kino? No necromancers thanks.And I don't want summoner slop, I already have plenty of that, I am wondering if summoner kino even exists.
>>25026524Best I know is the Hellmode WN/LN/Anime, but it's japanese.
>>25026556Seeing a lot of slop flags right now bro. I really don't want to recreate that greentext from /fit/ about "it's a good gym sir". You know?
>>25026561>You know?No, somehow I've missed that greentext, can you post it or link to it on /fit/? /fit/s got some good humor
I want to make a web novel wear the protagonist mind controls 16 year old girls to make a battle harem.
>>25026569> make a web novel > wear the protagonistWith that command of the English language I'm sure you'll go far.
>>25026174>spends the whole book shitting on other writers>doesn’t teach you how to write sentencesBased.But if you actually want to learn, just pick up the books this guy shits on instead, namely The Element of Style, Style: Lessons in Clarity and Grace, and Self-Editing for Fiction Writers.
>>25026524Reverend Insanity
>>25026339If you're a yuro or burger that's already a risk in your daily life
>>25026579Already read it, plus gu cultivators aren't summoners.>>25026565No it's really not funny, also it's apparently originally a /tv/ copypasta anyways I was just only familiar with the /fit/ version. The post was 114721440 if you're really curious.
>>25026583Nuh uh I have a risk of getting shot by browns, not stabbed
>>25026569fine but it had better contain lots of r18+ content. which technically all qualifies as noncon due to the mind control so you'll be forbidden from posting anywhere outside AO3
>>25026596are you serious? >>25026575what wrong with make web novel?
>>25026646Do authors make books?
>>25026649no.. bookbinders do...
I forgot how to write word 'death'...
>>25026588I don't think you explained that greentext very well.Anyway back to Hell Mode: it's kind of progression slop but it's Japanese (automatically better) and it's been through editing. So it's going somewhere. My boy Dogora has a GREAT character arc, totally worth reading for him alone, not that the autist grinder MC is too bad either. And the MC is actually a summoner.Don't be put off so much by the artist's depictions of the summons. They get cooler.
>>25026569
>>25026588Most summoner fantasy is gay, like not in some offensive way but literally it is mostly lgbt (fantasy) literature, lgbt writers and audiences just seem like summoning genre.
>>25026728Most of the summoning slop I have read has the dude fucking his summons in under a single volume, so I don't know what summoner slop you're reading. We perhaps move in different circles.
I got an idea for a story.A young girl named accidentally brought to the dreamlike World by a spirit guide, she discovers she must recover six aspects that represent her life force to return home.She journeys through surreal realms themed after the four seasons, battling monsters and building magical companions to restore the natural flow of time.Ultimately, defeats the forces of stagnation, balancing the seasons and learning to embrace the cycle of life and death before finally returning to the real world.What do you guys think?
>>25026646>are you serious?yes. no. maybe
>>25026789It's fine as long as the mc is male and there is no romance, teen drama, sex/smut/porn/harem.
>>25026798I cannot write the book if it's only going to be allowed on Ao3. I guess I need a new plot.
>>25026801Well err my protagonist is female and I guess there is teen drama? She learns about accepting things to change and that death is a part of life. Usually by helping people in the spirit world face their own demons while she searches for pieces of her soul. it's a girl coming of age story.why does sex,smut,porn and romance do so badly on RR?
>still sick>spent all day yesterday adding hooks and cliffs and conflicts to all my chapters>woke up today and wrote a long chapter I split into two kinda short ones>made it to the big early turning point that opens up the story and setting>suddenly all kinds of ideas are bubbling up while I watch animeOh yeah, it's all coming together. Now I just gotta survive this Japanese cold.
Should I just start writing my story at an arbitrary point if I can't figure out where to begin? IMO backfill it later if I need to
>>25026806>why does sex,smut,porn and romance do so badly on RR?because it's mostly an autistic male readerbase
>>25026811>IMO backfill it later if I need tothe issue is almost never starting too late, but too early
>>25026806>why does sex,smut,porn and romance do so badly on RR?For one they changed the rules to be far more puritan. They don't want no trouble.Second, for romance, there are loveless losers on the site who hate it, and there are autists who hate anything that isn't explicitly progression -slop of their preferred flavor (litrpg, cultivation, etc).You can write chaste, puritan, adults only romance if you want just don't expect it to be popular. You'd be better off cross-site posting and trying to monetize via amazon(KU) rather than the traditional RR+patreon (and maybe KU).
When you guys talk about romance do you mean as a minor subplot or a major plot?
>>25026811>shouldYou should start your story at precisely the moment at which the plot becomes inevitable. The moment of change, from the normal status quo to the chaos that leads to the new status quo, during which your protagonist exerts their will to influence the chaos and effect change.You can do whatever you want though. I wasn't feeling that kind of start at first, so I started with my MC's childhood, wrote 8k words, and then the next day I wrote a more typical, gripping opening chapter that I was happy with, now that I knew my MC and his history better.
I got an idea for a story.a wandering bard named Lyric is invited to perform at a grand celestial coronation on the secluded Isle of Echoes. He soon realizes that the entire island is caught in a recurring three-day cycle controlled by a dark archmage who wishes to freeze a moment of absolute power for eternity.To escape, Lyric must use his enchanted lute to manipulate the memories of the islanders, gathering clues and allies across different versions of the same days. By sabotaging the coronation and exposing the archmage's true nature, Lyric works to shatter the temporal seal and restore the natural flow of time to the world.what do you guys think?
>>25026806>it's a girl coming of age story.I guess you can still write a wn about it, but why not write a story set in modern day usa, maybe a school life teen drama without fantasy elements? It would just be so much easier to write and you would also reach a much wider audience.
>>25026833Both
>>25026833For me, both. I added a minor romance subplot to my story and people complained she was annoying and they didn't get why she was attractive to the main character (I didn't describe her tits enough).https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/rising-stars?genre=romance_mainThat said, there are some high follower counts on the Romance RS list. And the lowest number of followers on that list is 72.I think maybe it's just that men who want to read romance read haremslop on KU, and women who want to read romance read romantasy either from booktok or also on KU (and AO3 for their unspeakably vile smut needs).If you want to write romance just do it.
>>25026842I think that's Majora's Mask
>>25026833Major plot I think romance is a big deal and important for characters exhibiting growth. I'm currently writing a story about an autistic vampire who realizes the only person he ever loved died 200 hundred years ago and the story is mostly him traveling around killing demons and getting over her.
>>25026871It's actually Ephemeral phantasia.
>>25026809>Now I just gotta survive this Japanese cold.Anon NOOOyou just set up the death flag...
>>25026860RUINED
>>25026913wtf?
>>25026913>NO incestwhat's the point of making them siblings if you aren't going to have them fuck? I hate these writers.
overall I'm actually surprised how many of the romance_main tagged rising stars are still meta stuff like opmc/litrpg/cultivationit seems like about 50/50.and all the primarly-romance ones on that page are female mc. princess of the void is still pretty unique.
>>25026811A typical story goes like this:Once upon a time, there was… Every day, he would… He always wanted to… but he couldn’t because of his one flaw, which was… But then one day, that all changed when… So now, he must… Otherwise, he risks losing…The point where it all changed is called the catalyst. Most stories start a few hours before, during, or slightly after the catalyst. If you start before, you get to introduce the readers to the MC and his normal daily life before shit hits the fan. However, you risk boring the readers and making them stop reading before reaching the good part.If you start during or slightly after the catalyst, you get to jump right into the good part, but you have to spend time drip-feeding the backstory to the readers later. This isn’t always a bad thing, since you can treat it as, “Ooh, an MC with a mysterious backstory. So cool.”
>>25026953nah that kind of save the cat shit is too slow for zoomers
>>25026926>>25026953>If you start before, you get to introduce the readers to the MC and his normal daily life before shit hits the fan. However, you risk boring the readers and making them stop reading before reaching the good part.holyshit this is so true everytime i read an isekai story i roll my eyes. untill they started killing the mc's off in about 3 sentences.
>>25026988get off tiktok, zoomgroid
>>25026339>scared of being stabbed by brownsStay in your house then.
>>25026842>a wandering bard>bardYou lost.
>>25027128You can’t change somebody else’s behavior. So assume that the average reader has the attention span of a zoomer and write accordingly.
>>25027144>assume every reader is a zoomerWhat a novel way to say kys.
>>25027146
>>25027156Also there's the unknown number of underages which aren't even tracked.
>>25026888Why'd you say 3 days instead of 5 then
>>25027146The idea of writing to the general audience ever shortening attention span is nothing new.If anything, paperbacks from the 1950s get to the point so much faster than contemporary books that like to drag on a plot point for over a hundred chapters. Even stuff from the 30s starts with Conan already in a sword fight. Long overdrawn intros like Tolkien were the exception, not the rule.
>>25026705Hi /acg/
>>25027214Many RoyalRoad readers ask the question, is it worth it to subscribe to Max Level Archmage's Patreon?
>>25027240Fuck if I know.
>>25027240Literally nobody does that.Everyone subscribes first without thinking about it!Let's all subscribe to the patreon!
>>25026920Not like he has a choice. Incest is one of those things that get you insta-banned at RR.
>>25027173what's next?
>>25027293what about NBR
>>25027294EEE-Class 'God Slayer'Planned release: March 2029.
>>25027301Obviously that's fine. But you'd probably still get a lot of "ugh, yikes, icky!" comments.
SSS-class fraudMC gets the legendary once in a gorillion years hero class, but it's broken and only has one starter ability: basic attack. One misunderstanding leads to another, and now he has no choice but to fight ever stronger foes without letting his secret slip.
>>25027330Good premise, but the execution is going to be tricky.
>>25027333lol of course it's revealed by chapter 10 that landing 100 basic attacks unlocks ULTIMATE 1-HIT KILL ATTACK and the weakest hero was actually also the strongest omg haha
Why the hell is it all LitRPG trash?! I want an urban fantasy novel with no LitRPG dynamics. Why can't I get it?
>>25027339The one hit kill attack really is a one hit kill. Or it would be, if it didn't immediately shatter any sword you tried to use it with.
>>25027342I found 468 pages tho
>>25027339Yawn. That’s lame.Might as well call it One Hit Man and make your gimmick obvious from the get go.
/wng/ convinced me RR doesn't want romance or a female protagonist, and lesbians are getting old, so how come the number 1 story on RS now has a feMC, promising lesbian romance straight in the synopsis, it's making the author rich as fuck, and why is it not me?
any sufficiently advanced xianxia is indistinguishable from litrpg
>>25027349But did you account for tropes like Progression, which are LitRPG in all but name? What about GameLit?And how many did you actually browse to see if their magic systems are proper?
>>25027358>and why is it not me?because you don't believe enough in (you)r story. you have no attachment to it and are easily swayed away from it by anonymous shitposts about genre popularity. if you truly had a world in your head burning to come out through your pen, you would write it anyway. and readers in your niche can smell when you're writing shit because you love it vs when you're writing it to follow marketing trends and pander to the median audience.
>>25027339Nah you don’t understand the meta. MC is STRONG -> must be routinely underestimated. MC is WEAK -> must be routinely overestimated.Otherwise you can’t have face slapping aura farm hype moments
>>25027360Why don't you follow the path I showed you and find your own answers instead of asking stupid questions? I'm not the one who wanted a fucking urban fantasy. I hate that garbage
>>25027360>Progression, which are LitRPG in all but nameretardbwo...
>>25027363When I write a story I believe in, I get panned for the same reasons that somehow become a good thing when anyone else does them!
>>25027330>No aardvark companion Dropped.
>>25026261This is the dark side of 'progression' that no one talks about. Switch your tag to slice of life friend, its never too late to make a change!
drank an energy drink and wrote 700 words, now going to watch anime with my underage brazilian girlfriend.
>>25027363sounds like exactly what you should be doing.
>>25027342>>25027360why are you looking for this on RR? you just want a poor urban fantasy in serial form? im actually curious
It’s crazy how the Archmage hype manages to sustain itself for this long and trickle down to pretty much all of its copycats, even the AI-generated ones. But I’m sure with a few more months of bandwagoning, people will start looking for something slightly, ever so slightly, different. Maybe a xianxia archmage: The Immortal Returns after a Thousand YearsOr a superhero archmage: The World’s Strongest Hero Canceled His RetirementHeck, maybe this will finally be the chance for romance to rise in RR with My Wife is an Archmage?!!!
My Archmage Can't Be This Cute?!
>>25027512Pretty much all those things already exist. Archmage is popular because it's slop but competently written.
my life as a triple crown horse girl
>>25027505Where else can I look? Traditional Publishing has been taken over by the women and the wokes. There's nothing left for young male readers in American, Canadian or British literature.
>>25027548kindle unlimited, at the very least
>>25027512All the archmage trend consists of is someone who's OP but also kinda lowkey. Is there anything more to it than that?
>>25027548Chinese xianxia literature is the answer. Embrace cultivation, brother.
Archmage Foreskin Restoration (with System)
>>25027646>MC's quest ends in failure after 800 chapters
>>25027647it's okay, along the way he helped his apprentice with his phimosis
>>25027609Saving a child is the only other one the seems pretty manadatory
>>25027164I thought if I said 5 days, you'd recognize I was just reusing the plot from critically acclaimed time loop game ephemeral fantasia. I think I'm onto something here if I just reuse the plots from games zoomers wouldn't have played it'll seem unique no matter what I do. I just need to avoid anything released in the last 15 years.
It's been a while since I asked this so I'll ask again as an informal census of the type of lads hanging out here; I wonder if anything has changed...>What's your endgame? Audiobook? 5 digit Patreon earnings monthly? Anime adaptation? Live action adaptation? Lewds of your supporting cast on Rule34 that you didn't commission?
Just finished writing 7000 words of the last chapter, and now only the editing and infopics are left.Be ready, in about 5-6 hours our travel together will end.
>I Became the Most Famous Archmage in Another World After Inventing a Spell that Cures Male Pattern Baldness?!?!
Had a few misfires, didn't truly understand how RR and webnovles "work" so I'm working on a new project tailor made for the webnovel genre (Deckbuilding litrpg, think Yugioh but with cursing and substance abuse issues)so when I finish this book and prepare for a big front load, followed by episodic releases, how do I get readers? I don't care about money, i just want comments, ratings, just someone to say they liked it, I'm willing to grind, I have a series i've been updating daily for 2 months and have 6 followers (fucking had 8 but I lost two, NO COMMENTS so i don't know what turned them off) and no ratingsI'm desperate for any kind of validation, just someone read, even if you don't like it TELL ME WHATS WRONG i can't get better if no one will even ready my shit
>>25027693I want to become a big name in /wng/ when you think of django wexler and kinoman you'll think of me.i want to be on Mount Rushmore of anon writers who do web novels.
>>25027746ill read your workalso consider an ad
>>25027747When I think of Django Wexler I think of a C- tier writer who constantly derails their series with asinine teen lesbian romance bullshit.
>>250276935 digit batreon and cultural proliferation to the extent of fanart, yeah
>>25026811Contrary to what booktokers say you don't have to charm the reader with the first sentence.When you start a story you have until the reader figures out the first scene to hook them. It's not about the first sentence, paragraph, chapter or even the scene, but rather until the reader figures it out. That's why generic openings seem boring - the reader figures them out more quickly.In media res is meant to help with this. If the story starts out with action then it's harder for a reader to be sure that they figured things out correctly. If the story, instead, starts with the morning routine, then the reader will immediately know what's going to happen and become bored. Then it's random whether they continue reading or not. How do you hook a reader? Present them with a mystery they want an answer to, promises of tropes that they might like, and/or unfairness that they want resolved. An easy example would be a harem/romance for men story that starts out with the female live interest being abused and her just taking it. It sets up the trope of MC eventually saving her and falling in love, a mystery about why she takes the abuse (what power do the abusers have over her?), and the face slapping that the villains take. (Btw this is the start of Cinderella.)
>>25027782>An easy example would be a harem/romance for men story that starts out with the female live interest being abused and her just taking itThat's a fucking terrible way to start a male oriented romance. I'd drop that instantly with extreme prejudice. That's what women want, no what men want.
>>25027786what do men want?
>>25027787Women who aren't dead weight.
>>25027789Got it, writing a story where my protagonist recruits a party of capable women.
>>25027793See, you're already getting closer to generic harem territory despite the bad start.Relating to what you're saying, my experience has been you need to have an actual aesthetic style you're pushing with your story. I read inhuman amounts of slop, of wildly varying quality and originality, and the only thing that consistently predicts whether I get past the first few pages is the writer having some sort of aesthetic sensibility.In your first few chapters, style is absolutely more important that substance, because style sets the mental image the reader creates of the characters and setting. You need to pose unanswered questions and create a strong image in the reader's mind.To relate it to a more visual media, think of how interesting the presentation of a movie like John Wick is compared to Marvel slop. John Wick isn't deeper or more cerebral than Marvel slop, it's just got infinitely more style.
>>25027693As long as I get the money I don't really care about the rest. Audiobooks aren't really worth much of anything, it seems to me.
>>25027746>I have a series i've been updating daily for 2 months and have 6 followersFrankly, this is only possible if your work is utterly, completely, absolutely illegible, as in total repulsive gobbledygook, where nothing makes any sense. In which case no amount of ads or tags or shoutouts is going to save you. These aren't issues that are solved with a quick tip or two. You probably need a professional doctor.
>>25027746>I have a series i've been updating daily for 2 months and have 6 followers (fucking had 8 but I lost two, NO COMMENTS so i don't know what turned them off) and no ratingsLink it. I've got to see how bad this is that not even RR is willing to consoom your slop.
>>25027786Damsel in distress is an extremely common trope.
>>25027825And Robin Hood is an extremely common story, but NOBODY LIKES IT.
>>25027818The thing that gets me with audiobooks is, the guy who wrote jackal among snakes is a better writer than me but stop doing his audiobooks at book 5.just don't seem worth the money, atleast one day AI will make it cheaper.
>>25027827This is just straight up false. The tropes are common for a reason. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean others don't. Every love interest in a xianxia harem story is a damsel in distress and (male) readers love that shit.>>25027806>styleIt isn't. If the reader recognizes what's happening and doesn't like it then no amount of style is going to save that.
>>25027836Jesus, even that dude is a better writer than you? That's pathetic.
>>25027843you wouldn't place him in the top 10% of RR writers?
>>25027827Huh? I love Robin Hood. Pretty sure the Disney one is also widely loved.
recently i've lost the sense of passion in my life, after being sick I can no longer write my story.
Which version of Style (Clarity and Grace etc) do wangfrens personally recommend? There are so many editions and all seem quite similar
>>25027836silly, its because he got Luke Daniels. Just dont get a major name that costs 20k per book. Normal narrators only cost like 250 pfh Audiobooks account for like 30-50% of an authors sales these days if not more, theyre definitely "worth it" if you dont shoot yourself in the foot with a top 3 narrator for a book you arent absolutely confident will sell like hotcakes
>>25027927I think you drastically overestimate how many people here read books on the craft.
>>25027820Or just doesnt use any popular tags and presents itself poorly via cover/title/blurb.
>>25027942I don't even like luke daniels peformance he sounds really retarded when voicing the MC. he should have gotten travis baldtree.
>>25027943imagine spending time reading on how to write only for it to go no where because things out of your control didn't go your way.
>>25027951I dont even want to imagine Baldree's hourly rate. I imagine you can only get him if your publisher has a contract for X books a year with him and decide your book is the one they send that year.
>>25027952I read about writing and how to get better at it because I enjoy writing and want to be better at ityou might be in the wrong hobby
>>25027954you write for fun I want 5 digits monthly on patreon, we are not the same.
>>25027959only real sloppers who love writing slop will ever make that kinda cash
>>25027905The problem with authors who write based on their mood is that we forget we possess more emotions than just pure determination and excitement.If you hit a wall and don’t feel like writing a certain part then no amount of motivational video is going to change that.So write nonlinearly. Start with a vague outline, either of the entire book or just one arc at a time. Slowly add details and refine the prose as you go.Move up and down the timeline, writing whatever you want, whenever and wherever you want. Do you want to write action scenes for Chapters 3 and 7 today? Do it. Did you just wake up with an idea for a heartfelt dialogue near the end of the book? Write it down. If you’re feeling a bit navel-gazing, focus on your descriptions and nothing else.Feeling sad? Write the tragic scenes. Feeling angry? Write the part where the protagonist goes on a rampage. If you don’t want to write that tedious scene, jump ahead or backward and come back to fill it in later.If you forgot to include foreshadowing or backstory, simply find the right spot and drop it in. That opening is too long? Cut it out.Since you're working in bullet points, moving stuff around is easy. Build your outline over weeks or months, then once you reach your target word count, simply remove the bullets. And there, you have your draft.
How does literature solve the archmage class being way more flashy than any other class problem?archmage vs archmage - Crazy spectacle with elementals flying off and reality bending spells like a black hole being shot off, permanently scarring the land scape.Cultivator/Warrior/Hero fights - bonking each other and doing gay little stabs or arrows until enemy dies.
>>25028078Unlike other web novels, this one is about the characters.
>>25027953Baldree talked about how reading some book he really didn't like prompted him to write his own.Imagine being the author that has a famous narrator read your book and he dislikes it so much that he writes his own book. And then he absolutely mogs you in sales with his very first indie release.And it's cozy lesbian romance of all things. Read by a male narrator
>>25028078>he hasn’t read xianxiaCultivators are mages, dum dum
>>25028078just make your story about an archmage. my archmage story is about a guy who comes from the past but is shit instead of being OP
THE LAST CHAPTER OF FFF-CLASS 'UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST'' IS OUT!!!https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2955357/hero-part-twelve-books-endWith more than 300,000 words published, my journey has finally come to an end. I want to thank all my bros and haters on /wng/ for their help and support over these seven months. And once again…THANK YOU FOR READING MY BOOK!!!
>>25028139this is probably a shitpost, but it really is amusing how many innovative ideas I've seen from anons that boil down to>my twist is that I'm going to do X genre but deliberately ruin the biggest reasons that readers click for
>>25028144speak of the devil >>25028140
>>25027750>>25027820>>25027823https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/145333/donner-thalia-progression-coming-of-age-chivalrouswrote the first 12 "Episodes" of this a few years ago and it's been sitting on my harddrive doing nothing so decided to post it here. I've developed since then so there may be some stylistic errors.
>>25028144> it really is amusing I'm glad you like it. I'm planning to make him great at things no one gives a shit about that he was mediocre in when he was a prime archmage. stuff that fell out of fashion due to the advancement of magic. but the first first 100 chapters are just him getting btfo by rookie mages thinking his ancient archmage knowledge is valuable when really the reason they stopped doing things was because people invented better ways to cast.>he uses magical circles>everyone can cast without them normally>he chants>people can do incantation-less magicI also hate boomers
>>25028162>but the first first 100 chapters are just him getting btfo by rookie magesmight be amusing for like 3 chapters as a parody. who wants to read the mc making a fool of himself for multiple novels of content straight? much less write thatanons here have very strange taste. i think it's the deeply ingrained contrarianism of 4channers. you just wanna make fun of the archmage trend I assume. why not just write whatever you earnestly like?unless this is it, I guess. but again, strange taste
>>25027358>~400 members>max $10/mo>rich as fuckUhhhh anon that's like, decent numbers but you can get a real job paying that much. It's less than median income in the USA, especially after fees and taxes.Don't blame us for you being unwilling to take risks.
i shall write a superhero OPMC WN that consists of the OPMC ranting about the good old days when supervillains were executed by firing squad, lethal injection, or the chair; when the US federal government still existed to an extent; a time when superpowers were still rare yet ruinously potent.ie. he looks at a feared supervillain crew and immediately says, “Why can’t you be like the Sons of Yakub? Sure, they might’ve toppled the states of California. Oregon, and Michigan with their ‘Racial Holy War’ but at least they had a driving mythos behind their actions.”
>see cool xianxia novel on RR>decide to read it>it's fully in chinese untill about chapter 3 where he swaps to english What the hell?>>25028177Maybe there's something to it all being 4chan contrarianism. I actually really enjoy the archmage trend, I love frieren.I thought people would find a guy becoming well known and famous for shit he was mediocre at in his prime as opposed to stuff he was really prideful in like spell casting would be amusing, but maybe i'm the only one who would find it funny. it's hard thinking stuff that wont bore readers but that they'd enjoy as much as you.
>>25027693I'm still putting out fictions/chapters/books to pseudo-launder my crypto wealth so I can lie to my family that I'm not set for life. That aside I would like to make a normal income from patreon/royalties just to balance out my minimal daily expenses but it's not crucial. I guess... My author-hero is kamachi.exe so I'd be content to write maybe half as many words as he does.I'd also like to get a professional pass (with pen name) for nerd conventions but I don't think I'm getting one this year. I may have to do a collab with a professional I already know and make a one-shot floppy comic just to pigeonhole myself in their stupid application process.I would actually prefer not to get any kind of video adaptation because I've lost faith in animation studios to do good work.In the meantime I've got like four or five more fiction ideas I want to write and if none of them actually hit it big and I run out of ideas entirely I'll retire gracefully and just try to humbly farm royalties for the rest of my life.
>>25028204this reminds me of a trend among xianxias i’ve read on RR that are either derivatives or actual translations of works i’ve read on MTL sites
>>25027358>>25028182The members stat on patreon pages is not the paid members. It includes free/unsubscribed users.Kairami has 172 paid members. Realistically he's making like $1500/m (before fees and taxes). Not 4,000$ and he's certainly not>rich as fuckEspecially since almost all RS authors spike their patreon during their rush and then drop 20-30% from their peak in the following months, if not more.
>>25027693Pili puppetry adaptation
>>25028154Well, it's readable, clear enough, but just sounds intensely robotic. And I don't mean AI-generated, but the kind of "I AM A HUMANOID INTERFACE"-robotic that no real machine can imitate. I read half of chapter one and feel like I got brain damage from that brutal rape of storytelling conventions. It's in dire need of personality.
>>25028246If I made $1500/m, I'd drink Prosecco every morning for breakfast
>>25028260after 20% patreon fees and 25% taxes, that wouldn't even pay for half of my rent. 3rd worlders don't know how lucky they are
>>25028140It's already over? Damn
>>25028265I live in a first world country and own my flat, so I don't have any jew to fleece me
>>25028246If I made $1500/m my life would be as 2004 music video.
>>25028273you own property in a first world country and consider $1500/m before taxes luxury money? interesting
>>25028272300k words is a lot.
>>25027953>>25027942>>25027836How do people even listen to audiobooks? They're read at a glacial pace and it just sounds awkward. Is this some kind of American thing that I won't understand?
>>25028140is this story worth starting? any wnger going to review?
>>25028273>1500 USD/m (generously, we assume net)>under 20k a year Hello monkey. What's the weather like in Jakarta?
>>25028287You also think your 4 inch penis is big, don't you?300k is like one big fantasy novel or 8 months of writing for a slow writer
>>25028294My book is one big fantasy novel.
>>25028297yeah and that's not a lotthis isn't /wg/ where you'll get patted on the back for writing 300 words a day over years. didn't you have most of FFF pre-written? how are you even going to keep up with a RR schedule on your next one?
>>25028288 I want to say you just set the playback, but honestly the media tools to deal with audiobooks are somewhat depressingly lacking.I like to listen to audiobooks when I'm cooking, running or exercising.Furthermore, I read if I'm engrossed, some books like the perfect I wouldn't have finished without audiobooks, but more than that a good performance can really enhance the story.When I reread cradle I narrate in my head as Travis baldree.
>>25028288>They're read at a glacial pace and it just sounds awkwardI think most regular audio book readers bump up the playback speed. I put it on 1.5x to 2x depending on the narrator. If I get bored as fuck I even bump it up to 2.5x or more until it gets interesting again, though at that point I'm very close to dropping.>Is this some kind of American thing that I won't understand?It's not unusual for some authors to make more royalties from audiobooks than their ebook. This is especially true in the litrpg scene where lots of readers just turn that shit on during work and listen to a book every two days passively.
>>25028298>longer than winds of winter>not a lotTell that to GRRM
>>25028298I had a 200k-word draft that I've almost completely rewritten.>ScheduleI'm an architect, and my writing ain't just kicking a corpse till it produces money.>>25028289Author here.It's good.
>>25028308>Tell that to GRRMI literally wouldAlso you're writing royalroad slop. Don't cope too hard now
>>25028310My worldbuilding is more complex than his.Stop coping.
>>25028309>I'm an architect, and my writing ain't just kicking a corpse till it produces money.No I mean literally what do you even plan? Are you going to prewrite for 2 more years and then launch again? You can't keep up with a RR pace, FFF's was already too slow
>>25028316Yes, I'm going to do it.I project to release book 2 in 2029
>>25028319We're free from your announcement spam?!
>>25028279>>25028292>I must live the rockstar lifestyle though I can't afford itYour problem
>>25028321For 2 years...yes, I guess.
>>25028325I live a normal, in fact frugal lifestyle. Everything is just expensive in the United States, especially housing.Also you definitely just lucked into money or have your parents supporting you, so you shouldn't speak when finances come up. Pretending $1500 is a lot in first world countries is comical
>>25028326>book 2 in 2029>it's the start of 2026>2 yearsFFF-rank math
>you’ll become one of their wageslave even fantasy worlds have wagies it seems...
>>25028325Do you consider eating a meal more luxurious than scavenged wild plants, brown rice, and canned meat in a shelter without electricity or running water to be a rockstar lifestyle? Do you monkey?
>>250283361 year of training + relax.>>25028338Nobles are lazy people after all.
>>25028325
I mean technically $1500/m wouldn't classify you as living in poverty in the US, just very close
>>25028333>>25028339I've seen what americans consider "frugal" and there's the real joke. I guess living can get pretty expensive when you need to call an air lift just to get out of your house, being too fat to fit through the door
>>25028273This seems impossible. Property taxes, utilities, grocery, health insurance, car insurance alone seems like it would burn through that, and I'm excluding rent since you say you own.Do you not have a car? Do you live off rice and beans? What first world country can you live without major compromises in for 1500 a month?Who is paying your bills?
>>25028368You're brown lol.
he stays locked up in a 1 bedroom hovel and eats ramen all day, no car no insurance no etc. just a computer for shitposting on 4chan, gooning, gaming, and anime. it's pretty obvious guys. i legit know people like this
How merchandisable is your webslop?
Okay I'll read FFF class hero, it's gotta be better than taking an economics class in the thread.Maybe he becomes an archmage in the story.>>25028381People are reluctant to use fem MC's I wonder how marketable male MCS are.Also do people even bother including cute mascots for the plushie or figurines? at most I think you could concept a cool t-shirt but I still think mascots or female characters are more marketable than cool sotic heroes. but maybe it's naive to think male readers are even buying this type of slop, maybe we should be going after fujos.
My gross as a retail slave is $1560 a month. My goal is to make enough to quit my job and write full time, which I once worked out to requiring a gross of around $2200 because of higher taxes for self employment. In practice it'll probably take more, so my current target is $2500.
>>25028368>I've seen what americans consider "frugal" and there's the real joke.I actually agree but that's because the median wage is like 5000. So 4000 would be frugal to them, and that's plenty to live off of.The basic costs of living easily go over 2500 though, assuming you want to live alone in a non-roach-infested 1bedroom apartment and have minimum-level insurance. 1500 means living with multiple roommates and going uninsured.
>>25028387When you have a male MC you can just make all the marketing and merchandising be about the heroines. That's how the Japanese do it usually. Or you can make the male characters cool too and then they will move merch as well. I mean, look at Raildex, or Slayers. Accelerator and Gourry move merch.
>>25028372>without major compromisesOf course it takes compromises. If you want something, you usually have to give up something else for it. It's the people who want everything, who never have enough money, and are bitterly jealous of the choices of others.
>>25028398We are talking about whether 1500 is luxury money in a first world country anon, not whether living with roaches is worth pursuing your dream
>>25028397I think last order is probably making more money.So I guess what you say is true, just introduce female characters and merchandise them, I think accelerator and gourry are carried by fujos.
>>25028421Less popular than Saten actually. Biribiri is obviously number one.
>>25028406I can't read your mind and guess what counts as "luxury" to you. In the US, making 1500/m might mean living with roaches, but you have to realize you're already in hell, not in a first world country.
>>25028431i under estimated the power of fujos
>>25028433Your refusal to clarify your situation (country, how you aren't paying basic bills) says everythingKeep seething about america. we know the truth
>>25028397>>25028421The west isn't japan and if you advertise a cute anime girl and then the story is about some lameass dude, people tend to get upset
>>25028441Of course I pay my own bills. But you may see why I don't share my life in full detail with you perpetually mad schizos.
>>25028447But the heroine(s) being cute is the actual reason you are reading it anyways? Nobody fucking reads pic related for the MC. Westfag brain problems I suppose.
>>25028451>But you may see why I don't share my life in full detail with you perpetually mad schizos.Because you know the details would get you bullied, yeah
>>25028460some of that art is fucked up lol
>>25028257no ai used, yeah this was a bit earlier, I guess I'm a tradtionalist, kind of inspired by shonen but with a western twist. Wanted it to be traditional good guy doing good things, so much subversion and lol defied expectations, i kind of hunger for just simple stories about a good guy killing a bad guy and marrying a princess
>>25028460nta-- what are they reading it for? i dont know what this is. arent the point of these progression series the MC?
>>25028154Only read the first chapter so far and I gotta say that your dialogue is really bland and emotionless. Also not much going on so far besides setup and character intros. From my understanding, RR readers would prefer to be thrown into the action faster. Also zero stakes which makes me not care what happens next.
>>25028539In the case of pic related everyone is reading it because the elf is hot. The MCs progression litRPG mechanics where status effects are actually the strongest and DPS is cringe is not why anyone is reading it. >aieeeeee I was banished to the harshest max level dungeon for the crime of having a sub-optimal class!>I survived though, and will be silly and choleric and get my revenge on them all with my skills (actually OP)>and I will do this alongside a smoking hot elf woman that reminds me of my aunt, and who literally everyone wants to fuck (she is rapebait)Having a good artist and a cute heroine can save your slop, at least in Japanese markets.
>>25028564ah, yea. reminds me of one my friend was into... some dungeon/slave one, with a puppy girl, then a dwarf girl, etc. i barely rememberfrom the way he mentioned it now and then, the MC was irrelevant
>>25028576Isekai Meikyuu Harem. Probably the manga too since the artist was excessively talented for the project, and people read it for the sex and not the super detailed litRPG mechanics. They do keep coming up though, between the sex.
>>25028576at some point, a lot of this harem media stuff just turns into another vector for idolfagging
my story got review bombed for doing the slop premise "Properly" but now I'm recoveringand finding a new audience. RR keeps feeding people into my story too, no longer a burst but it is a constant drip.I feel like a kinoman now, grinding away and chapter mines for little to no reward.
>>25028590Harem media wishes it could be as compelling as the likes of LL, im@s, or Umas.
>>25028604imats?
>>25028606>>25028606LLUMAS?>>25028606Idol Master
>>25028607ラブライブウマ娘
>>250283331500 is allot if you can grow it, that is the thing1500 salary is not allot but having one product or skill people are willing to pay 1500$ a month for is good
>>25028610Oh thank you.
>>25028621My employer pays me roughly $8k USD gross monthly for my skills and I'm not even in a particularly high paying profession. Some people are willing to take a pay cut for the freedom that being self-employed affords them, but I think $1500 monthly is outrageously low even for self-employment.
>>250283974chan would be a lot better if Accelspammer were still around.
>>25028637You need to keep in mind that this is unique to your situation. 8k is a LOT of money here, and an absurd amount in South-east Asia or Brazil. One of my acquaintances quit his 9to5 when his batreon hit 100 because that was his normal 9to5 pay.
>>25028637$1500 monthly is upper class elite tier in my thirdie SEA country. you could live like a king here . for example state minister salary is around $1.123 monthly
>>25028647Yes but it is still more comfortable to live in my first world country as a modestly affluent white collar wagie with substantial benefits and lots of vacation time. Point being in relevant discussion to this thread, this is basically no way for me to ever make enough off patreon to quit my day job, so my approach is completely different from all the (apparent) thirdies ITT.
if my novel ever makes 1500$ I'm moving to thailand.
>>25028661>so my approach is completely different from all the (apparent) thirdies ITT.What's your approach? I just want to go down as one of the greats of /wng/
>>25028661>modestly affluent>$1500/month
>>25028680If you struggle with following conversations, let me break it down>introduce my conditions>anon replies, saying the conditions I think aren't worth it are actually worth it if you live in a third world shithole>I reply saying that I'd rather keep working my day job in a first world country, even if it doesn't have be being in the top 0.1% because that's still more comfortable>>25028665It's a vanity project. Both the satisfaction of working on it and the satisfaction of a good result are the point. That's it. Plenty of other anons also think this way from what I've seen.
>>25028663going to thailand on that kinda salary is the worst of both worlds; you live in a shitty humid country and the ladyboys won't flock to you.
>>25028661>my approach is completely different from all the (apparent) thirdies ITTWell of course it's appealing, it's a way to work from home, put your english skills to work, and without having to depend on some exploitive faggot, be it in your own country or the west. Of course anyone english-fluent from the third world with a creative bone in him would jump at it.
>>25028700I have more respect for any thirdie doing it the hard way (actually doing creative work) over all the thirdies doing AI "translation" of manga or novels, or genning content. You're still brown, but you're doing actual work and staying in your own country so as far as I'm concerned you're one of the good ones.
>>25028709I must admit I somewhat wish I were a thirdie. I've got the worst of both worlds, eastern europe wages and western europe prices.
>>25028713Hello Poland.
>>25028690>live in an exploitative wagecuck hell where you can't fart without paying>b-but I'm actually fine with being a slave!>I couldn't imagine living doing what I'm actually passionate about!>it's the civilized countries that are all shitholes!>people who can live comfortably with less are monkeys!The amount of cope here is staggering. Sad!
desu I can't think of any first world country where you can own a flat with just $1500 a month, that's barely above poverty level in every first world country
>>25028719What are you even talking about? Is your AI translator not working? How are you this wrong about what is being said?
>>25028724he's probably renting the flat.
>>25028726Drink more fluoride bro
>>25028737Anon, can you correctly answer what my monthly gross income is and whether I feel comfortable or not with that income? Can you?
what's the best country to be an RR writer in?
>>25028743Of course you'd convince yourself your death trap is very comfortable by any means, since the only other option would be to blow your brains out immediately
>>25028750hyperborea if you’ve got the right bloodotherwise agartha
>>25028756Anon, I notice you didn't answer the question. Would you like to try again? Shouldn't this be easy to answer? Like as simple as remembering what you had for breakfast this morning?
>Hehehe, why does a man have to worry about having no wife? This girl is beautiful, but how could she replace the ambition inside my heart? Brother Lou Lan, haven't you heard of the old saying that women are like clothes while brothers are like our hands and feet ? Since brother Lou Lan likes her, feel free to have her." Liu Wen Wu chuckled, showing not even a bit of anger.Is this peak webnovel writing?
>>25028787It's amazing, Liu Wen Wu out maneuvered that shitty hei lou lan. for how could it be a mere woman had more value than a brother?Truly Liu Wen Wu is a man worth following.
>>25028804Can't wait until AI is able to rewrite RI in old English.
>>25028848It should start with good English first.
My writing output and schedule has deteriorated so thoroughly over such a long time period that I've basically had to figure out serial writing from scratch. At least it seems to be paying off because I no longer get an automatic "ok we done" impulse the moment I hit 1k-ish words written for the day.
>>25028863how did you figure it out?
>>25028381I have at least two characters that would make for decent plushies and have some scenes that would look good on a T-Shirt if I had an artist to draw it for me.
>>25028860The translation is fine, people hate it not because of translation but because the MC is just too based for them.
>>25028873No I hate it because the MTL is awful and the MC is a cunt.
i have an idea for a web novel.In a speculative mystery, a doomed traveler is spared from a lethal strike by a phantom benefactor who equips him with the power to fracture the flow of time. He navigates a shifting landscape of past and present, weaving through the gears of history to dismantle the circumstances of his own murder. As he drifts between ages, he discovers that his life is merely a pawn in a long-standing occult experiment
>>25028864nta but there really is nothing quite like external deadlines. having X chapters to post a week at exactly X time each day gives a lot of motivation compared to just writing with no intent to post anywhere soon, or without a scheduledoubly so once you have a patreon and feel genuine obligation to your paypiggies (and will have people unsub if you're unreliable)
>>25028892Does it have cultivation?
>>25028916No the protagonist is a normal person outside the device given to him that lets him manipulate time.
>>25028892Doesn't sound like a webnovel at all, but more like a standard novel.
>>25028955whats the difference?
>>25028925regular, 'normal' people are not interesting to read about.
>>25028970he can travel through time.
>>25028864It's not healthy but it really was: A lot of "if I can't even write what the fuck am I good for" type thinking. For me, turning anguish into frustration/anger works.
>>25028892with a quantum phone
>>25028992that's no a bad idea a quantum phone.
>>25028959Your outline is that of a traditional, vanilla story. Not a niche RR/AO3 serialized, gamelit/litrpg, progression, tropey, this-months-archmage, anime/isekai/transmigration xanxia or cultivation rip-off.
>>25028460the anime adaptation of this was hilariously underbudgeted, but I loved some aspects of the story, like how the girls are being constantly threatened to be raped. The author has no idea how to make a character seem evil aside from just making them a rapist.
>>25028982>he can travel through time.That's not enough to make a character interesting.
>>25029021Well what else can he do? The protagonist frequently unleashes painful, gorey deaths upon his enemies. And is obsessed with revenge. Not being a rapist is the only immediate bit of moral high ground for him to stand on.
>>25029021what do you mean this looks amazing
when will tourists realise that their shitty novel being posted on the web doesn't mean it's suddenly a web novel
>>25029027I agree. It's just also not normal or regular.
>>25029040You said that the protag is just the normal person (other than having an ability to travel through time) >>25028925
>>25029059Yea he's not super human it's the device that lets him time travel.
>>25029064Yes, he is otherwise a regular and a normal person and therefore he is uninteresting.
>>25029069I feel like time traveling is somewhat of an elephant in the room.
>>25029072That has nothing to do with his dull personality.
I'm dying trying to generate art with free AI shit.Give it to me straight, /wng/. Do I need to shell out for midjourney?
>>25029089what are you trying to generate?
>>25029091Cover art, patreon advertisement, concept art of characters, etc.
>>25029089>>25029101Just use Leonardo and then something else to make the title. Free credits every day.
>>25028892make it an archmage, give it a level system and make the occult experiment a cute girl
>When Fang Zheng came over he was in time to see Shen Cui smoothing the creases on the clothing of Fang Yuan’s chest. His eyes had a flicker of jealousy.>These years living together with his older brother, under the care of Fang Yuan he also had a servant waiting on him. However his servant was not a youthful girl like Shen Cui but a fat and wide old woman.Why was it like that?
>>25029089what do you want and what resolution?
>>25029130the family is well off but not true upper crustmeaning they two servants and they give the worse one to the less promising or beneficial not adopted son/nephew
>>25029105I was about to pitch a fit about having to create an account but then I remembered that's why I made a bunch of burner email accounts. It's actually working pretty good! I should be able to mash up some character concepts for a launch cover over the next couple days. Thanks!>>25029115It's crazy how strong the archmage meta is right now. This is unironically good advice for any genre of story at the moment.
what makes it archmage
Whats the difference between archmage and just a normal mage?
>>25029131A yakuza mob boss' daughter femme fatale in her mid twenties with a cocky attitude, armed with maybe a spear or dual wielding long daggers held reverse grip.It's a standard isekai story.
What's up with all the idea spam were getting recently?
>>25029156They look good with lordosis.
>>25029163you didn't hear? kinoman finished his story everyone thinks they can become the next kinoman.
>>25029162
>>25029156>>25029153An archmage is the pinnacle of magic, the arch of a doorway, the pinnaclesometimes it is a title only given to one person others it is given to multiple ones in a council.Uninitiated<Apprentice<Mage of various schools or powers < (grand magister or magi, optional )< Archmage < Primordial Magi
>>25029204that doesn't explain the genre
>>25029209frieren likes
>>25029162or this
>>25029212holyshit i love frieren
summoned as the witch queen's familiar, she vanished one day and I took over
>>25029218yes, you get the genre now
>>25029162my last one, don't want to spam
>>25029219>summoned as the witch queen's familiar, she vanished one day and I took overher harem
>>25029196>>25029214>>25029216Thanks man. I think I'm going to have the MC invent the business suit and make it the yakuza clan's uniform.It's tough because I have a hard time explaining the concept I have in my head. I suck at proooompting.>>25029214 is my favorite, I love the braid and hair length.
>>25029163Ideas are quick and easy, plus people want to test the waters by throwing their elevator pitch out there.
>>25029222This one's really good too, and nice get.But it's like a pre-modern isekai society with knights and guilds and shit, so she'd be wearing more like loose pants and a cloth shirt, or maybe even baggy sweatpants and a tight crop top. I dunno. That's kinda why I figured I would need to subscribe to something to prompt around and get ideas to settle down on.
>>25029163People just like getting feed back on ideas.>>25029231>reincarnated into a medieval world I invent ogranized crime
>>25029231so you want a yakuza princess without any bubble gum, motor cycles, limousine, gloves, without suit and tie, without mafia entourage, without sun glassesthen you can not show this I think with visual story tellingshe will look like a generic ninja or somethingwhat I could imagine is her sitting on a man as a chair or rows
>>25029236that makes sense
isekai about a nice cute black girl
>>25029248she migrates to africa from white america, tries to bring them technology then takes slaves and creates liberia with cannibalistic child soldiers
>>25029248forspoken could have been so kino if the writing was just better than trash.
>>25029236Awww fuck that's it!May I save it :3c>>25029237I blame myself for being unable to communicate more clearly about the things in my head, sorry. But boy do you have a very particular concept of yakuza boss' daughter. I'm also kind of thinking of italian organized crime families, too, on top of the manga conception from shows like Nisekoi.Your picture is actually really good too, just some of the angle is a little off for aura purposes. But like that could totally be her holding her intimidation/torture knives when MC gets black-bagged and dragged to her hideout to answer for fucking up one of her deals with his MC plot bullshit. The only way out, of course, is wooing her (which fails, but he's funny so she forces him to join her clan instead of just killing him outright).
>>25029251>it could have been good if it wasn't shitStunning observation.
>gets isekai’d to a late antiquity world>immediately introduces advanced methods of communication for the sole purpose of developing advanced banking methods>MC’s race gets labeled with the stereotype of committing usury for generations thereafter>all because the MC introduced 21st century banking into a world that is culturally and technologically still in the 5th century
>>25029282so the MC lends out money for profit their race does it at scaleand then the unjust stereotype develops that this happens?
>>25029263>May I save it :3cTake it, I own nothing.Might I suggest listening to the other anon though.I made that off civitai, and there are loads of websites where you can just play around with free credits and experiment with models.The only downside I'd say is most models I have encountered on those websites are heavily anime leaning or furry leaning due to the type of images they've been trained on, if you want more realism, mid-journey might do you better.Here's a catbox so you can get the metadata intact.https://files.catbox.moe/1vjz4y.jpegBut you really could get something better / more specific if you messed around.Come to think of it, maybe the OP should have a tutorial of how to generate a quick and easy AI cover because it's the meta of RR these days.
>>25029282>5th centuryMan inventing usury and credit default swaps is just not the play for that time period when instead you could be inventing stirrups, arithmetic, arabic numerals if needed, ZERO, a base ten system if needed, crop rotation, nutrition studies, a concept of hygiene and disease-causing germs, and if you remember enough trigonometry, accurate to scale maps.Honestly an MC who thought "hmmm I'm a lazy piece of shit, I'm going to invent fractional reserve banking and lend money at interest" deserves everything he gets, when simply spreading soap around and getting doctors to wash their hands would have them lauded as a hero.Here's another freebie: explaining that mosquitos come from still water, and getting the tyrannical overlord to order their subjects to remove all pools of standing water and drain swamplands near urban centers.Nahhh man we gotta like invent fiat currency and student loans!*spits*
>>25029292>>25029294it is a blessing for the native-goyim to have their lifesblood vanished by the isekaijin, whose superior culture entitles him to everything of theirs and more.
>>25029298the AEDL Anti Elf Defamation League who constantly misspeaks that they do the things they are accused of then has to delete video evidence the entire internet saw
>>25029293Thanks anon!>I own nothingI pray for your happiness.A guide like that would be useful, because damn there's too many of these ai sites nowadays.I wish my illustrator friend wasn't so busy and it wasn't so hard to go back and forth with him about making small changes that have big changes to the mood of the piece I want. Also I'm sadly not made of money.Thanks again!
I Own Nothing and I WILL Be Happy: A Renter’s IsekaiRenting Power: How I Became an Archmage by Creating Generational DebtF You/Got Mine: A Boomer’s Guide to Conquering a New WorldFinance King: It’s Not My Fault Fantasy Races Are Financially IlliterateQi Go Brrr: The Young Master Refinanced His Clan Again
>>25029282>>25029294>muh currency>muh mafs>muh crop rotationall power comes from physical violenceyou just need chemistry, metallurgy, and automatic firearms
>>25029335Look at this idiot thinking that armies don't march on their stomachs.Farmer bros we run this country
>>25029345I get why so many people want to be isekai'd as necromancers.
>>25029330Zoomer (Bussin Speedster Supreme)
>>25029294Isekai this, antiquity that. I prefer not to live in an era without plumbing and air conditioning.Maybe the MC can be a mage who revolutionized the world with his magical “inventions.”It took two hundred years for people to accept germ theory. Refrigerators, ACs, and other conveniences were adopted nearly instantly. It doesn’t take a genius to see which would print money quicker.
>>25029365Germ theory>one of many causes of diseases with really complicated models for how it works and how to treat itAir conditioning and refrigeration>magic box that makes cold just by flipping a switch to turn it onYeah one's going to get accepted faster. Hell germ theory is only even accepted today because it's indoctrinated into children who don't know any better.I mean you can invent AC but dealing with refrigerant is a pain in the ass and soap already existed it just wasn't used as much as it should have been for proper hygiene. Easy cultural fix.
>>25029374Gets isekaied as a nobleman’s sonBorn with low magic aptitudeTreated poorly by family and servants alikeRelegated to an old mansion for being a family’s embarrassmentStarts doing magical experiments because having no modern conveniences sucksRescues some OP girls who have fallen on hard timesThey become his loyal servantsStarts a company without his family knowingSecretly becomes the richest man in the kingdom while keeping a low profile because edge kinoIs ordered to enter the academy with his estranged siblingsOccasionally has face-slapping momentsOccasionally uses his OP magic weapons like the holy kamikaze drones to defeat the villain of the arcBecomes a power in the shadows who is said to pull the strings behind the scenesOne might say… an eminence in shadows! Dun, dun, dun!
Someone make a tier list of all the /wng/ works.
>>250294411. FFF unlucky antagonist2. The rest
>>25029441That would require people to read.
A comment on the last chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'Now I can die happy.
>>25029537cute
Imagine an Isekai fantasy novel where mana is stored in the boobs. The more mana you have the bigger the boobs. When you use up mana your boobs shrink and when your mana pool fills up again they grow. MC gets isekai'd into the a recently awakened mage. His boobs are unusually large for his level of experience which invites plenty of jealousy. MC also has to grapple with being weirded out by his new body.
>>25029588mooba
>>25029619Maybe feminine booba. That would be more awkward I think.
>>25029629no take backs, it's a mooba story now
I've been reading Hundred Reigns. The best part is when Ballsack is revealed to be a total dickhead, otherwise there's really not that much interesting happening (in ways that are RR-typical).
>>25029163People like to pretend that gimmicks make good stories
>>25029588>>25029619>>25029629>>25029632Return of the Dad Bod Archmage
>>25029588that's my fetish
>>25029236>>25029293How do I learn to proooompt like you, senior?
>>25029345>muh farmaneating enemy corpses is more efficient
Smegma Accumulation Archmage (with System) [OPMC] [smell fetish] [hygieneplay] [enemies to lovers]
>>25029744You only get to say that if eating you're everything, or you're just a wasteful poseur.
>>25029744it's true it's what I eat in rimworld and fallout 4
>>25029694Go to your secret room and enter a closed door cultivation for the next 4 weeks.
>>25029588Please at least watch Seikon no Qwaser before actually writing this.
>>25029588>His boobscursed
>>25029588Believe it or not, Skyrim has a mod for this. It also has a mod for "cast-from-nipples" alternate cast animations.
I need to read /wng/ web novels, I realized something last night. I don't understand what it takes to write a web novel, What people want and how it differs from a normal story.Hopefully FFF unlucky antagonist gives me the direction I need.
>>25030055Read Retribution Engine
>>25030055/wng/'s offerings aren't very representative of what's popular/on-demand
>>25030064*in-demand
>>25030055>Hopefully FFF unlucky antagonist gives me the direction I need.The direction to hell
>>25030055Read xianxia
>>25030055fffman doesn't know either or he'd have more than 200 readers
>>25030146>>25030146>>25030146New Thread
>>25030142It's because of mine revolutionary cover?
