The new interviews prove that WoW will be released soon.

>>25029290
wut?

>>25029280
I feel so bad for you retards that are into this sloppa

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Dany on Balerion Jr is obviously Aegon I. Is Jon Snow Visenya and Aegon VI Rhaenys or vice versa?

>>25029290
I wouldn't count on it. Fat man will hold onto that book as a long as he can just to torture his fans.

https://variety.com/2026/tv/features/knight-seven-kingdoms-premiere-poop-joke-george-rr-martin-1236630568/

>How much of George R. R. Martin’s unpublished novels do you have access to? Do you have the details of stories that he hasn’t written yet?

>I do. There’s a document that few people have read. He works all offline. His computer is not connected to the internet, so things have to be printed out and passed around that way. I’ve seen the plan for 12, 13, 14, 15, maybe, of these novellas. It would be fantastic, but I don’t want to get carried away here. Let’s see if people watch the show. Maybe we’re just one, one and a half, two and done and we all go home, but it’s a lot of fun to write in this world so I hope we get to do more.

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>>25029290
Stop dreaming about things that are coming and look at what's already come out! Exciting news for fans of
>THE MORE SHE SHAT

TWOW is never happening, but D+E 4 & 5 WILL be released. BELIEVE!

Baelor Butthole

>>25029314
Aegon is clearly Visenys because he's being set up to be viciously fucked considering who his most likely wife is.

>A lord's daughter was more like to give her maidenhead to a horse than a husband
Hot...

>>25029460
I could almost believe that simply because the stakes are so much lower and he could actually bang one out in a fit of inspiration over like two weeks. He doesn't need to fit a hundred plot threads or live up to anything or even hit a final ending for the Dunk stories.

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>A peaceful land
>A quiet people

Why is roose one of the only competent people in the north?
In fact in the entire realm
Everyone else seem like retarded children with all their decisions

>>25029604
It would be cool to get a Roose POV. I know its probably gonna happen but I dont want the Boltons to go extinct. They got flair to em. Pink cloaks and flayed armor? Cool as fuk. Definitely one of the more interesting houses in the world. Flaying vampire lords.

>>25029604
>sucks up to Tywin/Cersei
>"""competent"""

>>25029604
>Gets his heir killed because he can't stop himself from raping a random peasant
>Sets himself up as the most easily usurped Lord Paramount in SK history
>Let's his dumb bastard son degenerate into a rapist bandit because he left a rapist bandit thief raise him
He's quite literally one of the dumbest characters. He's the Tywin of the North. If any other character did the stupid shit he does, they'd just die immediately. But because he's a stark villain he has God tier plot armor.

>>25029616
The closest we got is one of the reek chapters where he goes on the backstory of how he raped the windmill girl to birth Ramsey

>>25029633
>>25029646
>Aided Roberts rebellion instead of siding with the dragon lords when everyone thought it would easily be crushed
>Outmaneuvered his eternal stark enemies and set up easy alliances for the north with himself as the helm without losing any of his soldiers
>Baited stannis into heading into the ruins of winterfell in the middle of a snow storm

He literally outmaneuvered and placed himself in the best position at every instance through his entire history, in gambles other lords would NEVER take
He literally see's the board on par with littlefinger

His retard mongrel son is akin to something to Tywins version of The Mountain
Useful until he's not.

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>>25029311
thank you. please try to free us by providing a bunch of better alternatives.

>>25029704
huh. didn't expect him to throw them under the bus this early.

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Reminder.

>>25029687
>Aided Roberts rebellion
So did his fucking liege, Ned. I guess Ned is even smarter than Roose now, since he made the right pick without his liege lord doing it for him.

>Outmaneuvered his eternal stark
Outmaneuvered them how? He had them all ripe for the taking weak and defenseless in his grasp, supported by a host of conspirators, and through all of that only managed to kill one. The rest are all around and kicking. Didn't even bother to make sure that said one's Tully mom remains actually dead.

>set up easy alliances for the north
What alliances? The Freys? Roose helped them betray their ally, he knows what their loyalty is worth. What else? Oh, right, fucking nothing.

>Baited stannis into heading into the ruins of winterfell in the middle of a snow storm
Asof the actual canon, Roose is himself eating Frey pies in said ruins, rubbing his back against a fatass actively murdering Roose's own beloved allies and harboring his king's enemies. And he knows nothing and does nothing. He had one imposter to legitimize his bastards claims with and he lost even her, which would not even be the first or second time Arya Stark has slipped from under his nose.

The only real Roose Ws through the entire series so far are Fat Walda turning out to be a freak in bed and getting Vargo Hoat to turn coat. .

>>25029761
The karstarks is signed onto the plot with boltons
The umbers and the rest of the north also signed onto to pay homage to the boltons. Despite previous being enemies and never liking the boltons all that much
The only one who's against the boltons is the fat fuck in white harbor.

They gained the Lannisters as well
The freys are completely fucked if they turn again and would be wiped out by both sides so their only hopes are to continue to hope that both the north and casterly rock remain on their sides against the various riverlords

The current opposition is only some zombie women
Stannis the retard
Dorne and young Griff who will be too busy fighting Lannisters
Whatever the fuck little finger is planning with Sansa
And whatever schizo plot Euron is doing which could also be teaming up with the boltons themselves

Realistically the only real opposition is going to come from Stannis
And Azor Snoozehai reborn and his magic sword isn't looking like he's about to win this war anytime soon
>Muh dead freys
White Harbor is going to get sacked by Euron
It's obvious that's where the story is going

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Words are wind.

>>25029780
>signed
>signed
"Signed" how? What did they supposedly "sign"?

>They gained the Lannisters as well
"Gained" how?

>The freys are completely fucked if they turn again
The Freys are completely fucked either way.

>some zombie women
"Some zombie woman" has successfully exterminated Frey forces in the Riverlands.
>The current opposition is
...every single Stark save Robb. Plus Jon Snow, the Wildlings, the Ironborn that are still in the North, the Skagosi, the Bear island, exactly 0 Northern lords holding any loyalty to Dreadfort whatsoever - and we're just getting started.

>It's obvious that's~
Nice headcanon there

Boltons as a concept is just stupid

>>25029786
He doesn’t think of himself as a “GRRM, celebrated author of ASOIAF” but as “GRRM, creator of the ASOIAF cinematic universe” anymore. His actions over the last few years have made it very clear where his priorities lie.
That’s why he had such a freak-out over Condal ruining yet another show (after HotD was supposed to wipe away the second half of GoT), and now wants yet another attempt at it with Dunk & Egg.

>>25029885
Fat fuck visits Tolkien's grave, thinks about his legacy and doubles down on doing even more hbo slop. I don't get it.

>>25029968
He might not be thinking about the book legacy. Movie adaptations of Tolkien were the most successful fantasy adaptations up to date, desu.

>>25029704
It's been so long since fat fuck thought about the books, he's forgotten what he even wrote in the first place. Dany has been shitting next to a creek for almost 15 years now, Georgie

The Andal Invasion
Was it supposed to mirror the Anglo-Saxons or the Normans?

>>25029687
>Aided Roberts rebellion
Even the fucking Greyjous did that. No one in their right mind except the biggest cucks in the story thought sticking around with Aerys and hoping his dumbass son would do better was a good idea. Even Mace fucking Tyrell only showed token support by sitting his fat ass at Storms End and let Rhaegar die in the Riverlands.
>Outmanoeuvred his eternal stark enemies
By taking the blame for Tywins scheme which has completely removed any chance of him actually surviving, unlike the Starks because the dumb fuck never remarried until he found his fat frey wife and is now left with an insane bastard who will most likely end up inheriting. The motherfucker literally got fed human pie because he chomped at the bit to betray the Starks instead of doing his job and aiding Robb which probably would have left him in a better position, or at least wouldn't have led to him not being the most pathetic Lord Paramount solely because Walder Frey also holds the title.
>Baited Stannis
He's literally on the verge of getting baited himself, and if Stannis doesn't kick his shit in as all military strategy would imply, then it just goes further to show how thick his plot armor is. He came up with a harebrained scheme to come up with a fake Arya as if some of the lords wouldn't have already met her, and some random fucking Poole with no resemblance to any Stark could possibly fool them. The his mongrel son is half the reason he's having such a hard time, because he can't stop being a degenerate long enough to avoid torturing what half his lords think is the last living unmarried child of their favorite Lord Paramount.

He doesn't see jack shit, he sucked Tywins dick, sabotaged Robb, all to get himself widely despised, remembered for breaking a sacred custom across an entire continent that doesn't share anything in common with the next region except hate. All just to end up fighting every one of his lords while they butcher his in-laws, and feed them to him while his son runs around wasting time and manpower on the dumbest shit while permanently dragging his name through the mud even further. Of all the "Second Best" Lords, Roose is by far the most pathetic of them even if you include Walder Frey, who is actually the one that's always getting a good deal besides the one with the Red Wedding which has irrevocably fucked him.

>>25030010
Both. It's a mix in terms of the cultural effect. The Ironborn invasion of the Riverlands mirrors the Anglo-Saxons more though.

>>25029349
He's not holding onto anything, he's just not writing it anymore. Have you written anything a few years ago? Now imagine trying to follow up on it while keeping it consistent. Like that other anon said, Dany has been shitting for 15 years, Tywin has been dead for longer. There is no possible way he ever finished that book, and all the people going "oh he's just reacting to fan backlash!" Are coping because it is his own fault he got that reaction, and he could have easily remedied it if he didn't like it.

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What's his endgame?

>>25030136
Be a loser like every Braavosi except the Black Pearls.

>>25029885
George should have been much more involved on the show. Just letting people do whatever they want doesn’t work.

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

What is the heart of winter?

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>>25030139
>the Black Pearls

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>>25029869
Cope, chud.

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>>25029704

That GRRM couldn't get the utterly retarded scene of Dunk taking a diarrhea shit cut from the episode, only confirms that the contract he signed with HBO leaves him zero authority over the tv shows.

HBO and whichever literal who they hire as writers/showrunners can do whatever the fuck they want with his works...

>>25029761
>What alliances? The Freys? Roose helped them betray their ally, he knows what their loyalty is worth. What else? Oh, right, fucking nothing.
I think he meant Dustin and Ryswell, but not sure.

I like the idea that Ramsey forced his hand when the retard burnt Winterfell.
Roose had no choice because his son made him a traitor, so might as well go all in on his treason.

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>>25030010
>The Andal Invasion
>Was it supposed to mirror the Anglo-Saxons or the Normans?

The First Men arriving in Westeros is an analog for the ancient Indo-European migrations, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain after the fall of Rome and the Targaryens are foreign conquerors mirroring the Normans invading and taking over.

>>25030436
The funny thing is that Ramsay also antagonized both of those houses by being a dumb fuck. He actually left Roose out to dry completely, despite what he says he absolutely rues the day he raped his mother more than anything else, he had a good thing going, and Ramsay absolutely fucked him over in every conceivable way.

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>>25030436
>>What alliances?
>I think he meant Dustin and Ryswell, but not sure.

Barbrey Dustin may claim she's loyal to the Boltons but it's clear she's secretly part of the Northern conspiracy to overthrow Roose and Ramsay, it may even be one of her men who is murdering Bolton men in Winterfell.

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How would you write a Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots-esque showdown between Bittersteel and Bloodraven? Two elderly men beating the shit out of each other as a climax to asoiaf. I'm thinking Bittersteel's gold covered skull plopped onto a wight body, fueled by ice magic. Bloodraven could possess Jon. Oldsteel vs Jonraven. I just think this is really funny and worth writing about.

>>25030023
More like vikings, which is what the Ironborn are. Danes ruled over swathes of England for centuries, after all.

>>25030461
And that's all retard Ramsay's fault.
She was firmly on Roose's (and Domeric's side), but the bastard had to screw everything up for Roose.

>>25030505
Eh, I'd say otherwise, the Andals are for more similar to the Normans, and the Ironborn come across more like the original Angles, Saxons, and Jutes that invaded England after being hired to protect them. The Targs just have the William the Conquerer thing going on, but culturally the Andals did to the First Men what the Normans did to the Anglo-Saxons. George just split up various parts of the various invasions between the three.

>>25029761
>Asof the actual canon, Roose is himself eating Frey pies in said ruins, rubbing his back against a fatass actively murdering Roose's own beloved allies and harboring his king's enemies. And he knows nothing and does nothing.
0% chance Roose does not recognize the taste of human flesh btw. He actually acts pretty shook during that feast (for Roose Bolton).

>>25030524
I think it was also partly because he wasn't sure if Manderly was entirely that much of a pussy and had his guard let down by Manderly also eating the fucking pie with him. I don't know about recognizing the taste, but I think after seeing him that happy, and the rat cook song, it became very obvious, and he began to realize how deep the hatred went, as well as how unstable his position was.

Should I read ASoIAF or LoTR?
Audiobook only.

>>25030566
The Hobbit

>>25030566
Lotr, and actually read you degenerate.

>>25030566
There are readings of Robert E. Howard's Conan books on youtube.

Thematically, it’s interesting how all three of ASOIAF’s protagonists are bastards:
>Jon: son of Ned and Ashara out of wedlock
>Tyrion: son of Aerys and Joanna out of wedlock
>Dany: daughter of Rhaegar and Rhaella out of wedlock

>>25030566
Read the Bible, they're all different retellings of its stories in one way or another anyway.

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Quentyn is alive. He's gonna take over Mereen impressing Dany, they'll marry and he's gonna lead her armies against Arianne and Aegon. The reckless prince will become one of the most important characters. Quentyn is endgame, I'm telling you, I'M NOT CRAZY

>>25030902
All this coping because Preston self inserted as Quentyn. Kek.

>>25030566
Serkis narrates the audiobooks for LOTR its pretty good. Don't particularly enjoy the ASOIAF ones but they're alright. Dotrice can't consistently pronounce names

For Dunkin Egg should I watch the show first or read the books or the comics?

>>25031284
I was gonna recommend the audiobook but TheirTube fucking nuked it. It was really good too. All there is now on youtube are dogshit fan readings, from what I can see at least. I'll look it up after I sleep first.

>>25031317
Is it the one by Frank Muller?

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>>25030794
>still pushing N+A=J in 2016+10

>>25029704
They thought it would be funny to take a literal shit as the GoT theme played. I guess the idea was to cement it as a different type of show but it just came out as “this is what I think of this material”. The rest of the show seemed okay (or they’re just saving their retard rewrites for later) so it’s just weird and offputting to new viewers.

GURM seems to understand that. It’s wild that all these Hollywood types refuse to listen. He was gonna tear HotD a new asshole in that multi part series before the lawyers shut it down. And this is the guy who always wanted to be in Hollywood writing scripts. Lol.

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>>25029290
>The new interviews prove that WoW will be released soon.
Of course it's going to be released, there is over 1,000 pages written. The issue is, George is a perfectionist and wants only 7 books and doesn't want to split the books up (which already has happened in UK). The issue at hand is George starts off the book with alot of shit happening and than it starts me meandering thought the rest and there is no definitive "end" of the book. The only thing left is when we will get Winds, not if. Dreams is completely up in the air if we we will ever see.

Winds of Winter + Dream of Spring
the last nine novellas of Dunk and Egg
or Fire and Blood Part 2

Which would you choose?

>>25030518
The normans were… also vikings.

>>25030902
I think this psyop comes from thinking
1) GURM could plan ahead, clearly delusional
2) He wouldn’t waste precious (lol) page count telling a story to nowhere just to shit on the hero myth archetype. Clearly he would.

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Wtf was Preston on about Stannis having to spend the entire book of Winds going south after he takes Winterfell and puts Sansa on the throne or whatever? Realistically how far south could Stannis' army get in Winds? The neck?

>>25031886
>The normans were… also vikings.
Normans were Danes, Danes ain't vikings

coming from someone who is descended from a Norman knight invited to Scotland by the King of Scotland and became a minor vassal house there.

>>25031886
By that point they were fully French.

Calling them vikings in 1066 is English cope.

>>25031885
Another sci-fi story

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When is /grrm/ going to do a CK game? 2 or 3 doesn't matter

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>>25029280
>>25029290
>>25029349
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>>25031880
Oh, George…
As some always suspected, George RR Martin is attempting to change the end of ASOIAF because he didn’t like how the audiences responded to his intended end to the epic fantasy saga:

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Martin said, “[The book’s ending is] going to be significantly different.”

“Some characters who are alive in my book are going to be dead in the show, and vice versa,” he added.

Now, obviously characters being dead in the show that are still alive in the books is already the case, but this is significantly different from what Martin was saying before the show ended and even immediately after it ended back in 2019.

Nevertheless, he shared some specifics about what he is now planning for his ending, “I was going to kill more people. Not the ones they killed [in the show]. They made it more of a happy ending. I don’t see a happy ending for Tyrion. His whole arc has been tragic from the first. I was going to have Sansa die, but she’s been so appealing in the show, maybe I’ll let her live …”

None of this changes his fundamental problem of having introduced FAR too many perspective characters, which is why it is unlikely that either THE WINDS OF WINTER or any more books in the series will ever be published in his lifetime.

And frankly, I think he should change the ending, assuming he is somehow able to find a way to wrap it up. Because the ending of the television show was terrible and indefensible in literally every single way. There was no sense in which it was either satisfying or made any sense; it would have been much better if he had shown the courage of his convictions and had the Night King triumph over all.

That’s what his crabbed little soul really craves, but he doesn’t have the backbone for it.

>>25031943
> Danes ain't vikings
Viking is an occupation not a nationality. The vikings drew primarily from modern Denmark and Norway, so yes the “Danes” were vikings.
>>25032208
The Normans didn’t magically turn into Frenchies in 100 years dimwit. They were good at syncretism not assimilation which is why Britain despite only ever getting a handful of actual northmen invading them are stuck with permanent linguistic heritage as well as entire regions with cultural changes all this time later.
For northern France it meant having a new culture of occupation that didn’t just assfuck Brits and give them a generational trauma, they also went on conquests across Europe. Just like their ancestors. Because they’re the same people.

>>25031943
>coming from someone who is descended from a Norman knight invited to Scotland by the King of Scotland and became a minor vassal house there.
So you have kangs blood....mind paying me a visit? I have Arbor Gold.

was gurm touched as a child?

>>25030902
Preston is a dumbass, don't get be wrong. But having Quentyn be alive as a way to quickly get a dragon over to fAegon is a good idea if you're in the business of being economical about Dance 2.0.. Same with Vic getting one to Euron.
Also fAegon having a burned up champion on his side that's super pissed at Doran for being a shit dad is just kind of cool.

>>25032477
>Dornish prince pissed off at Doran for reasons
Arianne is right there.

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I would trade TWOW any day for more D+E.

>>25032480
I don't think she has nearly as compelling of a reason to be mad at Doran.
I mean her whole arc in Feast is learning that the reason she was mad in the first place was due to a misconception.
Also she doesn't have a dragon.

>>25031284
>>25031448
Do the Harry Lloyd audiobooks. They are the definitive way to experience it. Get a library card if you need to and libby.

>>25032477
>Preston is a dumbass
And bald.

>>25032491
It's pretty funny how much of a fullblown facebook boomer he is.

Bait

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>>25032482
>more D+E
OHNONONONO

>>25032533
not this fuckin guy again

>>25031898
If he tells the crannogmen what's going on he could go as far south as the crownlands

>>25032533
If I wasn't lazy I would edit the subtitles of the first episode where Egg says his name, add "And I go by they/them pronouns" to ragebait.

>george likes show sansa more than his own

Has he gone senile?

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>>25032489
>Harry Lloyd

The guy is an excellent actor.

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>>25032318
>The Normans didn’t magically turn into Frenchies in 100 years dimwit.

They kinda did. William the Conqueror was only the 6th generation since his Scandinavian ancestor Rollo swore fealty to the French and was granted Normandy in 911 AD. By 1066 (only a 155 years later) the Normans were wholly French.

>>25032502
it's weird how he can have the most crackpot theories about ASOIAF and then the most milquetoast, black-and-white, one-dimensional political views kek

>>25033197
It's bait don't respond

>>25033207
Because he's a glowy deep state loyalist, you can meet plenty of people who are surprisingly nuanced when it comes to fiction but irl they're all or nothing because it's heckin really important that (insert dogshit opinions here)

>>25030566
you should read a finished series.

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>send your hothead brother into lannister lair for certain death
>choose to marry your children to heirs of 3 opposite factions that will end up at war with eachother
Is Doran Martell an actual retard? His sister, brother and son died a horrible death and his slut daughter will end up marrying a wrong dragon and probably die along with Aegon once Dany uses dragons to burn down King Landing, assuming Cersei/Jon Connington won't burn it before her

What is exactly his master plan? Kill every single member of house Martell?

>>25032710
No, he just likes the thought of fucking that Turner bint.

>>25034022
>What is exactly his master plan?
i'm glad you asked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBfdd_xNVo

tl;dw enact Dornish Law on all of Westeros and seat Arianne Martell on the Iron Throne.

>>25034149
>seat Arianne Martel
He knows she is a massive whore and he sent her to act as a "diplomat" to a 19 year old extremely handsome boy who just started an invasion. Even if Aegon wins you still have to worry about his, crazy cousin mother of literal dragons with army of fanatical eunuchs eventually coming to westeros. Doran had waited 20 years for revenge and then literally chose the most stupidest moment to act on his plans, whatever they are. If he did nothing he would win by process of elimination because all great houses would slaughter eachother and there would be no one left except for house Martell. But he choose to send ALL his children to certain death. He must be a secret lannister/tyrell

I just had a thought we all know GRRM is stumped and in Dance it was the Mereenese knot but Winds seems to be proven several difficult dilemmas for him in particularly probably The Others and how they are going to factor into the last act of the "trilogy". My bet is it will be who tames which of two of Daenerys dragons and what order it'll be in since there seems to be another Dance being set up probably before the Others Invasion happens.

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Think about the arrogance of GRRM doing endless interviews and conventions knowing that he doesn't want to talk about the only subject people are interested in hearing about. It pretty much sums the whole thing up: he doesn't want to be a writer. He's just an old man who wants attention, and all he wants to do is revel in it now that he has the chance because no one really cares about any of his other pet interests.

I kinda resent him for it. I also get it to an extent. Imagine being able to get everybody to listen to whatever you want to talk about. It must induce a high on some chemical level.

I just think about all the writers who would kill to have the ability to create works for a wide audience to enjoy, but George is content to spend this opportunity on conventions, award shows, and other ego boosting events.

>>25030914
> a low t faggot that nobody likes besides his cripple lib-pilled feminist dad
Yup, Quentyn is also bald like Preston too (all his hair were destroyed by dragonfire)

>>25031885
I already did, 28 more Wild Card books edited by GRRM. Your living in my timeline!

>>25034217
Yeah the Dance part of the book was pushed into this book which is also supposed to be the Winter/Others invasion book. The logical conclusion of solving the Mereenese knot was cutting it in half and shoving the second half into an 8th book but GRRM doesn't want to.

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Even if winds gets published, what's the point?

We are definitely not getting A Dream of Spring, so the book isn't going to get finished neither way.

If anything it'll at least revive the famdom and give us 10 more years of slop on Ao3.

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>Once, so tormented she could not sleep, Dany slid a hand down between her legs, and gasped when she felt how wet she was. Scarce daring to breathe, she moved her fingers back and forth between her lower lips, slowly so as not to wake Irri beside her, until she found one sweet spot and lingered there, touching herself lightly, timidly at first and then faster. Still, the relief she wanted seemed to recede before her, until her dragons stirred, and one screamed out across the cabin, and Irri woke and saw what she was doing.

>Dany knew her face was flushed, but in the darkness Irri surely could not tell. Wordless, the handmaid put a hand on her breast, then bent to take a nipple in her mouth. Her other hand drifted down across the soft curve of belly, through the mound of fine silvery-gold hair, and went to work between Dany's thighs. It was no more than a few moments until her legs twisted and her breasts heaved and her whole body shuddered. She screamed then. Or perhaps that was Drogon. Irri never said a thing, only curled back up and went back to sleep the instant the thing was done.

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>>25030517
>And that's all retard Ramsay's fault.

Well, in large part but the die was cast when Roose betrayed Robb and murdered him. Nobody liked Roose and the Boltons before and now everybody hates them.

>She was firmly on Roose's (and Domeric's side), but the bastard had to screw everything up for Roose.

She liked Domeric but he appears to have been a Bolton outlier, as they're pretty much uniformly bad guys.

>>25030518
>the Andals are for more similar to the Normans

No, the Andals were an unorganized migration of a people, the Normans were an organized state.

>>25034682
barba bolton from fire and blood seems nice

>>25030566
>Audiobook only.

Remove yourself.

>>25032318
>The Normans didn’t magically turn into Frenchies in 100 years dimwit.

It was 155 years and yes, they were pretty much Frenchies by then.

>They were good at syncretism not assimilation

Nonsense, Scandinavians quickly and readily assimilated into whatever society they migrated to, be it Normandy, Britain, Ukraine, etc.

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>>25034022
>slut daughter

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>>25034378

Gurm is a typical baby boomer.

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>>25034417
>the Winter/Others invasion book.

What would you even write?

Chapter 1
"Oh no, the Others are attacking, run away!"
Chapter 10
"Oh no, the Others are attacking again, run away!"
Chapter 15
"Oh no, the Others are still attacking, run away!"

The Others will be dealt with in one or two chapters, where a character (probably Arya) one-shots the Final Boss just like a vidya game, because that's the ONLY way to stop them.

Someone explain to me why he cares so fucking much about the TV adaptions that he basically crashed all his writing progress for the last 15 years because of it. Is it just a boomer american thing to love the electric jew that much? Its not like it even made the adaptions good in the end, plus everyone knows that the adaption everyone remembers will be whatever fans think is the best one. Nobody gives a shit about the lotr animated film.

>>25034710
well yeah if you want to build up the gigantic evil horde that has been talked about as the ultimate threat since book 1 you should probably write a few chapters about how shits fucked and its absolutely hopeless. It would be lame if the Others dont even make it past the North.

>>25034803
>Someone explain to me why he cares so fucking much about the TV adaptions
Sex with starlets. That's it, simple as.

>>25034803
>Someone explain to me why he cares so fucking much about the TV adaptions
Because he is a vain hedonist. He likes when he gets praise for writing Emilia Clarke, portraying a child, getting rammed up the ass by a sandnigger barbarian. He doesn't like when he gets criticism for not finishing the books.

>>25034803
you retards don't know that GRRM was a tv writer before ASOIAF?

>>25033417
It honestly fits that the fanfic is the only Winds we will get considering GrrM is nearly as retarded that stuff.
GrrM would probably be as chronically on twitter as Stephen King if he had finished the books.

>>25034803
Gurm IS the Electric Jew. He got his start writing for bad television, e.g. that Linda Hamilton/Ron Perlman Beauty and the Beast where the Beast was a literal C.H.U.D.

He was hoping for that TV adaptation from day 1, and having it become the most popular, defining TV series of a decade must have been beyond his wildest dreams. Once that happened, the asspain of writing the books themselves must have seemed monumentally unimportant to him.

Reminder that Martin hasn't finished a whole ASOIAF book since 2000 with Swords seeing as both Feast and Dance are two halves of the same book but also have their ending chapters cut off and moved to Winds.

I'd rather have the third book of KKC than this

>>25034803
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SphWbBN3YzM
This fits GRRM to a T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbU5imNyDaU

holy mother of all rambling

>>25031885

Dunk and Egg, no question.

>>25031885
Dunk and Egg

>>25031885
Fire and Blood just to make fans seethe, but in reality I'd go with Anon and have him do nothing but shart out Wild Cards until the dysentery kills him.

>>25031885
Winds and Dream

If Winds comes out it's gonna be so surreal and probably feel like it wasn't written by one author because some of the chapters (Mercy) were literally written 25 years ago. It won't even be the same writing style anymore, will it?

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>>25034809
>It would be lame if the Others dont even make it past the North.

If the Others make it past the North, then the entire continent is depopulated because everybody (who didn't flee south) is now an undead zombie.

The Others are simply too powerful to stop other than the hero killing the Final Boss and having them all collapse into dust.

>>25034884
>you retards don't know that GRRM was a tv writer before ASOIAF?

Which makes it all the more surprising that he signed such a shitty deal with HBO, allowing them to do whatever the fuck they want with his works.

>>25035521
>The Others are simply too powerful to stop
except they were already stopped 8000 yrs ago

>>25031885
the obvious answer is TWOW + ADOS
this might be a fairer question if it was just TWOW

>>25035444
Jonsachads keep winning

>>25035712
I agree. I'd pick Winds and Dream every time, but I think I'd pick 9 Dunk and Egg Novellas over just Winds.

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>>25034710
The series ends in the signing of a new pact between Ice and Fire, not a le epic battle (don't worry, all the unworthy kings will die first)

>>25035444
It's over cunnychads... we lost.

>>25036255
The titular dragon in "A Dance with Dragons" refers to the money, not to literal dragons. Jon, Stannis, Tyrion, and Kevan are all in financial chaos.

>>25036258
It died with the 5-year-gap. Arya was forever little-sister-zoned.

Cersei a freak

Nigga name Josmyn Peckledon

>>25034803
>Someone explain to me why he cares so fucking much about the TV adaptions that he basically crashed all his writing progress for the last 15 years
Because he realized that he's unable to pull off writing the rest of the story. His TV slop is everything he has left.

Heinlein inspired GRRM's love of science fiction.

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>>25034830
>He likes when he gets praise for writing Emilia Clarke, portraying a child, getting rammed up the ass by a sandnigger barbarian.
This will never not be based and hilarious. It makes moralfags and wignats asshurt. Funniest of all is Drogo treating Dany better than Viserys ever did and having killed him for being a piece of shit.

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>>25036761
Women fucking LOVE rape

>>25036785
Very true.

>......inside her was some foolish little girl who could not help but look about for Daario. If he loved you, he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl, the girl in her insisted....

>>25036794
Did Viserys ever tell us how he felt about Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna?

>>25036845
Dan & Dave put more thought into Viserys than George did so the answer is no.

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>>25036255
>The series ends in the signing of a new pact between Ice and Fire

The Others are a sentient magical bio-weapon created by the Children of the Forest, who then lost control of their Frankenstein monster and had to ally with humans, lest the Others kill off all life on Planetos.

There is no making a deal with the Others.

>>25035580
>>The Others are simply too powerful to stop
>except they were already stopped 8000 yrs ago

They were defeated and trapped beyond the Wall by magic.

>>25036865
>There is no making a deal with the Others.
*laughs in Craster*
>>25036869
>They were defeated
So they can be stopped.

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>>25036907
>>>25036865 (You)
>>There is no making a deal with the Others.
>*laughs in Craster*

Craster would have been killed and zombified once the Others moved against the Wall.

>>>25036869 (You)
>>They were defeated
>So they can be stopped.

Magically stopped or defeated, you can sign a contract with them.

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Has season 8 actually caused him to change his mind about things like King Bran, mad queen Dany etc?

Sex with Canker Jeyne

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Let's fucking go

>>25036932
wtf this is just porn

>>25036932
God feast was so shit.

>>25037439
"Her cunt became the world" was in Dance though

Why did they make Leaf an immortal ten thousand year old elf on the show, while she’s just a few hundred years old in the books? She’s not young, but she’s not that old. They’re not immortal.

I laughed when Max von Sydow said he waited a thousand years to Bran. That is not how old Bloodraven is.

>>25037813
>Rickon has red hair
>Bran does not
why

>>25036785
>anon thinks this is a horny face
You’ve never been with a woman have you?

>>25037932
I'm sure you have, Mr Casanova. Some pity fuck maybe.

>>25037832
He literally does, blindanon.

>>25038101
>Some pity fuck maybe
Your mom could just tell I was feeling down. She’s a good woman.

Remember that time George unironically wrote “bro” in his books.

>>25037813
why is jon sucking bran's dick

>>25038172
the top person is Bran, with brown hair
the person sucking bran's dick is Jon
on the left is Alayne, with red roots showing
on the right is Arya
in bottom front is Catelyn carrying baby Rickon

>>25038616
>Catelyn
that's robb

>>25038696
Robb's on the left with an arrow in his chest, and Greywind is the dead wolf on the right

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>>25038616

>>25039286
>>25037813
I don't remember sansa skinchanging a bird

>>25039289
She has a lot of bird imagery associated with her. People suspect that if she does awaken her warg abilities in Winds/Dream then it would be to skinchange birds.

>>25039289
>That night the dead man sang "The Day They Hanged Black Robin," "The Mother's Tears," and "The Rains of Castamere." Then he stopped for a while, but just as Sansa began to drift off he started to play again. He sang "Six Sorrows," "Fallen Leaves," and "Alysanne." Such sad songs, she thought. When she closed her eyes she could see him in his sky cell, huddled in a corner away from the cold black sky, crouched beneath a fur with his woodharp cradled against his chest.

Some people think this is her skinchanging.

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>>25037813

Typical ASOIAF garbage "art". Do we blame cellphones for this also?

>>25036255
Why would the others make another pact with humans, when the first one was already broken?

Not to mention a bronze age civilization was able to fight the others to at least a standstill which led to the first pact. I have no doubt that a high medieval civilization can put up a decent fight especially with dragons.

>>25035444
He looks so old

>>25039414
Beacause George is a hipster who hates le good vs le evil.

>“I admire Tolkien greatly. His books had enormous influence on me. And the trope that he sort of established—the idea of the Dark Lord and his Evil Minions—in the hands of lesser writers over the years and decades has not served the genre well. It has been beaten to death. The battle of good and evil is a great subject for any book and certainly for a fantasy book, but I think ultimately the battle between good and evil is weighed within the individual human heart and not necessarily between an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black."

>Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black.

>Septon Cellador paled. "Seven save us." Wine dribbled down his chin in a red line. "Lord Commander, wights are monstrous, unnatural creatures. Abominations before the eyes of the gods. You … you cannot mean to try to talk with them?"

>"Can they talk?" asked Jon Snow. "I think not, but I cannot claim to know. Monsters they may be, but they were men before they died. How much remains? The one I slew was intent on killing Lord Commander Mormont. Plainly it remembered who he was and where to find him." Maester Aemon would have grasped his purpose, Jon did not doubt; Sam Tarly would have been terrified, but he would have understood as well. "My lord father used to tell me that a man must know his enemies. We understand little of the wights and less about the Others. We need to learn."

>Ser Patrek smiled. "Tell me, Lord Commander, should the Others turn up, do you plan to offer hospitality to them as well?"

>>25039495
What a hack, I bet he can't find even a satisfying way to end it that way either because there isn't one. He hasn't even set up the others as anything but cruel and indifferent with humanity. Just make them a force of nature, its much easier narratively. Fuck even D&D established the others better.

>>25039363
The guy in your picture is an established popular artist teaching at Berlin art academy, meanwhile the ASOIAF artist you are shit talking about is just some noname 20yo woman (I guarantee it's a woman) that picks up a pencil once every 6 months

>>25039586
Fuck, apparently there is several Hilderbrandt artists and I confused the LOTR ones for a German one.

>>25034934
How many words can you write in a single hour? Mfer really spent a doze or more hours dressing up, traveling and waiting for the meet up just to waste a hour there talking about his personal life?

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>>25039586
>>25039592

My point is that virtually all the ASOIAF art is cartoony garbage. I've only seen a handful of pics that are well done which is odd, as there are all kinda opportunities for cool art.

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Have you ever been to a book signing by George?

>>25036865
you sound like a redditor, kek. nobody listens to you

>news dropped
>show dropped
>general is more dead than ever
It was nice while it lasted.

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Arte

>>25041314
>show dropped
>general is more dead than ever
proof /grrm/ is mostly comprised of /tv/ refugees

>>25041437
Google AI tells me the book sales went from 12 mill to 90 during the show, did you ever need proof?

>>25041464
Not even a tenfold increase? Surprised it went up so little. GoT was the most famous TV show for a decade, I don't think there's any contemporary show right that can rival its popularity?

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>Not even a tenfold increase?

>>25039495
>Beacause George is a hipster who hates le good vs le evil.
Ugh shut up you moralfaggot retard. If he hated it so much, why the fuck is he a tolkienfag? Why does he visit Tolkien's grave? Why do elements of his story come from lotr? The ultimate irony is that Georgie Porgie is a bigger Tolkien fan than most.

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>why the fuck is he a tolkienfag?
Because it's an easy win and looks good to glaze Tolkien.
>Why does he visit Tolkien's grave?
Because it looks good to be seen paying tribute to Tolkien.
>Why do elements of his story come from lotr?
Because it's easy to steal from other authors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAOspihR8ok

it's up and the intro is pretty fitting for this thread (the first minute)

Winds December 2027

>They would have shared their first man as well, but Drey got too excited and spurted all over Tyene's fingers the moment she drew him from his breeches
Wtf

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Just bought this from my local bookstore.
What am I in for?

Milky breasts

>>25043455
A 500 page foreword about how dangerous fascism is and how hard of a life George has.

So is it true Varys and Petyr are working together? A certain youtuber keeps making 2 hour analysis videos trying to prove this point

>>25044129
>Fan: How would you describe Littlefinger and Varys’ relationship?

>George: Adversarial! Both of them know a lot about the other, including some very damaging things. They're essentially in a stalemate because they know that if one reveals what they know about the other, the other would reciprocate, and then they could both be destroyed. I think Littlefinger has a better idea of what Varys wants than Varys has an idea of what Littlefinger wants. Littlefinger is an agent of chaos who likes to be unpredictable and succeeds in that.

>>25043194
god I wish that was me
Tyene is the hottest sand snake by far
>pure innocent sweet blond crazy eyed murderer

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>>25043455

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>>25041314

It takes a village to raise a thread.

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Asshai is cool as fuck

>>25045434
why the fuck would anyone live here

>>25032299
>voxday
what is our opinion of him?

>>25045455
Mate people live in india, china and california.

I FUCKING LOVE TARGARYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>I FUCKING LOVE TARGARYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>25045913
if he loves targs why is their dynasty dead forever?

>>25045400
Cringe "world building". They speak Andal (old germanic), the Old Tongue (gaelic), High and Low Valyrian (latin and french), and Rhoynish (arabic).

>>25045434
It’s just a successfully habituated Yeen. Valyria is cooler.

>>25045913
No way, George is chatting with his Discord kittens as well?!

>>25046416
Asshai is 10 times as old and still exists. Valyria is a faggot empire and dead

DUDE HOWLAND'S SHOTGUN LMAO

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>>25046919

>>25045913
He hasn't sat down at that desk in months.

>>25046459
What is Asshais tax policy

>character named Duncan Egg
>squire is named Egg
wow george

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>>25048267

>>25046430
>zoomers think that some DOS program is discord
kek these mfers retarded!

>>25041878
>Because it's an easy win and looks good to glaze Tolkien
No one cares. He genuinely liked the books.
>Because it's an easy win and looks good to glaze Tolkien.
Again, no one cares about Tolkien enough for that to work. Especially the shitlibs who like his stuff. If anything its counterintuitive as fuck. Tolkien was white, straight and a proud catholic. If George is as you say he is, he should be making tweets about how evil Tolkien was.
>Because it's easy to steal from other authors
I didn't know Tolkien had a thing for describing main characters taking shits, sex scenes, or any of George's other weird writing. Reminder that Gandalf as a name is stolen and Tolkien basically ripped off european mythology. You're a drooling retard faggot.
>>25049216
>boomerlennial retard doesn't get joke
Put that other foot in the grave, alongside your avocado toast and søy

>>25049261
>the joke is that i was pretending to be retarded
okay buddy

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>>25049261
>Tolkien basically ripped off european mythology.

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>You're a drooling retard faggot.
Big words for someone who lacks basic reading comprehension.

Just finished reading Feast for Crows

The winged knight was azor ahai

>>25050025
Delete this, I was gatekeeping this piece of esoteric knowledge, the normies don’t know about that yet

>>25032299
So so tired of this low effort, braindead take being constantly repeated by drooling morons who havent even read the books.
Anyone whose read them and has an above room temp IQ knows how wildly different the ending will be. Even the things that are likely to be the same, like Bran ending up in charge, will be so wildly different in tone as to make the show version unrecognizable. The last time we saw Bran he had just unknowingly consumed his closest friend to join minds with the wierwood hive mind. Completely different tone to the wisecracking psychic kid we got in the show, and obviously if he ends up in charge it will be because he's Jon Snows eldest male relative, not because of some best story nonsense.
The books dont even have a Night King for gods sake, so obviously all the white walkers wont end up defeated by some Arya slight of hand bullshit.

>>25034710
Or you can just burn them all with dragons

If I want to read dunk & egg, how am I doing it, what's the best way
There are the three separate books right?
Then there is the knight of the seven kingdoms book, which is I think all 3 in one?
Then there is a graphic version with illustrations? I'm very confused which should I get. Apparently the price of hedge knight is the same price as the three in one and I'm confused. I don't want any unofficial stuff

>>25051528
I listened to the official audiobook narrated by the Viserys actor from GoT season 1, then I read the graphic novel. If you want to read it get the 3 in 1 book.

>>25029280

This shit is such a droll to read through. You really aren't missing much if you have watched the show.

Sanderson won

He got unprecedented dictatorial control over his own adaptations. I hope this makes George give up and go write the books instead.

>>25029280
I only really like A Game Of Thrones and A Dance With Dragons. To account for this, the other ASOIAF books were removed from my personal library and I've canonized them as lost tomes. Does anyone else do this sort of thing?

>>25052140
no you fucking idiot

I'd love to read these books but refuse to read a series that will be potentially be unfinished

What are the realistic chance that this shit gets finished? Is it just one last book or?

>>25052140
What?

>>25052181
The chance is 0%. The author has been sitting on the same 1100 pages he wrote for 5 years by now, every year there are only promises but 0 progress

>>25031885
Why would anybody choose a spinoff over the main series?

>>25039495
>it's hipsterish to hate banal oversimplified answers to fundamental life questions
Tolkienfags are still recycling dead philosophies and it's pathetic. What makes ASOIAF so good is that GRRM explores real answers to moral questions, rather than trite platitudes.

>>25045455
To learn powerful secret magic.

>>25052181
If he gives up his TV bullshit and just fucking writes he could get both Winds and Dream out by 2030. If he doesn't give up the TV bullshit then it's never happening.

>>25029280
George R.R. Fartin

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>>25051528
>Then there is the knight of the seven kingdoms book, which is I think all 3 in one?

Yes, read that one.

>>25029280
Geolkien Rolkien Rolkien Molkien

>>25051528
Yeah, but the book that collects the three stories. They are all novella length, so they fit easily into a novel length book and it doesn't abridge anything.

The graphic novel is so-so in my opinion. If you want to read only one of them, then definitely go with the book version.

>>25053270
buy*

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>Davos felt a stab of despair. His Grace should have sent another man, a lord or knight or maester, someone who could speak for him without tripping on his own tongue. "Death," he heard himself say, "there will be death, aye. Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King's Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!"
>"Yes," piped a girl's voice, thin and high.
>It belonged to the half-grown child with the blond eyebrows and the long green braid. "They killed Lord Eddard and Lady Catelyn and King Robb," she said. "He was our king! He was brave and good, and the Freys murdered him. If Lord Stannis will avenge him, we should join Lord Stannis."
>Manderly pulled her close. "Wylla, every time you open your mouth you make me want to send you to the silent sisters."
>"I only said—"
>"We heard what you said," said the older girl, her sister. "A child's foolishness. Speak no ill of our friends of Frey. One of them will be your lord and husband soon."
>"No," the girl declared, shaking her head. "I won't. I won't ever. They killed the king."
>Lord Wyman flushed. "You will. When the appointed day arrives, you will speak your wedding vows, else you will join the silent sisters and never speak again."
>The poor girl looked stricken. "Grandfather, please …"
>"Hush, child," said Lady Leona. "You heard your lord grandfather. Hush! You know nothing."
>"I know about the promise," insisted the girl. "Maester Theomore, tell them! A thousand years before the Conquest, a promise was made, and oaths were sworn in the Wolf's Den before the old gods and the new. When we were sore beset and friendless, hounded from our homes and in peril of our lives, the wolves took us in and nourished us and protected us against our enemies. The city is built upon the land they gave us. In return we swore that we should always be their men. Stark men!"
>The maester fingered the chain about his neck. "Solemn oaths were sworn to the Starks of Winterfell, aye. But Winterfell has fallen and House Stark has been extinguished."
>"That's because they killed them all!"

So who are you predicting for the prologue and epilogue of Winds? My guesses

Prologue: Shitmouth
Epilogue: Euron or Stannis

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i love asoiaf
where is Winds?

>>25052181
>potentially

>>25054261
The Prologue is a maester wherever Jeyne Westerling is being held
The epilogue is probably gonna be some army of the dead shit, maybe Dolorous Edd watching the Wall collapse.

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I hope to god HOTD kills off Baela and Rhaena. I have no idea why George left those two alive. The whole "civil war that almost eradicated Targaryen dynasty" premise is lost when there are two fully grown Targaryens living after the war. It's much more impactful when the only survivors are two children forever traumatized by the war their parents brought (+ Viserys but he wont show up a few years later)

Baela should be taken out with Moondancer by Aegon and Sunfyre on Dragonstone.
Rhaena in canon gets married to a Hightower and has six Hightower children. Daemon's daughter becoming a green broodmare is a suitable end.

Jaehaera should be left alive. Fuck Peake performance, this is the way to go.

Aegon II's line would continue with Blackfyres in this scenario. Which actually makes it even more poetic. Every Blackfyre rebellion afterwards would be the blood of Aegon II and Rhaenyra fighting for the throne. An eternal Dance of Dragons...

Aegon II + Helaena = Jaehaera
Jaehaera + Aegon III = Daena
Daena + Aegon IV = Daemon B.

>>25038187
she told me all about how you couldn't even get it up, let alone maintain an erection.
really quite sad, anon

>>25045331
India is our Shadow Lands

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>>25054120

>>25054764
Aenys is a Velaryon bastard. Maegor was the last Targaryen king.

If I want to get into asoiaf, is fire and blood a terrible way to start?
My family is watching hotd and knight of the seven kingdoms and I wanna read them not just watch

>>25055908
It's a good way to start, chapters are short and not very in-depth but it's all Tagaryen stuff so if you don't like them I would suggest The Hedge Knight.

>>25055254
No she was actually talking about your dad. She told me about it too, I was sad for him.

>>25055487
Elaborate

>>25056148
Rhaenys was a whore who got knocked up by a Velaryon thus making Aenys a bastard. Maegor was the only trueborn Targaryen son of Aegon the Conqueror, you need only look at how hard they try to smear him to see how true it is.

>>25054261
Prologue: Jeyne Westerling
Epilogue: Edmure Tully

>>25056184
One more pink mast and I personally will dispatch Gurm to Tolkien

Aegon, Visenya, or Rhaenys?

>>25056301
visenya nigga come on

>>25030505
The ironborn mostly resemble the Norsemen inhabiting the hebrides rather than the Nords themselves

>>25034636
Irri was so fucking hot in the show

>>25056179
Both Rhaenys and Visenya sons are not Aegons. Aegon was infertile and had no children. The one most important bloodline actually doesn't descend from the idolised figurehead who conquered the continent but from his sisters

>>25057186
Tower fingers typed this post

>>25057535
I don't want HBO to adapt Aegon's Conquest for the sole fact that they will canonize this

>>25057546
It won't matter, show canon exists completely outside of book canon which George has stated several times. It can ofcourse always change considering fatass has a tendency to lie and maybe his widow will sell HBO all the rights when he croaks.

>>25057186
> The one most important bloodline actually doesn't descend from the idolised figurehead who conquered the continent
The most important bloodline descends from Brandon the builder. Targaryens don’t end up doing much in the end because subversion

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>>25057535
Misread this as
>Two Fingers wrote this post
Then I remembered not only did George write the Two Fingers but he himself types like a sperg with only two fingers thus two fingers is the word of god in ASOIAF with george and the in universe word of god in Elden Ring (written by george)
If there's any other Elden Ring fans that frequent this thread I'd love to brainstorm to see how many ideas seem to be georges.

>>25057898
>If there's any other Elden Ring fans that frequent this thread
Yeah it's full of trannies, mate

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>>25034378
GRRM embodies every negative stereotype of the baby boomers, it becomes more apparent as you read his other work and interviews over the years. The Armageddon Rag gives a lot of insight into his political and cultural opinions and they're trash.

He plays the jolly sweet man on the camera but he's really a very selfish, nasty, lazy man.

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>>25057960
>mfw nobody will ever leak the bloodmoon pilot

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>TWOW ends with Dany and Jon meeting
>ADOS opens with a fully detailed scene of jon creamping Dani's pussy

Kino ?

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>>25058385
>Kino ?
Only if it's non consensual.

>>25058236
>The Armageddon Rag gives a lot of insight into his political and cultural opinions and they're trash.
Can you give a summary of them?

>‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ is planned to span 12–15 seasons, following Dunk and Egg’s entire lives. — via Esquire
The Knight of the Slop Kingdom

>I can't tell you what the shows will be about (well, I could, but I won't), but I will tell you a couple of things they WON'T be. Which will disappoint some of you, sure, but better to do that now than later, I think.
>We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you. But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write. We all know how slow I am, and how fast a television show can move. I don't want to repeat what happened with GAME OF THRONES itself, where the show gets ahead of the books. When the day comes that I've finished telling all my tales of Dunk & Egg, then we'll do a tv show about them... but that day is still a long ways off.
>May. 14th, 2017 at 6:01 PM

> Magic is like throwing a piece of raw meat to a dangerous animal. Hoping for its favour. That animal also hates you. Or it likes to see you suffer. There is some real sinister shit going on in the primeval past. Magic is bright and colorful but dark and black underneath.

How true is this?

>>25054120
GRRM loves his based northern little girls
>The king wore lambswool breeches and a quilted doublet, yet somehow he looked as stiff and uncomfortable as if he had been clad in plate and mail. His skin was pale leather, his beard cropped so short that it might have been painted on. A fringe about his temples was all that remained of his black hair. In his hand was a parchment with a broken seal of dark green wax.
>Jon took a knee. The king frowned at him, and rattled the parchment angrily. “Rise. Tell me, who is Lyanna Mormont?”
>“One of Lady Maege’s daughters, Sire. The youngest. She was named for my lord father’s sister.”
>“To curry your lord father’s favor, I don’t doubt. I know how that game is played. How old is this wretched girl child?”
>Jon had to think a moment. “Ten. Or near enough to make no matter. Might I know how she has offended Your Grace?”
>Stannis read from the letter. “Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK. A girl of ten, you say, and she presumes to scold her lawful king.” His close-cropped beard lay like a shadow over his hollow cheeks. “See that you keep these tidings to yourself, Lord Snow. Karhold is with me, that is all the men need know. I will not have your brothers trading tales of how this child spat on me.”

>>25058784
Grrm loves little girls

>>25058498
Why is she brown

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I think George was inspired by Edgar Allen poes story “metzengerstein” for the bracken blackwood feud. The plot revolves around two rival families whose fued is so ancient that no one remembers the origin, only that it had to do with an ancient prophecy. One of the families owns stables and raise horses (the brackens). One day one of the metzengersteins (Blackwoods), their rivals, burns the stables down, and the berlifitzing (bracken) lord dies in the fire trying to save one of his favorite horses. Later, that same horse shows up to metzengerstein and he becomes strangely infatuated with it, til one day his hold catches on fire and he loses control of the horse, likely possessed by the spirit of the lord he burned, as it runs into the fire to their deaths. This would work well as an in universe story of the Blackwood bracken fued, as it’s been speculated Brackens decend from first men and might have once had the ability to warg horses so the lord would have went into the horse as his second life to take vengeance on his Blackwood killer

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>>25058654
>A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ is planned to span 12–15 seasons, following Dunk and Egg’s entire lives. — via Esquire

If this even happens, it'll be three seasons (the current one, Egg as a teen and then Egg as king) of six episodes, all in the same half hour format. HBO ain't getting 15 years out of this.

People still can't accept Bran as king when it should have been obvious from the beginning. It is crazy how all the male show watches wanted Jon and all the female watchers wanted Dany and seriously thought George was going to affirm their idealistic self-insert and make either the super duper chosen one that rules because they are the eugenics baby destined to rule them all.

>>25059920
>the super duper chosen one that rules because they are the eugenics baby
Wow you just described Bran.

>>25059598
Because most of the asoiaf art that gets circulated is made by transgenders and women who love making random characters brown, just like how they love making every nose way darker than the rest of the face.

>>25060058
i wish asoiaf attracted more serious illustrations and not just a pile of faggy tumblr doodles.
I mean even doodles can be neat I guess but not when they are fat,ugly, and some weird shade of brown.

>>25060064
It did attract more serious illustrations once, all the early illustrated books are full of amazing art, you just have to search on places other than reddit if you want the good art, most of it coming from eastern europe and asia.

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how you think their book romance will play out ?

>>25060078
>jon meets dany
>they fall for eachother
>dany finds out who jon is
>doesnt tell him
>someone ells tells him
>he no longer trusts her
>she goes crazy because faegon is welcomed in kings landing as a true targaryen
>jon kills her

>>25029429
>I’ve seen the plan for 12, 13, 14, 15, maybe, of these novellas.
Fucking piece of shit

>>25060079
I'm unironically pretty convinced that this is 100% how it's supposed to go and that's exactly why martin is so insecure about finishing the books, he's already seen how people reacted to the whole >Dany goes crazy>Jon kills her thing

>>25060089
>he's already seen how people reacted to the whole >Dany goes crazy>Jon kills her thing
The only way he can be insecure about it is if his version is close to the show version. If his version made sense based on previously established plot threads he would have nothing to fear. Him crying about it is a massive self-report unless he is actually so fucking dumb that he thinks people were angry just because Dany went mad and Bran became king devoid of context.

>"Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry"

I always thought that was how she would fall in love Jon but her hunger for the throne would end up being stronger, eventually driving her mad and forcing Jon to kill her

Galaxy brained OP of the next thread made the thread then never linked it here >>25059808

New thread:
>>25060618